[000:00:00;00] three in general, but if he has three directions of some kind, then his head can still withstand it, and there when the only boss he already has to keep in his head is 100, this is the first, if, and the second - you meant that gerasimo referred to svechenyi and triadafilov, and when i i read what they advised in 1926, then gerasimov did everything exactly the opposite, that's all that was done , all the actions of the russian army were done in such a way that i got the impression that he did not know such a surname. it's not that he read anything, but i have one last question that is important and literally one a minute if possible, it is still ukrainian nato advantages or russian stupidity who is more responsible for what is currently happening on the battlefield in ukraine, is it because the ukrainians are so smart together with the natins or is it because the russians are so

idiots that what we are now seeing with the counterattack of ukraine. i hope that it will end successfully. i think that there is more to go. i think that the russians really made many strategic mistakes, well, first of all , in assessing the capabilities of ukraine as a state and the ukrainian army in particular, but you know against of any country and which one, no matter if the western countries supported it, it is possible to build the russian army, and such a strategy , and so on. such as there were on the day of the invasion , these battalions, tactical groups, how about which everyone there was buzzing, buzzing that this is a proper word. they turned out to be incompetent in the conditions the aggression unleashed by russia began to be rebuilt along the way. that means that their military construction, strategic plans and everything else turned out to be unfeasible in the ukrainian version, and i am convinced that like any

another country next to russia would simply fall under such a blow, that is why i pay great respect to the commanding talent of ukrainian generals and the resilience of ukrainian soldiers. these are two keys . in my opinion, what stopped the aggression is the third key to our victory. of the event, both take place, and here in such a proportion, approximately as i said. the territory of internally displaced persons aged 16 to 19. thank you very much for finding time for us , and now they tell me they found time for us .

i am mr. oleg. i am glad to see you. joseph stalin once said to the pope. how many battalions or divisions does he have? bearing in mind that this is absolutely nothing on the one hand, on the other hand , he still has a billion loyalists. if, well, paying homage to this billion simply, well, you can't, if you're already in italy , don't go to the vatican, does the vatican really play an important role? well, for example , the catholic church in latin america, where ukraine does not have very, well, not very many opportunities latin america brazil is still like that. well, we are for both the whites and the reds. we are for peace in the whole world. and we don't need a war. what do you say? how important is the pope? it is necessary for zelensky

to meet with him tonight. it is important. i immediately i will start with the risk, the risk of a meeting with the pope, the lynx, the pope, is that in this way it is possible to legitimize the conversations in his team , the pontificate is meant in relation to, perhaps after this meeting, a visit to putin or with putin, because the current pontiff is a representative of his culture. he is from latin america, where let's say left-wing church ideas, revolutionary ideas are very actively presented, and in particular, which are involved very closely and densely with anti-mercantilism, i.e. counter-sending of money , anti-americanism as manifestations of imperialism on of the american continent, but it also extends here with itself , and actually this ultra-humanist position contributes to the fact that the current pope is more inclined to one-bowl scales. in the catholic

secular doctrine, there is justice and there is mercy, to put it very simply. and here he is more gravitates toward mercy, and for him, accordingly, he very often puts ukraine and russia next to each other and on an equal footing, equating, to speak in his own language, the aggressor, the criminal, and the victim of the crime, but from the point of view of such ultra-humanism, it seems to him that it hurts equally because they suffer all of these positions. of course, this can partially legitimize at least the direction of thought and speech to meet with putin. in everything else, this meeting is useful and necessary. first of all, the influence of the pope on a billion believers and if we talk about a billion in the abstract, then this is one story. if we talk, for example, about the influence in italy, then there it is a serious electoral influence and today the support of ukraine is based on the elite consensus, we are supported by the elites

above all. by the way, the italian language also reflects this, and here the role of the partificator is important for us. latin america will absolutely be influenced by the pope, especially as a native of vetel, they are serious, including political ones, because in addition to being the head of the church, he is also the head of the vatican state, and it is clear that a certain political and postus hmm, it is also represented in the pope , so it is important for us there, because in the church line , in fact, everything is better in pauline america in ukraine than the populist ones. and we have a certain diaspora there. there are certain parishes and clergy which is connected with ukraine, respectively. there we can play this card more effectively. well, the third is the global south , it is africa, and here it is also a religious factor . it is a serious factor, because in africa they put russia very seriously with the soviet legacy and already created during the times the independence of russia, the russian federation with all the myths

and so on, i would say almost comically, in one of the corridors of western, i mean western, western institutions, i heard a story that russia actively pumped in africa and they succeeded. to be honest, i laughed at the thesis about the fact that in ukraine they don't like russians, it's a sin , and we persecute them, why did they come to the conclusion that they did so because we are tearing down monuments to pushkin. african yes, i forgot about that. and he is from africa, yes. my parents were here when i i heard that well, of course everything turned upside down inside me and i let out a roar. they just don't know the situation in ukraine so badly that it 's happening in africa and there is actually a part of those on whom russia is working with this influence. they really believe

and cite it as an argument. they say, look the only thing in europe is a literary genius, russia protects a dark-skinned person, but ukraine even demolishes monuments to him, that's why the pope's influence is not political for us, but because of the religious theme of the event on politics, they are also very important for us, and the support of the pope in ukraine would be great plus a p oleg a please tell me if you imagine that there was a meeting between the pope and putin, and how much authority of the pope for putin could be such that it would force putin to at least listen and not fulfill any requests or any thoughts share share with putin a just if you were to listen to the pope, well, if you were to concentrate while thinking what putin was saying. is it such a fluctuation in the air that well , i'll meet you because he's the pope behind him , which means a billion people. well, i

'll listen, but i'll listen as if i and i don't listen. but you know, i'm torpedoing your question a little because it has two components . the first one is and who is the viewer? we have to understand that this whole story is happening before the eyes of the world and , above all, the global south, in which the battle of these narratives of the essenes is going on. therefore uh no it is important that putin hears or does not hear, it is important that what the pope says or goes to putin will see the world and see these countries and where it is applied that it is necessary to sit at the table and simply find peace without punishing criminals without stopping crimes, etc. and because these ultra humanistic ideas they are based on what is peace at any price, and for some reason i always think that ukraine must pay this price at any price , well, it is convenient when i pay this price, someone else pays it, no one thinks about that. and what price do we have to pay if they declare that she any, and i’m not talking about the fact that for some reason it is considered that russia is paying this price

because they will not get it. well, they won’t capture it yet , for example, and ukraine has to pay this price because ukraine loses, well, that’s what it is, and that’s why it’s important here that such a visit is is useless by its very fact and can be used actively by russia later , and the second part is that ah. is the problem that putin is listening but not that he is ready to hear someone? i very much doubt that today there is no problem with this need even to convince in something putin is already trapped, he gave his fate to the war and now the war actually controls him. he lost his opportunities, he gave his fate to the hands of the war, and now it is determined by how the war will end, whether he can take it now to end it, i doubt it very much, because the regime will simply crumble. he understands that, therefore, to this day , there is no way back and forth as such. therefore , what the pope will say to him, even if putin

listens to him, even if he takes notes with a pencil and does it, does not matter much. will help and it will not be able to stop the war, but the situation is already developing in a slightly different plane, and putin himself in this case simply has to come to terms, or he saves russia and lets himself go later, or he saves himself and then lets russia go under his feet, and we see that now he very much wants to save yourself, mr. oleg, that is, i understand correctly , please give a short answer. putin is not a player, he already is. how is this a fool ? understood moreover, he thought that he was not a player, but he was on the hook. and now he is already in the fight , he absolutely agrees, he is no longer a factor. one more question , maybe even several very important questions. i and

everyone who is interested in politics around ukrainian are definitely looking at turkey . who will win, the opposition or the authorities how do you imagine it to what extent well, because it can fundamentally change politics and the political system itself in this regard in turkey, and in turkey it will obviously play a role not only during the war and after it ends, but if i have it for the people and i say it can't be for you, having such a phenomenal construction potential, the last 20 years, by the way, not everything was built very well, as it turned out after the earthquake, but all these hotels appeared in my memory, i remember how they were not there and that means they will come here, these huge companies will rebuild ukraine. that is, it must be interesting for everyone who wins the election, at least they really want a small one. a remark on the previous question was sounded like putin in general, there is no longer

an apartment, of course yes, but putin, politically, as a subject, he is a hostage of this image he still is therefore, collective putin remains for now and this is a problem regarding turkey. everything is leading to the fact that, judging by this, the winning position , but the situation is very unstable and therefore , for the time being, i would refrain from saying for sure that one or the other will win, let's see, plus there is a probability that there may be a second round and then we will find out in general on june 18, although the last days show that the opposition candidate really started to gain stronger ratings and erdogan to lose, and accordingly there are chances that the situation will be determined in the first round as well, and who will win these elections, ukraine will win because for us both options are actually quite good, we understand this and it has all its disadvantages, but nevertheless it is absolutely predictable for us, and the opposition goes with erdogan's slogans about european ones and falls

into exactly the same situation as the weakened turkish economy recovery needs first of all my turkey money for recovery after the earthquake and therefore this money can only be found in the west chinese money it is toxic russian money is simply poisonous accordingly, only the west, therefore, greater solidarity of turkey with the west and integration after these elections will take place regardless of whether it is the opposition or erdogan from the opposition, most likely this will happen faster for ukraine, this is a plus and turkey will remain a friendly partner country for us in any case but can we? well, this is probably the last question for the experts, mr. oleg. how can we really think that this will be the transformation of turkey back into a parliamentary-presidential republic?

turkey's policy regarding syria regarding azerbaijan, but if possible, there will be literally a moment of sharp movements, there will be no changes, but not a sharp one, two , something else is important for ukraine, then i will briefly throw it in advance. a peaceful transfer of power in turkey can be a good example of how it happens in a country that fought in to a country whose moods are so wild, etc., including for us. okay, thank you, it's very easy, but the political scientist is the head of the platform, the only coordination center is called the platform, and we will fly from turkey to china now. and who do we pay with? artur and artur khariton, the president of the public association of the liberal democratic league of ukraine, an expert on far eastern politics, will be with us for the next 15 minutes, and you can feel something chinese, because behind some plants are so beautiful, it's obvious that it's somehow this hlo- clap yes clap no it's not

cotton is the ukrainian truth. i understand, i understand, okay, so what will the special representative of siezenpin bring to europe, ukraine, poland, france, germany and the russian federation, what is he? where will he push these countries? where will he push? ukraine as much as possible, in general, when everything has already been used in europe, in my opinion, in the last year and two months or three and already if i thought well, it is very difficult here , for example, to sit zelenskyi at the negotiating table with putin well, i simply do not see options to say agree with germany that she said no we will not we have decided now not to supply leopards we will not supply leopards we will supply 19th century rifles and so on and so on that is how much is this dynamic situation

today and can it be moved by the chinese initiatives definitely not definitely that this decision is on the side of russia on the side of the russians because we understand that this special envoy is not a russian envoy, we should not think that he is some chinese because we have seen him and the embassy for almost 10 years in russia and of course it succeeds he will try to push narratives that you can't push the russians, he will go to france to germany, but probably the door is still open to the ears, except for macron, who will listen and give compliments, but in the end he will act within the limits of european interests of european security, so i think that these negotiations on the part of china are not promising, we should not count on them at all. and actually we will simply hear a repetition of the birth of jinping about the chinese peace plan, which ukraine has already announced as something that does not suit us, but mr.

arthur, then i understand correctly that in the dry balance, this is all this trip of the trinity to minimize the loss of russia and not to gain any other advantages. this envoy of china just can. well, there he somehow says well, let's go, you already accepted it, the 11th package of sanctions, let's go with the 12th don't accept it or let's make it so short, let's do it somehow well, if you are already supplying, well, let's tell the ukrainians , let's give 250 km or 300 km, more than 300 miles , you won't give missiles, that is, it's not about helping russia, it's about minimizing russia's losses, yes, i understood correctly no, it is also about helping russia diplomatically and about minimization, of course that is so, that is, china will try in a certain way

to make up these corners, will try to advance certain theses regarding certain restrictions and will play along with those destructive forces in europe who forget that they are offering ukraine negotiations because we have already heard from the government of ukraine that you are the so-called peacekeepers who are engaged in this so-called peacekeeping and really want ukraine to go communicate with the kremlin as soon as possible under any conditions, but of course that will not happen ukraine will be remade with all sides, except for ukrainian conditions, and we understand that, but the chinese will make this destructive because china really wants to see europe not united, weak and such that it will play along with the communist parties of china and russia but i am sure that he will simply lose very quickly in these processes, another question is more philosophical, such a philosophical one, look at one of the russian very important narratives, the russians

always suggest that there are no borders, the border ends where the russian language ends, as they say, and now they don't have any borders in ukraine, no one knows where the border of the russian federation is. is it kherson or is it rostov, but it could be a bad joke, and actually my question here is that bad joke when one of the parties to the international activity says we have no borders, then this may also apply to the border between the russian federation and china. well, if there are no borders, then china can easily, given the doctrine that there are no borders of russia, to say. and this is not your border, the domansky island, which passed there in 1968

and he still studied at school, a little yes and that is, there, in addition to domansky, there is also there, as the americans say, milesen miles, it’s hundreds of miles of no-man’s land, as far as this is concerned, my version is that they will not climb into siberia. in it, the most important thing for them is the south, not the north. and also what is your version, is it really possible to think that the people's republic of china will gradually incorporate the northern lands of today's russian federation into itself, the cheapness is so very small, this mythology is not planning to take over russia, just as russia is not planning to take over china, and here you can generally go to the russian doctrine in they had a so-called project, and russia lived since the time of the tsarist, and in fact they promoted it, there was the thesis that the chinese in russia and the russians are the same, they are brothers. well, actually, they will always be together as far as the russians are concerned

territories what can be expected at the moment yes, it is probably the integration of the economy - it is certain concessions, but these compensations are small, it is not about the territory plus australia and it is about certain cities of a certain territory where natural resources and the way from china to the arctic will be sought because at the expense of russian territories and currently positions itself as practically a state with no relation to the arctic. in fact, we saw literally two or three weeks ago the appearance of the chinese in murmansk, who are already preparing to build there ports, i.e. in asia and europe, they everywhere want to have access to the arctic for war with the united states and nato. of course, in the future and control over resources, trade is worth expecting, waiting for the chinese army to come and capture some irkutsk there. no, this will not happen. it is not planned at the moment, because russian statehood is beneficial to the chinese in the form in which it exists as a certain vassal they do not need their own power , but a vassal they are absolutely satisfied

, see if i understood correctly that if the incorporation, as you say, is partial and can even not so much russian land, it is in the people's republic of china, this is not a state policy, but the state will encourage businessmen, travel companies, if we give loans , some concessions, etc. there are simply no other tourists there, well, there are no fools to go to baikal across the whole of russia or across half of asia, and there are simply solid chinese who do not encourage them, if officially and they say well, if you if you build a hotel there, then we don’t mind. if there is not enough money, we can add it there under a preferential loan . this is what is meant. yes, there are some points like this. actually, this is about the fact that this economic factor is a certain integration of the russian economy into

the chinese economy. on the contrary, a-a it was a union of countries, they generally now do everything that coexisted in this country, uh, together, maybe sooner or later. here we see not a pact between the cats and russia , because everything goes to that, but it will not be the entry of novak into the territory of russia, it will be indeed, there are some hotel concessions, chinese citizens but also russian citizens will be in china, we see that the head of sberbank has gone on a business trip to the prc to open hundreds of branches there , well, roughly speaking, and in general to transfer the russian banking system to china, and the financial machine of russia now completely depends on the yuan, everything is ionized, that is, these the processes are going on and sooner or later we will see from the faces of these countries, but this will not be a story about the fact that china will in any way join in the destruction of russian statehood, that is, under any

circumstances and is disadvantageous in ukraine, one more question: is it possible to have already been born somewhere on the territory of the united states, such a scumbag newbie who suddenly climbs into his suitcase , flies to beijing in this suitcase, gets out of the suitcase, goes to maus zadun, and six months later the american president will come there, and it will already be an anti-russian alliance which we i personally remember between the united states and china he was not so close but at least in that he was anti-soviet he they were close they were still antagonists treated each other badly but in this area of ​​the struggle against the ussr, they were the only ones, this is possible. well, everything is possible in this world, but the old man has not yet died. and in fact, everyone is waiting for this era to pass because of course some engineer - this is an extremely toxic personality, an enemy of the free world who cool gave rise to the current situation

, that is, not far-sightedness, but they also have bad advisers, she sent them to what we have. this one is a little crazy, children, so i hope that i won’t be such an angel again. i see that the american doctrine has been completely changed to a confrontation with the prc, systemic , multi-level , and hardly anything. the disease is still going on, but we can see that you touched the disease now, it means the rise of china and the americans with their own hands , together with the european ones, made themselves an enemy . well, okay, a competitor. if it's so soft and the enemy , they directly say that the enemies are also help

russia is a business from the south, buying kisses, rebooting, all this in the world , they made another enemy called the russian federation, just this moment. what do you think from the philosophical and psychological point of view , it ends ? the rest that lead to wars and to competition and well , what we are observing now. i think that it is possible already, well , somehow already. there is a visibility, it is not just some kind of abstraction, it is a visible war of russia against ukraine. will this disease end? ever and can it already end? it ends. ukraine is very involved in order to kill all this fashion from the heads of our allies, because there is a lot of this nonsense , we have seen a lot of talk about russia, pro-russian mysterious soul about the poor chinese and it can be listed and

indeed, this understanding passes fortunately. we have many allies in central eastern europe , that is, easy on the part of the czech republic, slovakia, and the baltic countries, you can list them, and actually together , we will of course beat this nonsense, and i hope what is the next milestone in world development after the victory of ukraine , after the overthrow of the people in these prisons? they are creating , well

, the truth is, on the ground, if the american in the tibetans, others in a new way. how far can you imagine a china that will not put pressure on the uyghurs, the chinese are chauvinists, many people who lived in the territory, what energy had to do with them , say that it is probably the most similar to the nazi german state in its philosophy, even if even it which and they are not only carrying out physical cultural genocide, that is , they are destroying the language of the culture of traditions. its history repeatedly and there are truly revealing cases such as east torquay where absenteeism still occurs today hong kong hong kong which was never china british hong kong with a western democratic mentality which is violently turning into china and actually there is a great fear that the next generation

of hongkongers will be exactly the cantonese language which is not a chinese tarka language because their culture is being knocked out because it is knocking out these days of tradition and what is most important is the tradition of freedom because china believes that freedom and democracy are disease and as the prc pushed france calls in general in the same, that is, the taiwanese have already transferred from democracy , that is, i would say that there is currently no possibility that they will coexist in the same country with these states and i hope that i am very sorry, mr. artur, i can’t just not give people have the opportunity to listen to the news performed by the charming iryna koval, so watch the news on espresso, iryna will tell you about it. thank you, mr. mykola, i will tell you about the situation in ukraine in the world