[000:00:00;00] er, you are an experienced diplomat, you know that this is a somewhat unprecedented situation when the ambassador of a large country returns to the ministry of foreign affairs and literally a few months after he returns and receives the position of deputy minister, he is appointed to another large country. what happened in ukrainian-brazilian relations, what was needed to quickly appoint as an ambassador a person at the level of deputy ministers, violating all these norms of staying in the country. thank you for your question, i don't know, maybe we should start with congratulations, but it is more important to understand why than to congratulate, congratulations after the answer well, first of all, there is nothing to talk about yet, because as you know, in the diplomatic practice of an agroman , it is only one of many stages on the way to the appointment to the position of ambassador, so i

would not even it is to comment, because first of all, only when the decision of the president has been made. that is, consent to the appointment of the ambassador of another country, they did it in relation to ukraine . similarly, and that is why it naturally caused a very big resonance for me, the important thing is that america, this central america is a region that is extremely important in all respects , we felt it especially since the first days of the war, when every vote of the un assembly was worth its weight in gold. and we actually stated for ourselves that a number of these countries have their own views on aggression against russia and

ukraine, and here we literally had to bite the bullet to gnaw those votes is the support of the un in order to have well, during the last resolution, it was this february, february 23, 141 votes ago . this region is interesting, which i have taken care of since returning to kyiv from berlin last november. and it is really interesting because it is not only in the political sense, the same and from the point of view of the economy well, we are this region eh well, this can be said not diplomatically, we overslept what happened in this region during the last not even years, but tens of eh years if we compare the economic weight of its for example with the european union is our biggest trading partner , thank god, the difference is not that big, the european union

is somewhere well, a little less than 18 trillion euros , the combined gdp if we take 33 countries of latin america alone, then it is nine billion. that is, we we see, mr. andrii gives money, but the countries of latin america are usually taken, well, look, this is not the case. this is clear , that is, in 30-odd years, the restoration of our independence, well, it’s not that we waved our hands, but we openly ignored these states . that is, this is a fact, but let’s go construct then our conversation, you met the adviser to the president of brazil, sel samarin, he had talks with president zelensky about these talks, what was known about these talks, it is obvious that this is correct, when the adviser to the president of brazil met with the president of russia, they also did not report practically anything, but still you can some vector these conversations should be drawn after all these statements of president alula, who said that it is necessary for the issue of the end

of the war to be resolved somewhere in the middle, but i want to understand where this middle always interests me in politicians, when they talk about the middle ground, where to find it, did you understand it, maybe you just talked to him in a purely professional way. well, of course. well, first of all, it was important that the chief diplomatic adviser of the president of brazil, lula, arrived in kyiv, because really , at least before that, we organized phone conversations with the leadership of the office with the dnipro people of our president since the inauguration of president lula in january of this year, but it was important that lula sent his special representative and a selfie at his level who was in kyiv this week, it's not easy. well, you know, there's some adviser there, he's largely the alter ego of the head of the brazilian state, he's a person who

's been with him for many, many 10 years, they're like-minded members of the same party, and that's why it's more than only you are a holiday in our understanding of this word, that is why it was important that he came, it was important that he was received by the president and that the president listened to him , of course, in the ministry of foreign affairs, we also had a conversation based on two main elements, this is a formula for possible mediation the formula on which can be based on the role of brazil in stopping russian aggression, this was of course in the center of attention. well, the second bloc, which is of the greatest importance to me personally, is the fact that our bilateral relations, which, by the way, during the time of the president, when he was the head of state during the second term in in 2009, he was in kyiv, and during this visit

a declaration was signed on the transfer of our relations to the level of strategic. well, in recent years , unfortunately, they did not confirm this thesis, and therefore we have the ambition that these relations will be truly after this well, after many electrocutions that we have felt and seen and where we have also largely seen that we missed this historical moment, we now want to return to a possible mediating role all of lula's depredators were here to listen to us, to listen to the president, to hear first-hand, without, as they say, any repeaters , directly, this conversation lasted almost an hour, and was very, very frank, very very sincere,

so that's how lula's adviser and literally through there, a few minutes after the conversation, he called luula's president in brazil and reported on the results. he just felt the impossibility of any compromise options that were hinted at in the press before that, during various statements, you and i have all heard them and uh the ministry of foreign affairs and even the president's office commented on it quite critically, eh. in this way, the president had his team lied to him, and the president's adviser was not himself, it was five key diplomats who came here from brazil to kyiv. they now understand well, let's put it this way, which basic conditions of ukraine in general, i am ready to talk about any mediation, not only possible mediation by brazilians, but also by other countries, you and i have heard about it more than once in the press, the main message

was that only on the basis of the resolution that i mentioned to the general assembly the un on february 23 of this year, which is largely based on the peace formula of our president, we can talk about any other ways of practical stopping the war and all the resolutions, all the formulas . as you know, the key elements for us were and will remain this diversion of russian troops and the actual liberation of the territory of ukraine, the restoration of our sovereignty within the internationally recognized borders. that is, it was, if we start , he was, well, marimeshko. that is, his mission was to a greater extent, to listen to us first-hand , because there was a telephone conversation between the two leaders and you do you remember sometime back in march, that was also important, but almost two months have passed since then, and that's why he listened

to you right away, well, i'll reveal a secret that at least as of today, as of the moment of this visit, in our brazilian i don't have any friends, i don't have any, you know, a specific plan of the peace plan. well, if we compare there, we can take the minsk agreements, that is, it's a very painful precedent for us, but it's a plan that consisted of a number of specific points in a certain sequence that we wanted called not to supply weapons to ukraine in order to end the war. this is a very serious statement. do you think there are opportunities to change this position? well, everything is in order. look at us first. that is, we are now at such a very, very important , very, very initial stage when it is necessary in general, to hear each other, to understand, to establish well, a certain minimum of trust, uh, because without it, you can have any conversations, especially

regarding the mediation role . you understand, well, it will be difficult, because who are the mediators ? regarding brazil well, here we can talk about it with a stretch, in principle , after this visit, especially here is the second point, which is no less important. but without it , no mission will be doomed to failure. mediator to influence the parties in this war or armed conflict in order to really achieve a result, for us it can only be the cessation of aggression and the withdrawal of russian troops, therefore , returning to the issue of weapons, it is, of course, painful for us and we did not hide it because brazil is positioning itself and, well, something similar, as it was even with

germany the day before. and by the way, in the first days , even weeks of a large-scale war , it took a neutral position. the so-called principle of non-intervention in conflicts that take place outside the borders of this state, and therefore, as of now , this is a question. let's say this is the task facing our diplomacy. now, for us, the committee that society in brazil and just a few days ago very interesting sociological polls of the brazilian brazilian public were published and they, in principle

, testify to a large extent that in brazil among the public there is a clear understanding of who is to blame for this war, i.e. russian propaganda is of course influential and the russians have been and will be very active in brazil in this region, but 62% of brazilians answered positively to the question that russia is to blame for starting the war and only 17% said that western countries and nato in particular are to blame for this . germany has an example, because for me this country is very close to this answer . nato owes the germans among germans, the whole figure is 21%. in many other ways, we see, in principle, good prerequisites that the public opinion of the whole state is not, it is not like that, which, let's say, is contrary to our interests, when there is no one at all and the desire to understand us

, of course the government will make the decision, and you know that the president himself luga, he has repeatedly stated during the last months since taking office that brazil will not supply weapons, not even ammunition , and we really needed ammunition in particular, for the german cheetah anti-aircraft guns that we received thank god from our german friends, that's why we are starting a frank dialogue here, there are no inflated expectations and you know some illusions , because the state of brazil considers itself to be a big, big country a large nation not only in terms of area, not only in terms of economic potential, i will remind you that it is 1.8 trillion dollars of gdp. that is, it is a player who is gradually returning to the international arena after such a certain period of turbulence

, enough times of gift and predecessors. and that is why we we must take this as an ambition, take it seriously. we do it, we have such a different kind of patience, i would call it in relation to brazilians in order to understand. and if there is, it will be possible to achieve this intermediate goal . when somewhere before that, when we approach this moment, then then i think, well, it will certainly be a plus for everyone. ukraine will be able to end the war and that is why we are very open here. and brazil will demonstrate that it deserves a much more important role as a major global player and thus the situation will be so that that is why we are not starting from a clean slate but to a large extent almost from zero and i believe that we can only get an additional certain positive in all respects and from the point of view of political support because brazil, thank god

, supported us during of the entire war during the last almost 15 months at the un regarding arms sanctions regarding other elements here for us well the unfinished business is true please tell me if you mentioned a sociological survey in germany you are not concerned that in german attitudes are changing, until recently they were supporters of ukraine joining nato, they did not believe in the possibility of russian-ukrainian negotiations, now all this is changing, and very quickly . there is also a very fundamental process taking place in germany. that is, its completion is not yet in sight. germany is a country that you know very well. vitaly

, who is very conservative. i mean not only by politicians, not only political elites, but first of all society, and therefore any change, especially a change , is a radical reversal . if you compare it with the time before the moment of large-scale aggression and the first days of the week, even a month. if you want, then today. well, this is the land. the germans announced on the eve of our president's arrival in germany a new large package of military aid, amounting to 2.7 billion euros. it's really important if you remember what happened 14 months ago , then the issue of helmets and the issue of course worked, what worked more was dasha's diplomacy, did our army force germany to change its position, well

, it was a symbiosis. of course, what worked the most, well, well resistance, resistance of ukrainians and reluctance to allow a new occupation and loss of statehood. i think this was the main factor , and here, of course, the armed forces played a role. ours european friends and even american friends, she was very skeptical. remember, we were given from a few hours to a few days there. well, a maximum of a week, and that's why it 's the main element of diplomacy. er diplomacy er was able to er use this most important argument, i.e. the desire of ukrainians to fight at any cost and for the desire to go to er to rotten some compromises or surrender er or

surrender territory there in exchange for some there potential peace is that, that's it, too, i think the contribution was important in order to convince the german government that it was worth changing from the anti-tank weapons there, which we were given in the first week of the war, it was 1 fausti armor for 500 slingers, and then the germans put it all on hold, then for several weeks in a row, the germans thought, well, we crossed over, so to speak, through this red, we made this summer quantum leap, well, in their understanding, not in ours, and now until now, let's be ukrainians , defend ourselves, so that it would be ridiculous. that's why this process was not easy, and i think that our diplomacy is what it is, it is what it is, it has encouraged such uh, first of all, the political elite thanks to the uh role and the opposition that was then and now it is the hdsm party, former chancellor merkel and thanks to the mass media, thanks to expert circles we

managed to create such a well, pro-ukrainian coalition in german society in order for this pressure, political pressure, media pressure, public pressure on the scholz of the scholz-chancellor and on his government, it grew, and then we gradually moved to heavy weapons and now today he shows well, this logic it works. but again, is this enough? this is the question, to which the answer, in my opinion, remains negative, because even if we take the aid that has been provided so far, that is, until today, it is somewhere around 3 million 3 billion euros from germany plus the current aid is a lot indeed, it is, well, that is, germany is now one of the three largest allies of ours, but even this is not enough, especially if we take into account the types of weapons, the types of weapons that we need, and it is not only about the planes that we require, because the f16 is how you know it

the most optimal option and our military wanted to see exactly this plane, they were the most produced in the world, about four thousand units, and therefore there is really the largest maneuver, but if you take the european one of our friends and partners, i mean germany, great britain, italy, france, spain, not france is four states that have at their disposal about 500 aircraft , also state-of-the-art aircraft, the eurofighter typhoon , germany has about 138 aircraft, britain has up to 190, that is, if germany crossed the first to cross this red line without waiting for a green light from washington, as was the case with e-tanks, zoopards, and other weapons of the past months, so i think this was what the ukrainians are expecting, first of all, our army, because if even 10% of these weapons are of these euro fighters that are in service those countries handed over to us and started training

earlier. that is, it really helped our armed forces to more successfully prepare and carry out the counter. thank you very much mr. andriy andrii melnyk, deputy minister of foreign affairs of ukraine , ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary we are moving on to the elections in turkey , mustafa zader, a journalist, a public figure. in recent years, if you compare even with the elections that were held in 2018 , the situation is now very tense. that is, in the sense that the two blocs are criticizing each other, that is, the people are a little tense, that is, they are needed. only a small light, so that something only happened, it is possible, too, who in your

opinion has the best chances today, after all, the reggae and kemalyaks have a good chance well, of course, there are different versions, there is a different questionnaire. questionnaires, you can still say that you are ahead , but you still can't say that a specific party can win or that a group can win, because they are almost equal, so you can even say that these questionnaires that show the numbers are right ahead, there is a maximum difference one and a half or two percent, and one should not forget about the third candidate, the results of which also slightly affect the overall result, because in order to win if the elections are held in the first round, it is necessary to pass the 50% threshold, and it is not so easy in this situation because everyone the candidate has both pros and cons, regardless of the economic situation that affects

these elections the most, people pay attention to the foreign policy of the candidate, to the domestic policy of their allies , because it will affect the future in general countries and these elections are possible, we know that the results of these elections will affect not only turkey itself, but also the region because the foreign policy of the main candidates can be said to be 180% different degrees differ from friend to friend and who do you think is better for turkey now for regions in general are still erdoğan, who is stable, but not clear-cut with some dictatorial blunders, or eh killage is expensive , who still promises a more western

policy, then i think that for regions in general for your policy that is being conducted in turkey, it is at least possible for one more term , so that i, dogan, will stay because there are projects that need to be completed, there are internal and external projects, if it is even said that there are grains out there the draft grain agreement and so on, i think that for the region as a whole and for azerbaijan and for other neighboring states, eh , eh , this is more gnawed in this plan. -е completely to the west, that is, according to his last speeches, according to his statement, according to his statements it is openly clear to all of his allies that he will turn more to the west, and we must remember his last reply on twitter , in which he warned the russians about something to russia so that

they would not interfere in the elections in turkey it can have a very negative impact on their future relations. that is, if we talk about relations with ukraine , then i think that there will be no strong changes because turkey here has declared its neutrality, that is, at the moment, turkey recognizes the occupied the occupation of the territory of turkey and this is confirmed by the territory of ukraine, the crimea and other territories, and the whole position and all other parties are also unanimous on this issue , that is, but in terms of relations with the west , of course, the west is more beneficial and tell me, don't you think that the democratization of turkey is at the same time the road to the democratization of azerbaijan, and in general, these are the regions in the post-soviet space, and by and large, if there is an authoritarian ruler and an authoritarian styler

the ruler in baku and the authoritarian ruler in moscow, then here i would say that the azerbaijani people, for example, find themselves in a trap from which there is no way out. you know that your site , patriots, practically, we say that it is in the same century as heydar aliyev, practically from the day when gaidaroliv became the president of azerbaijan, they organize parties from the decisions of their own country, the azerbaijani people will be a participant in the construction of their own state if they speak honestly and understand the exchange rate first democracies in our countries in the region and in turkey itself, it is also ambiguous, and secondly, it is necessary to take into account the current state of affairs that exists in this plan, the issues of karabakh are incomplete , these projects are related to karabakh for the indizer corridor so on, the way to turkey, and so on, this kind of project is for the benefit of the region, and in these projects , after all

, turkey is the most important locomotive. er, turkey is profitable for the saldogan of azerbaijan, that is, in azerbaijan at the moment there is a stable leadership of a stable system that conducts er, a full-fledged fruitful dialogue with turkey, conducts large-scale projects and regarding relations with azerbaijan, and showed its new project er and called it a project you can say that your life is the dream of your life, and he called it a dear turk, that is, a turkic dear, but in this project he did not specify azerbaijan, which freed a lot of people. how would you say that it is a sick place, such a native place, and a sick place because in the 90s, turkey could not provide such support to azerbaijan, which is now being rendered. and therefore, in this regard , azerbaijan also criticizes the thumb king, and the internal population, that is

a voter who is not indifferent to azerbaijan, they do not support his party, and on the one hand we see eldogan, who has already started these projects for the oniazur corridor, supported azerbaijan in the war with armenia, helped to liberate its territories, that is, it is necessary to watch from from the point of view of this conjuncture, that is, at the moment, in azerbaijan there is a system, there is stability, and a full-fledged project is underway, that is , in this regard , it is beneficial for azerbaijan. uh, the wars of ukraine and russia, what about the grain agreement, and the exchange of prisoners of crimea, of course. and if his opponent wins, won't he be too busy

with domestic politics? turkey, in relation to russia, the russian-ukrainian war , it can be said that they will visit equally, that is, no one . that this is really a very good approach to this question , that we were neutral, that we recognize the territory of ukraine that was occupied by russia , and i think that there will be strong changes, that is if you watch from the point of view of ukraine, i think that even for ukraine, for ukraine it will be even better. that is, if he comes to power in stari, that is, he has relations with europe , and so on. such honest relations, and there are even speculations

that he can join all kinds of sanctions against russia, and so on. you say that they are a boy’s position. he wants to develop relations with russia of the same type that it is understandable to ukraine , they have the same position, but precisely in terms of the fact that now russia is acting as a basselnik. that is, if we are talking about the grain deal, that is the deal will not be stretched so easily because this deal was made under the auspices of the un and the deal was made not only for the benefit of some specific countries of some specific two or