[000:00:00;00] work carried out by the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, the office of the president, the office of the prosecutor general, we are sure at the moment that a special tribunal will be created , the only question is in what form it will be created, and here ukraine faces a huge and very difficult task to ensure the effectiveness of its work tribunal and broad international support , because the most effective tribunal will usually be an international tribunal created under the auspices or with the assistance of the united nations, less effective will be a tribunal created under the auspices of the council of europe or the european union raises questions

about the effectiveness of the branch, and this idea is also being discussed, but in any case , our main task is to create this tribunal and that it will then be able to bring putin and the higher military-political leadership to justice. ukraine has already formed a list of people whom we as a country would like to see on the dock, we understand that we would like there and propagandists there and there and all kinds of people there, even officials of the second echelon, but the most likely who to see who can at least be put on trial as a person who should be on the dock next to putin at the moment we can talk about approximately 25-30 people who are part of the security council of the russian federation and who voted for granting permission to putin to use the armed forces the forces of the russian federation on the territory of ukraine , that is, we are taking all the participants of that

meeting that was broadcast there live or recorded, we are no longer interested and we are watching this meeting, because i am sure there is no doubts that they can and should be brought to justice by these tribunals, let's also not forget that it must be mr. lukashenko who allowed an attack on the territory of ukraine from the territory of the republic of belarus, which is also an act of aggression on the part of the republic of belarus and a crime aggression on the part of president lukashenka or self-proclaimed president lukashenka , let's not forget about that plus maybe a few more people there, the minister of defense of the republic

of belarus and so on, since the summer of this year we will start working a special center for understanding the passport of aggression and there will already be determined and the bigger departments of international law of the taras shevchenko national university were with us and they talked about the military tribunal well, our broadcast continues stay with us join the brave defend your first technological war in the world impossible without progressive weapons, these are technologies of victory and ukrainians create them, there is only one question: how to turn ideas into

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javelin and ufo tanks the latest systems anti-aircraft defense there maybe soon we will get combat planes today, moreover, every non-ukrainian absolutely understands the fact that if the first component of the formula of our victory is definitely the courage of our soldiers , then the second one is no less important - this is the help of the west, this is the rubric accent my name is oleksiy fadeev and accent today we we are doing just that on western aid to ukraine well , we will talk about it, as usual, with the guest of the studio today , oleksandr musienko, the head of the center for military and legal research. good evening mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you. so, please tell me if it is possible to talk about a certain evolution that military aid , military-technical aid to ukraine came in time , at least full-scale russian rejection. before a full-scale invasion, there was so much talk that ukraine would definitely need them, but

there was no talk of them being provided in the near future, for example, such systems as petriv about air defense or himself in those or even such systems as kailas and which we actively use or such a large number of 155 mm artillery with high-precision excalibur shells or about the training of our military in such a large number abroad for nato weapons that are then transferred to us on today we are quite significantly updating the park of ukrainian weapons , especially the ground forces, as well as the air force, air defense equipment and even for aviation the same missiles that we are provided of different types, this is also in principle, that is, today it can be stated that this is a year, such a period of time - these are indeed certain revolutionary changes, but we still need to go a certain way, we will now talk about if we talk about revolutionary changes, well, i am more inclined to evolution, but because no less it doesn't matter what the main milestones you could name and what factors uh that led to

what we have now, well i can tell you that you correctly noted that we started with javelins, we started with anna, we started stingers, even stingers, you know what it is to record some fighters, what it is to destroy a helicopter with a stinger, where is the battery enough, and what is an arrow, where is the battery for 90 seconds, where do you have to do it all in time or shoot even less, these are actually completely different things, and so on, and we went to that that we began to receive the british star strike air defense systems, then we began to receive e-e from germany, airesty and so on to samsung e-e . three sevens a-a towed guns next is a sauna m109 self-propelled artillery next is the same caesar is the same self-propelled howitzer crab i.e. a large number ending with modern tanks so

absolutely and possible for airplanes and possible for airplanes so far only maybe you are talking about technology in principle ours viewers we all know very well what is being supplied to us and even we know that we have the newest anti-aircraft systems there , which are not even there in european countries, that we had a question, she gave us modern caesars that have only been produced absolutely but look but i also about another evolution, there are two layers of military equipment absolutely, but military equipment is a consequence and the cause is political will and if at the beginning of a full-scale aggression we remember a famous quote now we will name the author but about the fact that ukraine will probably hold out for three days and soon ukraine will be gone, we have to live with large-scale aid and even possibly change the concept, not from preventing ukraine from losing to possibly leading to the defeat of russia, which became a factor that well, you know that uh, always

help those who are strong and who do the opposite and in this case, this is the resistance of the ukrainian people, he did not set an example and demonstrated this will to fight. when all this entered the information space of the west, when people saw and people there rose to help ukraine, ordinary people saw saw the struggle , but did not see the struggle at first, the struggle was fierce. what is described by examples even from the biblical legends of david iguliaf and it all comes alive when you see it all, no one will still be from photoshop, but in the ukrainian military you understand. so when have you read all this somewhere, whether from childhood or in mature life and you can you imagine? do you visualize it somewhere in a movie? and when you see it in java and it comes to life and it changes the world, myths are common and people begin to change, and people influence politics and politicians began to watch and they saw that there is a need to supply in ukraine, that there is a chance for struggle and i have to say that ukraine has always proved that it deserves and claims more weapons because look well let's face it if we didn't

resist we wouldn't have been given any of this if we hadn't conducted a series of successful counterattacks we wouldn't have stopped the enemy in the east would probably not have given us the imersa bull that helped us to occupy kherson. if we had not continued, that is, we constantly prove this, too, as an element we constantly have to prove to our partners, look, we are capable . and what else do we prove ? he is painted, i am a pro-russian aggressor , depersonalization is going on, that is, the myths that this army, the second in the world , was afraid of it are being destroyed, well, you understand how much we have heard escalation escalation, there is no need to give ukraine long-range weapons 300 km missiles will lead before escalation, it is not necessary to anger russia. it is true, because and why? and i will tell you why, and because when they talked about, for example, iskander or caliber missiles, they were also feared in the west, then they also believed in this propaganda that only dangerous ones on the night of the 16th who are serving hit while the food but they tried to hit yes calmly and we know what happened and now this

and now it doesn't matter anymore now we can say look and what are you afraid of you put patriots for yourself or better put more patriots in ukraine and cover us with a missile shield and let it will actually be a missile shield that includes an adapted dynat and everything and you will be safe and russia can no longer threaten you with a rabbit warren this is the former kaliningrad region missiles means a dagger hm don't be afraid you have patriots look they can practice and don't be afraid of this enemy he is not so strong not so powerful that you want to paint yourself absolutely well, although we certainly don’t take it lightly and we don’t reduce it because it’s iron, what the hell do they have if there weren’t old and new main ones, a lot and they didn’t accumulate weapons but not a cool quote russia is not very loyal to the arrestee. she is just long. well, you see, she is really long and she has a lot of reserves, and that's why. of course, everything about it needs

to be destroyed. in some ways, she has power . we will destroy this power. about the fact that russia is absolutely a weak opponent no, russia is strong and quite an opponent for many for take any country in europe now any and it is a strong enemy simply that the correct use of the correct popular resistance and the use of weapons as tools gave the opportunity to effectively fight this insidious, aggressive and powerful enemy. and for now. if we talk about weapons, for now the most successful event that happened literally ended at the beginning of this week. this is volodymyr zelenskyi's european tour. that's five countries. well, if you count the vatican, that's a lot. as they say gifts, gifts mean promises and uh , deals about the supply of weapons to germany, she surprised more than anything why because we all know the position of germany cautiously, starting with germany merkel, then germany-scholtz and

here germany-sholtsia gives us a record aid package of 2.7 billion and there and there and 20 bmp marders 30 tanks leopard and airsti 4 anti-aircraft missiles yes er-er 12 launchers and hundreds of missiles and 200 reconnaissance drones well and so on and so on what is this connected with? well, if it is possible to say that germany suddenly became enlightened and why the revolution happened, the words of olaf scholze are being considered. glory to ukraine, which broke russian propaganda, the indicated waffles, when the president of ukraine, and the ukrainian people received the charlemagne award, this is quite important. well, germany has really come and a certain revolution. germany, do you understand what is the essence of germany? this country wants to be one of the leaders of the eu by right, it deserves it, but it also wants to ensure trans-atlantic unity with the usa, and it is very important for them to remain consistent a partner of the usa and to maintain this line and this is very important. this is important for us in the context of our

euro-atlantic aspirations and aspirations and showing ourselves as a serious partner, that is, you understand what the situation is if france is there, the president of macron, china and the strategic autonomy of europe and all, but still supports ukraine germany is more consistent they have a position that we must support yes we have already started this we must move long ago they consistently built the same unity with russia and definitely this was it this was a really specific project which well, why not only germany , but the united states, what was the position in principle, the reboot button, yes , absolutely. no one wanted a confrontation. the united states was withdrawing troops from europe. saw the true nature of the russian regime of this neo-imperial chauvinistic aggressive do you have a version of exactly when they saw it i think they began to see it already in february

2022 before the invasion and when i think they remember i remember that it was confused after the press -conferences with putin, he was frankly like this, you know, he was, he was, he demonstrated calmness, such a state, but he frankly looked like something, but he did not understand , because he already realized that either the position of germany must change, or then russia can seize ukraine and go further and there will already be a war near the borders of germany, and this shocked, you know, the people who thought that this cannot happen now, this is shocking, they refuse to believe it, and they had to believe it, i will say an assumption, you will tell me the rule, am i right or not, look and this it turns out that ukraine was saved to a certain extent by its purely geographical location in europe. for example, it did not save georgia in 2008. well, for some reason, it did not save us on the 14th. well, you see what the situation

is, and georgia was also saved with the help of ukraine by the way, by the way, in the context of georgia, we would like georgia to join the sanctions now and support ukraine more, instead of resuming air traffic there from russia and so on, but it's the georgian government . let's say we won't ask the georgian government. do you understand what the situation is, that of course our central position, in principle, saves us, after all, the country is located in the center of europe, but let's remember from history that it was not always like this, so often it turned out that we were simply misunderstood by the truth and this happened to us divided between different languages ​​because we were not always seen as subjects, or rather never seen, you see what i'm getting at. and now this is the moment when, for the first time in tens of hundreds of years, we have such colossal western support around ukraine, this is a real chance and what now it is used and not wasted, this is very important, that is why skeptics who say that the west is so bad, believe me

, they probably just taught history badly or forgot , it is worth turning to historical examples and seeing what happened. when the west was there, i did not know what it happened from ukraine, but now, after all, there is this support and there is a demonstration of unity around the support of ukraine. and this is important, hmm, if we return to this practical part of western aid, we talked a little about germany and let me briefly quote schulz that we will support ukraine for so long how will it be necessary, this is literally a tracing paper from the words of biden for so long, because it is necessary, and it is already olafsholsi's truth. he said that we hope that it will end quickly, well, everyone hopes that we will be the first next, another very big event related to germany with the german company rai metal took place. last week, rhein metal signed an agreement on a joint venture, that is, in fact, i understand correctly

. tanks or these lericon e-e anti-aircraft complexes can be processed here on the territory of ukraine, at least in the future small radio, the judges are automatic, we have to come to this. i'm just sure we have to do it because two news. i think it's important what was announced by the minister of defense about different tanks and 84 oplot that will be purchased by ugu and k- the contract with rain metal, the cooperation agreement, how it will be implemented, we will see in practice, perhaps not immediately, it will all be deployed in ukraine, although previously rain metal declared that they would not be against it, but that is enough important news because i will give an example of historical analogues, it will be clear to everyone the fact is that now i can trace many parallels with israel, you know israel, when it actually fought for the right to its existence, they did not have their own weapons they were looking for weapons around the world, they were then helped by active france, but what did israel do to make israel realize that it was good, eh , yes, ah, well, it wasn’t a beauty to go to france, they went, yes, but

then they realized that it was important for them to have their own weapons. they started specialists plus drag american corporations to talk come to us let's jointly produce and now they jointly produce and now they have serious achievements and gains and so do we. i think that and we have a better starting position, after all, we are not like in israel where there was no production at all, we have certain sprouts, this one they survived if we can make more t-84 so everything is not so bad, but besides, if you remember a few months ago, there was a report about this , there was an article in finanshall-time from the british newspaper so literally the article was called britain can start producing weapons on the territory of ukraine, that is, the british too , er, they have not yet advanced like the germans, but they have such plans and imagine the ukraine of the future , a kind of european sparta with a few by powerful military factories that not only represent when the resource is still a resource for

the economy , it is large, yes, with investments, with the training of a-a personnel. we get production here if it wasn't there, but this production here is the restoration of our ukrainian economy, taxes here, a joint venture, taxes, all the development of certain objects, secondly, we get guarantees for us and for these countries, it will be important to say ukraine it should be in nato, we invested money there, we produce weapons that are used in particular by nato, we will take them under our umbrella , and the third good thing is that it is a mutual exchange of information and technologies, it is very good that you mentioned nato, that is exactly what i wanted to ask, maybe before that in i had planned to discuss the position of france, but you said that it is no less revolutionary than, uh, german, just german is more consistent. well, also give scalps for 300 km, yes, they are the same, what happened to the stars, give the same air defenses, well, that is not enough of course, france, what happened to france

, something called chumaka, a man called . well, you see, it's still france. it's always , well, it's just a special country in europe. they're always historically somehow connected with russia. well, you remember even in the soviet the union was allowed everything french. well, it must be slowly connected with a large amount of emigration, once from the russian empire after the revolution, and secondly , the comintern committee, yes, yes, and i want to remind you of the large number of left-wing philosophers and authors who worked and are still in france today of course, this is all of us before this. we all know it perfectly well, but so does france. by the way, if you remember historically, you already know that we now have many parallels with the crimean war. and here, britain and france then fought hard and they drowned in the bay they sank the russian fleet in sevastopol and deprived it of its opportunities, but who then saved france, when did they come to russia, when did the delegations come to

france ? interests in restraining continental states in europe such as germany. germany increased its efforts and france was wary. yes, the union of russia played a role in many things. by the way, they were used as they probably understood it, but they still sought to have these bottomless ambitions . in that sense, this decision of france to hand over a whole bunch of weapons to us is too big. can be revolutionary yes definitely definitely many countries came italy the same italy yes i mean we understand we lived a year two three ago we talked and there half a year ago they lived like that they spoke pro-russian position and italy it is corrupt there ties with russia there

russian pens yes and was actually and here it turns out to mean absolutely a-a brilliant means er-e mrs. prime minister is italian and you also remember the speech to the parliament when there it means from all over it means in italian expression that's when the great one said tell this to putin what are you telling me this here in fact, we are just words, that is, i would really like another state to come, revolutionary changes, this is turkey , turkey, well, turkey, first of all, must go through the normal elections, well, i hope i will soon see the second round there, the second you are already interesting statements from competitors, very interesting, interesting about what he accuses russia of supporting and influencing the or what to stop immediately or it will have an effect on the cooling of the bag between the countries, he said it literally, yes, not

literally, but in fact, oleksandr, and still you remembered nato and that's what andriy yarmak said about the winds. he wrote that zelenskyi's visit was still ongoing. this is the beginning of this week. he wrote that and i will read in reverse order . first, during the diplomatic contacts of the president, they discussed really strategic geopolitical things that will affect the entire security of europe's architecture in the future and ukraine will play a leading role in this, and the first paragraph, success is possible only thanks to persistent and constructive diplomatic work, a strong army and the alliance, there are no other options, this is about nato i think so and you think that the second layer of the meaning of zelenskyi's visit, and this tour of zelenskyi, became the discussion in nato language. definitely try to declare a declaration that was signed, which also stated ukraine's aspirations to join nato, but there were a lot of postponed certain points that it is necessary to discuss freely. for example , we mentioned france, yes, they declare the intention of ukraine, which was confirmed by the decision of bukharevsky

themselves in 2008 that ukraine should be in nato, but all discussions are free. and i even in principle, and advised what to bring to vilnius. we already have, but now we have a beautiful case, a practical solution to guarantee the security of ukraine, a missile shield, together, a single integrated space of the whole of europe, it starts with us and continues well, tanya, and in the context of the protection of europe from russia, and this we need more turkey, right, yes, of course, and turkey is with us in this sense, uh, the black sea is completely truce , so we close it all with a powerful missile shield, and this is the first, this is already the first means of guaranteeing the security of the ppu, serious, strong air defense further, these are already other positions, which further is the placement of productions, which are needed and for these placements of productions, the possibility of placing military contingents, i emphasize not the base contingents, not in violation of the norms of the constitution of ukraine, russia remains as certain in this region and what to do with it and to whom it can to succeed is very simple, i want to remind you that russia

played the following role in this sense, they announced an ultimatum to nato in december 2021. yes, it is absolutely about the fact that nato should not accept ukraine and, moreover, withdraw its military presence from the regions of central europe, starting from estonia and ending with romania nato at the traffic light that there were no red lines, we came up with that, that's it, that's it, now let them begin to bear fruit, what if nato follows suit in russia supports it ultimatum i think not so and then you need to put a full stop once and for all and say we are not playing ultimatum with you, so in the end our position will look like putin once , remember i asked you something about berezovsky and he said boris berezovsky and who, after all, well ideally for someone from europe to ask russia - this is where it is already part of ukraine and the musicians of the famous shevchuk , you have a

fastener there. already stated, see we have never refused to regulate the actions of the usa and its satellites that actually arose as a result a-a problem a-a i think that russia will go to negotiations will it still bomb with daggers as we have been doing for three nights it's just very simple ways to settle. i don't know if laurov is listening to us or there are others. i think they are paying attention, but i would just like to say, do you want to be settled and withdraw the ultimatum about which i said and legally stop the so-called ied regime, sign the decree to end the regime with everyone the resulting consequences of the withdrawal of troops, the cessation of shelling, and so on. and this will be a certain step towards a meeting for settlement . and there are no other steps, they are simply impossible, you have begun to understand, but they say we are ready. so you created a problem, and now you reject everyone you say so, after all, we don't. you created a problem. and now you want to bypass this problem

completely. and how to solve it without determining what they are doing now ? well , it's called there, i don't know the sophistry, do you understand? a bunch of different incomprehensible statements , but the result is the same every night for the last three 3 nights in kyiv , ukraine, air alarm, daggers fly , but they do not reach the point, you know how our users in social networks nicknamed daggers after daggers and daggers yes yes yes you see, i saw the first one, i rustled for a long time, i’ll tell you honestly, see if there’s anything left after the failure . by the way, the funniest thing in this story is that for a whole day, the kremlin rejected and denied it, yet they shot down there, on the contrary, they said that 100,500 daggers were shot down, and the funniest thing is well, you know, the day before, they arrested three authors, so the creators of daggers and goose change for treason, well, as he says correctly, i

don't remember who someone seems to be what, and don't believe anything until something is disproved by the cream and you know that the most important thing is how they burn it in general, it’s simple. look, they say that everything is fine with daggers . and here they are already bringing to justice, so if you have good shooters, well, people who just signed there, obviously what they were told to sign, well, they told you everything. shoigu and gerasim are axed, but their cutlet is not well, yes, in principle, even all these famous warriors have already spoken about it, and why does it not correspond to the highest rank, well, that's it. they are spiders in a jar, but it's definitely our business to the bank was isolated, let them be alone. and please tell me, in this situation, in your opinion, is russia capable of escalating , and specifically, escalating with the use of nuclear weapons, there are risks, in fact, do you understand