[000:00:00;00] and about doubles, so that they think that he means eternal, you know, maybe i already said to remember this once, and i don’t know if you have seen this series academy, er, empire of pie, from which winter there was an idea, not azyak azimova, the creators of this series from apple tv, that it's as if this galactic empire is ruled by a clone of the emperor, well, that's why we choose this one, he died a long time ago, 900 years ago or something, 1,500. and they clone this emperor every time. well, it's the same person, and so it means that he's already 345. what's more, they plan three times to grandfather was mature a man and a child, others passed on the experience that the wisdom of the grandfather balanced the energy of a mature person, and a person is all the repetition

of years, nothing new appears , this is stability. maybe putin will be the first and then the second and then the third stage of 500 years. well, people don't live that long. well , maybe they live later. who knows, people don't live . let's write an article in the constitution that putin is always alive and that they will not vote on the fact but on the people if he is not dead. well, it is impossible to kill. well, it has been 90 years for you and me, and he is 70. oh, you know it's not putin. well, that's it. there is an article of discrediting of the president of the russian federation, therefore, you will count that it is not putin , you will sit for 25 years for the very idea that it is not putin well, this is what i

am saying and seriously but i think that there are no doppelgangers, there is another problem, there is fear oh, so he i wasn't even afraid of the coronavirus because he could die, because he was simply afraid, he is so psychologically arranged with - in addition, he was afraid of his ex-wife, from whom he divorced. he always, when he went somewhere with her, meant that she lived in a room at one end of the hotel, he at the other, more precisely, he was afraid i was nervous, well, it’s like a white table so that he doesn’t meet with her, she could poison the person closest to him. well, i don’t know what he is there . i thought, but he had such a distance from his wife as from macron, so then it means that now he is afraid of drones, which means drones who is afraid so that he decided and it is serious that he should have a human shield in the form of presidents of other countries he was not going to invite anyone they officially said this at this parade on may 9, 2023, as well as at the previous one, there will be no one, we do not invite

foreign leaders because it's not a round date it's good here suddenly three days before all this he just breaks off the coils why are you already plus canvas already got into this tower we don't even know who started it and he starts calling everyone you know like some kind of buduna the uncle who just woke up and said, oh my god, my birthday is in three days, i'm a beautiful congregation, you came here literally just to have breakfast, fast, nothing , just to have breakfast, lukashenko didn't even have breakfast, and that is, it looked strange, but then there was serhii markov, a drunkard, there is such a local alcoholic who was once a deputy of the state duma, i want to get into it again , you understand, and he means that he explains what he likes, that we invited her so that they would be a human shield where the presidents of russia, that is, so that the ukrainians would not

shoot red squares well, because that is it is bad if there are several heads of state you will shoot, i.e. he deliberately invited them to cover him with their bodies. and if they helped him, if some drone or rocket fell, he simply thought that it would not fall. they can shoot them , well, they can shoot them anywhere. they will get stuck, there is logic in this, because any of our allies say this, you can't do anything red squares if the president of kazakhstan is there, say it is very dangerous according to the consequences of the events, uh, and there is the prime minister of armenia well, that's clear, that's it no in this there is absolutely logic or not, but chekist, but you understand the attitude towards the leaders of another country once and then it means a parade and a shield with a shield. and if the tanks are damaged, they may not work . it’s a pity that a tank is such a cynicism, you understand. and it’s a pity, it’s just as iron from

more expensive than its past let's do it, and the armed forces have already destroyed a lot, and this is simply out of fear, because if you ask him, well, it will just happen that volodymyr volodymyrovych, you are afraid that tanks are foresight, angelic foresight, do not confuse foresight with fear, well, that's all what he will tell you, that is, i even know in advance all his lines are absolutely obvious. so you win everything there, it all looks terrible . by the way, they also canceled the immortal regiment out of fear because they were afraid that people would leave with the current dead on sticks. well, too it's scary. what are you? if you want to make these people a hero, then you should, on the contrary, be happy if people come out with their portraits

. in laos or in cambodia, something like that there, it was so that no one saw anything, and here it also means that it is scary, that is, they are afraid of everything . invincible legends, you understand . it’s also interesting to do all this, it’s interesting that everyone didn’t congratulate putin on the so-called day victories, although putin obviously expected such a greeting as at home, it is correct to say so may 9 is not a protocol holiday, the heads of states are congratulated on russia day, this protocol holiday today sends protocol telegrams, so-called on the day of russia, to putin on may 9, no one congratulates anyone, they can congratulate each other if the leaders of the countries of the so-called anti-hither coalition come to the parade, this is how it was when russia

was considered a normal state, remember how many of these leaders were always in moscow on may 9, you know, and western countries european states that were freed by the allies from the hitlers, everyone in the world, it was in yeltsin's time, even the first years of putin. it was a real international event, a summit, and it was a form of greeting, but the cd could have come in music. well if it was a real event, but all winters are not like that, people you can call and say three days before the advice listen, let's come, you'll cover my body so that ukrainians don't kill me, but that would be strange for a cat, so he didn't have to congratulate no one, these are all fictions, it is absolutely unclear where they are coming from at all. let's talk about the fact that the usa and china are trying to normalize their a-a relations, in particular, jack salvan and ivan i e spoke in vienna, held a meeting in it

was very long and about eight hours and p vitaliy, when blinken’s trip was planned, it did not take place because of the a-a balloon that crossed the space of the united states of america, and then accusations were made towards china and escalated in this way that when this balloon flew over the united states, applications washington and we have reached the bottom and always when there is such a sharp drop in the level of relations, although then just before that there were attempts to improve these relations, then the process of restoring relations at the level or informal contacts or national security adviser, by the way, at that time there was a very similar story between the soviet union and

the united states when the process of seeking understanding was underway and nikita khrushchev even flew to the united states and met with the president before the atom and zinhower, but then the soviet union was shot down -e piloted spy plane with e-e pilot pavers who will be driven here and the soviet union was so e-e angry or had reason to be angry that relations between the united states and the soviet union they reached the bottom, moreover, then they organized an international security conference in paris, i was there and the duets sennhower and charles de gaulle and nikita khrushchev and nikita khrushchev left this conference, that is, nothing came of it, and this then led to the caribbean crisis, the world was constantly approaching the third world war, and only

when it was possible to avert the caribbean charisma, a slow process of normalization of relations began, which ended in a kind of detente, not immediately, there are already future times, in fact, due to the presidency of kennedy johnson in the time of the jordanist you find out what a long process, and this, uh, the driving force was an airplane, this is something similar to a hot air balloon, because such things destroy trust or give an opportunity to say that trust is destroyed, i don't think that the soviet union trusted the united states, it simply received visual evidence of espionage, which means what does this mean in practice that in such a situation there are advisers where the contact advisors on national security issues are by and large performed in the current chinese party leadership similar the functions of uh, jaiko salina, his name is different there, his title is his place

in the politburo of the central committee of the communist party of china, but he is essentially such an adviser, all the dpr personal advisers, have we already talked about these personal advisers today, ot tamari, this is such a personal foreign policy adviser, lulu yaka he trusts the past and these calls are matters of foreign policy he trusts he is but there is in china there is a new minister of foreign affairs well , somehow he does not perform protocol official duties very well if we are talking about such things, this is a question of guilt. and what did they agree on, what did they agree to agree on, they agreed to unblock the negotiation process, this means that anthony blinken can soon visit the union, the state, they agreed to continue consultations there on the nomenclature of the issue that was discussed and in

principles were agreed upon by these delegations, certain groups of issues were highlighted, this is an important moment that is currently in china of the united states. and by the way, the state department is already talking about the fact that the state the secretary of the united states of america, anthony blinken , is going to visit beijing in the near future. literally the news of the last hours and this is the result of these victories. of the people's republic of china, the former ambassador of china in moscow . what route does he take, kiev-warsaw , berlin, paris, moscow? and where is washington ? he has the impression that washington does not take him at all. participation in the conflict is actually a message

from china to the europeans at the same time that you and i can solve it if we don't pay attention to the americans, practically this is not a peace-making process but a process of separation of europe and america, and this is also obviously what was talked about in february. well it will honestly contribute to improvement and normalization, but it does not contribute to 10 calls. and the americans will have to make a great effort to prove to the chinese that none of this will happen . here i am quoting this statement from the representative of the american state department derkacholl who just uh spoke about this situation he clearly said that europeans and americans are in closer relations than ever and that is a completely

logical statement for uh the top american uh diplomat the united states said that they have never been more closely related connected when it comes to our view of the huge number of problems related to the rise of china and china's behavior in international relations, so that this is a real struggle, and apart from the issue of the war in ukraine and the position of china in relation to this and the us, of course , they are different, the cornerstone is still there remains taiwan, what about this issue remains taiwan, once there remains the behavior of china in the pacific region , where china is trying to compete not only with the united states, but also with australia, and in competing with australia, it is trying to create its own zones of influence that can become a military zone of influence on those oceanic islands. that there is a whole group

of ocean states that have a special relationship with china, china is hoping to first make economic investments and then start strengthening its military influence africa remains because china is not just investing in africa , it is trying to gain a foothold there through military and technical means . and now we have already mentioned sudan. and we must remember that now such countries, let's say like ethiopia like this treya, to some extent like sudan, they depend on port djibouti, and therefore bouzi, is a naval base of the people's republic of china, and it is by and large the former french territory of faroe islands and issa, it is a french possession, and they believed that it would be a separate state that would not have over as the sovereignty of ethiopia or eritrea or somalia, this will be reinforced by the fact that this port will be such an extra-territorial western port , and it is all in the chinese port, that is not a victory over the west, a victory. well

, you can cite many such examples, and china is trying to come everywhere and try to squeeze everyone, so there are a lot of quite serious circumstances, now we will see what the chinese will offer to kyiv and moscow because the visit is not treated by lodove, such a phenomenon indicates that the chinese really want to implicate the president of ukraine the ukrainian leadership is in some kind of trap because i generally think that it’s a shame, you know the cossack today, just in the chinese edition, but dmytro kozyk after the paris summit of the norman four had a simple task not to hold negotiations with the ukrainians, to deceive them , to draw them into traps, to create elements of mistrust between the ukrainian authorities and ukrainian society to create elements of mistrust between ukraine and measures, he tried to do all this, he just didn't succeed

partially, at some point i think he succeeded but then a full-scale war began and the position of the ukrainian authorities changed , i agree with that too . yes, maybe, but i just mean that we didn’t just create then , the commoners protested . he forgets that they didn't advise doing it either. we didn't uh, we went to a lot of political proposals from russia , remember. they wanted to create a joint inspection, um, uh, russia of the ukrainian army , or lpr, without russians, they had all the time the idea is to bring us into direct contact with the so-called separatists, who have never existed, you know, you see, they are not separatists, they are just collaborators, of course, we were all the time then, where

did the word tsepar separatists come from, why do we not use it now, the phenomenon said, why do you call them that the occupied territories are not some people who raised an uprising, you know how it is in catalonia or corsica, they are separatists . they say we want to live in a separate state , but there are no italian troops in corsica , there are no french troops in catalonia, they are i want that myself. well, not all of them. i mean those who want independence, and this is called separatism, and there were always russian troops there, and there were some people who served as collaborators of the occupier , but who never raised any flags in their lives, even in crimea there have never been any separatists in donbas either, and they, too, threw it at us all the time and we swallowed it, by the way, we called it that all the time and now. by the way, no one says that because everyone understands that those who fight against ukraine is not separatists, it's growing, so it can be a traitor. well, he takes a russian passport, well, it's his. well, it will be like that, any person

can come because it's a russian mercenary, not only from donetsk , she can come. to come to tyu and fight there in these corps , well, that has nothing to do with the very idea that these people want to live separately from the population. no, it is simply under occupation. and when the ukrainian army comes, people go out into the street with ukrainian flags. i know you i'm convincing everyone oh, what will happen if we take donetsk, there are people there who don't want to live in ukraine, but i'm convinced of you , people will come out with the same ukrainian flags, of course there will be those who supported the occupiers , they served them, they will get scared and flee with the occupiers to russia or somewhere else and someone will sit there because it will be left as an agent , but a huge number of people will welcome us, you see, maybe we can also say here are the partisans, the partisan movement means these are the people who live there, those who find out

the information themselves, who themselves undermine the occupiers. ordinary citizens of ukraine, whom we have always cared about, let's not be frank that in the donetsk luhansk oblasts there is somewhat less than in the same melitopol because the occupation has been taking place since 2014, and if that was the case, there were 8 years of occupation in melitopol. years, occupying the kyiv region was the same because it is sorry, it is no longer the army that is engaged in purges, but the national guard of the fsb, which methodically , they were going to do them methodically , they are destroying those who had an active position and thus those who can fight with the occupiers, it is the so-called sleeper agency that stays there specially, but these are not the people who went to the maidans and were some kind of public activists, etc.

after that, but they don’t have any. if you want a social trail, because if you have a social world, whether you are a journalist of a donetsk independent newspaper or a public activist, you have no doubt that they will come to you and take you to the basement, well, the same with everyone we know what our colleague stanislav went through, and from this one, what kind of tortures and tortures he was there, he was just among the journalists who worked for radio svoboda under a pseudonym, they found him, they accused him of espionage, they tortured him, and so on with tens of hundreds of people, and this by the way, the contraction camp in donetsk of the himmler-himler-type camp continues to exist. of course, when you occupy melitopol, you cannot do all this so quickly. you need the time. well, in kherson, they also began to go to the people. but they didn't have time, it can't be done that's how even the bolsheviks needed 10 years there to purge everyone from russia and ukraine who was against them, it lasts literally 10

minutes, mr. vitaly, another interesting topic is what is happening in georgia, because putin has been very cunning now. on my opinion, he proposed to restore air traffic, and in order to simplify the possibility for the citizens of georgia to return to the motherland from the russian federation, so he canceled visas , the georgian authorities support all this, but the georgian people, well, partially, at least no they came out for protests. why is this manipulation openly aa putin's? the georgian government is conducted purely because of the interests of its citizens, or do they simply want to support russia economically? it is beneficial for them to have the kind of relations with russia that they have, and for them , economic issues are more important than issues of national dignity and national interests. i want to remind you that the ukrainians of 2008 would have been introduced exactly like this, remember putin attacks

georgia with medvedev, then medvedev as president is ridiculous to remember now but it was so, so, but in ukraine the main thing the discussion at what price we will buy gas nobody says let's give up russian gas from ukraine nobody says let's introduce a visa regime with russia no no the whole discussion is mainly about what kind of relations we should have with russia in terms of gas, this is a public request that is being answered politicians, when president viktor yushchenko flies to tbilisi, it is perceived as an absolutely inappropriate escalation, which we do not need, although yushchenko was in the georgian capital together with the president of poland, lech kachin leaders of the baltic countries, and i, looking at this situation now, clearly realize that this was a historical act, it was exactly the act that eventually led to this ukrainian coup in 2022, so when we say why

georgians, so we have to ask why we, georgians simply have experience they see that the war is coming anyway but only the wars in ukraine are real, they themselves were in the war with the russian federation and they have occupied 20% of the territory , but i simply mean that a huge number of people can think that it is necessary to survive and survival depends on normal economic relations with russia, this was not their logic, they say that if we introduced sanctions against russia, our economy would fall by 10%. and so it rose by 10% from those who say, let's carry out sanctions , spoil relations with moscow, they want to tear up the georgian people, i will repeat again what ukrainian politicians said, you are something , i just remember it all, and it was our common mistake i'm not saying that i was there in 2008 just to guess at these positions

because i remember that i said then that i did not evaluate president yushchenko's trip in the categories that i am telling you now , i had another idea. i believe that the president of ukraine will involve ukraine in a war with russia, we will lose crimea and not only crimea, this is just a quote from the text of the time, i was right, we really lost crimea, and not only crimea, but the army we had at that time, and it was the eighth year, and we fought because of yanukovych in the 14th psychologically incapable of effective defense she even turned out to be incapable of a war with russia at first. it took a moment for her to survive this shock. but i think i was wrong in another sense. i thought that this war could be stopped, but it was necessary to prepare for it, and from the fact that we then believed that president yushchenko was reckless, we were not able to protect ourselves from the war because

we had to draw a different conclusion , we had to realize even then that russia is a danger, and the ukrainians reacted in a completely opposite way, they elected yanukovych, as he said no on the contrary, what should be after georgia? he should be from russia. that's the way it is, because otherwise there will be a problem. they made a mistake when they launched the opzj before the verkhovna rada. and it was the second one after uh, i say as much as we can uh, that is, i'm not saying that georgians are behaving correctly. i simply urge us to understand the mechanism of this behavior, both elite and social. because there is also an interesting thing here, people on the one hand do not perceive russia, i do not want to have any business with it , they believe that no visa-free regime with russians is needed, on the other hand, the same people support the government and the georgian dream. it has an unprecedentedly high rating, and if that is, it turns out that on the one hand russia is bad, but it is better to have a government that will preserve this stability for us, and it is

dangerous. i am generally sure that this also applies to the trip of all these presidents to may that we all face approximately the same danger in a very simple form . putin will use this war with ukraine to force another former soviet republic to surrender, and if someone says well, let's it is better to surrender and then it will not be as scary as the science of ukraine, then they will simply come to him, he will surrender , they will join the russian federation and what will they do next, they will mobilize for the next one, he will be with whoever does not want to surrender, that is, here you cannot, unfortunately, you cannot buy peace by capitulation , you can buy peace only by isolating russia from the post-soviet space. by the way, mikheil saakashvili wrote that he believes that putin is creating the conditions for the invasion of georgia now and

to complete what he did not have time to do in 2008 that he did not succeed, i do not think that he is creating the conditions for an invasion. i think that he is creating the conditions for an absorption, it is not one and the same . he wants georgia to break relations with the west, which is dependent on russia, there may be no need to invade if from belarus now and what could have happened to us well, let's put it this way, then it is possible to impose on georgia and the negotiation process with abkhazia southern city normalization of relations let georgia recognize their independence and you, let's all join the eurasian economic union together well, you can really use tools and it's dangerous, it's dangerous for the future of the georgian people, underestimation of the danger is something that was characteristic of ukrainians from 1991 to 2020, the second

year to 2022, underestimation of the danger, and of course we can ask something. because the wars in georgia were not the first war in 2008, they were short-term , a short-term war creates the illusion that you can somehow recover from it , that you cannot fight. we are actually fighting to the point of exhaustion. and you can ask, who said that the next war will be different from the ukrainian one, that the next war with georgia will not lead to a long war or the absorption of the entire territory, where the georgians have guarantees that the russian army, if it wants to again to do something will stop in front of whiteness, all the more until the scandav from the southern session when the southern session to tbilisi, i apologize , you can drive there much faster than from the belarusian border to kyiv and how should the west

react because well, what about the euro-atlantic the integration of georgia, to fight for georgian society and the zaguba state, to create tools that will separate georgia from russia. this is how it should be . unfortunately, we do not have any other tool here and show the georgian authorities that they cannot sit on two chairs if the ukrainian authorities had shown it earlier i have in the spring of the year 2000. maybe we have not reached such a terrible situation cannot be in the conditions when the state is threatened with the disappearance of any multi-vector foreign policy, this is, you know , a multi-turn on er foreign policy is brings the happy and we are unhappy because we are neighbors of russia, and the unhappy must clearly hold on to a clear understanding of who they are with who can help them and who can protect them that's all we have to do mr. vitalyu thank you we, the audience, were happy to listen to your the saturday political club vitaly portnikov conducted analytics for you. see you in exactly a week for this company. and in a few moments, iryna koval