[000:00:00;00] and the world leaders well, it seems to me that it is still china, i am more sure that it is purely at the request of china to transfer, because we see how representatives of china come to putin to agree on something. and if china starts coming very often, well, that it's not in their position, they don't like to pretend it's all that way, that's why they just wanted to convey some messages to putin , mr. oleksia, through these representatives. we can also ask you , continuing this topic, if they were delaying it , what could these country leaders expect? of central asia because in fact the events were preceded by a very parade of events, and we remember this supposedly ukrainian drone that

crashed into the kremlin at the same time as the shelling of ukraine intensified. some security guarantees, maybe someone will provide them, well, security guarantees from the russian federation , we already had memorandums on security guarantees . i think that these people are also conscious, they understand that any guarantees can be given to them but this does not mean that these guarantees will be fulfilled, you know. i think that maybe they dragged on, that putin himself was unsure, well, this is an assumption that the parade flies because in some places these parades were canceled and until the last it was unknown whether this parade would take place or not . it seems there yes, there was training, there was preparation there from the 20th, the fourth or the fifth of april to may 10 , red square was blocked as far as the panda was concerned, it was not possible to move there at all, most likely they came at the last moment because they were

not sure that the parade would take place, i think that they arrived at all at 9 o'clock in the morning, it is unlikely that they arrived at 8 o'clock, they spent the night somewhere, most likely they arrived already at 9:00 in the morning. when it became clear that the couple would still take place, yevheniya, but regarding putin's speech, no nothing really new was said, again, about ukraine, they say that the fraternal ukrainian people are suffering from the regime of the current president there, and all this event unleashed a war against the russian federation . however, it was telling that nothing was said about any gains made in more than a year ani war about any plans in the near future. that is, in general , the topic of the war in the war in ukraine was so superficial. well, putin talked about it superficially. why do you think there were no words about any plans, because it is difficult to predict because there are no successes, there are no plans

there are no successes a-a pvk wagner russia ah mother dondons who shouted that they are uh beautiful soldiers well it is really difficult to fight with them we personally our battalion fought with wagner we fought we have nothing with the kadyrivets well the kadyrivets are not soldiers at all this idleness, clowns who shoot tik-tok, i am for kaderiv people, not for chechens, chechens are beautiful people, and those kadyrov people who sold themselves for pennies and sold their ancestors sold their state, it is just kadyrov under the conditions and shout akhmat, it is not people, it is just cockroaches who raise their finger up ah, they shoot tik-tok and tell how they coolly storm nothing . they have no heavy equipment, easy weapons, you are just young, with beautiful barrels, and mostly nats of the russian model, dressed according to the latest fashion, sitting on helmets, all healthy, beards to fight they don't know how to talk about pvkwagner, pvk wagner, there are wonderful units

that fight uh, as a military man, we are them, well, you can say that those units that know how to fight can be respected because there is no respect, you can't fight, but these prisoners who come are newly arrived, what is it not soldiers it's just a man with a weapon and there are a lot of such units, the main manpower of wagner's pvk with which we stood to the south of kurdivmvky and these were newly created units and they could not fight at all, they could not be sent simply as manpower, they were monitored tribes, as it was in the second world war, as these kgbshniks did and they were simply redrawn , so talk about some successes of the same beauty or that his gerasimova well, we can't, they promised to take me before the new year bakhmut, we remember it clearly we stood then on they promised to take it in march. they promised to take it by may 9. nothing, none of their plans are successful. they are only

losing their influence . they are losing a large number of their people . yes. the federation is 10-12 times higher than before. what successes can we talk about and what plans can we talk about when putin cannot trivially fulfill what he sets p . - what would bring something uh interesting uh for the public and in particular for its citizens , let's talk talk about his so-called putin well , he said very vaguely that the collective action started a war against russia, although they want to protect the people of donbas and will continue and protect. that is, these are the following banal phrases, if he started talking about some deadlines

, some deadlines would achieve something. well, i think that even the russians, who are conditioned by their obligees, they also did not accept it because there were many plans , many conversations. is everything going according to plan? everything is fine. plans change all the time, that's why such a speech, you know, as they say, it was about nothing, but he had something to say and it was absolutely necessary to issue a collective event, it was necessary to say about international terrorism, it was necessary to say that they protect peaceful the population and then there that everything was fine, we will win and the speech was short. well, it was said. there were banal words that i couldn't help saying, but what's interesting. well, if you analyze this speech, you can say that we simply, then you can conclude that you simply had nothing to say. and he said something about something. it is clear - a military spectator, a participant in the russian-ukrainian war, a reserve major, was with us. thank you, mr. oleksiy, that at the stage of preparation for the shameful act, which is allegedly

called the parade of russia, they began to cancel traditional mass events, the bryansk region was the first to decide not to hold a parade, it was decided not to fire salutes so as not to create a crowd of people even before may 9, the advice was also canceled for the kursk, pskov and oryol regions , as well as for the temporarily occupied crimea. one of the largest propaganda actions in ukraine , mass events were canceled in moscow even on may day, we remind you that one of the ukrainian banks offered a 20 million uah bonus for flying drone on may 9 on red square in moscow, however, this prize never found its contender kirill of the season in the military of the armed forces of ukraine and a political scientist joins our broadcast, but now kirill you can hardly hear, barely, barely mr. kirill i will try to speak louder tell me please, what do you have to do with the cancellation of the immortal regiment? in most of the city, there is

a version that they were afraid that the participants would come not only with portraits of their relatives who died in the second world war, but also bring portraits of their parents there. brothers who died in the ranks of the occupation forces, and this will show the number, the real number of the dead, a-a. what do you think, mr. kyrylo? i completely agree. i think that this is the main reason. they were afraid that people would come out with portraits of those who are in ukraine and see them . although approximately the real number, the real scale, since they left people here and this fear became the main reason not to carry it out, because i believe that they will be lost in this legend, no one believes anymore, but the scale is real, especially in the countries of russia

few people know, few people understand, that is, well, they don’t talk about this, that’s why they canceled this and this action, yevgeny, what do you think scared the organizers so much that they decided to cancel and not to hold parades on may 9 in the regions, not even marches in particular the seemingly immortal regiment. well, what can you expect there? well, everything is simple , what you need to pay attention to, that not only in the border regions, that is, even in the center , they will settle there in pskov, some region, some other distant regions, it would seem that nothing can fly there, but however, it was done, it was done really in order to hide those losses so that people do not communicate with each other about the issue, that is , when does it begin well, let's be frank, 100 of the zombified people communicate with each other and when they understand, the number of people who dies on the territory of ukraine, they will start asking questions. and why are we there ? whom are we freeing? why are we fighting and they will start uh? well

, it seems to me that some changes are happening in their parade. they will start to think and start to rebel. maybe on the same gears immortal stick, why let's go out. we don't want to fight. we don't want our children to die and the like. yes, they really don't want to show the number of lowly prisoners of war who come to us. they just lie down in our land to die. they lie here in hundreds of thousands. which is shown in the headquarters, it is not even fully understood because there is still a serious wound, there are those who cannot be identified, that is, there are decals plus or minus, we understand how many are in this column, but there may be more of them, i think colleagues n- will also confirm. that is, we cannot 100% confirm how many of them died there, 20 or 30 if we take the minimum , that is, the number of those whom we can see, so i am sure that even those are the numbers in the general staff, which are a little higher than the losses

on the part of the russian federation, they were literally afraid that the immortal regiment is completely mortal mortal yes and a very big a-a in ukraine to another topic in ukraine every year on may 9 they will celebrate europe day together with the countries of the european union the corresponding decree was signed by president volodymyr zelensky, he reminded many years ago on our continent there was a tradition to celebrate this day on may 9 to celebrate the achievements of those peace and unity today this unity brings us closer to celebrating the first day of peace let's listen every year from tomorrow on may 9 we will honor our historical unity the unity of all europeans who destroyed nazism and will defeat racism, this will be the day of europe, which supports ukrainians for all nine years of aggression

and 439 days of full-scale invasion, this will be the day of europe, which helps us fight in all directions of mr. kyrylo, what do you think this initiative will allow? well, let's say that i will pray for may 9 and in general i will change my view on this day . what do you think? i definitely agree because, well, the year 2014 changed something in people's heads. 2022, a large-scale offensive of russia, an invasion of all war crimes that they committed here , it is reflashing us even more, therefore, such trifles as streets, street names, literature, television , social networks, the language of communication and holidays, this is also gradually reflashing people

, first of all, our future, first of all, youth children, and we are doing it very correctly. you see how the enemy is working with propaganda at the moment in the occupied territories of donbass . children who did not care about ukraine at all went to school last year or the year before last, and they are suffering from calluses very much, and this is for us there will be a big problem after the liberation of these territories, so we should not miss this important moment either. well, let there be propaganda, but the state also has its own propaganda , this is the norm. thank you, mr. kirill. unfortunately, we are limited in time. join us next time we will be glad to talk for a longer period kirill , a soldier of the armed forces of ukraine, a volunteer of the special unit of the thunder, a political scientist, joined our conversation

. it will be. will there be some kind of attack from the side of some good people there or i don’t know officially from the territory of ukraine or will there be any provocations from the fsb they didn’t happen however the parade itself is all the same for some reason it did not cause any joy at all hmm well, there is joy there and some respect even inside russia itself, the most important thing is that we can simply summarize that we will see russia in quotation marks, the second country of the world russia in quotation marks, there are no losses russia here makes its people all who come to us ukraine is fighting for its independence there are no analogues in russia, there are no analogues, and so on . it's all simple, russia is victorious, it can be defeated by uniting and we must unite , we must help the military, we must help

each other, we must keep our finger on the pulse the war is not over. we must understand that the ukrainian language is a code and the code of the nation depends on many, many factors , no matter what anyone says, it is necessary to develop and do the right thing, not propaganda, but to unite around some goals, the goals of the planets, and the like . therefore, the only thing for us is that it is necessary to beat the occupiers together. thank you for a beautiful finale . thank you extremely. thank you for your work, thank you, yes, let's change the vector of conversation a little bit. men who listened to russian music loudly, behaved aggressively, were issued summonses. this was reported to the patrol police, an incident occurred in lviv .

a passer-by's remark in response, the boys began to attack the man, he turned to the law enforcement officers, after which the offenders were detained. it's okay for you to listen to muscovite music now, muscovite you can say i am very sorry for my behavior, she offers it to a man who lives in ukraine and communicates in ukrainian. i apologize for my actions that i caused to a young man who made a remark to me . olena ostrova, a political psychologist, joins our broadcast . in your opinion well, this is not the first situation about which in general, which receives such a resonance, uh, constantly such rude behavior that connects uh, he was listening to russian music and behaved like that but we we understand what's going on here

, it's more like it's all connected in the same situation . and we already have rejection in society, that is , it's not just that some guys listened to loud music , then they attacked a person, and they also listened to russian music, i understand that because of the war, there is such a negative attitude , it immediately causes aggression, hmm, what do you think, can we do it first? what should our viewers understand, please explain that it can , for example, listening to loud music, especially russian-language music, can be traumatic there those who were at the front or who have post-traumatic syndrome due to the aggressive attack of the russian federation, let's start with this, let's try to gently explain to our viewers why this should not be done if you treat others with respect . yes, let's really understand the essence of what happened - first of all, it is necessary to understand that the war is not only for the territory, the war is for identity, that is, the war of russia against

ukraine is existential and here it is either them or us, and it is important to understand that the war is for who will live on this territory in the future, that is, putin the goal is to occupy this territory, populate it with russians loyal to us, our goal is to preserve our territory, where to occupy it, and so that ukrainians live here and that this territory has exactly the ukrainian population , that is why it is very important for us and it is very important for us to win this war to win not only the territory, but also to win our identity, that is, to expel the bodies only from our territory, and also deo to buy our brains, and we must understand that the war for identity is the best war so far, have you seen how well, this young man reacted to remarks, that is, when they told her about moscow music, she immediately began to react aggressively, this is a defense of identity, these people listened to this music because their identity

is russian, in fact, it resonates with this song , that is, the soul is a poet, this is mine, and therefore the defense of one's self causes aggressive reactions, because the language is actually, well, that's why what do we understand that language is an identifier of identity if we find ourselves in some space where there are a lot of people we identify them according to their conditions there we hear german aha there must be germans there we hear them speaking french that means there are probably french people there who speak russia and russian, so there are russians there, and that’s actually the geode when he said how many times you are how much you know how many times you are a person, this is not a metaphor, he says that you think in russian, you see dreams in russian, you are a person, you have a russian identity and here it is very important to understand that the russians use language, as well as faith, as an instrument of murder and deformation of the ukrainian identity, that is why we have such opposition, because we are reclaiming

our own, we are fighting for ukraine, we are fighting for ukraine as a state we fight for ukraine as the ukrainian people and we fight for us and you for our identity with you therefore for russians the russian language is a way of occupying people's brains and they have been doing it for a long time, they are doing it by force that is, we can remember the history of emsky decree aimed at displacing the ukrainian language from the sphere and many other things. and this happened by force, and now this decalization on our part is simply an attempt to protect our borders, an attempt to protect our identity. don't forget that it's probably not just a language issue, because it wasn't just russian music that sounded here, or many ukrainian singers now continue to sing in russian, uh, come on, in order to convey your thoughts and what's really happening in

ukraine during the war for of the wider community, at least that's how they argue here, or it's about what these young people performed, they performed a song by leps himself, who is not only banned in ukraine, but rather he is persona nom grata. he is forbidden to come. of ukraine, this probably also became a trigger, and not only the russian one. well, of course, of course, it is a trigger, besides the fact that there are people who are very sensitive , they stand in defense of the ukrainian identity , they are sensitive to these issues, and these are people who have an education and who understand who are the leps? i don't know do those young people who know lepsa know that he actively supports the country? i assume that they do not have the level of education to bathe in such information about russia. you mean yes , he supports russia.

we understand you, and they could have known this. and i think that in this case he could have shown it to them, but what he later apologized in ukrainian, talked about what he was doing so dishonorably and wanted an apology, he said in the end one of these guys , we can see him now. he did apologize , and i apologized in ukrainian. or was this apology on camera ? it was an apology that was supportive and, in principle, little changed in him. i am afraid that such violent methods when forced to apologize to people, that's right. it opens their eyes to a certain extent. but whether it will have an effect or not is a big question, because here i am talking about identity, about what resonates with a person, about what is close to them, and this is the process of de-occupation of ukrainian identity getting rid of these deformations is a very long process and it is, you know, the most difficult war, we have to win it in any

case, we have to carry out a gentle ukrainization, but this radicalization in terms of the ukrainian language issue is another. you know such a surgical treatment of the stockholm syndrome when the victim identifies himself with the aggressor, intensify himself with the condition, and we now reject all this, that is, when we so radically address these people and say no wait, this is leps, he is the aggressor - this is the occupier, this is muscovite music, this is muscovite language, that is, we simply make such a cut us separation from the aggressor and this is a very important process, this young man was simply shown that this kind of process is going on now, just pay attention to him that you don't want to do that on what one moment i would like to pay attention to uh, the summons to the military commissariat, yes, the invitation received by uh, this guy, whom we saw on the video, and this is not the first time when, after such situations, when

certain guys behave rudely or are hooligans, they they get it after punishment or even have sex on the beach. we remember this story when, too, for this, yes, in odesa, if i'm not mistaken , a man got a train for this . perceived by society because we have repeatedly heard eh hmm thoughts in particular the army oh, as they say that a summons and service in the armed forces of ukraine is another well, it is an honor, it is a privilege, in fact, not a punishment , a trip cannot be a punishment yes, yes , you get a summons for what you listened to lepsa and they say, well, realists behave like this, then go ahead, go to the front, then it's normal . yes, how is it now perceived in society , how should they report it, should this subpoena be a punishment or the other way around, we listen to the military and say what not it is necessary to form such an opinion, mrs. helen. well, here in society there are two such opinions

. the first is that if you behave so brazenly and if you have so much energy, then the second is to direct it in a constructive direction. here is a summons for you, man . beam and that's ok, that's one opinion. the second opinion is when we say no to the armed forces of ukraine - this is our honor and dignity and such scoundrels should not be in the ranks there, well, there is such a middle ground . i would say the way is to form some special department where these people will really be included to some useful work for the good of the armed forces of ukraine where and where plus there will still be some kind of conversation about some certain educational educational process and not just you know there, go there eh what will they give you there and go fight well here you can just know think for a long time how to do it but i think that

it would be better if it was accompanied by some other explanation. what are we still with the process of ms. olena ? and who, by the way, please specify who most often uh, who seems to be society talking about the fact that such and such boys and such young men should be punished with summonses go serve deserved it who are these people who think so, they are probably not the ones who are currently in the armed forces well, of course, i think that these are the people who have, well, some kind of internal , unrealized aggression, which they direct not at the enemy, but at their own citizens, that is, it is not a constructive direction you think you want to do aggression. take it and do it yourself. go and take your weapons in your hand and go to the bench and then you will talk about it. ugh, ms. elena, then in the end you will allow similar conflict

situations like us, which are such as we observed in lviv is where everything is intertwined at once, language and prohibited performers and subpoenas , how can we, in such situations, society and the state in general, all of us together, how to find a common denominator, how to conduct everything and at the same time, so that these conflicts do not tear society apart even more , are there any recipes yes, we must to understand that any conflicts are not always a tearing apart of society , and this is just a search for a norm and an attempt to normalize a situation, to come to some constructive solutions, in principle, conflicts provide this opportunity, this dash is a collision of different opinions and to go out on this balanced drinks balanced decision of course here you have to understand that ukrainization is the creation of protection for the ukrainian identity that ukrainization and ukrainocentrism are our guarantee of the safety of the holy iron dome if you want that will allow us to preserve ourselves and survive that is why i am in favor of ukrainization very gentle, but at the same time

dynamic, gradual and you know, permanent, not periodic, and there today they came up with this, they did this no, it should be planned , a gradual and very balanced plan, thank you thank you, ms. elena, a political psychologist, thank you for giving your assessment and your recommendations, because it was really important to hear friends talking at this hour and about the advice, er, on may 9 in moscow, they saw and analyzed the amount of equipment and who stepped in in red square and in the stands next to the motive of those who came to putin, eh, in fact, not everything is as eh, fun as the federal mass media tries to

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