[000:00:00;00] well, the police can only detain them to conduct preventive talks, but i hope that it will still reach these conditions in the quotes of the majors in very fashionable cars about the fact that the fighters of the armed forces of ukraine who return to rest for a few days in the capital and people are temporarily relocated - of the occupied territories they are also, i'm sorry, they're very scary, well, now everyone is in a state of heightened anxiety , and that's why we need to worry about each other , a little empathy hasn't hurt anyone yet, thank you mykhaila mykhailo shamanov, spokesman for the kyiv of the city administration told about how he woke up after the explosions in kyiv, the loudest no. was it, well, in the next hour we will talk about the situation in odesa, we will also have input from the front line, and we expect in our matter the spokesman of the air force of the armed forces

of ukraine yu ria ignat, but it will all be in the next hours now there will be andriyani news of the economy, we will watch it. thank you, colleagues , a lot of news has accumulated, plus we will talk about cases when fake records of visits to doctors appear on the internet applications such as helsi and others in a moment congratulations andriy yanitsky with economic news on the espresso tv channel as usual at eight in the morning live with you if you watch us on youtube please like it send the link to your family and friends share it on your social networks and leave a comment i i always answer the questions on the topic that appear in the comments under the video. at the moment

, the following news is available. today the sale of our electricity from khmelnytskyi npp to rzeszów started, the process is evidenced by the data on the website of the network of system operators of continental europe, the transmission capacity is 200 mw, the total length of the main line is 400 km, the lion's share of the distance passes through the territory of ukraine , the investment from our side amounted to 350 million hryvnias, and poland invested in this the project is worth another 270 million hryvnias, the movement of goods on the border between ukraine and poland has already been opened and resumed as a result of negotiations with the polish side , it was possible to unblock the operation of the checkpoint and yagodin dorogunsk, since yesterday, trucks are traveling as usual, deputy prime minister oleksandr kubakov said , the ten-day blockade

caused significant losses for our carriers and exporters. animals and dangerous goods, the security service of ukraine reported the suspicion of sanctioned oligarch dmytro firtash and the top management of his company only during 2021 the illegal activities of the participants caused losses to the state of more than 4 billion 200 million hryvnias , the sbu reports, and the total amount of damage during 2016-2022 may amount to more than 18 billion. searches took place in the offices and residences of the organizers of the scheme. it's not a joke , that's all, and they're asking, that's basically put this dnieper, and how the hell did i listen to that, oleg, damn, it was

a colossal mistake, look at you, that's where there are 120,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 i'm sending them energy to it so that we immediately close you dnipro, you understand, yes, to remove it, at least there, people are talking about watching. of property , we are talking about clear rules for the formation of technical passports and other documents , the ministry of community development of the territory and infrastructure reported that document circulation will be carried out in a single state electronic system in the field of construction more details about the procedure of the ministry will be published later, but now i will remind you that public information about the construction has recently become open again even during hostilities after a full-scale invasion , the housing rental market has changed, the geography has changed , first of all, many citizens have either lost

their homes or are looking for a temporary safe haven, so at the beginning of the year, the average monthly rent for a one-room apartment increased in many safe regions of ukraine , according to the state statistics, zakarpattia oblast is in the leaders, the highest rent there is 13,123 uah is half more than it was before the beginning of the great war. lviv oblast is on the second rung with a price of uah 11,543 per month. kyiv occupies the third rung among popular places to rent housing. the one-room apartment left now costs uah 7,590. it is the cheapest to rent in kherson oblast, zaporozhye and sumy oblast. they fall there due to constant enemy shelling of the civilian population, well, now let's talk with the guest valentina dutko

, editor of the innovation department of forbes ukraine, if ms. valentina is already in touch i will be happy to say hello. greetings, so, let's first introduce the audience to you and what topics you write about or articles on which topics you edit in ford magazine. i write and edit articles, texts about the actual, about innovations, about technological companies that were born in ukraine or earned by ukrainians technological entrepreneurs around the world. that is, you are the kind of coach who plays and writes and edits yourself . i understand your role in the magazine . you recently wrote an article about fake visits to doctors. why did you decide to pay attention to it? exactly on this topic, as if it were about medicine. and you write about innovations, where is the connection here? i will explain the only thing that i will correct is not in the magazine, but on the website. yes

, now it is just online and it is already perceived as the only forbes brand. yes, of course. the post of mrs. natalka makogon, a former communications officer, is a legendary woman of the kyiv subway who wrote on her facebook page that someone apparently made an appointment with a family doctor and went through a video consultation . in fact, she talked about what she found in her account in the health medical system and appointments with doctors that she did not make , and also later it turned out that similar problems were in her husband's record, and the most interesting thing is that under this tail there were many , quite a lot of comments, now there are more than two hundred of them from other users who also wrote about a similar problem that records appear in houses and about which the current principals use the spirit, and the first thought was, of course, evil, which

barvina, in principle, lasts as long as a physical war, but it can be for not everything was confirmed, on the one hand it was much simpler and on the other hand it was more difficult in essence. case housey stole it, it didn't even steal it, it made visible a big systemic problem in the digitization of ukrainian health care, in short , he checked his records just for the sake of curiosity. there are some unusual visits. and i have an order, but i asked again, including for the text of colleagues and friends . there was also a note to the doctors that they made, some said listen, i have not gone there for years or not and in general only for that please recover the password and so on. well, the problem is actually so massive. and how the system should ideally work

. it is clear that there are no fake records, but for those people who are very healthy, they do not often go to doctors or use private medicine. mainly hey, how does this system work, and what was the idea? look, houses are one of the four dozen so-called medical information systems or missions. in short, which is an intermediary between the user and the an electronic health care system, i.e. such a state structure into which the state system is actually entered , into which all records of doctors about appointments , visits, prescriptions, etc. are entered and so on and so on and so on so on healthy and other systems display all this data and and it was supposed to simply reflect real visits

to doctors, so the doctor enters incorrectly , incorrect data is impressed. well, i immediately have a question, as if it is so simple, we all have smartphones and there is two-factor authentication, additional passwords, how doctors can put something in there without our consent , e.e., without our confirmation with a button on the smartphone. well, because this is the design. well, that's the problem, that is, they simply did not foresee that such a thing could happen. well, if it's just a technical malfunction, then i think it's easy to fix technologically simple well, programmers need to work, but i understand that somewhere the design was imperfect and they took advantage of this in order to write an article, who did you turn to, how

deeply did you delve into this topic or did you contact with doctors, perhaps their point of view can also be highlighted in some way in the first place. of course, i asked for comments on chaos as the developer of the system . that there are cases of incorrect fake fraudulent records, indicate how to call them, as you want , it turns out to be quite a lot, at least according to the words, again, the lyashka panel turns out to be patients whose wonderful visits were thousands of times more per application, that is, well, this it's clearly not a mistake, it's not a coincidence, it's not a human factor, it's not a coincidence that at least some entries were made. well, this is not just an art form, and someone does it

with some kind of useful idea, who makes money from this, here are these information systems for each such made a visit, or are there specific doctors who enroll the hospital as a whole and increase the budget. in this way , who is the fictional acquirer, so the medical system is now monetized, and it is quite logical , if only because the hospital is more stable a patient is a patient. excuse me, a client is a patient who uses the system, let's say once a year in our country, a month, and on the other hand, it looks like this. let me remind you, in 2018, in ukraine , medical reform and its main principle are taking place. in the credo, money is here for patients , that is, doctors, hospitals, medical institutions receive payment directly for the number

of patients and for the treatment carried out from the national health service and here, well, that is, the benefit is actually two invented bucha and the hospital specifically, which has a general budget that is formed precisely from the number visitors, i don't know for the previous year or for the previous period, and some it systems that, well, at least they turned a blind eye to it, did not notice that it was happening, because this traffic is also important to them and the number of appeals that deputies pass through them about the system, but again, in the system, it does not matter how many manipulations a particular doctor has done in one record. it can be fixed, fixed, some kind of payment, or there can be one single record per month , it can be 1,000 per tariff, it does not affect the tariff at all, well, it remains only then hospitals are interested, that is, not even individual doctors. as far as i understand, although it is possible that there is some gradation within the hospital based on

how many doctors had calls, they already have the ministry of health directly . it is possible to add an additional consent of the patient to what is really happening now, the appointment hmm, what else can be done, well , see, in principle, medical, this is exactly what booking is, the booking system is the same as i don’t know how to book tickets or book hotel, when you equip the hotel, you receive a confirmation from the host that your reservation has been accepted, and what's more, after i rest, i will receive another letter saying how much you enjoyed your vacation , please rate how friendly the owner of this hut was. how clean he was in these information systems, i have never received, after

visiting a doctor, that i was asked how polite or professional the doctor was , that is, i did not see any rating system there, although maybe some have there are many of these systems. yes, this is a good idea in general, it is said in the nssu at the national health service of ukraine, which distributes exactly the funds to hospitals, it is said that approximately 10% of the records are missing when they decide whether to pay or not to pay the funds, that is, they themselves they believe that approximately 10% of all records are fake, it's really millions of records, and i suspect that there are also millions of hryvnias. is it possible to somehow estimate this in money so as not to dilute

it ? of the ministry of health care, which officially announces that only last year, that is, in 2022 , it found more than 16,000 records of repetitions on first-borns. that is, these are family doctors, which made it possible to avoid extra shovels for more than 5 million uah, and there is an even more interesting story that during the inspection of beavers from the market of half a million records of the death of a patient, and thanks to this, the funds were not spent on services for dead souls, you called it and that is, this inspection is also allowed to redistribute 158 million uah, that is, the order of numbers, and according to the ministry of health, this is what it is, but it is two let's say, how many inspection cases are there in fact records that were not made or confirmed and never visited by patients is quite difficult to say, including because

the question is how to leave them, that is, wait, wait. and i understood that the person died , but in the system she continues to go to the doctor to receive some of her own consultations, some procedures to go through such a double reality digitalina and it is real and this was revealed by an inspection of uah 150 million. in this way, they tried to steal, it is good that the bridge was found out. cases against those who were engaged in this. well, not my opinion, this is pure theft and it is necessary to deal with it through the judicial authorities, mrs. valentina, we are running out of time, but i would still like to ask about personal data, after all, our medical information is very sensitive information well, i think that no one would like to know, uh, tell about all their

illnesses to people, well, not close ones. yes, but when doctors enter uh, these fake records instead of you, they have access to your other data. i understand it that way no data protected and not completely. yes, we are now in the case, again, if we are talking about houses and other places, there is no evidence that the information was compromised, the doctors who make the records have the right to access them, that is , they have the right to access them in the system and have the right do something with them. according to the idea, they should do it ethically and so on . well, at least it distorts your medical history. because when you really go to the doctor and the doctor will open your previous records and he will see that uh. if these records are fake, well they will see that you actually have a lot of diseases that you didn't have or a lot of procedures and you went through that you didn't really go through and this can affect your bad treatment, the effectiveness of your

treatment well, and finally, was there any reaction to your article. maybe you didn't write after that until they called you and said we fixed it here found it here arrested someone here detained someone it doesn't happen so quickly unfortunately unfortunately it doesn't happen so quickly but i hope that everything will be better still ahead valentina dudko editor of the department of innovations in the magazine forbes of ukraine edition of forbes ukraine uh, thank you, ms. valentina , for joining in and clarifying this issue for us . good afternoon, this is andriy yanitsky, the host of this program, uh, tomorrow we will see you again in the morning live, we will talk uh as always, we have two guests in the middle, i hope that they will all be able to come, we will talk more about financial topics together

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state regarding odeshchyna, i know that the forces of the south air command did a good job there, and the reports about the downed missiles , let's wait and see what the air forces themselves will report . what i wanted for kyiv, including that. we are already waiting for our military information, but the night was quite disturbing, quite restless , because we have missile threats, of course, on our front in this area remains the biggest threat, as well as those blooming ships that are in although the black sea is an enemy, it is periodically reported that only one missile carrier in the sea of ​​azov had an eight-caliber surface ship on board , most likely it was precisely he who carried out these launches. although submarines can actually shoot and do blouses from the bay of temporarily occupied sevastopol well, of course, the aviation, you know, the books fly, the tactical aviation of the enemy

, so our defense forces are holding the front well, actually, we are also holding our fronts here, starting from agrarian to informational , including mr. serhiy, and do people observe security safety rules, does it still tempt them? here is this beautiful spring weather. i would say how tempting it is, but i won't say it in the wind. to be honest, because i don't have such gentle words. yesterday was more or less calm. i mean with the number of people on the beaches. by the way, there are these signs, they are there, these signs warn about the danger of mines, however , it is a weekend in odessa. because there was quite a large number of people on the shore. i am sure. i really hope that , accordingly, the military command, first of all

, with local authorities and law enforcement agencies, will apply some measures and carry out measures precisely in order to secure people from people, because no one has eliminated the explosive danger of mines, the sea is mined, and that's why it will happen - it's an important problem , of course, i won't predict it, but it's impossible to do, but these shots are true, well, let's just say that there were places where more people came out en masse. the most important thing is that you can blame everything on people's personal responsibility, but i won't do that. for that, there is also a military command. there is a local government. i think that some way out of this situation will be found, because it is, to put it mildly, wrong. the current order of the joint military command of the regional military administration or since last year about the ban on visiting the coast, there will be alternative places for rest - this is something that is already being prepared, as far as

i know, you can go there and rest, on the other hand, we do not forget about the missile threats that i said, that is there is an air-raid alarm signal, you have to go to the shelter here, i think you have to and uh, let's say that the managers and organizers of these alternative places of rest also usually respond to these signals, as was the case last year. by the way, there is enough. last year, people all went to cover, because we can see in kyiv, they are only in the capital, that rockets go down, thank god and glory to the air defense forces, but the fragments fly and can harm and bring a lot of trouble , including so that i hope we will get this situation under control , but they will happen again ask for your help to the people well, let's wait a little, let's wait for the victory of peace and demining of the waters of the black sea. i just think that may 16 is now on the calendar and we already see such a picture. there are already so many

people on the beaches. and what will be ahead. three three months of summer, what is an illustration to your words about how do you hear an air raid alarm, a video from tel aviv, but when was there a threat of attack, when was there if we can show our ukrainian viewers how in israel what people do when they hear an air raid alarm and what in this moment is happening. can we show this video? i actually wanted to say that on the weekend , for example, there were a lot of tourists in lviv , it is very noticeable, the weather was warm and you understand that in general life goes on and people want to go somewhere, for example to lviv somewhere

from vinnytsia or from the same kyiv or maybe even from odesa and a little anyway life is more peaceful in lviv and this is not possible eh this is normal and this is living money for the city this is also important for the economy i absolutely agree with you that's why we talk about the fact that rest is even mandatory and for those for whom there is an opportunity in the first place, the economy must work for that time, we understand this perfectly because our economy is actually our defense and it is the armed forces, the vitality of the armed forces is why everything is clear with this, but here treat your life that way and this some people do of course it's ugly you remember we often talked and talk about the fact that we need to learn to live like israel in constant struggle constant threats that's how it is today so why is it only in words and not in reality i hope