[000:00:00;00] the exhibition conversation that is impossible without you, congratulations, our friends continues. thank you for watching in the next hour, you are working with oleksigomun kateryna derkach. thank you for talking with us today about why ukrainians continue to listen to russian on the air of tala marathon, an extra news release , the intera information service is working for you. iryna balai, an air alert was announced in all ukrainian regions, monitoring groups report the threat of an attack by enemy drones, in addition, there is preliminary information about the activity of enemy mig 31k in i will remind the airspace of russia. this plane can carry dagger-type missiles. we ask you not to ignore the danger and be exposed

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the information, congratulations, our friends, the broadcast continues . thank you for watching in the near future working with you for an hour to oleksigova kateryna derkach thank you for talking with us today about why ukrainians continue to listen to russian music about how these stories end not only scandals in the columns of the newspaper and in prazimisinky police stations and in the military commissariats . by the way, summonses were issued to the men who listened loudly to russian music and behaved aggressively. the patrol police reported about it. the incident took place in lviv. driving in which by the way, it is forbidden to enter ukraine, they made a

remark. we were delayed, let's see how it was so that you can listen to music normally now muscovite you can do it for some reason, i am very sorry for my behavior, she is planning it with a man who lives in ukraine and communicates in ukrainian. i apologize for my actions that i caused to a young man who made a remark to me the girls in the institution were having fun to the song of the band hands up, we made a remark to them and a scandal broke out, the girls claimed that nothing would change if they stopped listening to this music, instead they tried to prove that these performers supported russia's war in ukraine and there is no need to promote and popularize their product in ukraine , the incident happened on may 10, then the day before, i will remind you that russia launched missile strikes on odesa, supports its

own country, you can go to russia to hear about the causes and consequences of such situations, and we will talk today with valentin glykh , a political scientist who visited us at the studio . valentina, we welcome you, congratulations, thank you for the invitation, we are also in touch with kolya sirka , head of cultural forces, poet, musician , military serviceman. congratulations to you and andriy kovalev i congratulate you, i congratulate you, press officer of the 112th brigade of the territorial defense of the armed forces of ukraine, candidate of political sciences , he is also in touch with us, gentlemen. congratulations to both of you, mr. volodymyrets. congratulations, er, valentin, to begin with. in the cases that we have described, not only did people listen to music

in russian, but also songs in russian, we are talking about even those performers who openly support the war against ukraine. why even such an argument does not stop people because the principle of feedback does not work, simply put, if you play golf or learn to play golf, you hit this ball but you don't know if you hit it or if you didn't hit it , then you'll never learn it, because i'm not correcting your behavior, they trace cause and effect relationships, well, between how exactly did you hit there, what result did you achieve , so these people, they simply do not realize that there is a certain relationship between what they do and what is happening, but since cause-and-effect relationships "connections postponed in times, they don't form this complete picture in their heads, this is one

moment, the second moment, er, this connection is immediate, just a connection, it is obvious that ukraine, when we speak of ukraine as a post-colonial state, a state that arose on the ruins of an empire, there is nothing offensive in this this is simply a statement of the fact, accordingly, a certain emancipation must go through emancipation in the sense of liberated, what is liberation, liberation is not only political, for example, obtaining state sovereignty, liberation is not only economic, as the construction of an economic system which will be independent and sufficient, self-sufficient, no matter how tautological it may look from, for example, the former metropolis, and this is in particular spiritual emancipation and this is cultural emancipation, that is, people do not realize that when they listen to it or consume it . let's put it this way, because maybe not only about music, they actually consume a cultural product that is a mechanism of a certain influence from the former metropolis, and not

just the former metropolis, which is supposedly now neutral, but the former metropolis, which carries out an aggressive policy aimed essentially at the destruction of the state whose citizens you are , and so they didn't understand until the end what the purpose was, well, the metropolis, the metropolis , uh, is waging a war here not to change the flags over odessa's, to put the tricolor on the city council, not to make it rape, take her car , go to her apartment, and send everything to herself. she thinks it's okay . now the russians will come, we'll all listen together. hands up. no, we won't listen together . hands up. that means you, we will experience all the repressions. most likely, total extermination, and sympathies for the hands up group, or any other scumbag, he will not be recognized as uh, let's say the criteria for sending someone to siberia later , salting someone in a vacated apartment, i

don't like elastic, i just like it your car. i just want to rape you. i just want to take your property and go to your apartment. that's how it will work. and when you scream later, i listened to your hands . please don't take the apartment in the car. i'll take it away so that's what it's all about. actually, i'm saying that people don't realize all these moments, they have different planes . that is, she says ah, if i stop listening to music, then the war will stop. no, it won't stop. well, that's also true, but it's about what if she stop listening to this noise? accordingly, she will create certain prerequisites for further emancipation and the third conclusion is bad taste. well, why do people hide there, i don't know fast food. well, why do people eat some cheap alcohol or sniff glue moment you are from packages, i don't know very well, they say it's cool to smell glue moment and listen to leps or

what's his name hands up who is telling you that, i have a lot of life experience, after all, i was born and grew up where the sun rises and it's not japan and this is not japan, it originates in ukraine in the luhansk region, so how does it happen, uh, i had the opportunity to observe more than once, but seriously , well, it’s just not taste, it’s character, what we consume characterizes us, that is, even if people are unable to digest something else. well, it is not it's just fast food, it's musical, it's not just fast food, it's, well, i don't know, that's what professor preobrazhenskyi said, again referring to the palace of culture for them, er , of soviet culture, that these people are at the lowest point yet, we must now add our one more guest, so about that the very word is to consume this russian product , especially those performers who actively

support russia's war against ukraine, those who are prohibited from entering ukraine, why does this still continue, but in fact there is a lot of great ukrainian product that can be to listen to which to enjoy which lately more why does it continue when to leave because of the feeling of guilt that i am you can do it and this is directly we understand that it is us and uh then we understand around the house how society reacts what else needs to be added in order for it to certain parts of it were reformed there, therefore, of course, there is a lot of isolation of ukrainian content now. and this is very important . where there is quantity, there is not always quality , but gradually the quantity turns into quality . therefore, there is now a lot of this content and

we need the right guides in this content so that people understand that our volume or lepsa can be quality content. that is, you can choose a ukrainian song. when you listen to a song and listen to it many times, you listen to it in different situations and uh, there is psychology, such a term anchors you you create all these anchors and uh, this anchor can be related to your memories, because i don't know . first love, first dance, and so on, and sometimes for people uh, there are not enough reasons to rewrite these how to break these prisms ah ago someone listens to such songs exactly from this map uh, that's why sometimes you need to find some alternative similar music there, i'll tell you that from the point of view of the quality of the music, probably, well hands up it was quality music, it was quality pop music, that's why well, we understand, you know

we started talking about characters like instagram, so there is a demand for such music, and we understand that if there is such a request, we simply forbid people there to consume it, so they will look for where it can be consumed so that no one sees it but if we create a certain alternative and instill in this alternative important values ​​that are important to us. how will we educate this audience that feeds on consumes everything on its own? this may be a way out of this. it deals with the cultural forces of ukraine in part. we find the necessary ones . they are called content links. yes, the truth is that all the necessary content links are not there, and we are starting to create products, find performers who can cover this need and , er, indexing. in addition, we are working

directly with the talented military main warriors we find powerful warriors er as artists ugu er us along this front line and help them make there specifically capable for the general this cultural level show business the level this is more us more there is a difference between show business and culture, specifically according to the product for the media market , and we ourselves said that they choose what to listen to, please listen, but then maybe listen somewhere at home, somewhere, er, young people say on their knees, forgive me for such an expression, listen please, somewhere, but not publicly, and then they also aggressively prove it, look here, you always need, you know, what else are we looking for for fools , a purpose, a context, like, why are they listening to this publicly, why are they entering into this conflict, this is for sure for them, it is more than it's just uh, there's russian music. and it's about some of their personal situation

, somewhere they don't recognize it - there's not enough space where it can express itself. and that's why we simply understand this problem, we cover this problem through, well, we have to close it without conflict. well, how am i talking about our approach of course needs someone else i used the approach of slapping in the face and shaming , as in er youth slang, and the approach works. who listens to russian music, but we can do it with our side, we can raise the level of ukrainian music, raise the level of ukrainian culture, the level of its quality, and make it so that it was stylish and that it was how is it

respectful to listen to ukrainian music to search to find pearls in it and the very process of searching for these pearls should be a pleasure. so we do it with different tools. we need to ask you one question, if you allow me. i know that you travel a lot in the de-occupied territories. you talk, communicate with people, and you play music, as in general, have you noticed that their musical preferences change, for example, after they visited the occupation, perhaps using the example of the same kherson, because uh, if you don't bring an alternative, then we had what is changing, there are people who are more conscious, who start searching on their own, start to change their playlists, their cultural environment. and there are people who, uh, have a protest against what was before that, before russian music, before russian culture, but there is no alternative, and they do not have this

algorithm search and after some time they start to say rudely, here they point out that it's all kind of bad, and then among the bad they start looking for something less bad . well, for example, we go to kramatorsk . well, by law, there is a pizzeria in kramatorsk breaks between work and we listen to russian music , russian pop, understand, this is a problem, we are now saying well, what are you listening to, and they will turn it off, but we are late , they will turn it on again, because it is just another playlist and we tell about these artists , we will show you we are conducting such cultural work, motivational. and you suggest that it is important to fix it down to the word, yes, of course. i propose to do this , to do it comprehensively and systematically, and to change this microspace. i will feel the right

music in public places. it seems that they forbade music to be played in the minibus at all, and it is necessary to allow it, but to play certain music, which uh, which is ukrainian , which is modern, which is high-quality, there are supermarkets there, there are railway stations, we are now with the ukrzaliznitsa just creating a playlist with a playlist for 15-20 minutes at the moment when the train takes place and 15-20 minutes before it arrives at least a few names of the third state that will definitely be in this playlist track sasha chemerova - when sergey yarmaka is an infantryman, it must be the same uh sasha yarmak who is not mine talented incredibly apt in his creativity with the present tense there his wild field is very modeling a powerful song about the ukrainian resistance about the ukrainian spirit about the mythologies

of the ukrainian spirit er these are songs she very as they say keeps the pulse keeps her hand on the pulse er time er, there is a lot to spin, we have a separate person who is engaged in compiling these playlists max without one, this is one of the most popular playlists in ukrainian i hope yes, it is clear, it is raining when new music er modern ukrainian interesting thank you thank you thank you for joining we understand you must be let go kolya serga head of cultural forces poet musicians military serviceman joined our broadcast that's how you see, you buy a ticket for the national railway as a bonus you get quality ukrainian music again also andriy kovalev about the non-commissioned officer of the 112th brigade of the territorial defense of the armed forces of ukraine candidate of political sciences mr. andriy and you from how do you connect the two cases that we portrayed, that we heard on the air? well

, the situation was so ugly, let's call it, there were actually many moments intertwined at once in the first case, er, one of the participants at least the conflict he apologized the girls from odesa behaved quite aggressive valentina gladkova, we studied together at the faculty of philosophy of kyiv university, and valentin continues to teach there, and as a philosopher, he quite correctly defined what is happening in a post-colonial society , the lack of cause-and-effect relationships, we

with you in the studio, for example, we talked about the existence of such a factor, why do ukrainians still go to maxim theology of patriarch kirill, they began to support the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, and not only this applies to the moscow patriarchate, it also applies to music, it also applies to sports, and you understand what hybrid aggression of the russian federation, it is happening and not only not only on the front line, it is happening not only through missiles or shahedis , it is also happening through the so-called soft power, through soft power, and soft power is music, what kind of power is the moscow patriarch, there is culture, literature, films, all this is the soft power of russian aggression, it is necessary from verto, it has bombarded ukrainians for tens of years , the same victory, about the so-called

common history, about the fact that we are one people. well, we can remember dozens of tv shows and films that were filmed with russian money, through which russian mythology was spent, don't forget ukrainians, let's remember how ukrainians were shown in films and tv shows of the last decades, this is a thief , so funny and funny, we remember it show a piece. it is immediately mentioned that they walked around with russian weapons. the russian victories tried to show what an interesting and exciting service in the armed forces of the soldiers themselves , and unfortunately, when there were no countermeasures , when there were, let's say, safeguards for cultural expansion - it penetrated, and unfortunately, our youth became

uh, the victims are primarily young people, because young people are looking for something fashionable, something interesting , something new every day, and they became victims of this cultural expansion and, unfortunately, did not see the causal connection of the holidays they did not see that it was actually an infected productive product. believe me, the parishioners of the moscow patriarchate also do not see the causal festive connections of their support for the moscow patriarchate. especially when they are being fooled every day that it is not the moscow patriarchate, but something copulated, and in this situation, in fact, with the case when in lviv, the guys listened to music in public, this is also their age , it’s important to somehow show yourself off , it ’s not for nothing that they got into a fight here. some kind of recognition or something else, but on the other hand, it is very important that immediately after that, they were served with summons by friends

. i want to urge you once again to say: as a serviceman of the armed forces, have respect, let's talk about that. andriy, that's exactly what i want to talk about, whether the armed forces are not repression and it is not a punishment to serve in the armed forces and defend ukraine. i would like our viewers and our listeners to finally learn this , and the employees of the national police and service in the armed forces of ukraine to learn that this is not a punishment and not it is necessary, again, what kind of successful mobilization can we talk about and replenishment, when in mass culture , service in the armed forces or in the defense forces of ukraine, you know, as a punishment , it is not a punishment. to other officers, how should they perceive when i go to them

, for example, to the front and anywhere, i will send some criminals or they will send such and such , say, protest boys for whom who listen to russian music, for whom ukraine it means nothing to defend to defend the ukrainian state if for these people theoretically i say theoretically ukraine means nothing er here is a very simple answer to that friends the armed forces of ukraine or the defense forces of ukraine this is not a punishment this is not a prison inertia if these people break the law they must answer according to the law and must be punished, and again i want to overcome another myth of the armed forces of ukraine, you know , because we now very often hear from the screens that the armed forces of ukraine have the impression that they are some kind of supermen who will come and win

all problems will come and go, friends, the armed forces of ukraine, the defense forces of ukraine. we are all citizens of ukraine with you. these are your neighbors. and victory is achieved by ordinary ukrainians, thanks to the fact that actually the subpoena is, in the case of lviv history, that it appeared here as if as a punishment for them, but at the same time , the military personnel themselves and mr. andriy confirms that they are asking not to be subpoenaed and service in the armed forces in some kind of a way, a way, a way, to be ashamed of the facts. because in fact, it is really a privilege, it must also be earned in order to fight for one's country, to defend honor and dignity, and in general, in such a case, the army can be a military, it can

be like that a re-education factor , as in the soviet union they said yes, send him there, not to the army . a range rover in lviv is one moment, the second moment is that the summons is not a punishment, but in ukraine there is a legal regime of martial law, which stipulates that all conscripts must be on the military register with these devils . i am not afraid of this word. if necessary, there were also non-lviv license plates on the cars, that is, they came from another region , respectively. i have a simple question. they were registered for military registration at the military commissary or at

the equipment center. i am registered, mr. andriy, despite the fact that mobilization did not apply to him at all, as a scientific and pedagogical worker , he serves in the armed forces of ukraine, recently one of our students of the faculty of philosophy died under fire, and these characters were dumped from somewhere, they live in lviv, which they consider a safe city, and i want to go there again to yell at something to bully sorry, look, i'm just speaking in a language that is understandable for them so that it's understood they turned to the assembly center, as it is provided by the current legislation, for their registration data, what category of registration do the armed forces need or not? i think that if he wanted ukraine in the same way as he defends his right to listen to trishnyak, then i

think that we are already went to the state border internationally recognized because she gives them summons me too she didn't just give them such a report no it's the first time the police don't give them summons representatives of the assembly center were invited there and in accordance with the current of the legislation, subpoenas are issued, subpoenas are issued not only to such characters, there is, again, china legislation, which provides for a procedure like in uh, well, they receive subpoenas . after that, we, as a citizen, have not only the rights of others, but also their duties and these duties obligations must be fulfilled now, non-fulfilment of duties entails responsibility, so let's not play here either, well , this game, what do you know? and if they try to join the armed forces, then i won't go there, it's not you who determines it, it is determined by specially trained

training, people who have the appropriate plans, what categories, what military specialties do they need? well, no, no one is saying that they will be taken away now and they will go to serve . maybe such trash is really not needed there. there are no, more precisely, unimportant matters will be settled, even simply, i do not know any goods, roughly speaking, in the rear, even this work must also be done by someone, they will paint, i do not know how to cry or prepare anything else for the victory parade, so you do not need to think that right away if you have received a summons, you are already guaranteed to be in the middle of nowhere. no, don't be. in fact, there is only a small part of the entire composition of the armed forces in the combat zone, but there must be reserves , there must be male units . what kind of work should be done? in this context, we are not inclined to consider, you know , let's not issue a summons to anyone at all, because it can be perceived as a punishment