[000:00:00;00] i don't want to use such terms anymore, well, at least it's not serious, i would put it this way. thank you mr. oleksiy oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine about the main events of the international plan and, in particular , we talked about the situation in the odesa region , as it turned out there is no head of the military-civilian regional administration. well , let's hope that in the near future a candidate, or rather someone in the position of a competent person in charge, will appear . us in the program that as many as two guests are involved in our conversation taras zagorodnyi, an international political scientist and yuliya klymenko, a people's deputy of ukraine good day glory to ukraine we welcome you on the air espresso good day heroes glory to the heroes let's start our conversation with all these different plans

of peacekeepers for ukraine peacekeepers let's say well, we already had a chinese representative, so to speak, as if the holy see is preparing to send its special representative, one to ukraine, the other to muscovy, and here is the last one, so to speak the delicious cherry on this diplomatic cake was also the south african initiative, we understand that all those countries and their representatives, well, except for the holy see, they are included in a certain arbiter of interests and cooperation with moscow, saudi arabia, which today literally painted on this such a peace-making front taras, well, this means one thing that the russian federation is very afraid of a counteroffensive against the ukrainian army, understands that a lot can change and

there will be no conversation with putin at all, they are in in principle, such a policy has been pursued for a long time, what i can observe now, you know, you can characterize there are such, you know, in billiards there is such a term for a fool, uh, it will suddenly turn out that way because, in principle, the peak of persuasion of ukraine to leave the concessions of the russian federation, he passed and inside of last summer, he started to disappear after the kharkiv operation because there were fears in the west that aid to ukraine would not lead to a breakdown in general , the situation at the front would be all right, and russia actively supported this sentiment . but after the kharkiv operation, even on the west has already believed that ukraine will win, and that is why we are now observing, well, look at any and all situations when russia tries to grope for such ground. it

er accepts the services of all countries that come . certainly not free for some resource, china is actively helping here, no, you should not underestimate here, not only moscow, china is playing, it is also playing an active role e in order to persuade er to persuade to some compromises , territorial concessions and so on, but that’s what you know what you can call already without fanaticism, it will suddenly come out, that is, if earlier , well, let's be frank, three months from the beginning of the large-scale invasion , the europeans told us, they even had such a dredge plan, which is still, by the way, registered by the un when the prime minister - minister of italy at the time, to be more precise, and there, in principle, the same thing was said. we see such strange statements by mr. kis inger, who

began to make very cunning statements on the one hand. he says let ukraine join nato because it will be safe for us. but he has like that position a-a but let's take crimea out of parentheses, the problem is that these are two mutually exclusive two mutually exclusive concepts, because without the territorial value of the integrity and control of the entire territory of the internationally recognized territory, unfortunately, we do not know with nato , it will not be possible to enter there so quickly, extremely about your opinion on this topic. well, to be honest, i agree with most of my colleagues. but i think that here the main thing is playing the violin and we started to understand why it is so active. at one point , different countries from the orbit of russia began to appear. i would say that it is not only russia, but also china

since china has a serious influence on both the arab world and the african world, they have been systematically investing money there for a long time, they have huge resources, businesses there, and i want to tell you that they are faring much better there than in the americans or europeans, that is, they have the big ones don't pour in big resources and they have big benefits from the fact that they are actually in africa and in the arab world they are starting to dominate so i think that this is basically part of china's plan he is promoting it through different countries i don't i think that russia is definitely there, it is beneficial for russia now to stop the fire relentlessly, it is beneficial for russia to start negotiations and drag us into another negotiation process, and at this time to build up its military power, as they have always done and are doing, so, well let's not think that this is some system plan of russia, this is a system plan of china and they. i think that a weak russia is not always good for them

, that is, for them. they will be able to take away a large part of russia's resources, but a weak russia will lose many positions in asia, and yesterday was a big the article seems to be all nn on this occasion, on this occasion that russia is becoming weak and is not perceived by asian countries, and china alone cannot cope either, therefore, for them, russia must be weak but controlled and they will try to push this peace plan through various countries, well, china and africa, asia - this is clear, but the holy see, look, there is information that now it is not the pope himself , but two representatives will come, one to moscow, the other to kyiv, and the head of the italian of the episcopal conference, cardinal mateo zubka, by the way, he is considered as one of the candidates for the next pope. although not everyone supports him, archbishop

claudia gugerotti, a project-gregation of the eastern churches, a well-known muscovite , will go to moscow. the vatican's peace plan is either there or not. kyiv and moscow don't know anything about it, but the vatican claims that it exists . what are the signals from the vatican? i think the vatican set a complex story because the pope we are an argentine, yes, argentina is where such anti-american sentiments have always prevailed for a while, and this is the first thing, and the pope. and the holy see is always taras zavgorodnyi, an international political scientist, not part of our team. something knocked out mr. taras, we will hope that mr. taras continues his opinion literally in a minute friend, yes, and if not, i have a question for yulia klymenko, people's deputy

of ukraine, and in addition, i would like to remind you that ms. yulia was the deputy minister of economic development of ukraine. so, yulia, while mr. taras is joining us again, i would like you to ask about the decision, and about the powerful declaration from the g-7, in particular, they confirmed their financial readiness to provide financial and military support to ukraine, respectively , they will guarantee this support . well, the key story is the size . a financial piece in ukraine representatives of the g7 well, there are two aspects here first of all i believe that they will i i see all the signals that they will provide us until the end of the war until the moment we win

and in this there are clear signals at the parliamentary level from my colleagues and we see it at the gseven level. what will happen after that is the question, because ukraine itself must first of all do its homework and draw up a plan for its future and development and clearly we are not yet there to convey to the world. there we are holding some kind of road show with some very complex, incomprehensible projects. this is after post-war ukraine. it is questionable whether they will help her during the war. i am sure that we will be able to receive loans. and grants in order to pay all their obligations, e.e., for social payments, pensions and salaries for the military, which must definitely be increased because , e . that's why, actually speaking here in a positive way, they will definitely support the post-e reconstruction of the post-war reconstruction and

the post-war economy in general. i do not know there is a package of financial assistance. it would be, i don't know, 3 billion from each state, or they limited themselves to some kind of palliative option , such as 300 million there or 500 million . how much do you think they will not be ready? i think that each country will be it will not be decided separately, the pie is divided into 7. because i want to tell you that of course the representatives of gsaven are important, but the parliaments of the countries decide before. it is still in the amount of 48 billion, we have a large aid package

from the european union of 18 billion, but the question is what will happen in the 24th year, because at the end of the 23rd year , elections will begin, serious races, elections in america, presidential elections, and in india presidential, prime minister, party, parliamentary, and many other countries and at this point, we have to be very, very careful and not miss, let's say, a dialogue with our partners so that we don't play into the fact that we decided everything on jseven we don't need more there is nothing to do because the situation in countries is changing and you understand. if you have a presidential race in the usa, they will think first of all about themselves. how would this happen in all countries and not only in america, and a little later about ukraine? therefore, it is necessary just be vigilant and do not miss the moment of dialogue not only at the j7 level and not only at the presidential level and not at all other levels, governmental, parliamentary , public and many others, that is, you should not leave them and you should not relax taras

zahorodnyi, contact us again, sir taras, please continue your opinion on why the case of the holy see is more complicated than the story of china and saudi arabia . well, i said that mr. pope roman is an argentine, there is quite a strong anti-american sentiment. we do not know how much he is in favor of moscow . because in the soviet union, there was something from those times that actively played in that region , that is why there may be different configurations, this is the first papal throne, do you remember if it is about the history with nazi germany? and then there were many questions about how they behaved in relation to the nazis and how they cooperated, that is, you know, a specific condemnation of what was happening in germany, also from the papal throne, we did not hear it two, and the second

, and the pope, this pope takes an openly russofi position, see, for example , in relation to the moscow church and they have a position that it should not be banned, they even defend themselves somewhat. by the way , the ukrainian church of architects is suffering a lot because they are subordinate to the holy see and the position of the world throne is theirs listen well, yes, they have uh, yes, they have subordination and so on. i think that there is another hmm financial interest, we do not know because there is money that was invested in the vatican bank. we , too, because it is one of the most closed structures in the world in general, we do not know what everything is really happening there, and there is another trend

that the crimean popes are hearing that, mr. taras . continue. let's reconcile the ukrainians with the russians, they are all suffering from the war. and this is a purely left-wing theory that it is not the people who are to blame for the war, but rather the elites , the proletariat is colliding, relatively speaking, and that is why it is all superimposed on each other, and of course we do not like it because well, it shouldn’t be because you know that dante, allergy sufferers are still in italy, he wrote that they are the most severe. there is a paraphrase that is not severe . the corners of hell are for those people who in difficult

times took a neutral position in difficult times to take a neutral position. this position is impossible you are either here or there, or you clearly define what is good and what is evil, or you are openly on the side of evil, that is why the position of the papal throne is exactly that, as a channel of communication can theoretically be used, but there will be its own interest, but it is better to direct the energy of the holy see, for example on the exchange of prisoners. i think that in this direction he can work in this direction, he has the appropriate contacts, and there are enough mediators in ukraine. the same turkey is more effective. the mediator at least helps ukraine. weapons are not allowed. ships of the black sea fleet to the black sea in order for them to intensify the attack on ukraine, that is, here, no wonder, turkey looks more acceptable, er, an acceptable

peacemaker, well, actually, i would like to have mrs. yulia , we also mentioned turkey, yes, and as if two more months, the grain corridor will definitely work ms. yuliu, in your opinion, how did you manage to get the russians to agree to this whole story, so to speak. in the current phase, you know, the russians actually did not agree, and they do not agree, they simply do not technically give the opportunity inspections of vessels are simply inhibiting, it is not at the technical level, we definitely continued , but if you look at the comments , turkey clearly said that russia can stick to its opinion. most of it is ensuring security and passage in the grain corridor. i think that russia is not so much, that is, it may have given in a little, but it has the same position that

it had to slow down on technical the same number of vessels that can pass through these grain corridors. if earlier it was 20-25 vessels, now it is also on some days - it is 1.5-2 vessels that can pass and sometimes it is zero at all, that is why they chose such tactics for themselves but again well, i tell all my colleagues and i am absolutely sure that the best agreements on the grain corridor are the strengthening of our military navy because, unfortunately, we were russia will constantly blackmail us through this corridor and we see that on the ground by highways and the railway is also an issue because our neighbors, let's say, take a protectionist position and listen to their farmers who are on strike against ukrainian grain, and we see that restrictions are already being introduced, the further it goes

, the more it will be widespread, i would say so, that is, there will be elections in the same poland and they will be obeyed by farmers who have very serious lobbies in the government and in general at the political level, so let 's look soberly and think how we can settle our naval forces and give repulse, first of all at the military level, these are the best mountains of the grain corridor, now we will have to prepare for elections not only in ukraine, but also in all other countries that help us to be ready for any development of events, thank you yuliya klymenko narodna mp of ukraine and taras zahorodnyi, an international political scientist , and we are moving on. and now in touch with the studio valery rebekh, a military expert defense express glory to ukraine and valery glory to the heroes good day people good day, dear viewers

another success of the patriotic summer system, did anyone expect such a power and what could be such a result a-a well, for now we can talk about it virtually, because as far as i, uh, now there is no confirmation from the air about the monitors of forces, but of course the first step is the report of the western press about such a possibility, uh, it gives a certain optimism . for us, it is, of course, uh, it brought fear, both day and night, for our enemies, and uh , of course, very uh- well, we suspected that something might have gone wrong with the enemies when they were behind one day at once there from 4 to 5 sideboards of different types eh fell unexpectedly and eh how does malo understand their own

anti-aircraft defense was blamed well if it eh was entrusted to the patriot such a mission of this it is very good because at least one of of terrorist tools that the occupiers are happy to use , it is the nightmare of the border territories of chernihiv , sumy, kharkiv regions with constant air attacks, dropping of hovering bombs and air-to-ground missiles well, it must stop and of course, with the saturation of our anti-flood defense systems such as petriv will allow us to drive the enemy to a distance of about 80 to 100 km from our border, they can go even further, if we still get f16, not

if, but when, most likely because it is the f16 that makes it possible to detect the work of enemy aircraft at distances of up to 300 km and to strike air targets of the enemy at distances of up to 150 km, so the patriot is good. this is the first step, we need to saturate our defense by similar systems e and here there can be two ways as of course, waiting for additional receipts of these effective systems from our partners , and it should be said that the air force of the armed forces of ukraine has fulfilled its important mission, that is , they have done everything for the successful promotion of this system on the international market, so

as bonuses, we were supposed to keep a few more complexes of similar missile systems, and of course, the hard work of the coalition of fighter jets, in particular, after receiving them at 16 , will still start work and it will turn out to be the same there as the tank coalition is already known so what are we waiting for a decision, well, it's not soon , and there are already certain positive signals in this regard, so valeriu, there are positive signals without a doubt. well, but there are publications with negative signals, in particular, just a few days ago, a publication appeared on american politico it is about the fact that one of the scenarios is being worked out in the united states, in particular, in the biden administration , what to do if there is a conflict and war

, freeze, we understand that the russian federation was not interested in freezing the conflict, so well, for the stay of its own forces and so on, on the other hand, i wouldn't make this into an extremely large, scandalous case, because, well , in any administration , several scenarios are worked out at once, a scenario and a scenario without a scenario, this one and so on , including the scenario of nuclear armageddon that is, the fact that such things are being worked on is very correct in general, but if we turn to the reality, in particular, of what is happening now on the front line and the desire of russia to freeze, so to speak, how do you assess the current moments?

just the appearance of such leaks of information is evidence of the desire of the military-political leadership of the partner countries of ukraine to somehow influence the situation to their own pain, and in fact , such vitamins can achieve several things. well, two that lie on surface, it is, firstly, to send some important signal to the opposing party, and secondly, what i hope to mislead her , well, it is also not excluded that there is also the possibility of reaching no persons, the price is one thing, however, it should be noted that well, by and large, we are we see now that against the background of such statements, a major diplomatic act is taking place there, there is a meeting in the gsaven format, there is a visit of the chinese envoy, who is trying to create conditions

for china to take a place at the table let's say, where will the issue of war and peace be resolved? of course, during such important events , all kinds of statements with exactly the opposite goals can be heard, but it should be noted that it is still the armed forces of ukraine who play the main role and the violin here from them active actions and uh, at the moment, just the trends, they uh, show what is growing

. i hope that this summer company will bring a lot of surprises, good for us, i hope, and bad for the enemy, mr. valery. are you with us ? oksana, we will in any case inform you about the scandal stupid statement of the secretary of the russian security council , patrushev well

, i don't know if this is from the category of some clinical statements or if he just doesn't understand well. a radioactive cloud has formed, which is already moving towards the eu. well, this is what the russian lying agency and the telegraph agency of the soviet union are writing about. well, we do not believe them , but we have an expert in order to adequately now it is strange, to say the least, to make a statement about this destroyed stockpile of ammunition, with a poor memoran we understand that these are the shells that are most likely being talked about. that is, it is talking about cores with depleted uranium that cannot explode because it is well, it doesn’t fit into any tactics at all . the technical characteristics of valery ryabikh

. according to the idea, he has now resumed contact with us. as our pp worked well in various cities, in particular in central and western ukraine, they told us that it was us by ourselves and that we used little non-nuclear weapons here , i don't know for what reasons we should do it and we are already in touch valery ryabykh on the news, contact mr. valery please continue your opinion against the background of similar statements coming from different corners of the world, as well as increased diplomatic activity. of course , the actions of the armed forces of ukraine and... in particular er we have certain positive signals about the fact that the preparation of the boyarka field is starting little by little, where the future offensive actions during the summer campaign and there is great hope that these

offensive actions will be carried out . it is the actions of the armed forces of ukraine that will be able to turn those uh into some constructive moods or moods to negotiate with an international terrorist that should not be and will show that this is a wrong approach and the world must be returned to the operation of international law which was trampled by the aggressor state, which started this very international crime of military aggression. valery ryabikh, a military expert from defense express, was in touch with us and talked about what needs to be done to win this war. and why are you and i saying goodbye to antin for a short time because now

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