[000:00:00;00] we will also hear from the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation about this initiative. president amofoza's initiative is plastered. indeed, he called president putin on the phone and put forward this idea . - and similar attacks on the international law on the rights of citizens did not happen . now, at the level of experts , the content of such upcoming contact the dates will be agreed upon, well, on a common basis, as i accept, and now, uh

, in the context of president amafoza's request , the vacancy is in the beginning of june, in the beginning of july. to the team that china, that is, for russia, actually let's go back exactly a year ago, do you remember out of nowhere, one of the leaders of the african union visited ukraine, who even then signaled for the first time that there might be some idea of ​​what she is heated she is heated by the fact that in september ah in the south african republic there will be brics itself and guess from the moment literally how eh punched the clock from january 1 ah president of brazil luada silva has already started talking about it ah when the international the criminal court issued a warrant for the arrest of führer putin after

that the south african republic of president amofos became more active, for some reason because now there are about three mutual exceptions per week. exceptional information comes from the south african republic. so they don't will detain führer putin who will come to the summit then they will fulfill their tasks because they ratified the rome statute then they are looking for how to a pause in this regard in general everything that lola da silva does what aromaphos does and this is not their authorship the authorship of the kremlin here add, among other things, what makes eh likhoi what does sydzenpin and in general in the bricks system at least today it is possible to say what to expect of similar a-a things of similar a-a initiatives i don't even know what adjective

cannot be used to characterize them, except from india, because it seems that india has decided, but brazil is a south african republic, which from my point of view, i don't know what it is doing there in brics, but they will to exploit this topic, because if you look even at the year 2022 and the plans for 2023, the trade turnover between these countries, russia, china, brazil, and south africa has increased dramatically, despite the fact that the ambassador of the united states of america clearly demonstrated to the south africans about the fact that weapons were supplied to russia during 2022 and known photos that have already been shown , how the corresponding ships were loaded, how they were unloaded

, the new russia, but as you see, president ramaphosa is taking every step to say that the republic of south africa is up to all this she is absolutely not involved, moreover, she is ready to act as a kind of mediator in establishing, let's say , a dialogue, which is true, they hardly understand , well, on the one hand, knowing who represents ukraine and the ambassador in south africa to the republic, i understand that kyiv is well informed about such steps and about what and how gramofosa is doing in this situation , and that is another matter. that from the point of view of respect for international law, we will have to spend time on holding meetings that from the point of view and

content-wise and organizationally, they will be completely under the control of the kremlin , which , let's say, causes internal concern. warrant of the international criminal court over the past two months, there have been various statements from pretoria about how they will act for putin. obviously, this summit and a possible trip there are also certain challenges , a demonstration, an opportunity to demonstrate that he has nothing to do with this warrant of the international criminal court, and in pretoria thought about how to get around it because they ratified rimskyi here and in principle have to fulfill this decision of the international criminal court according to yours. well, will putin dare to

fly to the south african republic here he will also fly through different air spaces and foreign spaces of the countries that enter and ratify the rome statute , in general, it is possible that he can appear in pretoria and demonstrate to the whole world that for him the warrant of the international criminal court does not mean anything. he did not fly to turkey for the opening of the nuclear plant for the launch of the first power unit, and this is evidence that the führer of moscow is afraid that he will appear in the south african republic. well, i have no doubt that he will not fly there, but talk and use it as actually similar

initiatives, similar steps will be taken because, in this situation, as we are now periodically hearing from the kremlin that chinese initiatives are being manifested, there are other initiatives being manifested, and the ukrainians are not reacting to it well, the kremlin understands very well that ukraine will not respond to such initiatives. and those who try to fulfill the will of the kremlin or to serve themselves in front of some individual in one or another case, bargaining for themselves there or additional tons of oil or mineral fertilizers and so on, and the kremlin understands very well that kyiv is well informed about these economic systems that operate there within china , brazil, and the south african republic of brazil, russia, and so on, because there are

triangles, triangles are everywhere which is related to ion , then to russian hydrocarbons, and so on. and this can be seen even in the gross indicators of 2022-2023, well, the most vivid demonstration of this economic pressure on the behavior of the kremlin's so-called partners could be to see on may 9 how out of nowhere the leaders of five central asian states appeared on red square , precisely because of this delicate place, the führer of moscow and the brazilian leaders of the states and south africans, but this does not mean that ukraine should er-e reflect or react is there any way to hide in front of these initiatives a-a ukraine has its own position it must

take ukraine has er-e half-allies with whom it must carefully work out these things and so on and agree in this case with organized joint actions. i really liked how the president of brazil, while touring european countries, did not have time to get on the e-e ramp of the plane in lisbon, as he immediately declared that it is obvious that they are in a night situation, no negotiations can lead to a result for a long time and it is unlikely it is possible, this means that in the exchange of information with responsible dialogues of ukraine's partners on the international arena, including the president of famine sylvia and the president of ramma fosi, it is possible to prove arguments and explain what

the behavior should be and what can be done in that or in a different situation, realizing that the moscow führer and his entire gang are a thing that carries a colossal danger and, above all , a danger to those who try to get closer to such countries as brazil and south africa , which declare and try to build a democratic, civilized state, another führer, whether before the fuhrer or under the fuhrer , oleksandr lukashenko, who was literally not seen for a week or more after the parade on red square, he sat there with such a bad face and it was obvious that he was very today in minsk, he participated in the meeting of the parliamentary assembly council of the odkb, such an e-e mini-analogue of nato among the post-soviet countries that are part of the orbit

of russia, and what lukashenko said lukashenko made several statements. i think we will go over them now because what he says lukashenko really thinks putin and in general, this whole group that is now fighting against ukraine, what lukashenko says is happening across the world and in order to preserve the sovereignty and independence of the states that are part of the csto, we need to stick together, let's look at lukashenka today share peace is asked strong worlds everything will be redistributed by peace and we are in the center of this attention so we need to stick to each other we need to be closer to each other at this time this is our shelf we offer it to you i think that there is no other option for preserving the sovereignty and independence of our states, well in denmark there is no situation

is it correct panorama not to decipher what lukashenko said that we should stick to putin? well, that's not all. it is absolutely clear that we should return to the soviet union. words and well, well, here you understand here, to delve into the analysis spewed out by this collective farm bull, er, belarusian, well, statements because well, i just don’t want to waste time on it , not only that this structure is absolutely impotent otkb and not only that, today everyone even who enters there and in the future, the armenians are talking about the fact that this is an absolutely impotent structure that does not fulfill its rights, it does not fulfill its direct obligations in relation to its

partners, and also these constant ideas that come out of minsk as impulses about being there to restore some soviet union well, they are already so fed up, including the leaders of the central asian states, who are already periodically wound up in this spring, you can remember how one or the other declared that, well, in the end, you can see in our in us people are just partners, not your servants, etc., but the answer actually lies on the surface, none of these states will go today to the kremlin’s under-lords, so they are in a very difficult state of dependence , moreover, on the territory of all these states

there are mines laid, similar to let's say nagorno-karabakh as karakal-podstan well, it is necessary that keeps these states in the need to maintain some level of relations with the kremlin, although the last demonstration, which well , very much words, this is actually a war between armenia and azerbaijan, and how actively this began to advance the process when russia was only distanced from it and it was not thrown out of this process because it has a military base in armenia, but as soon as it was distanced from this process, active active rounds of negotiations of business negotiations between baku and yerevan, the truth is that it is not clear how they will end. because russia may at a certain time stop simply observing this process. and intervene as it has already done this several times, but talk about what a-a

through odkb or eurasia are all these structures invented in moscow in order to only return the former republics to the soviet union , the kremlin will succeed and the moscow or fuhret will achieve its result. in the eurasian space and there is only one empire that is failing, but the most dangerous thing is that this empire can drag behind it , including these newly formed states that are very difficult to get back on their feet, which the kremlin managed to drive either in eurasia or in the soviet union with your permission , i will take lukashenka's quote today, and let's put an end to it about the expansion of nato, which will not harm russia and belarus. this will not cause

a very short quote from lukashenka. in sweden we have once again witnessed the expansion of the north atlantic bloc , this kind of action puts peaceful people in a very dangerous position . they listened, but what is it related to a special military operation, or what is it related to the entry of finland into nato due to a special military operation , they waited for a moment, decided that

this moment has come, i think that it is not russia, not belarus - this is a big harm, the word does not carry as lukashenko says - it is the dew of god and it is not related to his well, by the way, you heard on the normal how a few days ago pisku declared that that the main task now of the special so-called military operation is the protection of the russian territory from ukraine, well, that is, everything has already turned upside down in the rhetoric in that they say and that finland has joined nato, which has suffered for a very long time from tsarist russia and from of the soviet union that they just went there not because russia attacked ukraine but because well, that's how it turned out er-er add here that and why did russia bring strategic bombers to the borders of er finland i'm not talking about what er-

until now, 5% of finland's territory was cut off with the winter war in 1940. what other soviet union was cut off? moreover, there are parts of the territory that even under the treaty, the soviet union was obliged to return, but it did not return to finland, that is, in fact, that's all what does it sound like from moscow? this is a lie that has been suppressed by age-old, age-old imperialist dust. in this case, lukashenko is only voicing theses that are written to him in the kremlin and dictated to him in the kremlin. well, unless they give him the opportunity to interpret as he says. today, lukashenko can say that this will not affect us, but tomorrow he will tell us that nato is standing near the borders, that is, here too we need to arm ourselves now

, to transport nuclear weapons from russia to our territory. by the führer of moscow about transferring nuclear weapons to the territory of belarus , and do you remember what lukashenko sang back then about the fact that we must defend ourselves there from nato and so on and so on, but i say once again well, it is necessary 30 years to be in this chair of the president to say one thing in the morning and one thing in the evening. well, about lukashenka , you can only tell anecdotes, which can be titled as lukashism. formerly the opposition in belarus published such lukashisms, here we are dealing today with another such lol-lukashism

, which became as a product of intellectual labor in the quotation marks of the cooperation of the kremlin and lukashenko, mr. roman, in reykjavik, at the summit of the council of europe , representatives of more than 40 countries adopted a declaration on the creation of a register of damages caused war against ukraine, and according to experts, it will be the first step to bring russia to financial responsibility for the war that russia is waging against ukraine, namely, the mechanism of reparations and compensations will come into effect, and we are talking about hundreds of billions, perhaps even trillions of dollars of reparations, is there a mechanism, and is it even possible in the modern world to make russia compensate ukraine for damages. and what can prevent this

, well, such mechanisms. in many cases but really , in order to use such a mechanism, you need to have at least some kind of register, and even if you happened to familiarize yourself with the materials of the potsdam conference or the nuremberg trials, then there including similar materials, which damages are mentioned there, and so on. and this is a very big deal. another thing i would like to add to what is being said is that the registers should be entered, well, it would be correct to keep them . at least since february 2014, because

the tonality in which it was voiced. well, it applies there starting from february 24, 2022, which worries me to no end, because i already see how ah in the system of international law and national law in our country, all statuses are divided before the 24th and after the 24th, this is so passed on the materials of the criminal case international regarding the illegal deportation of the removal of the ukrainian children there and so on and so on and so on, this is a very, very unpleasant thing. for two periods. well, it is a little incorrect from the point of view of the relationship with those people, because they lost property, the state lost this property, and so on, and therefore the record must be kept starting at least from there february

, well, from what time there medals february 22, 2014 the year of registration and because they can appear as evidence in the materials of this case, but of course registers of losses must be carried. that is why such registers were constantly drawn up due to the consequences of the intervention of aggression because they can be used, including as an argument for the provision of assistance and as an argument for the payment of reparations, and not by chance well, in the draft resolution that was submitted and registered in the congress of the united states of america in the chamber presented there, in my opinion, the third point mentions the payment of reparations, and pay attention there, the last point talks about justice towards the victims of this aggression includes the question of possibility, including compensation for losses for these

citizens of a material nature, because well, how do you understand the question of a moral nature? will life not be restored, but the question of reparation is related, among other things, to compensation for compensation for losses which were inflicted by the enemy on the industrial potential , the economic potential of ukraine, on natural persons, and so on, so such a register is very , very important to roman petrovych, the last question in our conversation for today and i i hope for a short answer anthony blinken - the secretary of state of the united states of america admitted for the first time that russia can be recognized as a state sponsor of terrorism, he spoke in the congress and on the committee to cross more correctly and allowed it, which according to you deters washington from such a decision right now

, the answer was very short he said yes, never say never, it was a reflection on the question of the senator, what is holding back, well, the answer to this question was given six months ago by president biden, they washington still hope that some dialogue will be successful, and in order to preserve this chance, this decision is not taken, this is literally the direct language that the president said then, that is, they still hope for a dialogue with russia, they still hope. thank you, mr. roman, for the conversation, let's put an end to our conversation. ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to belarus in 2010-2011, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and

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