[000:00:00;00] it is better not to delay, i will take a very clear position here that it is necessary to immediately take as much as possible from there for 3-4 to 5 years no more, because as soon as this fog of war settles, russia will outplay and do something to stop this flow of money russia is not germany which paid reparations for tens of years, russians are people who do not have a basic understanding of the word honor, who lack the word dignity even in relation to themselves, and russians are just criminals in a square who will definitely not pay these reparations until is the moment when the threat of an even greater punishment on them will disappear than what they did to us, that's why i see big problems with this , we need to speed it up as much as possible. well, it's as simple as

possible. some dwarf, about 258 billion is not enough. it is extremely small, it is not even a quarter of what they have to pay, and ukraine must act very hard and strongly here. well, look, when khoderkovsky condemned the money for himself for yukos. he went in and found public funds of the russian federation abroad, 500 billion dollars, this is the first tranche, this should be the first tranche, which should go to the ukrainian budget for reconstruction, to help the families of the dead, to help the disabled, it should go to help the ukrainian economy, not 8 billion, it should be for hryvnia support, support for the ukrainian business business was destroyed simply by russian missiles and tanks absolutely they should spend tens of hundreds of billions of dollars to support business to support our state infrastructure facilities to support reconstruction that's what we have to do it, i am more than sure that we will do it because greece will be ours if we do not rebuild and pay for this war with russian money, and they will

try to bribe, that is, the person on whom the signature will depend in ukraine and will offer tens of billions of personal they will be offered profit, political prospects will be offered different cases of combinations, if only they would refuse to pay hundreds of billions for ukraine, but this is the money that will help us just like rockets to break out of this poverty zone will help us break out of this very zone of the past where we were dragged by russia because if you look at the war and the ukrainians were a super-technological nation and the war had to buy a machine , you understand. to buy kalashnikov assault rifles for the same money and destroy businesses and go to war, that is why it is actually very important for us that they pay and it is even more important that they pay and as an element of revenge and education of the russians so that they know that aggression costs

expensive, because if they are not made to pay, it is very expensive to decolonize them, they will be attacked. in two or three years, the task is to divide them in the same way that fascist germany was divided, both territorially, geographically, and just from the point of view of finance, so that the next 30 years are not what they thought who should be attacked so that they think that they will eat, this is the task , and if we leave 250 billion, what was swindled there, they are now negotiating 250 billion, this is not a check. but they hit us with more missiles than we now want to take from them, well, look how much it will be now the cost of rebuilding all these coppers, starting from borydanka and ending with donbas, kherson oblast, kharkiv oblast, sumy oblast, how many arrivals were there and what do we want to say that it is 250 billion , no way no, that is why the amount should increase, therefore it should increase, it is good that this register exists, it must be filled, it must grow it should increase with a russian shot. well, once again, you need to look at the calculations, not only western, but also ours. we also need to have several institutions

that will count and civil type there the kyiv school of economics started, the minister of economics began to count, but they will not stop there, we must raise the check of their responsibility as much as possible . thank you, mykola, for participating in the program. and facebook for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook, please like this video so that it can be promoted in the trends of these social networks. and subscribe to our social networks at telegram, facebook, instagram, we are everywhere on twitter, and you can read our news on i recommend you to read them on our website espresso tv, we work for you 24 hours a day, seven days a week, the fastest news from ukraine in the world, a timer, everything is on our website

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different versions of why russia went to ukraine now it turns out that they have come to the point that they will already defend themselves from us and this is the main purpose of the so-called ied, what does this mean? well, it means that very simply, i will explain what it means that the same narrative put forward by putin is russian . this is his a criminal clique about the fact that ukraine is, in general, the ukraine of today is a threat to the existence of russia, that is, an independent ukraine, you see the narrative that putin continued in his articles, starting with another one that he wrote, that ukraine should not have existed as a state at all, and this is about it surkov also wrote who worked for putin, was his assistant there, and so on. video and medvedev wrote about it to businessmen like this. that is, this is what they write , there are many people there.

what they write and what they now have in their heads is the same nara , it is preserved, it has not changed at all, in fact, nothing new, they constantly appeal that regardless of the country, it should not be an exclusively artificial state, the goal of which is the destruction of russia, do you understand the logic they in in their understanding there is no awareness of the fact that there are people who have united in their state, which has historical roots, which has developed , which has its own language and its own special abilities, which differs from the peoples who inhabit russia , not from the russian people, but from the peoples who inhabit us at a distance, which is radically different and wants to live on his own land as he wants. as this, as this people will decide for themselves, these are our questions. they think that everywhere there is a state and everywhere there is such a psychology that

it is necessary to go to someone from a neighbor to take something away something to take away that this should be the imperial ideology and that is why they constantly talk about it. that is, they are confused and they cannot change and survive with the very fact of the existence of ukraine, a state that has taken place, a state that is clearly moving towards european integration, which is moving towards a european common which, with the rest, also demonstrated good success in its development in different periods there, reese, it happened in different ways. but these are our questions, and that's why they care about ukraine, and you know , for them, ukraine is always er, let's say it's always something that can be thrown at the russian in other words, don't tell society that you have some kind of internal problems. no, we don't ask why someone lives somewhere in siberia, uh , he burns wood or coal, does he have a gas field next to uh, from which you can draw and supply gas, it's not important it does not matter, this life, you think that ukraine can attack you and take away

your firewood and coal , you understand, that is, it is also your dugouts. to justify in the person of russian society, this aggressive war of aggression, among other things, propagandists in russia convince the russians that they have nothing to lose, in particular, simanyan says that it is necessary not to smoke bamboo, as she said, in the villages, but to go there and return to the hero, they say. in ukraine , there is no difference at all that hundreds of thousands of people die in various extraordinary events that take place in russia. let's see how simonyan brainwashes russians who want

to enter there without a day a settlement that is called smoking bamboo where there is no work where there is no opportunity to show yourself to go there and return as a hero yes, of course , it is a life with a risk near life, that is a risk for life, a prohibited life every time you sit down for a role you risk life every time we go out on we risk our lives on the street. every time we stay here, under these huge lamps that hang on one, we risk our lives. yes , of course, rice for life for the war is higher on the one hand, on the other hand. году тяжёлых боёв смутроной межать неже than what we had in the year of the invitation, it's a pity, well, that is, with consciousness, in general, they have a complete hook, i understood that the death rate is very high, but today the indicative figure is for russians. well, i don't know if it's for russians or for ukrainians

it is true that 200,000 more than 200,000 russians died in ukraine during the 15 months of the great war, and this is the largest result in europe since the end of world war ii, that is, in the last 80 years, this is the largest loss, that is, for any civilized country, it would be a disaster for of any head of a european state or another state, this would probably lead to some tectonic shifts in society itself, but for the russians, this is not a loss , the russians are ready to put and leave people here in greater numbers, why according to your society in russia does not react to this, and it is understandable that there are more than 100 million of them, it is clear that they are obviously brainwashed there. well, but the figure of 200,000 should have sobered even those who have never been sober and have never been, well, look at

what the situation of the evaluators incites and urges such that who obeyed me if show that queues have now appeared in the russian military commissars, someone has volunteered and is running a head-on war. there are no such ones. pay attention to the peculiarity of the russian mobilization, despite the propaganda and ideological pumping of volunteers, they could not gather. and those who were able to, they have all already been exhausted, that is, the limit has already been exhausted they are either already destroyed or they are fighting somewhere and so on, and they do everything from under a stick, that is, without actually without a whip, so this common man is actually going to fulfill this military duty. yes, he cannot, yes, in recruiting, that is all the same, you need to look for a line up, come up with different meetings, come up with mobilizations, of course. maybe if semenyan and her husband would set an example , they would put on aviators, put on the military uniform of a gymnast and go ahead now with a checker at

a gallop in the bakhmut direction with this as his genocidal to these journalists from krasov, that too right away i think that they would be met there, well, not with hugs, but in a different way, with bullets, and maybe there would be more mentally healthy people on the planet, in particular, and there would be no one in russia to wash the bridges, so i will tell you that despite all the millions, well, i will say it again , we have mobilization potential, i am quoting the puck , in russia, we mean 25 million, we can have them, so the question arises. in russia what do you need to carry out additional mobilization, well, that is, i don't agree with me if you say that

everything is fine with you. again from under the stick to announce another company and take recruits, which means that this system is failing somewhere, that there is a propaganda picture, and this is an ideological one, in principle, it is present somewhere and it affects someone. and the majority , it seems to me, are now ready to verbally support and they will shout we are for by putin means ukraine is a crane against russia, and they don't want to go to war, why? well, because the information still differs about russian losses at the front, about the conditions in which they serve, about the fact that those who try to surrender are thrown into a pit for 20 days or deserting about what is wrong with the game and about the fact that the uniform is of poor quality and so on. and this information, well, it cannot be stopped despite censorship in russia, according to the article about the discrediting of the army, etc., it still diverges and that is why it affects a certain perception

of someone what it is better to hide somewhere, to avoid getting to the front. but of course, if you ask this person to look at her page on social networks, she will shout for putin and for russia. and we go on like this, that is, but i see such tendencies that they are trying to fight to recruit, but the number of those who want to recruit is not visible. well, it is possible that there will be even fewer of those who want to recruit when the united states of america declares russia a state sponsor of terrorism, for the first time in recent years, united states secretary of state anthony blinken admitted that russia can be recognized as a state sponsor of terrorism he told us about this at the hearings in the committee of the united states senate on china , he was asked why we cannot

do this, in particular, the republican senator linzi graham, he did not insist on the need to declare russia a state sponsor of terrorism, to which blinke himself said that never say never well, having made it clear that it could be yours that restrains the united states of america for the second time to declare russia a state sponsor of terrorism with all the legal and the economic consequences that could be affected, including the guidance of the russian people to putin, you know what i will tell you. it seems to me that we have passed this stage , that's what state secretary blinking says it's never too late. it's okay, but i think it's now. that is, we've already gone through it. we need more and more, because i'll explain why . because these are the statements that were made during

the meeting of the foreign ministers of the g7 in japan. at the level of the seven a major powers, what statements and proposals were heard, and garden wrote about this, and not only about the fact that a full economic embargo should be imposed on russia , excluding the most necessary humanitarian substances, medicines, there, er, related to some critical food products, and that's it if the united states would link its decision to declare russia a state sponsor of terrorism with the imposition of an embargo and encourage the members of the big seven to do so, i think this would amount to colossal, extremely serious, let's say, economic losses and losses to russia, and here i was in front of me mykola davydiuk, a political scientist, i heard your conversation a bit, and he said that they should reach

a state where it will be difficult for them to think where to get food there and so on to eat, until that state, this would have an impact if there was such an embargo and if these decisions were connected, it would have colossal colossal effects, because yes, this decision in itself is for today. well , what motivates the americans to say that, in principle, it will be a political statement that will not have the effect of the sanctions that in principle, it has already been imposed on russia , it is not so tough, but to achieve an embargo. that is, why i say that we have passed something because we have already passed several stages of sanctions and this process is constantly ongoing, secondary and so on. it is necessary to go a little further. well, that is, to go to the next stage, which will be quite tough and painful for russia, and that's when they

will start having serious problems, which are related to the so-called hunger riots and the situation that was in the early 1990s in russia, when they appealed, at the same time, the official russian authorities appealed to the united states for aid, to provide humanitarian aid and so on, because there was a certain crisis period of actions. of course, this would have certain consequences, as it seems to me it is already necessary to connect with this and i think that our diplomacy should work on this. and our diplomacy, in particular , because at the summit of the ministers of foreign affairs of the seven - this was said. unfortunately, the idea did not receive support . at least from the british and americans, it was stated that if the united states were to adopt this now, it would be quite a serious reinforcement, but in

the context of such massive, devastating sanctions against russia, against this background, the head of the state duma of the russian federation, vyacheslav threatens world leaders with an international criminal court, says that they are people from the past and it is they who are to blame for the current war, we will hear from volodin as for macron biden, zelensky - schultz, these people from the past will not be in the future beautiful world, because they did everything to return to make ukraine a training ground for peace and war, and they are not asking for it, citizens, and you will see that their age is politically short-lived, we will be witnesses with you when their offspring are retired, and

then this international criminal court awaits the speech is a little reminiscent of this phrase from moscow, tears do not believe that soon there will be no cinema. the theater will not have continuous television, but the same thing , the owner says that there will be no one in the world except russia and we will rule everything here, they will rule according to you, mr. oleksandr, this fool constantly and one by one they include whether they really believe in what they say and rebroadcast, well, that is, during these 20 years of putin’s stay in power, well, it’s just that everyone is already convinced that what putin says and what the television says, well it fully corresponds to the picture of the world that is in front of them, but they pump themselves

up . i would have thought that despite the fact that they diverge, in particular, due to the mismanagement and improper use of land, in particular, in siberia, as the forests there burn systematically almost every year, is it worth moving there, which is even better, i don’t know, even if you believe the skewed logic patrosheve, when it is owned, others start talking. do you understand all this, it is the rhetoric of the absolutely 19th century of the state that thought it was progressive, but you know how they thought that they were progressive because they make good wagons and horses are well shod, and at that time there was germany, there were other countries that did they start laying iron and, in principle, they were moving forward at the same time. the russian empire itself said that well, we

are there, which means, again, the pope with waxes and so on. ago this is about the same, it has remained, ignore the progress around education, ignore the progress of thoughts, the progress of science, the progress of everything that happens in general in certain approaches , ignore at all what is changing , the society is transformed in the world of the state and the like, and protect this sloppiness , what is in them because they can't offer anything, you know, if they could come out and say, we offered , for example, a better program for the development of mars than elon musk and demonstrated it on the facts. reached, well, they would say yes, well, do they see something in the future, or if they said that they have developed now, i don’t know there, e.e. , a ship, an airplane, that they made some kind

of innovative program, and so on, that they took care of the preservation of some kind of nature, that kind of thing, all these trends that are currently being discussed in the world there is none of this, instead they come out and say we are offering you a war and why is the war going on well, because the war is going on because we are really ahead but these archaic ones mean they want to attack us, it happened in history that the barbarians ah, they thought that they were more progressive, it happened more than once, and uh, they thought that they could be successful than with the rest of civilization, but i want to remind you that despite the fact that the barbarians really have to be recognized, sometimes they had certain successes and even in individual wars, society still did not lives according to barbaric laws and principles, except for russia now, but still strives for uh, in principle, in civilization , starting with ancient rome and so on , that is why they are obviously in a losing situation, but because they constantly feed the society

with this nonsense conspiracy uh with some thoughts that russia is needed by everyone and everyone wants to seize it, destroy it, and so on , that's why they can't just get off this stupid program from this program, it has somehow become this program code by which we must move. and what they are appealing to, sorry, owned by the international criminal court , well, i guess russia should definitely not talk about it, at least because they have not ratified the rome statute and they flatly refuse to cooperate with the international criminal court, so briefly p oleksandr one piece of news, the permanent representative of ukraine to the un , serhiy kislytsia, wrote that on thursday, russia will convene the un security

council to condemn in quotation marks the supply of weapons to ukraine . well, once again, use this platform to impose your wrong ideas for stories about what you see , nato helps ukraine, supplies weapons, he has already started to cry. daggers killed those who should not be beaten by ideas, and it is not the fact that they are attacking ukraine that is to blame, but the west that supplies weapons, that is , use for manipulation , is to blame for this, but i want to tell you that manipulation is not really enough. frankly, in this situation, just a clown. but if we talk more globally about the exclusion of russia from the un, i still think that according to the results of this war and the processes that will follow, this structure will be reloaded. it is a matter

of time. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation. this there was oleksandr musienko, a political expert, head of the center for military and legal studies, friends, i am saying goodbye to you until tomorrow at 18:00 we will have roman bezsmertny , a politician, a diplomat and the former ambassador of ukraine to belarus , we will talk about belarus , the pro-russian-ukrainian war and the meeting of the un security council well of course if this meeting will take place thank you all bye see this week in the program judicial control with tatyana shustrova robbery and threats of beating how the lodger of the nettle judge attacked the journalist espresso information was entered to the unified register of pre-trial investigations so why did the pechersk court oblige the prosecutors to close the proceedings in the case of bankir laguna on the 23rd what is it about watch thursday , may 18 at 16:40 the judicial control program with

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