[000:00:00;00] poland's experience. we started our privatization, but then lukashenko nationalized everything that was privatized. after coming to power , we will go through this path for him and we have to worry about it. to integrate the belarusian economy into the world economy into the european economy, and now they have returned from reykjavík to the council of europe themselves, and ukrainian leaders were also there, they talked about ukraine and belarus, everyone is ready to help you make changes, they say help us make a change out of me. now we will say. i think there will be no problem with advisers and with expertise, including from the aforementioned council of europe. and this nightmare is the lukashenko system, where every official, every state enterprise simply looks

the boss in the mouth or in the mouth of the president's administration can't make decisions on its own, and most of those state-owned enterprises generally live on subsidies . well, there is another problem, like mine, with the fact that all these state-owned enterprises are one way or another dependent on russian subsidies. imagine the belarusian economy without russian support, how to change it at all, we are talking now about the huge problems that will be for the ukrainian economy after the war and we do not even imagine their scale, but i have the impression that in belarus without any war the problem is absolutely similar well, we will build practically from scratch in every buza is interested in the fact that during the last 20 years the only successful sector that lived without subsidies and generated a lot of profit and taxes is the iq sector, this is the only sector where lukashenko does not particularly fit in and it developed very successfully too began to appear and the services of the service sector began to develop not with the support, on the contrary, by interfering with all these

limited legislative measures that lukashenka introduced. i think that not everything that is left of the soviet union will remain in belarus. it is possible to trade and what is currently exported most from belarus to the world is oil products and potash fertilizer, so we will have to think carefully about how to reform them because these are the resources that feed the country but now these resources are feeding lukashenka personally and in in principle, as far as lukashenko is concerned, i can now hope that his entourage will continue to preserve the state that he built , can this state really exist without lukashenko , oh, this is like a remote question. i always thought that the system was built so personally under lukashenko that when he disappears, how are these for 5 days, what we have seen is that the system is paralyzed, even the state websites

of bilton, the lukashenko news agency, they did not know what to write about and posted there about the zoo. it seems that it will not be able to function in the same way as it functioned under lukashenko , eh, and reforms will be needed, and i think that many people are technocrats who are now in power, they are what they can do, and there is even one group of officials, they were once close there in rumusom, allegedly, and mckeith they had a number of other ministers there, who were called such liberal reformers, so they are not in favor now, they have now moved back there to the 5-6 plan , now the security forces only need lukashenko, but this whole caste group, the clan, he will be very necessary during the reforms, those who did not participate in crimes, uh, did not feed the repressive apparatuses, did not support the war, i think

they will have a chance to drag out, not all, but they will be able to talk about it, work in the new belarus, the wound, the last question is simply a question of knowledge or ignorance. ukrainian intelligence told us that this people's deputy shevchenko, who was considered by many in ukraine to be so pro-russian, so bad , and it turns out that he was a ukrainian spy and , while carrying out the task, persuaded lukashenka to fight against ukraine so intensively in general, does anyone in belarus know about this, or is there any information about the ukrainian intelligence about the ukrainian people's deputy, if he says bohdan is not a spy, and why to the mediators? because the mediator , what will he get ? they don't tell the truth, please tell the council no, well, it's hard to say here, but i think that exactly

lukashenko listened, not shevchenko, he listened to putin , uh, he consulted, including the security forces, that the belarusians did not enter, maybe there is some there is the factor of this shevchenko, but i would not exaggerate his family, thank you all in the morning, the party adviser to the belarusian position holder svitlana tikhanovskaya, in fact , the president of belarus - this is svitlana tikhanovskaya well, now we have to go home home because there is also at home you will not believe that there is corruption in ukraine, i tell you i i myself was until literally, recently, i have nothing corruption bodies , so there must be corruption, one cannot exist without the other, there cannot be bees without honey, i do n’t know , i don’t know

analysts, blogger, yes, congratulations. good health. well, let's talk. is this the beginning or the end of the arrest of the head of the supreme court? ukrainian society can now say: oh, this is the beginning of the capture of the highest officials, or ukrainian society will say: well, they detained someone, or something, it is not known how they will imprison him or him. yes, and somehow he will be released later. that is, this is the beginning of a real struggle, what ukrainians have been waiting for since 1991. is this the end of this struggle , because they took deputy ministers of such and such, and now they finally took a high you can calm down and continue to live peacefully with this same corruption , let's start with mr. mark savchuk ah, this is a very good question. good evening to you ah, my answer to this

is that the struggle continues. overcome or that this is the beginning of the end of great corruption. unfortunately, i cannot say so. because time goes by and everything changes over time . formed anti-corruption bodies but they are currently in such a state that they work so poorly that they can be liquidated and created anew, so far we have demonstrated a very good case. and the case against knyazev means that we and

sap were able to save it. we ask yes, please, panologist, if yes, please, yes, i have a question, what is the beginning, what is the end, what is the beginning for me , uh, god, let something come out of this. look, all this has to be in court in due time and end with a verdict, taking into account that we are dealing with lawyers very serious and so on. well, it's not like that, it's just the way it is. there is hope that it's real because in this case we managed to document a lot that they will really be able to prove the composition of the crime here and finally i will hear you know how many more years under the previous authorities, relatively speaking, they drank blood from ukraine in all ways, and the imf and all the rest, finally give us the right to have our own listening

without other organizations, the sbu and so on. have seen results in this regard and finally it is very similar to what we are dealing with where listening and documenting language and so on can play an absolutely critical role in the court and it will finally be possible to somehow bring such a high-ranking person to justice for corruption. by the way, for what. if only there will be an article, then it will still have to be looked at and thought about. actually, if you take the legal plan of the case as a matter of fact, not everything is so simple, not everything is so unambiguous, you know if it was about an official who signed a certain document and received a bribe for this is one story if we are talking about a judge and

in the grand chamber a collective body that made a certain decision uh, this is a completely different story and uh, that is, one person for sure in this case, even if he took the money , he does not have the authority to accept for the entire chamber of the decision so what i am saying here is also the qualification of this crime. there will still be a lot of work, god willing, it will be successful, and in general , and by the way, mark is back. come on, i would like to ask him just now, let's listen to him . then let's listen to what i have there there will be a couple of questions, please, mark, if you're done, then i'm right. i have a question for you. i just wanted to say that the fact that we were able to turn this matter around shows that they can

to do things in a very secret way so that no one would know, not even the state leadership. i would like to correct karl volga a little more in the nabu, at the moment there is no wiretapping of their own, they can only wiretapping together with the sbu, that is, they do not have their own wiretapping yet. well, then we will start such as kavardacty, all small they will have their listeners, well, god is with him, i have such an important question. it seems to me that the ukrainian legal machine is ready today, let's imagine the best option, there is a political will, there is a president, there is a parliament, all this is legislation, everything is fine and there is a political will to arrest him if he is guilty, but this well, we need to set up a base, we need to arrest it, we need to monitor it, we need to eavesdrop, we need

to prove it, it all goes to court, and then it goes to the international court of human rights in europe, and if there are holes there, holes, but imagine the ukrainian law enforcement system of the last 23 years, where there is bribery here and there and here and there, it is hard for me to imagine that they trained these law enforcement officers to perform their work qualitatively, not to order, but to perform their work qualitatively in accordance with the law. in ukraine, are they all bribers, because at least people think that there are at least 50% bribers, that means 50%. cases will be closed for bribes that's all , well, look at the plan ah, knyazeva, i understand your question. it's very good. because if purchased

saps do not do their work procedurally correctly, so regardless of the court's verdict, they will be able to overturn a--a certain court decision is true and that's why it is when we will have the first accused sentenced with wax against some very big officials like nikitas there, i don't know granovsky, there are people from privatbank knyazev, the same thing, and so on, and we'll see how successful the defense 's appeal will be. and then if the defense feels confident, they will go to the trial and to try to overturn the decision of the vax court in ukraine, ah, at the moment, say unequivocally that this will not happen, that there is a spl, there will be some decisions that do not overturn the decision, ah, because at the moment , we have cases in nabu that were procedurally, uh

, there are problems that's why, uh, i am, and even if the accused is sentenced to death, there is such a possibility that due to the uspl, the defense can overturn such decisions, therefore, your question is very timely, it is very correct, but to answer your question, do we have such tools at the moment, because if you documented the person correctly here's how knyazev knyazev was accepted, and directly on the bribe transfers, i don't think there will be any problems proving his involvement in well , in addition to the fact that he took a bribe and to the accused verdict of the court bucks karl, what do you think there is a toolkit, there is a sufficient amount of law enforcement potential to that that yes, for one prince, all of nabu was probably enough for one prince. and if there are 145 princes or 450 princes or 4,500 princes, and something tells me that there are not even 4,545,000

of these princes in the whole of ukraine, well , look, the competence of nabu is the highest officials, so they definitely don't have to consider all 45,000 of them, there are a lot of other officials who are responsible under the supervision of other bodies of this police, in some places, the sbu, and so on, so it's absolutely not about that, it's me i would also like to reassure everyone a little bit about the yes, listen, the spl does not cancel the decisions of the ukrainian courts , they can simply admit that a certain decision does not comply with the convention and so on. i have one that i won against the state of ukraine, but i don’t have any review, it’s an economic matter, there’s no chance, because

10 years is a short term, after which cases are reviewed, it’s already passed there , 11 years have passed when you asked, i made my decision. so don't worry too much about the verdicts for our bribers. they'll still have time to sit well while you were sleeping. they'll get to them. let's face it, it's not about that , it's about how decent it will look in court this time. it seems from the fact that we we hear about this case that was documented so successfully and seriously that what in another version would not have been possible even if we had taken it on the spot without documenting the previous one without a word without instructions how to arrange the cases in which cell er, that is , money, which cell, which classes the mechanism to do this without this documentation would be very, very difficult to prove

, fortunately, according to everything, we have, in principle, completely kosher documentation, so there is hope that this case will not end in a simple blow, like many others that our law enforcement officers are very concerned about they like to tell stories and then there is no verdict, there are such persistent rumors. can you comment on them? do you believe these rumors? it’s speculation. i don’t have any photos and there are no records. the supreme court has lost a million from the transferred prince. he is somehow like this with a bribe. the number was like this then some other one and somehow the people started thinking hello well, they already took a million and still there is no money where can we give the money yes mr. mark yes it is true i cannot tell you exactly how much marked

money was not found but speak in court they said that not all the money was found. that's the truth. and what you should understand in this case is that the pre-trial investigation is still ongoing. that is, the fact that the princes are currently under arrest and he is under suspicion as well as the head of one of the bar associations and this does not mean that there will be no suspects, because in the wiretaps with knyazev, he says that he will please distribute this package to 13 more shares. that is, we know for sure that there are at least 13 more people, and probably many people from these 13 these are the judges of the grand chamber. and i, of course i don't know what, but at the moment the nabu has also conducted searches of all the judges of the large chamber, and well, we will have to wait to find out what

it will be. they found the money there, but it's true that not all the money was found, it's true. and karl volga political analyst blogger thank you very much and we are from ukraine to georgia to georgia nonna mamulashvili opposition politician pushing the political platform gamziri ukrainian do we speak in russian russian okay it is possible in ukrainian i am just unfortunately i will answer in russian yes, okay, well, let's read the message. yes, it started today. i don't know. of course , it's an amazing, perfect story, because when russia stopped it, it was before the war , before the sanctions against russian airlines . now, by and large, georgia just puts he will present himself to western secondary sanctions against his own airlines

. i'm speaking logically, please no, i think that this is no, similarly, this is just a continuation of the policy that was carried out by the georgian government. what they call pragmatism, but unfortunately pragmatism does not always end very pragmatically for all my inogens, they expected that even from the side of russia it will pass, it will pass again, and more and more provocation and uh, here we first received an excellent visa regime, which has already been 22 years ago, uh, between that is, on the one hand, russia

introduced it, and today he flew to us eh -е russian е-е plane е-е well, again, it is possible to say the same thing about a-a . uh, our uh, our government is very fast, and i found these lozeki and here it is everything is used because in any arguments they say that other countries also fly to russia and no one with sanctions and no one threatens them with sanctions so i think that from the side of the western countries these sanctions should be reconsidered once again and it's already running out because they must be if they are already punishing russia , they must already punish russia specifically and not leave any blades so that this kind of thing does not happen later, but here you see a takoy simple but maybe there was a difficult question and how

will georgia vote in the next elections because all the behavior of the government says that the government is pro-russian, and sociologists say that the georgians want nato, not the government, it is the population, the people said that they want europe, they want nato, they want the european union , and they vote for the georgian dream. they can understand nothing about what is happening in general . saakashvili continues to sit on humanitarian grounds. i do not know georgian politics. to put him in the hospital, and now we will defend ourselves from the hospital and go to prison , well, look, they were pardoned .

unfortunately, the georgian government does not respond to this request from society, but it continues to be a-a, mmm, it has some kind of base that still votes, but again, now if i tell you how it all happens, i i think we won't have enough of this hero, but ah, there's another one the peculiarity of the georgian dream is due to its propaganda, which is very serious in georgia, but it still manages to show that it is leading the country in the right direction, because the draft laws are being adopted. on a technical level, everything is actually done correctly , because if you look at how georgia today fulfills the requirements of the european union, then from a technical point of view , there is little that can be done except, of course

, judicial reform and judicial reform. in for the most part, but when it comes to political issues, there is a very big problem here, because here we are already talking about the fact that political decisions are not made correctly and such that the country needs. get the status of a candidate, but on the other hand, we see what is actually happening and how they do it, so it will be difficult to sit on two chairs , but for now, the georgian government of the contingent that votes eh, that’s all, and the reception remains because no one believes eh, completely, that the georgian government is already pro-russian, that is, already russian , well, look, that’s yes, yes, please, look , eh, the petrolheads will remain

billionaires if that’s the case will go and the goods georgia will remain in it european structures that is putin's dream beautiful everything will remain as it was nothing has changed georgia a friend of russia eh gasoline found a billionaire putin he wanted a lot, but i think that nothing will work out of what he wanted, and it will not work out, and it will also not work, and reunification will return georgia to the russian empire under the eyes of the russian empire. and today we had rallies, and the same thing happened in march, when the georgian government decided to introduce this specifically russian law , and i am talking about innocents because there is a moment, and when society simply understands that it is should er-er specifically show what it is

is happening against some decision of the government, which is leading the country wrongly, this is the part that the georgian government tells us about. to the russian federation and the politicians of the russian federation who will lead our countries. i think that this is already no propaganda will help despite all the efforts over the last nineties 12 years a-a so that putin's dreams a-a i think that they will end er-e enough quickly and quickly, and they will end with the victory of ukraine, and i think that our guys who are fighting in ukraine today, they are just helping us somehow. go through this moral discomfort that we feel because we have such power today.

the question you just touched on is that ukraine will win. god bless us all to wait for this, but the war and the war and the fog of the war have not been canceled by anyone and here we will present the whole picture weakened russia weakened russian army aa excuse the mess in the kremlin this is the government that is now. this is gasoline and this environment , they are taking care of it. well, let abkhazia continue to be obkhazia. today's authorities are such that i'm afraid that they won't say well, now they took it from us many years ago well , well, and what?

the geopolitical situation is not only in georgia, but i think that it affects everything in the world, that's why it affects not only our countries specifically , but also directs it to the entire region. i will never be able to provide it. i will introduce it. abkhazia and scanvali regions are separate territories and they do not represent the territory of georgia. what is happening now is the occupation. no georgian government will be able to oppose it. to say that these territories do not belong to georgia now . i think that the world community is also not allowed because the territory of georgia is recognized as such. and what kind of russian government was not in power now? well, it is very important for all of us that these territories, at some point

, return under the eyes of the official power of georgia, but you see, that’s the question we get here. a lot of information although she is like that well, it is not so easy to get, but ukrainians know that in crimea everything in crimea is very nervous, and crimeans are nervous, and those who came to crimea from russia and the russian army are trying to leave, they are trying to somehow sell apartments that in general, they are falling in price. what is happening in the yanval region and what is happening in abkhazia? there is some information in georgia about that, they are also resins. this is also the black sea. here it is nearby. here is crimea. here is ukraine.

here is a possible counteroffensive. but i don't know очень скудное окное очень е-е regions that are now е-е controlled by the russian federation а-а but i think that е- after the russian federation ceases to be the so-called peacekeeper in these territories who а-а we will be able а-а to restore everything the relations that we had were the beginnings of separatist conflicts in the 90s and in abkhazia and vasya and because today there is a decisive factor that is the russian presence these territories are what i thought er, he is already a civilian by civilized civilian methods, and he will return to this territory, it will be much easier and much easier , and also with the help of our international community, look, well, we already talked about saakashvili, and i would like to clarify, after all, he is a citizen of ukraine, how is his health in general, he