[000:00:00;00] wow, that's very good. i think it's a very good end to the day. i hope there will be more of it in the future. a fire is burning in the vyshgorod district of kyiv oblast. forest litter has arrived. dear viewers , you will see the smoke and you know that it will disappear soon. now the broadcast continues the verdict with serhiy rudenko glory to ukraine is a program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today may 15, 446 days of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers

the occupiers of luhansk and the russian probandists reported that on the morning of may 15, a plane flew in the area of ​​the bus station. they also claim that an attack was made on the former aviation school of navigators . during the day, the aviation of the defense forces of ukraine carried out 17 strikes on the areas of concentration of personnel and military equipment of the russian occupiers. our defenders also shot down two enemy reconnaissance drones, meanwhile, britain will transfer to ukraine hundreds of combat drones with a range of more than 200 km , the british government announced today, president volodymyr zelensky is meeting with the prime minister of great britain, carrying a bag and eyes, obviously we will have the details soon. after this meeting, meanwhile, the russian occupiers will continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine . as of the morning of may 15, russia has already lost 199,467 in ukraine only in the last day, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 580 orks, with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost

3,759 tanks, 7,336 armored fighting vehicles, 3,000, 137 artillery systems, 567 multiple rocket launcher systems, 316 means in ukraine of air defense 308 aircraft 294 helicopters 5984 units of automotive equipment 18 ships of boats 973 cruise missiles 2,720 drones 407 units of special equipment so the strike on luhansk shooting down three russian e-e helicopters mi-8 and two su-34 and su-35 fighters in the skies of bryansk and european zelenskyi's tour , we will talk about it all for the next hour . i want to introduce today's first guest - he is a colonel of the security service

of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine roman kostenko, mr. colonel. good day. i wish you good health and i am glad to see you on our broadcast. good day. i wish you good health. we thank you. let's start our conversation with volodymyr zelenskyi's european tour. britain , speaking in germany yesterday, zelenskyi said that putin's peace formula is death. putin is a disaster and aggression. and that nothing

can be negotiated with putin. let's hear zelenskyi and now everyone understands what we understand putin and there is a catastrophe this answer is putin and there is aggression and he does not want anything else for himself and his people his formula has become death how to talk to her explain to me how to talk to her in all its long history humanity has not yet known no one who could negotiate with death. so, mr. colonel of the verkhovna rada, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine said that there is nothing to negotiate with putin and the only way is the way of struggle and the way of regaining

freedom is the only way for ukraine or do you agree that the window of opportunity for any peace negotiations in the current situation is closed for the time being, it is interesting how the rhetoric changed when president zelenskyi came to power . i'm just saying how times are changing and when the understanding comes that there really is nothing to agree on with russia, russia is the enemy, it is the aggressor, and only by the method of force and the preparation of your own army can you keep russia at a distance, keep it so that it does not did not invade your country for this you need strength for this you need an army for this you need determination and constant readiness to repel an attack that's why i really agree here that there is nothing to negotiate with russia for russia you need to show strength only she sees your weakness she begins to take away in your land, she begins to kill her own civilians, and

it is good that this understanding has come to us. that there is nothing to talk about with putin, he is now trying to convince his european colleagues that there is no need to hold any negotiations with putin, well at least this long tour that is taking place these days in europe of the president of ukraine shows that on the eve of the expected and planned counteroffensive zelensky is trying again to enlist the support of europe and as zelensky himself says, one of the goals of the european trip is to create a coalition of fighter jets , so far the advantage in the ukrainian skies belongs to russia and our task is to be powerful in space

said zelenskyi, let's hear from zelenskyi, we are currently working on the creation of a coalition of fighter jets, and in part, our visits to the capitals of europe are aimed precisely for this purpose. i think that we will be successful. i will also appeal to the german side today to support ukraine in this coalition. it is very important to us, and from the coordinates of our efforts and to have, well, we are not talking about the superiority today, the superiority of russia in the sky in the ukrainian sky, but our task will be powerful in space, mr. colonel, what do you think prevents the world from creating help to create this coalition of fighter jets for ukraine, they are afraid that

in the hands of the ukrainians, the fighter jets can strike the territory of the russian federation or start a war, uh, into some impasse from which it will be difficult for everyone to get out . what are they afraid of? well, i would like to comment on the words of the president at the expense of the advantage is on the side of the russian federation, for heaven's sake, i can agree that yes , it's really in the number of planes. yes , but the advantage is dominance in the air. have due to the fact that our defense and command forces created air defense forces that do not allow the russian federation to fly freely and, let's say , support its troops on the battlefield, and of course they have an advantage in missile weapons , it is clear that we did not even have this weapon we once handed it over to the russian federation, destroyed our missile aviation, but there is no such planning of support on the battlefield in russia due to the fact that we

directly created an anti-aircraft defense system that is not it allows russia to feel free here as well. of course, it is necessary now in the missile system , which in the future will be done so that russia cannot support its troops, because if the level of our air defenses decreases, of course , then combat operations will be able to completely to the other to leave as far as the coalition is concerned. we remember that the tank coalition also began. so there was no single, shall we say, understanding of support for ukraine, and now indeed president zelensky himself understood, we can already see after may 24 of last year and now his main task when he flies around other countries from and other leaders of other countries come here to convince them that ukraine is fighting for all of you and we only need help from you, we received weapons of types of anti-tank complexes, then combat

vehicles, howitzers, artillery shells, now the tank coalition it was already here, and we remember that it was germany that did not give its tanks for a long time, because the leopard 2 tanks are for us. they er, in europe they can be repaired, let’s say they are of such a mass that they allow you to pass on our roads on our er bridges, which is because other tanks have them and there are fewer of them. but there are nuances in its application, and here britain gave us the first step of the challengers and now it is the tank coalition, everything is working equally well, the lion's share of the tanks we have are german tanks , the leopard 1 is under fire, let's say it's not the best that exists now

, but what they have is already good gradually we will work on it. and i think the number of leopards is two. i was recently at one of the training grounds where they walked with a leopard . according to the t-62 tank, which russia also uses a lot now, it simply pierces it without even leaving anything alive in it, so these are really good tanks, and the leopard tanks are one. due to its control system, it is very good, therefore, moving on, we see that a tank coalition has been created, and now the question is. i think that first of all it is important to finish off the coalition . the british also came out first, as well as machines and provided them, and this will enable us to knock out the enemy's logistics in the first place, and before our active actions in the 23rd year , now is when they will begin. if a decision is made there, we will need to destroy the logistics base of the russian federation

for fuel for ammunition for their reserves, for this we need those years to knock out the airfields and i think that if britain showed it, then now germany and other countries, including the usa , will help us with these missiles and we will be able to feel more certain, more confident, and the russians will understand that they can no longer be so um safe regarding the placement of their logistical regarding airplanes there. we recently also considered the issue at the national security committee, the minister of defense came to me and there are airplanes, that is, there is a list of swedish airplanes there are 16 american networks, french and eurofighter, in my opinion, it is called a european plane that was made by all european countries , so it is important that these are the mig-29s that are still in the countries of the warsaw pact are here as well. the question is what kind of planes, er, because, er, let’s say a salt of machine tools, we can still pull a salt of

howitzers there, too, but how expensive are airplanes , er, let’s say pleasure and requires a very strong approach, it’s technological in the first place and their weapons and the planes themselves, what should be done about them, well, at least at least one, at most, two options so that we can provide, and there are many nuances in the choice of aircraft, first of all, what kind of radars are there, you can compare, for example, f16 and mig-29 when we talk about fighter jets which can fight for supremacy in the air, but the mig-29 can see its target at 80 km and can hit it only at 30. if you take the f16 , then there is a question of detecting 250 and hitting it . maybe at 200, as well as the russian su-34, are these the latest ones? er 135 yes they can see there at 200 and hit at 150 what does this mean it means that we can patrol our sky against the enemy without entering into action in the air defense area

of ​​our faults in the area of ​​radar of our fighters they can simply destroy them because they especially have no say advantages and they will simply be shot down by russian planes. therefore, we need planes that will be on their radars or similar in their characteristics without being similar to russian ones or superior to them. these europarks are called if we take mirages , then it is about the 29th, you can talk about them there, but what is the point if we cannot resist russian planes and this issue is now being resolved. i think this is it will be decided, but at the moment, at the moment, in order to, let's say, hold this spring-summer campaign, i think we need more artillery shells, it is the main one, and more missiles and air defense systems in order to give russia to take, uh, get an advantage in

the air air defense shoots down artillery er suppresses and destroys russian ground targets, long-range missiles knock them out er logistics, the army advances against the dominance of russian troops and the russian air force er in the skies of ukraine what president zelensky mentioned, we witnessed how 13 may last saturday, three helicopters, according to the air force of ukraine and spokesman yuriy ignat, three russian mi-8 helicopters and two su-34 and su-35 e-e fighters were shot down in the sky over the bryansk region. is this a sign? is this a confirmation that

you said that receiving the latest weapons allows us to prevent air groups that come from russia and shoot in the sky on the border with the russian federation over our territory, from which the chernihiv and sumy regions are shelled in particular, you see, russia does not is very dominant in its airspace , as we can see and according to the statements of the spokesperson of the air force of ukraine, we see that three helicopters were hit. i want to remind you that it was not just helicopters , but at least two of them that transport personnel there by means of transport 8 well, they were helicopters on which rap systems were installed and they worked in connection with attack aircraft and bombers, their task was before the attack aircraft and bombers launch missile strikes on ukrainian territory turn on their rap systems, which were supposed to suppress

our air defense system so that our air defense systems would not be seen by these attack aircraft, of course in russia. there are not many such helicopters. they have all possible modern weapons. oh, there are older weapons to restore, but they have very little modern ones, including these reberz rotorcraft, so their impression is very important in order to, say, limit russian strikes on the territory of ukraine, so these are serious targets that were destroyed by our defense forces , in particular, by the air forces of russia, and it will be extremely difficult to restore them others will be taken, so i think it doesn’t even matter, it’s impossible in the conditions, they will take from the reserves, what is, that’s why they were impressive, and the su-35 and su-34 are the latest equipment that is in service with the russian federation, they don’t have many of them, russia wants them 1,000 planes, but these are planes, in particular, mig-29, there is the su-25, and which , with all its old weapons , have already flown out in many of their resources, and these newest ones, which

can oppose ours, are not much, so the impression of these two planes on the territory of the russian federation is serious losses tim rather, i will remind you that they suffered these losses together with the pilots who were on board and did not have time, could not eject, and died there, and what consequences this may have , firstly, the russians lost their planes, secondly , they will now be afraid to fly, which is not the case on the territory of ukraine, as well as along the border of the eu, recently we remember that the russians, in addition to rockets, used cluster bombs that inflicted serious blows on our civilian objects, these are guided aerial bombs that were launched approximately from the territory of russia up to 20-30 km away where they considered this territory safe for themselves, they attacked chernihiv, sumy and kherson regions , the city of boryslava, kherson itself, now they are thinking hard about whether they can fly so close, if they fly, we see that we have

weapons that can get them to to this depth. therefore, it is very important for, in particular, the deployment of the forces of domination and explaining to the enemy what weapons he can use today . president zelensky, colonel , is visiting great britain. britain, and before that, britain informed that it is ready to provide ukraine with hundreds of air defense missiles and attack drones with a flight range of up to 200 km. before that, we know that there was a decision regarding long-range cruise missiles that arrived in ukraine in the current situation . what is britain doing and how is it doing? is this a certain marker for other european countries because, well, the british are pioneers and, well, if they can

be called that in providing any weapons to ukrainians . is this a certain marker and a sign for others of states, including for the united states of america and , in addition, before this, additional information appeared that ukrainian pilots are learning to fly the latest aircraft at british training grounds or at air bases, and is it not also before the day that the decision of sunak will be announced or at least he will promise zelenskiy planes for the ukrainian air force in the summer or fall. you see, i also want to say that this is the work of our politicians and our diplomats. do you remember how the war started? it was necessary to convince each country to give us something simple.

asked, and now we see that all the deputies worked there, the office of the president, the government there, our e-e companies, including those that export weapons, volunteers, everyone there tried to pass something. now we see how the situation is slowly changing. britain is our reliable partner, they are a reliable partner, and united states and now we understand that everyone understands that ukraine will win and i wanted to and they are doing it right , it is a matter of time, but we will definitely win and at least we will not lose, everyone understands this and then the question will be that europe will be well understands that the question will arise that the victory is not for ukraine, but for europe, and then the struggle for leadership in europe will unfold . and the leader will be the one who defeated russia , and now it will be, then the question will arise. russia, but with whose help. this was, for example , help from britain. how can a

country, for example, count on leadership if during the great war, when russia wanted to return europe under its sphere of influence, you sat somewhere in you will not be the leader of the side. of course, the three great leaders of france and germany and britain understand that it will be necessary to divide the spheres of influence, in particular in europe, including in the east, where ukraine is located, and ukraine will be friends there with those who helped, and we see what is happening now. germany gave us 2.7 billion dollars in aid, this is a country that was in the shadows for almost a year and you had to beg for every cartridge from them , a country that in the days of the invasion gave us , if i'm not mistaken, 3,000 helmets some bulletproof vests, that is, nato, defend yourself and fight, and now it gives us, we remember 18 howitzers, armed vehicles, tanks, all the main ones that come from them, this is uh, there are also systems and growths that wear out effectively

, and the statement of the french president yesterday who said that we are against russia's aggression, we will be with ukraine to the end because they understand that only the leader country can then have preferences and talk about the fact that we won. and if you are in the party, then your country cannot be you are not a leader, what are we? britain, which is now trying to always be the first in this regard, will be able to calculate in the same way. they also provided the first tanks . they now have missiles, and this is also one of the moments. this is a weapon that can affect the further course of events. and that is why we that they didn't believe in us, they were able to break europe, and they assured them that they would now compete with each other. and who will provide the best and first weapons in ukraine? all

to do so that, er, this competitiveness only grew, and we will get to planes and missiles with a further and longer range, and to the right ones, and to accepting us into nato, in particular after our victory. he spoke several times at scholz's meeting with emmanuel macron, and zelensky's statement just appeared that ukraine is waiting for a positive decision to be made regarding ukraine's membership in the alliance at the summit, i quote what the president said in a video address to of the copenhagen democracy summit. it is time to remove the greatest danger, uncertainty in europe, that is, to make a positive political decision on membership in nato, this should be done already at the july alliance summit. zelenskyi has already

said that there is no point in me going to vilnius . if there are simply diplomatic bows of the north atlantic alliance towards ukraine, according to you, how likely is it that at the july summit in vilnius, ukraine will receive a positive signal and confirmation that the ukrainian state will become a member it is clear to the north atlantic alliance that this requires a certain amount of time and certain legislative procedures, and yet how likely it is at the current stage. in the format, there are promises to sign some uh, there are memoranda or what i think will definitely happen. well, look . well,

lately everything has been developing quite quickly. the period when the president will not even go. and it may still happen that we will be included , let's say, they will be taken to nato , these are unlikely options . all these plans are now some basic ones, but they will be adjusted right before the summit itself, and everything can return both for the better to deeper cooperation, and to the other, to leave everything as it is, uh, quite an interesting situation. in the last few days, the belarusian position writes and reports that he has some kind of acute viral infection, which also affects cardiac tachycardia. what are the functions of the heart of the self-proclaimed president of belarus? we know that 5 days ago lukashenko

was on parade in even then, moscow could see from his face that he was very upset , according to you, can the situation in belarus change at the current stage, suddenly , something will happen to lukashenka, well, he will end up in intensive care or die, that is, can the russian federation in this of the situation to take advantage of this and involve belarus directly in the deployment of troops in the south and, accordingly, in the north of ukraine. because this whole story with the illness and the absence of lukashenka at the official events yesterday, the day of the flag of the republic of belarus, was he there, did he not appear or could all this in the complex will become a problem for ukraine , well, from my point of view, if lukashenka

still happens, it will be very difficult for russia to attract a protein. i think there will be such processes that will be disadvantageous for the russian federation. i think it will be democratic processes but everything depends on the people, what i have seen is how they are able to somehow show their will, but we have our will to the end, and i think that if lukashenko does not stand, then there will be a question of a back-and- forth path. of the russian federation but of course if russia leads troops there and begins to pressurize belarus, nothing will happen before that , so let's just say, i think it is unlikely that if lukashenka still happens that russia will be able to involve belarus and make it happen again because it is exactly lukashenko that he is this this regime holds and i do not know who can be next him to do it, but i say it again. everything is changing. this is my personal point . well, very briefly, mr. colonel, regarding the situation on

the eastern front, the commander of the syrian ground forces said that the advance of our troops in the direction of bakhmut is the first success of the offensive, and he reported that the last few days have shown that the armed forces of ukraine can move forward and destroy the enemy even in our difficult conditions, however, this is only a partial success and that is how it should be perceived that at this moment and at this the moment is generally taking place on the eastern front, and how do you assess the situation around bakhmut? well, shilskyi is right . he is in charge of this operation. the fact that we completely retreated, the enemy was humiliated

by the fact that we were able to return part of our territory, i will say. to the whole front to seize the initiative specifically due to the fact that small victories are being shared, because along the entire front we have an enemy even initiative due to the fact that activity was close to bahmut, but we can now do so once again at the expense of those small ones when the initiative will pass to our side and after that, you can already carry out more extensive active actions. thank you, colonel , for the conversation. it was a novel. kostenko, colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our platforms on youtube and facebook for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, please like our video, subscribe to our e-pages on youtube, facebook and other social networks , we work for you on all platforms well,