[000:00:00;00] these regions are now controlled by the russian federation, but i think that after the russian federation ceases to be the so-called peacekeeper in these territories, who will we be able to restore all the relations that we have with you? there were the beginnings of separatist conflicts in the 90s and in abkhazia, and vasya, and because today the deciding factor is the russian presence, and after russia weakens, how will russia withdraw from these territories? i thought that he was already a civilian by civilized civilian methods it will be much easier and much easier to return to this territory, and also with the help of our international community . look, we were talking about saakashvili, and i would like to clarify, after all, he is a citizen

of ukraine, how his health is a factor in georgia or on it. everything has already been spit out and no one is interested in it, after all, it is not a political humanitarian issue , as i already said, saakashvili was the third president of georgia, he played a very important role in what was happening in georgia, for that go forward when he was the president, and georgia has changed a lot in georgia in a positive sense. at the time when saakashvili was the president, therefore, his existence was ignored, and especially what he does now is happening to them. what is his health now? i think that this not only is it difficult for georgia, but we see how our international partners also respond and call on you, georgia, on the humanitarian line , to transfer him to a third country where he can receive medical treatment

service, but unfortunately, you see that this decision is being accepted today in the kremlin, not in georgia, and it will be very difficult. to putin, he is personally not in her, no, we do not love him, he is not a friend, and he specifically said that he would punish saakashvili. i don't understand for his life, but okay, if you don't have any questions no, let's move on already thank you thank you well, mamula shvilya, opposition politician

, founder of the political platform gamziri, thank you for your attention and we will go back to ukraine. but also a person who understands and is not easy to far eastern research, mr. igor , thank you for joining us. thank you very much, it is always a pleasure to do business with you . so, let's start with the second round anyway elections, what is there, according to your opinion, mr. igor, that is, in turkey, you just move a little like that yes, well, in general , well, i was a woman, now i have a husband, some such well, what does it happen, yes, but in georgia, oh, turkey, it’s some kind of disaster, just some kind of disaster, where will i go somewhere from here, let's see who will win p ihoru kylichdara glu cherdakan and you know this is a good, good question, which in principle seems simple at first glance, yes, because erdogan has

49% there, conditionally speaking, as it was, 45% was shaken, and if we take into account that for victory cup daraglu, we need at least a couple of million votes, but if the answer is very simple, but i think that at least they will try, the opposition will fight to the end. now they are changing their rhetoric, they are speaking more to the youth. they are trying to mobilize the nationalist electorate. that is, the group that is dissatisfied with ertugan, but er, because of well, let's say, um , ideologically, not uh, ideologically, such a mix of the opposition, you are ready to vote for the kerch road

, and today we see that the rhetoricians are becoming more and more tough, and the issue of refugees becomes a group, which means, accordingly, the end of the movement, at a minimum, it does not announce a date, what kind of government will it be able to send all the refugees back to syria , it is possible that these statements will find a response in the hearts of turkish specialists who are actually so creative, let’s see. but as of now, after the task is much easier than in klich dear igor and tell me what is the turkish tradition, well let's conditionally say that erdoğan wins

with 51 in fifty-one and a half 52%, and his opponent gets 49, well, that is, after all, it is almost half of the population will erdogan take into account the 49% that his opponent has, will he be more cautious or vice versa, well, like putin, relatively speaking, i won the elections there in 1999. i already have everything. i spit on everything, i do only what i need to the opposition is not an indication, well, first of all, there is no tradition, that is, in other words, this is the first election where erdogan is not elected in the first round, which means that it is very difficult to say now how ortogal will behave, whether he will pay attention to the opposition or not position or he will say that the people gave me carte blanche and

accordingly, we will implement all those programs that we want to implement yes well, i think that the key issue for everyone is the issue of economic transformations in turkey, we see how the stock market reacted negatively to erdogan's first place and you can imagine how expensive business money will react and the market for victory. well, here you can only imagine that. well, to be honest, this tour is a very difficult situation, that is, on the one hand, they do not want to change the player because they were not used to him, and it pleases them uh the opinion of turkey as a large country that actively influences international processes, and on the other hand, they see specific troubles in

the economy. and they would like to change it as it is , to combine the hedgehog, this is already its own big problem, and to explain that such a thing is kolidzharov stupid lag on yordagan by only 4%. it's really 50x50 by and large what to remember 2 million voters yes 2 million voters yes but in the parliament like this i would say an obvious success the party guessed what to say well no, it is not obvious because these are the successes of rodogan without doubt because erdogan does not have a majority, but not a qualified majority , that is, they cannot change the constitution, they can simply form a government, they can vote for certain proposals of erdogan , but not more than that, that is, if you look at the previous composition of the government, then they had

the opportunity to change the constitution that is, there was a qualified majority, now there is no such thing okay. and then imagine the picture that in parl, that the opposition is winning, and in the parliament, the majority is for erdogan, that the unit will redo the constitution again, that now he is the prime minister and not the president, everything is the other way around back well, they won't be able to redo the constitution now, what will the situation be in general well, look, what does that mean, they won't be able to do anything kemalka or golu said that after the presidential elections he wants to make turkey a parliamentary republic here he used to come to the parliament and say let 's change the constitution, uh, his party says yes , and the udagan party says yes, i'm udagan, he becomes the prime minister according to the wishes of the party after the early elections, we understand perfectly

that the president, in accordance with the powers of the president, he can dissolve the parliament and hold new elections. that is, the situation is also exactly one of the feints that the orthoguard wanted to make, that is, let's suppose that he thought that the parliament would take the opposition, yes, according to those polls that were he used to come as president, uh, there , for about a few months, he was messing around with this parliament , you say, you see, this parliament is inadequate, it is dissolved, that is, even then only three come to the parliament, the same feint can repeat it once, but for this they are expensive it is necessary to win the elections like mine, now a little bit about the economy, yes, they really go blindly, as they say, our russian katsap, er , muscovites, but er, what is the editor doing? he is for the village

and against the city. well, very vulgarizing the situation . that is, it is not very vulgar well, that is, he gives some opportunities to the poor, but the average people suffer from inflation like crazy in the cities, and these people are concentrated in the cities, as i imagine it . maybe i'm wrong then. one is flaky the economy, that is, there is such a very strange situation here, according to my boyish, no, economic mind, to what extent do these problems of inflation affect the electorate, that is, if you look at the newspapers, even the ukrainian one. that is, for erdoğan , who changed the heads of the national banks and

created opportunities for this crazy infection . well, first of all, he did not just because inflation arose because he changed the heads of the national banks, he canceled the independence of the national bank and the main thing is that he introduced his islamic financial system or is trying to introduce it and yes, of course, this is a paradox, and it means, first of all, there is a new middle class that became rich thanks to the reforms carried out, including by the artoga government, yes, that is, here we can to say that such and such exist, they also really suffer from problems, but this is a conservative class, that is, a class oriented , among other things, to islamic values, and this also affects the windows of these people. well, besides that, i got this impression, and my fellow turkologists confirm that

the turks have a very similar idea to the ukrainians, if only they had an idea of ​​their own, that is, they may well come from such and such an option, and turkey of the geopolitical international, what do you say under the conditions of the victory of the opposition, nothing will not change the same support for azerbaijan, the situation in syria is quite neutral , let's say it is mild with uh, the situation with nato, that is , it is not accession or something like that, maybe more contacts, but still, it is hardly possible to imagine that turkey will join the european union in a broader step, er, such relations with russia , well, that is, nothing will change in the international context. can something change according to the opposition? i would say yes there, er, changes

are possible. change well, for example, sweden is in nato, yes. that is, it will be accepted immediately. and if the improvement of relations with greece , it can be quite fast, and the improvement of relations with france can be. that is, whether it is easy to come, of course, the support of azerbaijan, that is, it is not discussed. by sports it is problematic for the syrians because if the kylyshna rahlo will be forced to fulfill his promise, then he will have to negotiate on a rough basis, there is on terms for the first time, yes, what will erdogan definitely not do, but in any case, foreign policy a-a in the conditions of economic troubles , it is postponed and turkey will be able to return to it if it is a physical ragu to return in a few years after that i will

stabilize the economy under erdogan there is no such thing if the irkgan disperses all trends and uses as much as possible he plays through which and please tell me, here they talked about the acceptance of sweden's donation, do you think that the erdoğan parliament will not pass this decision? will it still be decided what will happen there? well, the point is that what erdogan will say will be done by the erdogan parliament here. do you need to clearly understand the question, erdoğan now he declares that he will not change anything, but i assume that this is, so to speak, part of his pre-election campaign, where he has to show himself as a very cool leader, if his word is very good , and i think that the russians here played along with erdogan's grain agreement, well, precisely in order to

not to create problems for him and with this on this issue, and therefore , uh, he uh, circumstances, he will be able to negotiate, but for this , well, there is not enough time and we will see. in principle, i think it is 50/50 that erdogan can change his point of view, he will say no, sweden has already done everything, we have decided, we are here, we have held secret negotiations . yes, she tried, and the parliament will say okay, where to ask. and inside, there is an interesting question, how, somehow, i have never even met igor about this, and i was reprimanded inside the party, so you just said that how, let’s say so and that is, there will be. and about the tunisians, there is no unity there, there is no right, left, middle, such opportunists. there are islamists like that, you know from me, they are fisbolists, i would say yes, but i am archana, but no, there are also simply uh, also

so-called allies a reprimand, but five five people, but they are rather imprisoned not on foreign policy, but on domestic policy of strengthening there with islam yes in the country, that is, in matters of foreign policy, they will adhere to party discipline, block discipline, and more likely because there is the same block but that's the end dear, he said, i will drive everyone out, which means refugees. and how is he? well, he somehow explained it, well, he needs to, or you said that you were with bashar to negotiate, but financially, it is necessary to have some billions, if they are not simply thrown abroad and you can die, you have to feed the camps, create that is, or the europeans, or i don’t know, the americans, or the un, or that is, for this you need some millions of people who need to be fed

, watered, toilets put money, money and money , that is, how can it be organized simply well here's where to get the money, er, buildings - construction for this, for another, for the fifth, for transport, for transportation, for the treatment of these people , millions, and so on, that's the question. with the americans, but on the condition that if you drop dara glo, a very rapid rapprochement between europe and america will begin now and negotiations will begin, including regarding syrian refugees, that is, how can it be done? well, here we understand that europe and america will not go there to violate civil rights of these of people and eh hmm, it means that he wants the turks to completely withdraw

their troops from northern syria, eh, this is also a very difficult option for a trap for a number of globes, and therefore it turns out that yes, this situation hangs in the air , that is, the word has been said, but how to implement it is absolutely unclear, and in principles, if we talk about the recent past of turkey. so when next to the afghan were his associates absolutely capable of some kind of independent political activity, such as the former president gül, let's say so, where did all these people go, why did it turn out that the party comrades turned into such a typical difficult project well, the fact is that they simply ran away , well, if they turned out to be yes, they turned out to be unable to cooperate with zer tugan already when he felt his strength and when he decided on his own er-er when turkey became more and more authoritarian er-

is an authoritarian country, that is, in this case, if we are talking about the turkish miracle, we are talking about the economic miracle of the zero years, then without a doubt, without this, without this team and this miracle, it would be impossible, this is true, but now he just grabbed a beard for god's sake for a beard and i believe that he can do anything. and tell me how it turns out, on the one hand, we see a country in which julianists are arrested by packs of journalists, courts of public figures, the leader of the party, the people of the democratic party, like in turkey, demyan tash sits in the prisons, you can continue this list as if people should be afraid to live on the other side , they go, half vote against yes electoral democracy electoral authoritarianism and electoral democracy how can this be so strange imagine that it is you

you live in russia, it’s almost the same here. yes, navalny is sitting there, what is the difference between demirtage and navaria, and suddenly muscovites elect an opposition leader, russians yes , russians who elect no are not elected, 49%, so i get a conditional i don’t know yavlinsky well , he is not elected, he is not the president, but 49 and not one how so yes well, first of all, let's remember that the opposition is now represented by a party like the malists, that is, the turkish nationalists , eh. it eh. left centrists but how we see. they are now ready to play with the affairs of the villages, well, that is, it is practically moving to the center again, and this political force was at least the ruling group for a long time , yes. that is, it is hmm, well, the analogies will be lame one hundred percent, yes, relatively speaking, if there was

a communist party in russia suddenly regained its position and would gain the same 49% for yeltsin's election. that's exactly what happened, but there was a relative democracy. well , the press bohdan told me. well, in turkey there is a post democracy, that is, someone is imprisoned. in principle, it can, that is, they deal mainly between their own boys, that’s all the allies of ertuğal, with whom he actually came to power, it’s another thing that they fell out and it ’s er, the bukharan trotsky, you know there, or stalin’s bukharan, everything else, that is, well, they just didn’t get along in the end, they did not share the money, well, this happens in turkey , another question. somehow we are already here, well, if it is the kemalists, they can get more and more

supporters. and this is the army, and the army is sitting in prisons, well, at least the generals and colonels already by the way, we have been asking for a long time, and my question has been sitting for a long time . so, now they will be allowed in in the event of the victory of the opposition and uh, tetyorkism will start again, let's somehow go back to a strong army that does not allow uh, communists some i don't know bad boys to power and they have to be released then i mean how is the discussion going in turkey about the fact that just a few years ago it was like a mutiny i won't say anything here i don't know just like that i didn't understand whether he was was there not, but everyone is sitting, was there a mutiny or not, but there are mutineers and they are sitting, yes, here

the question is in two areas, the first means to release without doubt and the proposal clearly says that all political prisoners should be released the question of mutiny from the egg, the question is obviously put out of brackets now, but after the investigation is conducted , it is additionally important and the questions will be removed there . the page has already been turned and the obvious army will now sit in the barracks and will no longer have such influence as it was there in the 90s and 80s and 70s. i was very impressed by igor's answers about china , but i still want to talk about ah, well, turkey is close to central asia, central

asia, to china, central asian leaders went , uh, central, which was built by jack - i think it looks like mykolaiv in china, uh, it's very loud asks his question how serious is it well how serious is it as far as we can imagine about some serious alliance is it just like that well a meeting well a meeting a meeting is just china shows throws stones like in stalker what is this here a little i am here i am not what i control but my eye is watching very closely there well the promise is serious that is the promised money is large and, in principle, this money can stabilize the regimes in the event that russia collapses. that is, this is a spare circle for the central asian regimes, and they cling to it

because they do not feel confident that they can continue to rely on moscow, but in principle well, i read in the chinese press that it was important that everyone met with the president. by the way, on the 70th anniversary of his birth, which means that he challenged putin, he is not afraid of putin. so here are nine on the 1st of may, he was still afraid of putin, and it was already 6:00 p.m. when they were leaving. well, you mean that when he was in st. petersburg uniform, he said that the dpr, the lpr is a quasi-formation. well, he came to moscow and went. let's go, that's dialectic . yes, here i would, i would quote the words of a kitten, he really is not central asian and leader, but in principle he was also in the company of all these guys in moscow, and when he was criticized and why did you go there ? and he says, well, gas is gas, that is, for a trip and gas, to get it is not bad, but the second one, in

principle, impressed me more, he says, i can’t imagine the defeat of russia and from, but this means that these conversations are going on because it’s just like that in his head, it doesn’t arise, it arises already on the basis of these conversations, and it’s obvious that they are talking to each other in the party and what will happen to us after russia fails that's why this question will be answered for you, comrades. i don't know, but it's good logic. i like it. it was logical logic. i apologize . well, let's say goodbye gradually . i understand. it happens in turkey and i went to central asia, it also happens to go from time to time and

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