[000:00:00;00] now in the conversation, i will just add that there is updated information from turkey, now not only in odesa, but turkish ships will also be able to enter the ports of mykolaiv and olbia . this is the situation with the grain corridor. we will say goodbye to you until tomorrow and then the broadcast will continue with the verdict serhiy rudenko glory to ukraine is a program, my name is serhiy rudenko. good day and good health to all. today, may 17, 448 is the day of heroic sports of the ukrainian people . in the morning, the russian occupiers were targeted by the enemy in a hospital in boryslav and in a high-rise building in kherson. the white house is currently does not confirm

the defeat of the patriot anti-aircraft missile complex in ukraine, which was reported by the kremlin, at the same time the secretary of state of the united states of america anthony blinken admitted for the first time that russia can be recognized as a state sponsor of terrorism, meanwhile , the russian occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment as of the morning of may 17, the russian the occupiers have already lost 200,590 people in ukraine in just the last day , the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 610 orks since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost 377 tanks and 7,365 armored personnel carriers in ukraine cars 3,166 artillery systems 600,562 projective salvo fire systems 318 air defense means 38 airplanes 294 helicopters 6,067-11 vehicles 18 ships boats 982 cruise missiles 2748 drones 417 units of special

equipment russia verbally destroyed the patriot peaceful huey africa rushes to putin's help in about it and we will talk about other things during the next hour. i want to introduce today's first guest - he is a political scientist, the author of books on how putin's propaganda works and how to make ukraine successful mykola davidyuk p mykola good day good health to you and i am glad to see you on our broadcast good day very, very much to each other so let's start with this story with the patriots because russian propaganda has been spreading the story for the second day that they hit the anti-aircraft missile system petri and the production of the united states of america in the united states do not confirm the destruction of the patriot in ukraine, however, according to some information, the complex may have been damaged at the same time, and the spokesman of the air force of ukraine

, yuriy ignat, said that the hm e petriv it is impossible to destroy with one blow even if it is a rocket dagger ignat noted that the division is a command post in which the combat service monitors air targets and receives information about the air situation in the area of ​​​​its responsibility, which is being pursued by russia for your purpose, which tells about what they say once upon a time, putin undermines the air defense of ukraine, they want to somehow devalue our success in shooting down the daggers of this hypersonic missile, which putin was so proud of. well, actually, quite a few of them and the competition of two air defense systems, soviet and western. well, the second thing is the struggle of brands. putin positioned the daggers as super sonic, supersonic. well, but they

are not like that. well, the patriots showed that they beat them. the third thing is just a show before the arrival of the chinese representative arrived in ukraine well, we send putin such a message in the press , look, we shot down petriv, but putin should be understood, well, it's the second year of the war. well, here you are , the eighth year of a large-scale war in ukraine, that there are no patriots, no patriots can't be destroyed with russian daggers . well , this is just the thing that he couldn't hide his stupid old bald head. this does not quite correspond . i think that in his education they have already beaten two dozen of these petrs, but in fact the situation looks as follows

. petri complexes, that is, which are now considered the coolest in the world, the safest, which shoot down even super hypersonic missiles . well, this is just a demonstration of the fact that putin, who in the 18th year, remember during the election campaign, told about the fact that there is a super missile that can means to keep the whole world under control, the night turned out to be nothing but another russian fake, and which has no basis, no basis, and is just as easily misled . moreover, these shellings are especially the day before yesterday they were called , let's say, to load the entire system at the level of the crash test, that is, in addition to the daggers, other weapons and rockets and drones actually flew in order to see how much it could

withstand how it can withstand well, this was just an attempt to load the system to the maximum in order to understand its weak points, they found that there are no weak points anymore , and it is their dispersal . again, the americans confirmed and ours said well, if there were some fragments flying somewhere yes, but let's not confuse two two garbage cans on a swindler and the fact that they hit a system that they would like so much to even calculate they can't even calculate them they are all over the place you see the city being shot at, even if you find out where they are . well, none of this happened, and the russian history of propaganda, it looks very weak now, and what’s more, everyone now understands that russia transferred the technologies for the production of these missiles, they are soviet technology of china, and even if tactically they wanted

to win a victory that they did not win, to destroy the patriot, but they lost strategically, these daggers will soon fly against russia , they gave the technology to their worst geopolitical enemy, and who is tactically now playing with russia, because he does not want autocrats in the world to lose. yes, and this left block they are building, but these missiles will fly to russia in daggers made in china using russian technology, they will fly over moscow, but it is good that kyiv has petri systems, they can catch them and in russia does not exist if they let drones fly over their roofs and buildings, well, on the one hand, there is a strange story about the kremlin yes this drone, and on the other hand, i have enough drones that flew to st. petersburg, that flew to transnistria, that flew to crimea, that all of them flew to three much-suffering regions, that is, all this is a demonstration that there is no protection at all in russia. and now they have given the most powerful weapon to their enemies, well, we can congratulate them on this, stupid

primitive solutions have always been special characteristic of russian leaders. i will ask you as a specialist in russian propaganda about russia's information and psychological special operations . this is one of the important elements of russia's war against ukraine and the hybrid hybridity of the war waged by the kremlin. months, how did this ipso change and how it changes with the beginning of the great war, how much what they did before and what we are observing during the last 15 months , how different it is, it is blowing up a lot you can clearly and clearly see how russia is blowing up, how this flywheel of propaganda is blowing up, there are no new ideas, there are no fresh ideas, there are no bright ideas , well, even what would you call people who are ready to take it, part

of it is hiding ? utter a nuclear quail about a burnt-out britain. there are no states. he hid. this anton simenyanovsky was running around somewhere , making several statements, but then he also got scared. well , simonyan himself, too, when the sails were lowered , i think that in fact russian propaganda i understood what a monster they had created. but this sowing of propaganda is probably from the soviet space in europe. well, this was actually work for fascism, they understood that they will be responsible for it in the same way as putin who gave criminal orders and as soldiers who committed war crimes well, that's why they understood her, and now she's even trying to step aside a little bit, giving, er , these super budgets and super attention to some other people, and again, no one in particular wants to pick up because everyone they understand that this is a short story that has come to its logical conclusion. and ukraine also demonstrates that if we gave putin

warrants for the genocide of children, why don't we do something like that, like in roland radio 3,000 elms when they were responsible for war crimes for propaganda well, and they understand that we will make them answer for this, they know it for sure, that is why they are hiding. well, secondly , ukraine also began to behave not like a victim . ukraine began to behave like a hunter in the room, and we began to catch up with them, and very hard and strong. for example, today a campaign was launched against telegram, which actually leaks information to the russian special services, and also one of the propaganda tools of the telegram channel, which is the number one source of news in ukraine, not ukrainian channels , not ukrainian, i don’t know, there are no bloggers there ukrainian social networks or there, well, on other platforms, even a russian social network is the number one source of news. well , shame on you, who are we fighting against? well, that ’s right, durov denied it. no, that’s not true at all.

the russian telegram channel is reliable, it is oppositional well, today it was discovered that bach was written by the western press, well, again, bach is so conventionally named. it is just a loophole for the russian special services, which on certain types of computers and access to the camera and microphone telegram easily allows. that is you are sitting. you have telegrams in your phone or computer, and they can listen and watch you. well, this is not a job for the special services, if by chance they forgot to close the camera. a call from new york to los angeles and this call went through a server in st. petersburg, firstly , they said that there are no servers in st. petersburg , and secondly, why did this call go through st. petersburg ? telegram is really oppositional and now we see that this story is unfolding because we behave more actively, we advance, we force them to make mistakes, moreover, we understand, we

know that the ukrainian truth sounds louder and better and the world wants to hear it than the russian one propaganda, so i think that the situation has changed because we did not sit idly by for 8 years , we banned their social networks. its field is a field of lies and propaganda, but we played with other tools, we played with the truth, and this is just the best demonstration of how other countries should act, who take an example from us, and there are such cases, you publicly wrote that you closed your account on telegram , that's right, it's related to the fact that what do you advise our viewers, that is, i, like all social networks, be watching more espresso channels, subscribe to the youtube channel , subscribe to the facebook channel, but do not

subscribe to russian telegram channels that constantly write lies and disinformation, that throw in special traps that track our feelings and desires through the analysis of large numbers, that is , they understand that ukrainians are afraid of this , dream of this, do this and tomorrow, that’s all it appears in the jelly in its propaganda and they start to sell it all to us and vaporize it. well, i think it is. this is the story when ukrainians say oh, i can't delete telegram because it's convenient. well, ask a soldier who is now fighting under a bachmut in a trench he is comfortable there, for example, when we say that no no fool in the opposition yes in the 17th and 18th year, putin said that durov is the best businessman and an example of the fight against extremism, do you think in putin's eyes we are not extremists, extremists, fascists and terrorists in his we fooled him with our eyes it helps the best of all others to deal with this, so i think that we should give up this network, it’s just not difficult to delete first your account and then

the application from the phone and that’s it. because we seem to be smart people, but when it comes to our personal comfort then we say, well, you know, russia is an enemy, everything is bad, but i'll leave this to myself because i have friends here . well, it doesn't happen like that, if we are already fighting with russia, then we must know her as much as possible. someone goes around hiding a pushkin book in their bosom. in the city of kyiv, they don't want to demolish the monument to pushkin, but it would seem that there is nothing more than agitation and propaganda of russian imperialism in the words of pushkin well, we don't take it down zhadan, well done , drives around and takes pictures. this must be done. you see, we must defeat russia not only on the battlefield, we must dismantle the russian putin regime and the imperial regime, which was actually built long before putin

, but to do this we must really to cross out a part of russia on its territory, and preferably all of russia, we are starting to give up their energy sources, what we are asking from ourselves and from europe we must give up their media we must give up their politicians, what is the opposition party doing in the parliament, why is nestor shufrych the head of the committee on freedom it would seem that the chairman of the committee is the main source of news in the country, so i think that we should beat russia on all fronts , wherever we can, from their goods , businesses, oligarchs, politicians, almost all of this it is necessary to collect the military throw into the dustbin of history because if we use their products medals we will remain their colony and they will always have the right opportunity to come to our territory to kill and prepare us, this is the problem and therefore if we want to really free ourselves and follow our entry track joining nato, joining the eu, joining such large international clubs, then we must abandon this simple primacy, we must

simply become an independent independent state, the one that was once talked about at the dawn of the 90s movement and the country that we were building, but which we began to lose because of corruption, because of lies, because of the oligarchs, that's why i now see that for us, this is a great chance, it happens once in 500 years to clean up, and we must either go through and not tell anyone, you know, 100 will come there 50 years, and the grandchildren will ask dido why did you lose to russia, you know , we used telegram like that. again, regarding the secrecy of correspondence, well, someone writes to the military, someone writes to politicians, someone writes more , that is, but they receive this information. a spy in our country is a durov telegram that he sends to putin, and when durov says that

he is an opposition type. and how did you take the money out? you sold your money, you earned the most , part of the team is always there, and how are you so oppositional? boris nimtsov was in the opposition, yes, he was killed by the very notion that such a valuable business also sounds very strange, the truth of the profession. yes, when all the participants of the forums are on a short leash with a pencil in putin and the kremlin, putin all came at the beginning and said that the whole business will either be mine or nothing else and khodarkovsky sat down, then he is now sitting with 300 million in london , he would be very oppositional, even he does not allow himself to be overly positional there, but like him, a hundred billion dollars were taken away and there were those who were left with such a pittance as for him that's why i don't believe in it, and i'm actually my position in that, both civil and political. here's a military one, because we shouldn't give the enemy any access to us

and explain it comfortably, well, that's definitely not our history. russian now to clean up the country and make it sterile from fascism , if, for example, britain after the second world war had not cleaned out everything fascist, it would still be manipulated by fascist regimes . but they wanted that, they wanted to develop, live and build a strong country. they succeeded, but it was necessary to refuse that there were no excellent german proposals. many politicians and people were given, and you remember what they said on the german radio. well, but they refused it, they destroyed fascism and became confident that fascism had been destroyed . and built the whole of ukraine , this is the same thing that we should do, let's go back to from the humanitarian coalition to the coalition of fighter jets, because volodymyr zelenskyy spoke about it during his european tour in italy, the vatican, france

, germany and great britain yesterday president zelenskyi recorded a video address to the ukrainian people, noted the successes of air defense during the last massive attack and told about international meetings, let's listen to the president 18 out of 18 missiles were shot down and we are constantly working on visits that will bring more opportunities, more petriv system, arrests, crotal hawk, naskomps again and again thank you and to all our partners in the world who helped our country with the appropriate sky defense systems yesterday what we agreed in britain from the decisions of the prime minister that will work on the coalition fighter jets training aircraft, the result yesterday was supported by mr. french president macron

, and today mr. prime minister of the netherlands mark rutte supported it , a good start to the coalition. talk about some kind of peace talks, well, at least the audience, the audience with the pope testified that pope francis wants to convince zelensky to sit down at the negotiating table with putin, we know that over the last year, the pope has been very spoke about this equality, that there are two sides and that they should sit down at the table, that is, without distinguishing between what is the aggressor and who is the victim, well, in this case, ukraine is according to your opinion, these are the efforts that the pope is currently making , the representative china's ambassador who is coming or has already come to kyiv and has talks with the ukrainian leadership , african representatives led by the president of the south african republic, these are all

elements of putin's peace, that is, they are all trying to play on russia's side, or are they still one of them sincerely believes that in this situation they can help ukraine by pushing or showing some other peace plans that were previously apparently considered in the kremlin, look, i think that this is a projection of the chinese peace plan, i still think that putin is no longer playing a role in the peace plan, he is clearly defined as a losing aggressor, just as tomos friedman said, he is the most dangerous fool in the world and everyone understands that to put this fool in his place, you need a bouncer on the street, then there are already so many speaker's backdoors, that's right after all, now the chinese watchman is being led to uh let's say to calm down this fool who has nuclear weapons and which is actually a bigger challenge for the whole world than, for example , even gas challenges, so china took

this initiative, the role of the meeting with macron is, by and large, not just a search of a peaceful solution for ukraine, this is already the beginning of the formation of a certain left-wing bloc between europe and china, and the fact that zelenskyi was in europe. i think this is what it looks like, including the peace circle. what he came to seek peace and the discussion of this chinese plan because all of this coincides with the deadlines from the pope to the arrival of the chinese representative . well, this is a demonstration that we discussed in confirmation of my words, it is clear that they did not communicate about it publicly, but in confirmation of my words, look at the statement of the derlin foundation yesterday in the evening that the world should unite around zelenskyi's peace plan , it would seem that they are talking about a coalition of fighter jets, but here the peace plan comes out like this . that is, this is a confirmation that it was discussed, this is a confirmation that

really er peace- mirna the peaceful track was on the table of er meetings of zelenskyi and this is exactly the story when they try when they still try to probe this peace plan, but at the same time it does not prevent obtaining additional weapons, it does not prevent obtaining support and monetary and financial, diplomatic, any other. i think that russia definitely does not offer its scenarios, so they helped the chinese to impose their standards, and i think that now they will try to promote it. well, i think that china will even be able to offer the return of crimea in the format of hong kong for the only thing for ukraine is that it will have russian conditions, here i see this story from some western diplomats. well, but again , ukraine should not look at chinese history, ukraine should look at its own history, we live in this country, we fight for it and we definitely cannot lose it, not in independence from whoever brought this plan independence from whoever is trying to manipulate us or deceive us the fact that for the west to remove the burden of problems was great, that is good

, but their problems are theirs, we need them ourselves to solve their problems, so we definitely won't give them that and we won't play along in this, but we see that still, on the one hand , the search for fighter jets and the preparation of investing money in the training of our pilots is a confirmation of the fact that fighter jets will be 100%, i will tell you that from the point of view of the european state administration there, it will be considered a crime if you send people for training knowing that you will not give them the objects of use of the e-e for which they are trained , that is, if you were not going to give fighter jets i.e. definitely not sent to training, we are already studying there, the processes of the program have been launched, the guys are passing. well, here they are. therefore, this indicates that the planes will be a matter of quantity, the deadline is very important that before the beginning of the peace negotiations, we received these

planes and quickly advanced , advanced all the territories . but now the strongest story is that they buried themselves, well, regardless of this , we will move through the sky quickly, beautifully and , most importantly, very efficiently with the preservation of the maximum number of lives of our boys this is precisely the basis of the fact that what we need most now is the schedule of the league's visit. russia and europe in europe are poland , france and germany. there is no great britain . well, accordingly, outside the context of these negotiations and the previous negotiations , the united states of america is still which is answered by the former minister of foreign affairs of the people's republic of china, that is, lii-hui, he is doing this european tour without great britain . does this mean that china

is trying to neutralize well in this peaceful plan london because the nubrites always rule the world and even more so in such an issue as aid to ukraine we remember what happened with the tanks, we understand what rishi sunak and volodymyr zelenskyy could talk about, we understand that if the first f-16 planes arrive, then obviously, it could be great britain or some foreign fighters or friends of britain, denmark, for example, which is ready to support us and be a reliable partner for both us and great britain, analysts say that these extra f16s are the ones that can arrive in ukraine as soon as possible are located not far from the beautiful city of copenhagen. actually, i think that this is an attempt by the chinese representative to make a circle through europe and asia, after all, it is the axis of beijing , paris, and these are the results of the meetings between xi jinping

and emmanuel macron. and britain and the united states from peace negotiations and still agree within the framework of the mainland within the framework of eurasia and try to find peace for china is still an important story of the search . this is what i would say. westerners were able to find peace, but china clamped down on the mass media and did everything as the world expected, well, this is their attempt, let's see how successful it will be and how skilled china really is in diplomacy, because china, after all, is not on the world stage. we have not played such games yet . we are making the last geopolitical exits there, this is an attempt to colonize africa and the vietnam war. well, so far we do not see great success here, but in any case, ukraine is at least considering this proposal of ukraine , it will be looked at. well, again, not without consulting its main partners

will react. no one says that ukraine will immediately sign something there and vice versa if there is not there, if there is healthy grain . no one says that it will simply be rejected, but in order to be rejected, it must not be like that there , that is why i see now that these things will happen i see now that they still take place. again, the west does not prevent the arrival of the chinese representative, on the contrary, they are even waiting with some intrigue to see what will happen next. at the summit of the council of europe, representatives of more than 40 countries signed a declaration on the creation of the register of damages caused by russia's war against ukraine. the prime minister of ukraine, denys shmyhal, has already announced this. according to experts, this history with the register will be the first step to bring russia to financial responsibility, namely the mechanism of reparations and compensation for is it clear to you? at the current stage

, what will happen to russia? it is clear what will happen to putin , because the warrant of the international criminal court can only be revoked by the judges of the international criminal court . this e-site is branded according to yours. is it a website or a register of losses? how likely is it that people who lost business in ukraine and three houses in the south-east of ukraine, not only in the south-east, that this register will still work and russia will simply be forced i don't know how to pay there for several tens of years, maybe even 100 years of reparations for ukraine, it's better not to delay in time, i will take a very clear position here that it is necessary to take as much as possible there immediately, 3-4 to 5 years no more, because as soon as this fog of war settles, russia will win and will do so that will stop this flow

of money, russia is not germany, which has been paying reparations for tens of years, russians are people who lack a basic understanding of the word honor, who lack the basic understanding of the word dignity, even in relation to themselves, and russians are just criminals in a square who are definitely not will pay these reparations until the moment when the threat of an even greater punishment on themselves than what they did to us disappears, that's why i see big problems with this, we need to speed it up as much as possible. well, it's as simple as possible. as soon as we can on the account of sums actually because this register that was created there declared such a dwarf figure of 258 billion, it is not enough. it is extremely small , it is not even a quarter of what they have to pay, and ukraine must act very hard and strongly here. well, look at when khoderkovsky denounced the money for himself for yukos he went and found public funds