[000:00:00;00] of all the crimes committed by hitler's government and bormann, in particular, the next 30 years after the surrender of germany, the world will be interested in one more important question: where did martin born disappear to, his place on the dock during the nuremberg trial remained empty , the century has turned, we have multiplied borman's headlines, we saw him alive in different corners of the planet brazil britain, italy and even the ussr wrote a lot about his work specifically for soviet intelligence and the transfer of strategically important information to them, and personally, hitler's architect albert speira once even said that for all his merits, borman was even supposed to be awarded the title of hero of the soviet union. according to one of the legends, after hitler's death, borman was taken to moscow in one of the warehouses there, and is still allegedly preserved above the brutes with the name martin borman, so was borman a spy or until the end remained loyal to hitler and did he survive after his death, these questions became even more urgent when in

the jungles of argentina they found an inscription of a path to the borman's house, which led to a ruined stone house with a swastika on the ground covered with racemarks, where the borman could be hiding argentina could theoretically, because after the capitulation of germany, thousands of nazis fled to this country, and the then president juan baron was happy to give them asylum in 1972 , the british taboet writes that a living borman was found in argentina, however, in a few months , a skeleton with a loose ampullotsionide was found in west berlin after five months after careful research, experts say that borman, in 30 years, the final point in this story will be put to the dna examination, which will confirm that the body of the suicide found during the construction of the road belongs to no one else like the gray cardinal of the third reich, martin bormann, whose life ended not in moscow in britain or

the jungles of argentina, but in the wake of hitler in the ruined ferment of the 45th, but the nuremberg tribunal is only the tip of the iceberg, it had to be something unprecedented, because in germany after the defeat of hitler there were more than 8 .5 million members of the national socialist party and even more than 45 million germans gave themselves to the members of various nazi organizations, such as hitler, jungin, how to punish and eradicate nazism in such conditions after imprisoning half of the country, education, exhumation, this is not true, you just brought these corpses here, there were no forced vaccinations against nazism for the germans . it was a shock and a nursery for the nazis that

the soviet union left for itself after the defeat of the reich. germany was divided into four occupation zones in all of them denazification purges from the nazis began in three spheres of the administrative apparatus of the judicial branch of government and the sphere of education in the american zone . we are talking about some big things there, i don't know what the third reich was occupying, uh, other countries there did something to you from the czech republic, austria , you have to understand that behind all these big steps there are specific people, so that there were specific executors on the ground who gave instructions, who on the ground constitutional camps were created there, hebto and cinema were shot, which were actually the places

where these crimes were committed, and it is obvious that the direct participants, those who were involved in it, just tried to hide behind the mass, they did not want their own task the purpose of these commissions, especially in the american sphere of administration, was precisely to understand the participation of each person in the british occupation zone . of degrees of guilt, all punishments for the nazis in the western zones were imposed by the courts, he imprisonment for 10 years, up to fines and deprivation of the right to hold certain positions , people who held certain high positions, they

were deprived of the right to a pension for all awards and all payments from the state, this wealth that was acquired illegally . well, they were also withdrawn, that is , a person remained who, in order to somehow survive , had to work, but even here certain filters were also created because people who also they occupied high gardens, they could not occupy active positions for them even in business, he could of course be an employee well, that is , it starts with the fact that he was some kind of janitor , ending with the fact that he was simply some kind of foreman on some production line there, but also this was not enough, most germans even the members of the nazi party at the end of the war did not know about the terrible crimes of their leaders in the concentration camps, the main task of denazification in the west was not only to punish criminals, but also

to make every german feel guilty , the truth about the concentration camps was revealed who would not dare to say that exactly what is meant by the wording is a terrible solution to the jewish question, there was a mass murder, the lawyer guessed that something bad would happen, but at first no one really knew what and for that, you took measures so that the population did not find out about it, they did not want to injure their fellow citizens, the price of gas, it was about the fact that it became obvious that the people of sesiv were on the sidelines for murders.

so that everyone already knew for sure, to have an exact guarantee that everyone would know and for the germans. it was a shock that there were attempts at a more or less calm discussion. german society matured in the 1960s in the western zones of occupation , most adults and many teenagers were taken to concentration camps and were literally given shovels in their hands, forcing them to dig up secret burials with tens of thousands of shot or gassed roma jews or prisoners of war, and it was this educational work that caused a shock among the germans. there are cases when older people said that this is not true, you just brought these corpses here they were not here soviet propaganda claims that the ussr most actively fought against nazism and the whole truth is that in the soviet zone of occupation in eastern germany

, where nazification was carried out the least thoroughly toothless checks and interrogations of conditionally accused people were either sent to the gulag or completely amnestied, while the amnesty was often applied to active nazis and even war criminals, but democratic activists were punished with whom local and imported communists actively fought under the guise of de-nazification in 1948 , denazification was announced in the soviet zone of occupation successfully completed in the same year, at the suggestion of comrade stalin, for the former nazis even created a special political force

, the national democratic party of germany, which had to work in a bloc with the communist party, active de-nazification will end at the end of the 40th, the federal republic of germany was created from three western zones of occupation, they are beginning to rebuild rapidly according to the marshall plan, and gradually an understanding is coming, which the first chancellor fehren formulated in the words of other germans, i have no politicians , they decided that the joint work of fighters with nazism and former nazis will be able to turn them into a single people again, and this conditional reconciliation allowed many germans to hide and lie at the bottom either in the new germany itself or in in south america, these nazis are all secondary, they simply changed their colors, they simply hid, some of them managed to go abroad, there were separate groups of nazis who had their own secret meetings, which further

professed this violent ideology , that is, such groups of groups existed for the whole world 11 went out the second hunt for nazis it began in the 60s actually with the show trial of eichmann jerusalem for german society everything became a question for the next generation it sounded like that, there, relatives. and what did you do during the second world war , and there began to be an interest in the actual past, many people found nazi functionaries in their relatives there, too, no one forgets , no one hides, the waves of hunting for nazis in the western world continue today, let's say our compatriot ivan demjanyuk , a soviet prisoner who began to help the germans and later disguised himself as a victim of nazism and moved to the usa in the 80s, demjanyuk

is extradited and tried in israel on charges of complicity in the murders of more than 28,000 prisoners of the treblianka camp. but it is so difficult to find out the truth that after seven years in prisons , the supreme court of israel acquits demyanuk due to insufficient evidence of his guilt, the rest of this man's life is constant trials in different countries and even death in 2012 does not remove all charges from him, because nazism and any involvement in hitler's crimes not only have no statute of limitations, but on the contrary, over the years it becomes more and more toxic. unfortunately, this rule does not apply to most of the perpetrators of you can't commit crimes of communists in europe. nowhere in the world can you justify nazi crimes and campaign to vote for hitler. why is it still possible in our country to justify stalin's crimes and campaign for

communists? this must be ended because communism in stalinism is nothing. not the best egypt ukraine will cope with this task or we will have some russophiles and sovietophiles appear again in the next generation who will say well not everything was so bad the sausage was being built who he was the first to melt lenin into shevchenko why russia is not able to knock down deposed leaders we did not survive the trial of communism what other places of power of the russian world are left to us as a legacy until all that she does not belong to vlas december 8 , 2013 in bessarabia people are knocking down the ukrainian leader olen he was built from the same pink marble as the mausoleum in moscow . at this moment, history ceased to be a passive

habit and became a conscious choice. few people here in ukraine thought about the fact who moved the first domino, who first dared to topple the monument to lenin, and this for i was surprised because the miners overthrew the first lenina in chervonohrad, lviv oblast, on august 1, 1990, more than a year remains before the collapse of the ussr, a strike on behalf of 15,000 miners demands the removal of the sculpture that marks their city as an element of the soviet empire , the local council and it consisted mostly of rohiv residents and since may 90 renamed the streets and squares of chervonograd fully supports its

people lenin stood right here, now instead of him this cross and the memorial tablet were sharpened by several dozen communists in the 90th monument but then the crowd pushes away the defenders of the leader, and then the crane carefully removes the monument from the pedestal and places it on the stone of some communal yard, four years later , this monument to shevchenko will be made from the bronze of that sculpture, decommunization in the 90s was not a systematic majority no i saw no problems in the old pedestals and street names , the theory is that we are like this at the beginning of independence , only a few monuments fell for independent attempts to decommunize something, it was easy to get a criminal article, this is the destruction of historical heritage, so no luninopad began at the end of the revolution of dignity and as a social response to the executions of the heavenly hundred

. i think it was a statement by ukrainian society that this will not happen, we will make attempts, the lenin monument was written by the arabs, they toppled it on december 8, in december they toppled three more in january, nine more before on february 20, five more, that is, in total, by february 20 , before the executions on the maidan, 17 were toppled, and on february 21, 49 were toppled in one day. it was then that everything began to change. the state adopted a package of decommunization laws and in a few years communal workers and activists dismantled about five thousand ukrainian lines, according to unofficial information, today there are about 300 leaders and its left in the temporarily occupied territories. moreover, over the years , local communities have gotten rid of tens of thousands

of communist names. it really closed there for two and a half years. the renaming of a thousand settlements , the renaming of 52,000,000 streets , squares in various cities and villages, let’s say there were a lot of such funny cases when trying to argue the necessary the preservation of this or that name in local councils, they simply resorted to some absolutely absurd arguments in support, for example, one argued that the name zhovtnev is not in honor of the bolshevik coup in honor of the warm autumn month , leninovka is not an accrual in honor there is lena, somehow the legendary founder of selat to do all this and overcome resistance in the conditions of war is a great success, i have something to compare it with in russia, where in the 90s there was a sluggish

wave of decommunization and the destruction of totalitarian stones, the number of lenins did not decrease critically , now there are more than six thousand idols of the leader, and the total length of lenin's streets in russia reaches nine thousand kilometers . to imagine that somewhere uh, in some uh, i don't know, in some uh, public places, uh, it's depicted, uh, a nazi, it's just like you , but you can, obviously, no person will say no, that's unacceptable, because nazism is evil and so this is how uh-uh the answer to what uh-huh we did not survive the ship of anti-communism, that is, this is actually such a key problem, which

makes it possible to rehabilitate communism because society did not receive clear instructions, it hears different versions . to which every deep russian personally grows a new totalitarianism, imagine, for example, what the europeans will answer if you ask them about the meaning of the figure of hitler, imagine, and here is the answer of modern russians about joseph stalin stalin is waiting for us, i think that now she is very much missing. of course, he was the leader of our country. he was a reliable person for our generation. like a father , i think about the collapse of the soviet union, the collapse of the soviet union is a huge tragedy of the 20th century. you know

why, first of all, because at the same time on sometimes 25 million russian people found themselves outside the borders of the russian federation. putin does not have a reason for these russians abroad, who are really just lazy ukrainians, kazakhs, moldovans who do not want to speak their native languages , the lenin network with their force field is working worse and worse but in the borders of the ussr and the world, all that remains are many imperial markers that allow putin to talk about one nation , for example, the stone soldiers and the liberators are lviv , the field of mars, here after the first world war , soldiers of the austrian army, germans, poles , ukrainians lay, but then their bones were quickly dug up to bury the soviets here

of soldiers, private asorin, senior sergeant afanasyev , private akhmetov, it used to be believed that red army fighters were buried here on the mars field in lviv. year of death, this truth about this burial became known only at the end of the 90s, when previously secret documents were removed from the game of secrecy and it turned out that the majority of those buried here were nkvd fighters who fought and died, they did not at all in the war with nazism, those who destroyed and deported lie here the civilian population of galicia and fought against the ukrainian insurgent army. imagine in fact, this is the same as burying in the center of buchi and declaring as heroes the fallen russian soldiers who committed

the genocide of glory here in lviv silent oath monument to the military glory of the soviets of the armed forces in lviv was opened in 1970, at the height of the cold war, solemnly and pompously in the soviet style, this is how the 30-meter stele of soviet glory fell in the middle of the night in march 2019. and the monuments that had artistic value were transferred to the terror territory museum, they have not yet found a place here. i am watching carefully packed iron icons of the soviet cult and remembers his grandfather who took berlin but hated may 9 and any mention of that war

in fact it was another such asset of russia another such symbolic places symbolic anchors ties that kept ukraine in the school of russian influence and it is clear that it was necessary to get rid of them for putin, each such monument is like a seal that legitimizes a special military operation today, all these mass burials, all monuments with tanks and red liberating soldiers around the world this is the network of the russian world, these are the monuments that the russian language has become the sponsors of aggression under the motto, we can repeat that now the world is discovering the essence of that, the difference is normal to a person, a lot of that, she is not on you we are watching and we are in shock, our western service and no less shocked

and that is why they are for a long time and in fact, the legalization of russia may happen and then we will have to deal with where russia and where is the russification of the conquered peoples in 2021 sociological research of the levada-center group showed the five most popular figures in modern russia . putin is in fifth place. peter and pushkin are ahead of him . lenin and stalin are their main reference points and the number one soviet executioner was named by 39% of russians as the bearer of the mysterious russian soul and the greatest culture since 2005. installed about a hundred monuments to stalin, and the giant sculpture of dzerzhinsky on lobinsk square, which was dismantled during the 1991 riots, has been trying to return it for 10 years after the start of the full-scale invasion, the russians

are reinstalling their bloody monuments in our occupied territories, but fortunately, this process can be started and in the reverse direction, for example, when fleeing from our occupied kherson, the occupiers were the first to take out non-military equipment or their own soldiers , you can forget all this. no, they pulled at the curb dubious monuments for us, which we did not have time to remove, so the occupiers took their suvorovs and prince potemkin from kherson, next to

pushkin and lermontov, but we will talk about them in the next program about the great russian language and culture. in particular, several groups of shaheds were targeted by the occupiers in the direction of kyiv and the kyiv region, what is known at the moment so the rescuers finally managed to localize the fire in the dnipro district

there, i will remind you, as a result of the downing of an enemy uav - this is in the capital, a wreck fell on a high-rise building and the roof caught fire, the fire was on an area of ​​80 m² , 30 workers, 30 rescuers and six pieces of equipment went out to put it out. fortunately, there were no casualties in the yansky district of kyiv. well, i will remind you that this is already the 11th attack on kyiv in the last month , at the beginning of may, russia launches its drones from a tank, so the alarm started after midnight and at first it was in the east and then it spread to several regions and in several cities and regions in the eastern regions, as well as in the north and center , it also went to the west. well, the enemy is shelling ukraine

almost every night, and if you suddenly still hear the alarm, be sure not to ignore it. be sure to go down in the shelter well, and also please do not take pictures, do not shoot, do not show the work of our air defense, because russia is now trying to record the locations of our air defense forces , so let's be vigilant and careful. and calm i hope at night the national telethon the only news continues tv channel 1+1 continues to speak and today in our discussion studio we are talking about crimea about the great history and great tragedy of the people who survived deportation and are now experiencing occupation crimea remains on the world agenda for the 9th year in a row, after the start of the full-scale invasion, this issue

became even more active and intensified and became even more urgent, this is evidenced by the large crimean landing next to the president of ukraine here we saw this photo today on social networks of the entire arab states . mustafa dzhemilev and temila tasheva and refat chubarov. the day before, the president approved the composition of the advisory council on deoccupation and reintegration of crimea. after all, we will return how we will return the occupied peninsula , in particular, and mentally, we are talking about this with axes in the studio well, actually, our big conversation begins, what we've been waiting for so long, we want to at the end of the week, talk about the future, plan the future, what it will be and of course, as possible skip the topic of crimea, crimea is so sacred for russia, so painful for us, well, after all, everyone probably already planned it. god forbid, come in the fall and wash your feet in crimea in your favorite places, so how can we return to crimea, what awaits us there, actually, i want

to introduce our guests to we are the manager, first of all, the deputy minister of foreign affairs, we congratulate you good evening and serhiy gromenko, candidate of historical sciences and also from crimea , we congratulate you good evening, you know the first question, please tell me. have you already bought tickets for crimea at ukrzaliznytsia? well, i haven't a member of this consultative council on de-occupation, so i don’t know whether it is necessary to buy a ticket for the victory train. not yet. you didn’t buy a ticket for the train, but i have tickets for the dance concert on the congo square, and they also have a concert announced. concert, i understand that at the end of august, they gave me this ticket for my birthday and i will gladly use it. what will happen next? they are planning to do it in crimea this year. it is planned. yes, but this is the same promotion as

ukrzaliznytsia, where are the train tickets? do you know? now i'm also looking for a ticket. i think that many people said yes, and for antibodies, you can also go to yalta to buy a concert. we are buying a dream. so far, we are planning a dream correctly . let's start with today's events. specifically, well, it was not for nothing that he found himself there, and they talked about how to help the crimean population, how to release prisoners, and how to protect the muslim population . please tell me how ready this country is to get involved in such a difficult issue multi-layered like the return of crimea and if they are ready, what can they really help? well, the president takes part in various activities , including actively working with muslim countries , you know what, and the president of ukraine prioritized the global south for ukrainian diplomacy. this country is in asia, africa , latin america and including in the spectrum