[000:00:00;00] and this is important in order for us to be able to work better so that you can receive better information, so i wish you now already the first hour of the day. i wish you a peaceful day as much as possible right now eh take care eh he is doing his own thing well, stay with us because the next program the verdict with serhii rudenko will continue to be interesting. serhii congratulations, please. congratulations to vasyl. literally in a few seconds , we will start the verdict. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhii rudenko . good day and good health to all. today is may 16, 447 days of heroic resistance. of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers, the russian invaders attacked ukraine on the night of may 16 with e-e missiles of various types and a number of unmanned aerial vehicles. all 18 enemy missile targets were shot down. the night attack on

ukraine, according to ukrainian experts , cost the russian federation at least 120 million dollars. the drone attacked the fsb headquarters in the kursk region. of the russian federation , five wounded this morning kyiv wants to receive 40-50 f16 fighter jets from the allies , the adviser to the minister of defense yuriy said this in the meantime, the russian occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, as of the morning of may 16, the russian occupiers have already lost 1,999,980 people in the line in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 520 orks since the beginning of the great war , the russians have already lost 3,762 tanks in ukraine, 7,348 armored combat vehicles 3150 artillery systems 567 salvo fire systems 316 air defense means 38

aircraft 294 helicopters 6.48 units of motor vehicles 18 ships of boats 973 cruise missiles 2732 drones 410 units of equipment so, daggers against kyiv, the iron dome for ukraine and princess putin, we will talk about the events of this week and the last few days, and especially the last night, for the next hour i want to introduce our guest today - he is a diplomat, politician, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019 pavlo klimkin, mr. pavla good day good health to you and thank you for joining our broadcast e-e congratulations congratulations p serhii glad to be with you and your viewers, mr. pavla , let's start today's shelling

capital because it turned out to be a rather difficult night in kyiv. and only air defense. glorious air defense with the help of our partners, including american ones, saved kyiv from destruction . because there were 16 missiles, of which 6 were daggers. it is difficult to get lost, what in your opinion prompted putin to launch such a massive attack on the ukrainian capital, knowing in advance that if these missiles hit kyiv, some part of the city will simply not exist, it will simply cease to

exist. do not think someone will communicate if they see the destruction, if they see the suffering there, the mentality is completely different, i think yes, these strikes will continue, of course i would like to say that it was the biggest blow and there are fewer chances of such strikes in the future but nevertheless, putin will continue, it is absolutely clear eh the russians will look for the possibility of weakness in our air defense system, they will try to hit the western air defense systems, they will try to weaken them, and understanding that this is our fundamental defense, this is our fundamental defense against their aviation so far, air defense is the main component, since the negotiations about aircraft are still ongoing, there is positive progress, as we understand it, but before

the final decision and the fact that the aircraft will be here in ukraine, it will take some time to hit our air defense systems, but also to intimidate is one of the main strategies kremlin and it will continue because vladimir putin reacts quite sharply to attacks in his direction during the visit of volodymyr zelenskyi's european tour to europe, italy, the vatican, france, germany and great britain zelenskyi spoke a lot about putin when, of course, he was asked about the negotiations that he would have or could hold with the leader of modern russia during a conversation with

journalists in rome. with the russian dictator and what actually came out of this, we'll hear and see what the president of ukraine said, there's nothing to talk about with putin. well, what's there to talk about with him? look, brno. i want to give you an example from my life. in the 19th year, i became president there were many different criticisms, people did not want to talk to putin. and i said, i will . now i will try a dialogue, this is not politics or it did not give me any advantages. i really wanted to end the war. i wanted to find an agreement.

find the format in which we should meet we did everything we did everything i did everything to have a conversation we had a dialogue on the phone we had a meeting in a normal format we exchanged people 110 first people i was very happy we agreed not to shoot and let's do it like this for a while there will be sysphalt and after that we will move on with the daily provocations of mr. pavel, what could have been said by zelenskyi with that last stone that prompted putin to more aggression towards ukraine, well, it means including the shelling of kyiv, you were in the negotiation process with of the russian federation, how does putin react when

they are trying to stab him in some way ? i think that putin carefully follows what they say about him, he is personally sensitive to that , but the president of ukraine says what every ukrainian can and wants to say, in this sense, he broadcasts the emotion of the ukrainian nation, and i perfectly understand that of all of them, some emotional moments that arise from that, this is a very real emotion, our common emotion, and i believe that the time when we are there thinking and looking at what and how to say is over. i think that we should speak from the heart, speak from our

mind, we should say what we think in fact, this is our truth and our mission, and even when the west tries to say something in a political sense, and in relation to putin , we still have to speak as we understand it, as we feel, and i think that putin has already finally understood how ukrainians before him they think, maybe he had some illusions, who called illusions or his special services, or maybe someone here in ukraine medvedchuk, i don’t know anymore. but nevertheless , ukrainians have no sympathy for putin and not for putin’s russia or something russian on

today there are no real emotions and we have this emotion and we deserve to be able to speak the truth and what we feel like again. i believe that the main reason for these strikes is an attempt to intimidate ukrainians, the main reason is an attempt to beat according to our opinion, since it defends ukraine and does not allow the russians to use massive russian aviation, the strengthening of our military is one of the key tasks today and in the future and in the future after the war , since either putin or some russian the regime there will not disappear and we will need to restrain it, and restrain it so that we feel safe, and i believe that this is also very important for the west to understand. and how to not just restrain russia, but proactively

respond to all these russian attacks, that is why i absolutely support the president of ukraine in that he says about his emotion and the emotion of ukrainians, he literally agrees with the project of closing the sky over ukraine, this project should become one of the main ones, and maybe it should be called the big sky, or at least by analogy, large-scale construction and in this way to protect ukrainians from the missiles of daggers and shaheeds of the russian federation at the same time. let's return to zelenskyi's visit to european capitals , and it seems to me that it is not the first time at the beginning of the great war . zelenskyi met with the pope because he met with other leaders of european countries and earlier, but

he met with pope francis for the first time, and we know that before that the pope spoke about the fact that he is making a lot of efforts to be in ukraine peace, although in public we have seen the pope's statements that he tried to compare ukraine and russia and that both sides should stop according to your opinion , were zelenskyi's talks with the pope successful once, because judging by what zelensky said, there is nothing to negotiate with putin, and pope francis seems to have been determined to push zelensky to negotiate with putin. pope francis. he proceeds from the fact that some human relations as he understands on

the basis of world writing should be the basis for all the negotiations. of course, we are not against it, but putin is a completely different reality , and putin's russia is a completely different reality. and the entire russian elite and agree. and the absolutely dominant majority of russians do not see us as ukraine and do not see us as ukrainians, they see us or as russia, but some such sick russia is wrong, what is it like to manipulate the west? well they invent anything or see as anti

-russia what putin wrote in his famous article about ukraine. and this is part of the russian ideology of the so-called russian squeals . maybe someday it will change in a generation, but it will not change. neither tomorrow nor the day after tomorrow , but there are no prospects for negotiating with putin . about what about some humanitarian aspects of course it is important we have a grain yes broadcast here we are talking about the exchange of prisoners about other such humanitarian things and i think that if pope francis wants to join that he should talk about how he can and wants to help the humanitarian sphere in relation to the sphere of politics or better to say geopolitics , of course i see a role for the world throne in

some possibilities to speak er probe but today i do not see the vatican as some er effective and specific of the mediator and this is due to the fact that the leaks are also a personal position. as far as i understand pope francis , let's live like some soviet cartoon. volodymyr zelenskyi was able to communicate personally and convey this emotion to pope francis. i think it is very positive, now the people who come out understand our, our plans, our ambitions, but they also understand that we are not ready to make concessions, of course, any kind of process

. conversations, consultations in the future, if it ever arises. and now i don't see any conditions or prerequisites for him , of course he will also demand that we communicate with all parties involved. the catholic church is definitely important here, but we will again today i see the role of the vatican. perhaps in humanitarian matters, but i am very skeptical of the vatican in political matters. today mr. pavlo is to arrive in kyiv for the first time since the beginning of the great war in russia against ukraine.

a peace plan that offers or a peaceful vision. i don’t know how to call it correctly , because on february 24, 2013, i will leave. he made public his vision of what is happening in ukraine, it was not peace. tour, as they announce, to promote peace negotiations, and then he will go to the russian federation and the eu. is it possible to perceive what happened in kyiv tonight as a preparation by moscow for the inclination of zelensky, by the chinese representative, to some version of the peace plan, because well, moscow usually does this, it first fires at the ukrainians and then says well, in principle, we are ready for some kind of negotiations there , of course, i think that it can be followed, and it can be perceived that way in the kremlin, they perfectly understand that

the chinese representative will be in kyiv today. in general, their tactic is to first raise the stakes and threaten, and then, when they receive the change, they start to talk somehow, but in this case it is not about someone starting to talk to them. i think that they actually spoiled the chinese representative to a large extent, and his conversation is of course not the point. the point is there won't be any problems, but the atmosphere was still spoiled. i also believe that these first conversations will be overwhelming for the chinese, they understand very well that today, as i said , there are really no chinese people either understand that we are preparing for military

operations yes, a counteroffensive and for many other things, the chinese also understand the military situation and they allow that if at some point the military situation creates at least minimal prerequisites for negotiations, then they will be ready, then they will build the necessary personal relations, then they explain the logic of their actions and you are absolutely right p . sergey that today there is no chinese peace plan, there is a certain vision of the principles, as they say, the settlement is general principles, they can be interpreted broad enough, but the plan is something that involves a sequence of actions and an obligation to carry them out, as well as guarantees of summer implementation , so far there is nothing like this even remotely from china, and i think that the chinese do not

want to put it forward now. but why do they do this publicly, the chinese also understand that they are almost unique today in terms of possible influence on russia without economic support from china in today's reality, i will not say that russia will collapse immediately, but it will it is extremely difficult, this will fundamentally change the economic conditions for russia, china does not need the collapse of russia today, but the victory of russia is by no means necessary for china , a weakened russia that is going to talk to china from the position of a junior partner a couple of days ago, french president macron already said that russia suffered a geopolitical defeat

, now you have salam china, i don’t think that now it ’s about complete fun. except for the status of a vassal. well, look at what is happening today in russia. so, a bank deposit in yuan, you go to a store, everything is chinese, you go there to buy a car, everything is also chinese. if it is not smuggling, and in the end, the question arises. in principle, it is not chinese , especially since now they are trying to focus on nuclear power over all other things, but then the question arises that they are fundamentally dependent on china, on chinese technologies and on the money

they receive for resources exported to china, and by the way, this is a very difficult situation for us, if someone in the west , like macron, believes that they have already won a global geopolitical victory, and then russia can be pressed for a rather long period , so to speak, evolutionarily, not exactly as they pressed the soviet union, but something like for us it is a fundamental problem since we see how there are problems with the discussion of sanctions and here there are, i really hope that the g7 summit that will be held at the end of this week in japan will still bring us real positive steps and progress that european so far, i see the union of the south raising rates very cautiously towards this attitude, and above all, japan will raise rates , because of course we need a victory

not only military, we need a global victory over russia, only the military component, only the military dimension, despite all its importance, will not give the opportunity will not give us a chance to comprehensively defeat russia , it should be economic isolation, it should be sanctions, it should be restrictions on technology , there should be psychological pressure and an agreement to arrest putin by the international criminal court and this story is actually very, very important for us, and the context with the chinese understanding of their position, their understanding of our position, and that it was not simply based on official er, some declarations. he was the ambassador there for 10 years, he knows

both the weaknesses and the strengths of today 's russian regime. and i think that this visit is actually very important for us, let him be a sounding board for today and the chinese also doesn't just come a couple of days before the meeting. exactly where exactly seven and around that exactly a lot. as you can see what is happening , we have key things that are important to drive the nails, so to speak, in relation to which of course it is military aid and financial, well, perfectly understood, but also the future security model for of ukraine i consider one of the most critical issues because without feeling safe , we will not be able to develop, we will not be able to secure investments, internal and external , we will be forced to keep very large armed

forces and the security sector, it is different there calculations but someone says there that 400, someone says 500,000, but imagine we now have more than 30%, well, depending on how we look at our up, what we should spend during the war on security and defense, and this is absolutely correct history but after the war, we need to develop as a country, as a nation, we cannot spend conventionally only half as much in nato countries, there is a discussion there, about two percent, and if we spend there about 15, imagine how it affects the entire life of the country, so this security will be a model for you, of course discussed during the summit, but it is important for us that china perceives the future security model for europe, this is also a very, very

important story, so i am repeating this visit , although it is probing, but it is nevertheless important , but mr. pavla. he will not go to france, germany and poland , but to great britain, and to the united states of america, because the united states of america and great britain are playing a game in the current situation and in support of their support of ukraine a decisive role, that is, these are decisive countries, but well, the chinese are so simply pushing back their spheres of influence and trying to demonstrate diplomatic, to demonstrate that well , the anglo-saxons are one thing, and germany and france

are completely different. i agree with you, but there is another answer to the special author. and they chose for that chief chinese diplomat, the head of the international department in the central committee of the communist party of china, the former minister ivan, and a few days ago he spoke for two days while meeting in vienna with biden's adviser from national security asks jakon sullivan, that's why the chinese simply speak on a different level with the americans. well, of course, you could have gone to london, that's it. let the chinese decide for themselves . i'm the chinese mentality. the united states is the main one in this american-british tandem and that with the americans they are already detailed and exclusive and

have held negotiations and now the special agent is going to us, he is going to europe and you see he is just going to key countries. he is going to germany, france, but also to poland, which is very important, and then he will be in moscow . look , he will look into the eyes of his old acquaintances. he will be treated today in kyiv and tomorrow, obviously, 16-17 , it was announced, then he will go to moscow, obviously he saw the eyes of not only vladimir putin, but dmitry medvedev, who was once with the president of the russian federation and obviously

he is well acquainted with him, considering that he was the ambassador of china to the russian federation, so medvedev again threatens the world with barrel and jet artillery and hypersonic missiles with which they bombarded us today. attention of the russian federation, let's see what medvedev said, our patience is not infinite , there are limits to dear compromises, if legal institutions do not work, it is precisely the change that comes express the will of a particular state and not the will of a number of countries. there is no reason to obey the decisions of legal structures that have outlived themselves or will end up discredited. and if international conventions are not applied and recognized

court decisions are not implemented, then barrel and rocket artillery work and hypersonic missiles even fly, that is, mr. pavlo i i understand that medvedev proposes to solve all the conflicts that arise in the world with weapons, and russia is a state that does not produce, well , its main products are weapons, fear and death, what the russian federation can produce no more than that when the whole world is moving forward and thinking about how to improve people's lives. the russian federation is thinking about how to kill these people and make , as he says there, domination, or he says that everyone reckoned with the will of a particular state, and how can you characterize this this is the ideology that they constantly reproduce and it is clear that we call it racism, but