[000:00:00;00] he will do it from the right point of view, he will try to hold on to the flint, but perfectly aware that it is practically impossible, especially in the direction of zaporozhye and kherson. of foreign affairs of ukraine ordinary plenipotentiary ambassador congratulations mr. andrii congratulations to you mr. andrii i congratulate you mr. congratulations immediately just before our meeting it was announced that we had received an agronomist for the position of ambassador of ukraine in brazil, you, as an experienced diplomat, know that this is a somewhat unprecedented situation when the ambassador of a large country returns to the ministry

of foreign affairs and literally a few months after he returns and receives the position of deputy minister , other large countries are also appointed to the post, what happened in ukrainian - in brazilian relations , it was necessary to quickly appoint a person at the level of deputy minister as an ambassador, violating all these norms of staying in the country. thank you for your question , i don't know, maybe i should start with congratulations, but it is more important to understand why than to congratulate, congratulations after the answer. well, first of all, there is nothing to talk about yet, because as you know, in the diplomatic practice of an agroman, it is only one of many stages on the way to the appointment to the position of ambassador, so i don't even want

to to comment because uh, first of all, only when the decision of the president has been made. the appointment of the ambassador of another country, they did it in relation to ukraine . similarly, and that is why it naturally caused a very big resonance . for me, it is important that today and well, it is possible that if this decision of the president is really adopted, then brazil remains in the field . of my attention, and this is not only brazil, but this latin america, this central america - this is a region that is extremely important in all respects, we felt it especially since the first days of the war when every vote cast by the un was gold.

cited that a number of these countries have their own view on aggression against russia and ukraine, and here they literally had to gnaw out those votes with their teeth in order to have the support of the un. well, during the last resolution, it was this february, february 23, 141 votes ago this is an interesting region that i have been taking care of since returning to kyiv from berlin last november. and it is really interesting , because it is also politically interesting. from the point of view of the economy. well , we are this region. they slept through what happened in this region during the last few years, not even tens of years. if you compare its economic weight with, for example, the european union , which is our largest trading partner , thank god, then the difference is not so

great, the european union - it's somewhere well, a little less than 18 trillion in america, then it's nine billion . that is, we see that there is already money, mr. andriy, but the countries of latin america , as a rule, are taken, well, look, it's not like that. of our independence, we didn't just wave our hands, we openly ignored it, the state is a factor. let's state our conversation then. you met the adviser to the president of brazil, sel samarin. he had talks with president zelensky about these talks . what is known about these talks is obvious. that's right, when the adviser to the president of brazil met with the president of russia, they also did not report almost anything, but still, you can draw a vector of these conversations after all these

statements of the president alula, who said that it was necessary so that the issue of the end of the war would be resolved somewhere in the middle, i want to understand where this middle ground is, i am always interested in politicians when they talk about the middle ground, where to find it, did you understand it, maybe you just talked to him in a purely professional manner well, of course well, first of all, it was important that the chief diplomatic adviser of the president of brazil lula arrived in kyiv because really, at least before that, we organized telephone conversations with the office management with the dnipro people of our president, since the inauguration of president lula in january of this year, but it was it is important that luula sent his special representative and a selfie in his level, who was in kyiv this week, it’s not easy. well , you know, there is some adviser, this is, to a large extent , the alter ego of the head of the brazilian state

, this is a person who has been for many, many 10 years. i was with him, they are like-minded members of the party and that is why it is more than just a holiday in our understanding of this word, that is why it was important that he came, it was important that he was received by the president and the students listened to him. a conversation that was based on two main elements, this is a formula for possible mediation, a formula on which the role of brazil in stopping russian aggression can be based , of course, it was in the center of attention. well, the second block, which is of the greatest importance to me personally, is that our bilateral relations, which by the way during the time of president lula, when he was the head of state during the second term in 2009, he was in kyiv, and during this visit

a declaration was made on the transfer of our relations to the level of strategic ones. in recent years, unfortunately, they have not confirmed this thesis, and that is why we have the ambition that these relations are truly to a possible mediating role, i immediately eh well, i can say that the main goal, the main goal of all marim debradnyka lula here was to listen to us , to listen to the president, and to hear firsthand without, as they say, any repeaters there, eh directly, this conversation lasted well, almost an hour and was very, so frank, very, very sincere

, eh. in this way, lula's advisor and literally a few minutes after the conversation, he called the president of lula in brazil and reported on the results, he just felt, well, the impossibility of these eh- some compromise options that were hinted at in the press before that during various statements, you and i all heard them, and the ministry of foreign affairs and even the president's office commented quite critically. thus, the president had his team the president's adviser was not sam, it was five key diplomats who came here from brazil to kyiv . they now understand. well, let's put it this way. on what basic conditions is ukraine ready to talk about any mediation ? the same with you more than once. we heard in the press that the main message

was that only on the basis of the resolution of which i mentioned the genasom of the un legion on february 23 of this year, which is largely based on the peace formula of our president, we can talk about any other ways, practical cessation of war and all resolutions, all formulas. as you know, the key elements for us were and will remain the withdrawal of russian troops and the actual liberation of the territory of ukraine, the restoration of our sovereignty within internationally recognized borders that is, it was a year, let's start, but that's all marimeshko. that is, his mission was to a greater extent to listen to us firsthand , because there was a telephone conversation between the two leaders , and you remember. sometime back in march. that's it. it was also important, but almost two months have passed since

then, and that's why he listened. i'll tell you a secret right away, that at least as of today , as of this visit, our brazilian friends do not have any specific, you know, peace plan plan. well, if you compare we can take the minsk agreements, yes, that is, it is a very painful precedent for us, but it is a plan that consisted of a number of specific points of a certain sequence, which we will call for weapons not for ukraine. to end the war, this is a very serious statement. what do you think? do you think there are opportunities to change this position? well, everything is in order, see we first. that is, we are now at such a very, very important , very, very initial stage, when it is necessary to generally hear each other, to understand , to establish a certain minimum of trust, and because without this, we can have any conversations, especially regarding mediator role

, as you understand it, well, it will be difficult, because who are mediators? of this visit, especially. here is the second point, which is no less important. but without it, no mission will be doomed to failure. this is the ability of the diplomacy of the intermediary country to influence the parties in this war or armed conflict in order to really achieve the result of which for us can only be the cessation of aggression and the withdrawal of russian troops, therefore, returning to the issue of weapons, it is of course painful for us, and we did not hide it, because brazil is positioning itself and

, well, something like that was even with germany the day before and by the way, in the first days and even weeks of a large-scale war, it took such a neutral position. well, when even the constitution of brazil enshrines the so-called principle of non-interference in conflicts that take place outside the borders of this state and therefore for now, this is the question. it is, well, not even at the zero point. and it is, well, in such a deep negative. is it possible to do something ? well, this is the question. let's say this is the task facing our diplomacy. it is important for us that the society in brazil and very interesting sociological polls of the brazilian public were published just the other day, and they in principle testify to the fact that in brazil there is a clear

understanding among the public of who is to blame for this war , that is, russian propaganda, of course the russians have been and will be very active in brazil in this region, but 62% of brazilians answered positively to the question that russia was to blame for the outbreak of the war. and only 17% said that western countries and nato, in particular, germany, are to blame for this. i have a reason example, because for me this country is very close to this answer they gave this question they gave an answer yes 21%, i.e. 17% of brazilians believe that nato is to blame for the germans among germans the whole figure is 21%. in many other ways, we can see that in principle there are good prerequisites that the public opinion of the whole state is not like that. it is, let's say, contrary to our interests. when there is no understanding and desire

to understand us at all, of course, the government will make the decision, and you know what it is. president luga himself has repeatedly stated in recent years months from the moment of taking office that brazil brazil will not supply any weapons or even ammunition and we specifically needed ammunition for the german cheetah anti-aircraft guns that we received thank god from our german friends , that's why we are starting a frank dialogue here there should be no inflated expectations or any illusions, because the state of brazil considers itself to be a great country, a great nation, not only in terms of area, but also in terms of economic potential. let me remind you that 1.8 trillion dollars of gdp means that this is a player who is gradually returning to the international arena after such a certain period of turbulence. there were soners and predecessors, and therefore we must take

this ambition seriously. we are doing it, we have it. i would call it such an all-thai patience in relations with the brazilians in order to understand. and if it is possible to achieve this goal of mediation. when somewhere before that, when we get close to this moment, then i think, well, it will certainly be a plus ukraine will be able for everyone end the war and that is why we are very open here and brazil will demonstrate that it deserves a much more important role as a major global player and thus this situation will be guilty so that therefore we are very we are not starting from a clean slate but to a large extent almost from scratch and i believe that we can only get an additional certain positive in all respects and in terms of political support because brazil thank god has supported us

throughout the war for the last almost 15 months of the un arms sanctions against other elements are here for us, well, the work is still unfinished - it's true. please tell me. if you mentioned the sociological survey in germany, you are not worried that the germans are changing their moods. until recently, they were supporters of ukraine joining nato. they did not believe in the possibility of russian-ukrainian negotiations, now all this is changing, and very quickly. and how do you compare the previous survey and the last one to which you refer, what is happening in general, well , there is also a very fundamental process happening in germany, that is, its completion well, it’s not clear. germany is a country that you know very well. vitaly, who is very conservative. i mean not only politicians, not only political elites, but first of all society, and therefore any

change, especially a radical change. well, if you want to, regarding relations with 180° by russia, well, this all requires a certain rethinking there, and the inertia was and remains very great, we are happy that at least well, if compared with the time before the moment of large-scale aggression and the first days, weeks, even months, if you want today, well, it's because the germans announced on the eve of our president's arrival in germany a new large military aid package of 2.7 billion euros. this is really important. if you remember what happened 14 months ago, then the issue of helmets is being asked.

what worked more was dasha's diplomacy or did our army force germany to change its position. well, it was a symbiosis. of course, what worked the most was the resistance, the resistance of the ukrainians, and the reluctance to allow a new occupation and the loss of statehood. i think this was the main factor. played here of course, as the armed forces, which, from the first hours, from the first days, demonstrated that the position of both the germans and, in the end, well , let's be honest with our other european friends and even american friends, she was very skeptical, remember, we were given from a few hours to a few days there for a maximum of a week and that is why it is the main element of diplomacy, of course, what i think, well , it would be wrong to minimize its role , diplomacy was able to use this most important argument, that is, the desire of ukrainians to fight at any cost and at the desire to go to uh, on the rot, any compromises or whether to surrender uh or surrender territory there in

exchange for some potential peace eh this is what i think was an important contribution in order to convince the german government that it is worth switching from there anti-tank weapons there that we were given in the first week of the war, it was 1 fausti armor for 500 stingers, and then the germans put it all on hold, then for several weeks in a row, the germans thought well, we crossed this red line, so to speak, we made this summer quantum leap, well, in their understanding is not in our e and now let's lead the ukrainians to defend themselves so that it was of course funny . that's why this process was not easy and i believe that our diplomacy she er she she prompted such er, primarily of the political elite thanks to the roles and the opposition that was then and is now this hdsm party of former chancellor merkel and thanks to the media thanks to expert circles we managed to create

such a pro-ukrainian coalition in german society so that this pressure political pressure media pressure public pressure on scholz transfer-sholts and his government, it grew, and then we gradually moved to heavy armaments and now today he shows well, this logic works . if you take the aid that has been provided up to now, that is, until today, it is somewhere around 3 million 3 billion euros from germany plus the current aid, it really comes from our biggest allies, but even this is not enough, especially if you take attention, the types of weapons, the types of weapons that we need, and it is not only about the planes that we demand, because the f16 is, as you know, the most optimal option, and our military wanted to see exactly this plane, the largest number of them were

produced in the world, about four thousand units, and that's why here really is the largest maneuver, but if you take the european one of our friends and partners, i mean germany, great britain, italy, france, spain, not france - these are four states that have at their disposal about 500 aircraft , also state-of-the-art eurofighter typhoon aircraft germany has about 138 aircraft there, britain has about 190, that is, if germany were the first to cross this red line without waiting for a green light from washington, as it was with tanks, paints, and other weapons in the past months, then i think this was what the ukrainians were expecting, first of all, our army, because if b even 10% and from these weapons of these eurofighters that are in service these states handed over to us they started training even before that well it

really helped our armed forces to more successfully prepare to carry out a counterattack thank you very much mr. andriy andriy melnyk deputy minister of foreign affairs of ukraine ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary was with us and we are moving on to the elections in turkey. mustafa zader, journalist, public figure . the company is practically over, the tense situation in the country can be said to have been in recent years if you compare even with the elections that took place in 2018 , the situation is now very tense uh, two blocs are criticizing each other, that is, the people are a little tense, that is, only a small spark is needed for something to happen, let's tell you who

you think has the best chance today, anyway, it's up to reje and pardagan or kemalaki well, of course, there are different versions, there is a different questionnaire. that is, if you look at more independent questionnaires , you can say when you are still ahead, but you can’t say that a specific party can win or that a group can win. because they can almost be said to be on the same page. that is, you are even the questionnaires that show the numbers. you are right ahead, there is a maximum difference of one and a half or two percent, and we must not forget about the third candidate, the results of which also slightly affect the overall result, because eh, in order to win if elections in the first round, it is necessary to pass the 50% threshold, and it is not so easy in this situation , because each candidate has both minuses and pluses, despite the economic situation

, which most of all affects these it's all the same, people, voters pay attention to the foreign policy of the candidate , to the domestic policy, to their allies, because it will affect the future of the country as a whole. the region because the foreign policy of the main candidates is different by 180%, degrees differ durko ot friend and what do you think who is better now for turkey for the regions as a whole still erdogan who is stable but not clear-cut with some dictatorial tricks like that, or, er, dear killage, who still promises a more western policy, then i think that for the regions as a whole

, for your policy, which is conducted in turkey , er, at least for one more term, er that i, dogan, will stay because there are projects that need to be brought to the end, there are both internal and external projects, projects, and if it is even said that the grain will be exported, the grain agreement project, and so on, then i think that it is still for the region as a whole and for azerbaijan and for of other neighboring states eh, eh , his legs are more burnt out in this plan . that he will return more to the west and you need to remember his last reply on twitter , eh, in which he warned the russians, someone russia, so that they do not

interfere in the elections in turkey maybe walk on their future relations. that is, if we talk about relations with ukraine , then i think that there will be no strong changes because turkey has declared itself neutral, that is, at the moment, turkey recognizes the occupied occupation of the territory of turkey and this is confirmed by the territory of ukraine, crimea and other territories, and the whole position and all other parties are also unanimous in this question , that is, but in the question of relations with the west , the west is more favorable - more favorable to the amount of roll a tell me here do you think that the democratization of turkey is at the same time the road to the democratization of azerbaijan and, in general , these are the regions in the post-soviet space , by and large, if there is an authoritarian ruler in ankara and an authoritarian starter ruler in baku and an authoritarian ruler in moscow, then i would say the azerbaijani people, for example, find themselves in a trap

from which there is no way out. you know that your colleagues practically say that this is the one hundredth anniversary of heydar aliyev almost from the day heydar aliyev became president azerbaijan will be arranged by the parties from the decisions of its own country . the azerbaijani people will be a participant in the construction of their own state if they are honest. the conjuncture that is now, that is, in this plan, the issues of karabakh are incomplete, these projects are related to karabakh for the onyzur corridor, and so on , the way to turkey, and so on, that kind of thing project, they benefit the region, and in

these projects, turkey is the most important locomotive . at the moment there is a stable leadership of a stable system that conducts a full-fledged fruitful dialogue with turkey, conducts more major projects and concerns the attitude of azerbaijan to the end of the old one, he showed their new project, uh, and they called it the project of their life, you can say the dream of their life, and they called it the dear turk, that is, the turkish dear, but in this project it was not mentioned azerbaijan, which caused a lot of trouble in turkish society, because for turkey, azerbaijanis are бы такой можно сказать е ех a painful place is such a native and a painful place because in the 90s turkey could not provide such support to azerbaijan , which is now being rendered сейчас.

and the domestic population, that is, the voters who are not indifferent to azerbaijan, they do not support his policy, and on the one hand, we see eldogan, who has already started these projects for the oniazur corridor, supported azerbaijan in the war with the army, helped to liberate its territories, that is, it is necessary to look from the point of view from the point of view of this conjuncture , that is, at the moment , there is a system in azerbaijan, there is stability, and a full-fledged project is underway, that is, in this regard , azerbaijan is profitable, cardigan likes to occupy such an active position in world politics to be such a mediator, including on the issue of the war of ukraine and russia that is related to the grain agreement and the issue of the exchange of prisoners of crimea of ​​course and if his opponent wins, will he not be too busy with domestic politics of course

i want to underline once again that in general turkey's policy in relation to russia in the russian-ukrainian war is in it is possible to say that russia is ukraine. rain is the only question in which even the opposition fully supports the eldogans and says that this is really a very good approach to this . questions that we were not a rarity . i think that there will be strong changes. that is, if you look at it from the point of view of ukraine. i think that even for ukraine , for ukraine, it will be even better. relations with europe and so on, and he already, as you can say, began to speak out against politics with russia, against such honest