[000:00:00;00] conditions of general mobilization, but it i would not say that this is a total mobilization do we need them for the offensive again absolutely and i think that how well one of our fighters who are often included said that he says that i have the impression that those who really wanted to fight already here, er, i hope that it is not quite so, absolutely right, he is absolutely soaked, in fact, already there, but, unfortunately, war is such a thing that even those who have never wanted to do this have to fight, and therefore i do not rule out that we will have to do waves of mobilization for you but until this summer they have not recruited enough, it is not necessary, they must be trained and equipped, sir. well, unless i , for example, there are 400,000 muscovites there now, as certain estimates are currently being made at the front. doesn’t this mean that we need to throw 2 million or even four

for in order to break through, like zhenya, ammunition and equipment for two million people, and just to recruit 2 million people, they searched for them under the military leaders and said well, this is not working for us, god grant the number of people we have now demobilized, god grant it is normal for everyone equip them and let's say and it's okay to train them, that is, well, we will not fight with meat assaults, we will not fight , after all, for a long time, precisely on untrained people with minimal equipment, just on heroism and on huge losses, it is enough that we experienced, it is clear that we will not advance like the wagnerites, we will not simply chase a wave of people who lie down, well, in that case, yes, you can not teach them to put a stick in your hands and say you run forward, you will still die behind you 10th somewhere, because the enemy will come will get tired well, we are we will not fight, and accordingly, we do not need 2 million, we need such an amount that

we need to properly prepare now and correctly conclude about the pessimistic scenario if, after all, they will twist ukraine's hands, as you said, and put their hands at the negotiating table with the russians somewhere i know in october or november of this year, will the russians also be wringing their hands, or do they want to sit down at this negotiating table? and what, when they want to, they just need it. they are not going to give up their tasks , that is, the complete destruction of ukraine, but for them a big break is needed to carry out a couple more waves of mobilization. and their mobilization system has its limits. let's say they need to resume work at their defense industry, which is not dead now, but paralyzed by sanctions . they are looking for a place to drill holes in these sanctions, so they need a break, ideally for them for at least six months, and that's why they are now launching all gentians, already through

the pope and through the chinese and even africans have been connected, so how is it that even their this mountain is not that recently er it is enough that the papuan iglea is enough, but in fact, they are already attracting all possible mediators so as not to plant this new narrative of theirs in the west. if before they had a narrative that russia always wins, i do not understand that everyone no longer believes in their new narrative, and russia did not win but it is also impossible to defeat russia , this war will still end in a draw, so let her drag it out, this is exactly the kremlin narrative that they are now feeding into their heads and in the west and through diplomatic channels, they are literally shouting, give us a break, this and

it is beneficial only for him. more for us, it is the opposite, almost a trophic scenario, well, since it is a draw, where in 20% of the territory lost, it is not something that suits us. and by the way, the former commander of the unit of the aidar battalion was with us, and now dmytro tuzhansky , director of the institute of central european strategy, founder of the open ukraine project, is with us . we will talk about hungary again on they will block the next one from the eu in the amount of 500 million euros of aid to ukraine, what is wrong with hungary this time, dmytro, welcome to our matter, good day, hungarians, they explain it , uh, well, this is leaked information. that is, it is not what happened, but your tampost wrote what is there somewhere inside in february of this year, volodymyr zelenskyi, being angry, called for negotiations with the vice-prime minister and the minister of economy

. it's just a top topic, they are discussing it all a lot, that this is not a friendly step, that this is even such a thesis that if ukraine does this, it will trigger the fifth article of nato. the government, well, in any case, they bring it up like that, i don’t know, you know, in hungary there is such a political media point of view, maybe no one leaked anything , they just wrote like that, but they directly wrote that they said we decided to block this package, then the answer to this is such an unfriendly organization, isn’t it? steps well, in short, for such information, that is, this is the matter now, but you know, the position of modern hungary is such that they are more looking for reasons to block something , postpone it for ukraine than if you knew, in fact, there are some reasons, well, if there is such a reason, yes, but none the less we did not see that orbán , for example, went there on may 9 to

celebrate putin in moscow. that is, this is not an acceptable step. that is, we also understood some red lines in this support of russia, as it sometimes seems to us that russia is white in politics. this is certainly not justified in our information space, only bad news about hungary reaches us, well, it is if in view of their political position, if it is so. but you have to understand that after all, hungary is a country. they are waiting for the program that was launched, the european programs of the european union are unique in that the european union has never financed weapons. yes, it was launched, if i am not mistaken, right after the invasion, and what is important during the rhetoric is that we are not helping ukraine militarily. hungary no spoke out against this money of the european union of its share, which should go to purchase, including detailed armaments, there were against austria

, ireland, if i am not mistaken, and malta, that is , you know well, if in the case of hungary with viktor orbán, it is about, you know, these 50 shades of gray, that is, they have well, if they take an anti-ukrainian position and a pro-russian one. it's still not the same level. when you go to the parade in moscow, is it there? well , i don't even know there. you know, it's necessary . it would be interesting to compare the actions of hungary with the actions of turkey, yes, that is, hungary clearly claims and applied for this video, turkey took it upon itself to be such a hub during the war, when there is a need, for example , to turn russian fuel into non-russian fuel, first pump it into turkey and then pump it from turkey to the european union or nato countries and so on you will bypass the sanctions, but hungary claimed approximately the same role, the only thing, luckily , turkey does not block anything for us, but in fact , if you look at the important decisions for

ukraine regarding the eu and nato, and hungary was not able to block anything, it is not a question of whether they they want to block eh. i think that part of orban’s entourage clearly wants to. they are preparing for vilnius themselves. there, we should talk again about the rights of national minorities. they are clearly in the fall until these conclusions of the european commission and the possible, based on the conclusions, of the start of ukraine’s negotiations on membership. that is, they are there. well, how they say they will drink our blood, but here you know, you need to see if this is not a feature of hungary only, that is, at one time, it was the same as romania, slovakia, when they were going to the european union, there it was in the late 90s, the beginning of the 2000s, see the history of the balkans and north macedonia. i really hope that this is not our experience, but there will be an approximate approach

, i will remind you that north macedonia was changing the name of the interpretation of official history. for 10 years, all of this was blocked by countries that are supposedly very friendly to ukraine, such as bulgaria, greece. in other words, we need to be ready if hungary tries to take away its master dmytro. how should we interpret this information? which used to be at the level of rumors, but andreszts is one of the key hungarian security experts, now he is in opposition to the government, and at the beginning of last year he worked in the hungarian rank-and-file center for strategic and security research, he confirms that when russia was already preparing in february 22 before the invasion actually before february, actually before the invasion, the troops were not only russian troops near the borders of ukraine, but near the western border there were also hungarian troops and

see all this is true, there is no reason not to trust him groshorats, he is one of the best european security experts, he didn't just predict a russian invasion, you know, that's the type well, i think the russians will invade there, he argued it from the point of view of open data, how russia was preparing and drawing up its troops to the border, that is, one cannot doubt his expertise now we can really reveal a little more data, and not only conventionally speaking, the hungarian troops must be understood as nato troops, including those under the border of ukraine. that is, everyone was preparing for, well, different scenarios so the only thing is that we have er in ukraine because of, well, hungary's attitude towards hungary is a conspiracy theory that hungary was preparing, well , if i didn't know there to occupy zakarpattia

by orban, kyiv will fall in three days and then the hungarian troops will enter, you know, by the way, it happened that i was in hungary working for an international city monitoring the elections. that ukraine will fall in three days if they had directly written to me, if hungarian colleagues there had said, so to speak, that dima, you are staying, if we were here, if, well, all of ukraine would be gone, there would be nowhere to return to . they were very strange, you know, you know, how they took you on the last journey when i indicated no- no, the guys are like, wait, i’m still in the city , i’m finished. i’m going back to ukraine, they looked at me like i was crazy, and they still look at me in principle, but look at the data we received there and there is. i worked checked from the ukrainian side, there were no plans of hungary. if there were any plans to invade, er, here is this narrative er, well, this is the result of distrust - it is conspiracy. and by the way, we at the institute have been monitoring that since september 2021 , that is, when russian troops stood near the border,

one of of the key narratives of the russians in the ukrainian and hungarian inform space, it was precisely to simulate a possible military clash between ukraine and hungary that they say the 128th brigade is urgently returning to transcarpathia to carry out the offensive of the hungarian troops there orban attends military exercises there and this is the preparation of the special forces for the landing in transcarpathia to protect transcarpathian hungarians. that is, this narrative is this conspiracy and this fear is of a russian nature, well, this is an old story , remember zhirynovsky there, he drew these maps and said that poland should take its own there willingly on its own romania on its own dmitriy medvedev constantly says this, you know, i don't know how to calm ukrainian society, but unfortunately, this and this conspiracy theory still believe in it, that is, they don't believe, i don't advise you to eat there you know, mr. petro, there is actually a very similar analogy. perhaps it also calms this sense, because exactly the same attempts

were made with regard to poland from the very beginning, and they also sent a lot of narratives that, well, poland will take lviv, they explained in what way , but it simply did not work. because the degree of penetration of ukrainian-polish ties is already so high that all people who know poles and all- polish politics, and there are many of them in ukraine , understand that this is simply an incredible narrative he can be in some such extreme marginals in the heads who do not even allow themselves to say it in public space , you are absolutely right and the situation with the hungarians is exactly the opposite due to weak ties , lack of dialogue, this council works sociologically, we measured this fear, by the way, in relation to poland, also in relation to romania, and indeed it does not work in relation to romania and poland, but it does not work in relation to hungary, unfortunately , that is, as of august 2022 and then we put it on february 2023. i do not want to

announce the numbers so as not to manipulate public opinion and not to fuel this conspiracy there, but unfortunately this trauma and fear in ukrainian society regarding hungary is present, what to do with him, i honestly do not know because this is the result of these political debates that appeared between ukraine and hungary, which appeared to be very uneventful and continue 17- th year and even before that , politicians very carelessly make all kinds of statements about all the historical hungarian lands about the protection of that, the protection of that, it is already postponed in public opinion because of how we will fix the neighborhood in me there is no answer yet, but it will have to be done. yes, for us, hungary is a country - there is a member of the senate , we like her or not, this is a question , it can be my love or not, but we have to live in the same family, and that is why we need to prepare for the so-called reconciliation and not enmity, but in hungary itself i am not talking about the government, but about the people, but this is the reconciliation they seek. what

are their moods, besides the fact that they continue to consider you a madman who is returning to ukraine? well, i have the opportunity to visit several times, by the way came back already after returning at the end of april, the place ran out, well, it’s not only hungarians, you know, then i was escorted by the same mission there, international people, they all looked very strangely, very strangely, but you will understand . they understand little about ukraine they know little about ukraine they have this problem that we are oppressing ethnic hungarians for them it is as if such a red rag is an indicator that is all they know about ukraine what is this something so incomprehensible similar to russia between us and russia that is being oppressed nocturnal hungarians. that's all. that's why we have to abuse a lot. well, actually, this . if i were to. we deal with our institution together, including. there is more understanding of the hungarians

. well, there is polarization, because it's clearly going there , conditionally speaking about the ukrainian position. - this is at the same time about the american position about the western position. and viktor orban is playing, including with it, not so much with anti-ukrainian rhetoric as with anti-western , anti-brussels, anti-american, and we fall into this narrative, but if you look there, there is such a professor from he dug the trenches, predeer sandor, he just organized very coolly, we are red, and ordinary hungarians donate , buy drones, bring humanitarian aid, the mayor of budapest went to kyiv when there were blackouts, brought generators , and even we are among the expert community in our country . well, i am not saying that there every month but every time if i have the opportunity to go somewhere or bring them , they come again and again. by the way, he just came to ukraine several times after the invasion, he also brought humanitarian aid, that is, this is

the human level of understanding, empathy and opening up to each other. it works. well, so far, it is not possible to convince the politicians, but you know, if this friendship and understanding between people should be preserved, because frankly speaking, i don't see any real reasons for ukrainians and hungarians to be enmity, moreover , we have a common history of fighting against empires and struggle with well, for decolonialism , hungary has come into its own history as well. thank you , mr. dmytro, for the conversation and for explaining hungary to ukrainians dmytro tuzhanskyi , director of the institute of central european strategy, founder of the riopan ukraine project was with us, by the way, about another country that is in the neighborhood of ukraine and that is now where his father lives, but that these interesting trends are noted and these trends scare russian propagandists terribly, because they now say that real nationalism began in belarus, that is, in russia it can only be russian nationalism

of other nationalisms, they do not allow a word there, they are very worried about the fact that it turns out that belarusian youth are learning the belarusian language , let's see my friend young people, where did you get that they are not belarusians, well, my son says, he comes and says and i am lytvyn, this is at the age of 16 and 17, where did they listen to the polish radio here in the belarusian language? well, in minsk, in brest, well, in fact, no one spoke belarusian, now they are starting to learn belorussian language, it's dangerous. it's really dangerous, you know it's dangerous , it's dangerous. our belarusian friends are adequate because belarusians. thank you for

remembering about its history and you are returning it and returning it to your young people who teach the belarusian language to the detriment of the muscovites, and actually the belarusians were called lithuanians. it is true that recently, just as ukrainians were called ruthenians , they were called lithuanians, and muscovites were called muscovites before that, mongol-tatars and idiots. love in boyko, volunteer von dubony, curator of the boombox project, contact us, mrs. love , welcome to our broadcast, tell us about this boombox, what it is. congratulations, our charity fund since the 14th fund of the year helps in various directions, it is medicine, engineering, and the legal project , in the last year of a special e-e, our social charity project bonbox e-e has gained momentum . the purpose of this project is to provide addressable

individual e-e sets for the basic necessities of the families of our defenders e. -e unfortunately, this year we have a very great need for hygiene products in products for the families of our defenders. every day we receive a lot of applications to us, and written questionnaires are available to fill out on our google form under each of our posts has a link where a representative of the family of our defenders can enter and fill out the help is specifically aimed at young children, among our partners are nova poshta and lviv ioreal and nova ukraine, now we are close 3.50000 applications are pending and unfortunately we are not

able to do it in our super er super team of volunteers we are doing our best but we are asking for your help to implement this project because we have to help the families of our defenders here while they are protecting us as of today, we missed our khrystyna yatskiv, our presenter, our colleague who is currently in donbas, she said that in principle there are still such gaps, in particular, regarding payments , for example, to the families of fallen military servicemen, unfortunately, there are a large number of such families, and while the e- it is precisely the fact of confirmation for ibels , for example, it can be months in fact, or at least weeks in this case, when , for example, the body is on a neutral , so-called lane in the gray lane, when they cannot

take it away, this often happens, you you know that a plane is a plane, unfortunately, there is such a category of persons , and we target and close it where there are small children, whose parents it can be. both mother and father, unfortunately, now there are a lot of women who were shot down, have gone missing or have been captured by e- previously, we also closed the internal movement of persons with small children, but unfortunately, now we focus only on the families of our defenders, because there are a very large number of them, and because hmm, looking at the number of applications we receive for help , i understand that, well, not everywhere are closed, so our help is needed more than ever and we ask everyone to join us, we are always open to cooperation under each of our posts, there are phone numbers, we are always ready to accept your help to communicate and we really ask

everyone to help by the way now eh dear our viewers see on their screens qr - the code where you can actually help the bon fund and help this particular bonbox project, like a bonbox for the children of our military, and you can actually join, and our viewers are people with a big heart. by the way, he has another our tv presenter khrestina yatskiv just wrote wonderful news about the collection of mrs. love, and i will also brag about it to you, but i think that our viewers, since one collection was closed, we collected for two years and for equipment for our defenders, who are now in the direction of bakhmut. those who wanted can join the gathering can also join the help we accept you as a person and who has products maybe products we will pack it all in our bombs

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