[000:00:00;00] i also wanted to buy a concert in yalta. we are buying a dream . so far it is right. we are planning a dream. let's start with today's events today. to the population, how to release prisoners and how to protect the muslim population . please tell me how willing this country is to be involved in such a complex , multi-layered issue as the return of crimea. and if ready so ​​what can they really help for this purpose, the president takes part in events of various natures , including actively working with muslim countries, you know that the president of ukraine prioritized the global south for ukrainian diplomacy, that is, the countries of asia, africa , latin america and in that

among the spectrum of these countries, we actively work with islamic countries when it comes to crimea. unfortunately , what i see traveling the world in many countries is that the russian federation has traditionally and successfully sold some myths about crimea that this is the original russian land today actively sells myths about islamic terrorists this is a very important context that i want to explain because look it is better until 2014 we never had a single act of terrorism the very essence of the advisory national movement that was returning from miss deportation she was very wise she was non-violent and that according to mustafa dzhmilov that we should protect the rights without encroaching on the rights of others . it has always been the basis of the national movement of the crimean tatars as well as the russian the federation occupied crimea. they did not come to an agreement, but they tried to come to an agreement with someone so that they would legitimize putin in crimea . we began to live in the world of muslim extremism and terrorism, and today, for the most part , those political prisoners who are now imprisoned in russia or crimea are accused of that

they are muslim extremists. that is, it is done artificially and we can convince the arab countries of this. they know exactly how this terrorist place inflates and the salt that the russian federation does it in various forms a serious resource is spent on this. and that is precisely why the president of ukraine prioritized this area today, all ambassadors have relevant instructions and relevant theses in order to communicate the issue of crimea, what is actually happening there, the president's visit is extremely important, because when the president speaks , the leftist - the attention to this topic is much higher mustafa klidera, in addition to ska, this is also a signal, sometimes certain signals can be spoken directly. and sometimes they are not frontal, but important , and therefore it seems to me that the prospect zaslam countries, the distance between us is extremely high, let’s say, until a certain time, it was from the point of view that we felt a lack of understanding or context. and

in fact, in order for this context to be better. books of myths, the book is called our crimea, how did the russians manage to create this great myth about the russian crimea, which do you think is more difficult to create a myth so powerful or to break it, which is what i am talking about now absolutely frank, it is impossible to destroy a good myth. in principle, there are several more than just myths, there are several tropes, several narratives that have survived to our days for three to three and a half thousand years and nothing threatens them. people understand that these are myths . people study these myths in schools. but once upon a time myths were a part of current politics , the most important for europe, including for

crimea . near the black sea in the crimea, achilles has his sanctuary on the famous snake island, actually somewhere around 1,200 in 1,200 bc it was a very relevant policy now it is a myth imagine that in 500 years we will understand that russian myths about crimea are myths but today it is part of politics and it is practically impossible to fight them with rational methods, it is necessary to understand that this bullshit is with us for a long time and irrational, but how to fight it this is an extremely difficult question, in fact , the exact recipe for fighting national myths do not exist in each specific case, we have to come up with some kind of program with some recipe of our own about step number 0 - this is a military defeat of russia without a military defeat of russia without the collapse of this

continental part of the russian federation , where even not the money comes from, but the signals as long as the kremlin stands the myth of great russia and the russian crimea and the crimea are intact. as part of this, the myth of great russia will live on . it is impossible to rationally convince people who watch russian television every day. defeat in russia, the appearance of these towers from well, you understand, yes, this is a coma of propaganda, it is also completely illogical. well, it should not be logical, it is propaganda, and as long as it goes into rational elements, i will not act, but every explosion on the kerch bridge at the sakva airfield brings the understanding of that closer that these myths are only myths , we can destroy them, but not head on. i am proud of the fact that i already have the seventh book coming out, i am analyzing the history of the creation of russian myths and i am digging in an intellectual way with this myth, but i am

absolutely aware that i have not yet the ukrainian flag does not fly over crimea , this myth about russian crimea will be unfathomable. please tell me, then, returning to historical parallels and if we are discussing this visit by zelensky, speech at the summit of arab countries , what access points, crossing points, points of common interest can we historically have? which buttons? we have to press in order for these countries to understand that they are interested in crimea being ukrainian , being peaceful and calm, except for the grain, we know that there is another story like this , of course, and in fact, i will say how historian grain this is a bit er not my topic except except except for grain the arab countries were once in approximately the same condition as ukraine is in, for example, there appeared among the slavic countries there was russia and in it had its own dictator who measured in external conquest

, so in the arab world , iraq was once led by saddam hussein, who grabbed territories to the right and to the left. in fact, it was a problem and the saudi countries understand very well that the dictator is like - if the dictator is not set any limits, the war will come to the entire region, this is one of those points on which we can concentrate our attention. i will also add two aspects to this question, one international and the other local international is that when the russian federation , a country that is a permanent member of the un security council, a country that calls itself the second world or the largest army in the world attacks a neighboring country unprovoked and, accordingly, without consequences yes and this happened in the 14th year, and let's be honest, we as a country were not able to give the necessary age, and the world's reaction was weak , to put it mildly, and this only prompted it to prepare for the next phase and attack like

this. impunity is present, this means that no country in the world , including the countries of the persian gulf, which are turbulent, which live in a turbulent environment, cannot feel safe , this is the first, second, the local context - it is islam , it is not a secret that the world has an attraction to closeness, yes to the search for such closeness in various spheres, including religious ones and countries, there is a wonderful trump card here, i will even use this word as the indigenous population as the crimean tatars, who are a very natural link and bridge of ukraine with the islamic world, and you know me it seems that in recent years, ukraine has finally realized that the crimean tatars and ukrainians are not enemies to each other because we ourselves lived in these myths of soviet russia and the russian empire that these are peoples who

modernized each other, all these myths yes and i had phobias, and the social distance was very high. i myself, when i was a student, was surprised to read one study about the and what is the distance between ukrainians and crimean taras until the 14th year, it was a thousand years, but with an 11-point scale, it was eight. can you imagine two peoples who experienced in fact and are experiencing the same history when language is destroyed, identity is destroyed, religion is destroyed , famine, deportation are essentially the same crimes , peoples who naturally should unite, these peoples have such a high and this we crossed in the 14th so, in summary, i believe that ukraine is really a rich country from the point of view that the crimean tatars can provide the context that will naturally bring them closer to each other , because this is a matter of trust and of course, if the representative of ukraine, an official muslim , will represent ukraine at the on another site, the issue of trust naturally happens quickly, and it is necessary to use the word use in such

a positive sense again, and in principle, we see this as something that was impossible to imagine before in the 14th year, the position of first deputy minister, which i hold, to imagine that she will be held by the representative of the crimean people until the 14th year was, let's be honest , impossible to imagine, and all this seems to me to be not just the right steps, but steps that demonstrate that the consciousness of our nation is finally it becomes different that we become subjects and that we finally become the sense of ourselves now we have many platforms in ukraine if you can say so intellectual and which relate to the de-occupation and reintegration of crimea this and the crimean platform, which has already met twice, this and the strategy that was signed by the president in the 21st year . this is the council created yesterday with the de-occupation and reintegration of crimea, members of which you are also what ukraine will rely on the most now. you know that these are all puzzles of one picture in this picture

in this picture we want to see the ukrainian flag in crimea and in order for it to fly there, as serhiy said , actually all these efforts are demonstrated, i will comment on the crimean platform because i have a direct relationship with it, it was once true was my extraordinary dream or is there a personal trauma of leaving crimea? there is a feeling of injustice that was the main thing for me when i left the peninsula and the desire to do something because of this feeling of injustice emerged as the crimean platform once as a concept on a4 pieces of paper, and today this is a truly unprecedented mechanism, an international coordination mechanism that unites 61 countries of the world and an international organization, and the initial task was to return crimea in a political and diplomatic manner, and we are also on this can we stop at some no, i have undergone a change and have already joined the military context has changed and actually when we launched the crimean platform we are the architecture was very inclusive this

is the government level government leadership level parliamentary level expert level our task was tactical and the main one is to return the topic of crimea back to the international order daily or for eight or seven years of occupation , again, objectively, the topic of crimea was relevant later, but you know, when i think about it, what is the main achievement there are two things about the crimean platform from the outside. we finally showed the world that we don’t decide how we will fight except because before there were different voices , let’s forget crimea . which putin sold about his, you know, sacred ties with crimea, and the second is that inside the country, too , different voices were heard, we still have citizens who treat crimea as the land where

russians live. they say it seems to me that we, too, are the crimean platform and the steps that were taken in internal politics and were able to consolidate the ukrainian population around one thesis that, apart from this, it is ukraine and we need to fight for crimea as a ukrainian sovereign land, and you, the deputy minister of foreign affairs, have no sense that now behind the scenes of potential peace negotiations, crimea is still a trading card that can be sacrificed, you know, such voices will always be heard, we should also treat this calmly and with a sense of self-worth and own vision and own subjectivity, so the crimean platform is about its own subjectivity in the first place . we initiated this format around our vision, we consolidated one third of education, a little less than one third. and actually today we tell everyone that this is our duty of self-defense

and er direct if direct right and this right we have to determine ourselves what we are fighting for how we are fighting how we will recapture er crimea well, it seems to me that it was laid now in those basic theses that president zelenskyy is voicing around that the state border of the 91st year, no territorial concessions, it seems to me that even this will not make it possible to draw a map of crimea somehow. well, cross it out and try to take it out of the boat. please tell me the topic of the return of crimea. your impressions of what is happening in crimea now, what is the temperature of ukrainianness there, are they expecting the return of ukrainians there , are the waves of this forced resettlement there now again, are the russians spinning there, how is crimea living now, the moment when we plan return it and you will start well, i will say that we have certain markers, e.g. the strengthening of pro-ukrainian voices, e.g. i will not say that there have been

more pro-ukrainian people in crimea, i will say that their voices have become a little more audible in a somewhat unusual way . all the bases were blown up by the partisans, of course not all echelons went under the knife due to partisan movements, but the very fact that they put up leaflets that demotivate the pro-russian population and russian soldiers tie yellow ribbons helps ukrainian intelligence to the military, this all shows that ukrainians and crimean tatars and representatives of other ethnic russians are also those who are for ukraine. it is clear that their voices have become more audible thanks to including in this way . whether it will help or not will become clear a little later, but extremely it's nice that this is happening, it's all on the one hand, and on the other hand, i can assume here, unlike the yellow ribbon, you can't count, but

it seems to me that the degree of pro-russianness among those in the majority of crimeans that we recorded with in the 14th year, it begins to decline due to the destruction of certain myths, or rather, not so many myths, as many social promises that putin and russia sold crimea in the 14th year, first of all, it was destroyed, so this was the first destroyed narrative about some extraordinary russian economic sweat before 16 in the 19th year, crimea was flooded with russian money, then it stopped, and crimea gradually degraded economically. now , if you count it with other russian territories, it is among the top three recipients of attacks from

of the federal budget, this is actually a very important indicator. the second indicator is that russia is so big and powerful that russia cannot. at the school in kerch, then we see the start of a great war against ukraine in the 22nd year and explosions in crimea . crimean you can't avoid flying at all, you imagine that you can bury your head in the sand, but politics will come for you and nine years later , politics has come for ordinary crimeans and many crimeans don't like it, i want to emphasize in conclusion that this does not mean that the former pro-russian crimeans suddenly become pro-ukrainian crimea, but the fact that the level of support for the russian government is falling is indisputable. and if the war is pushed away from serhiy, the russians

, on the other hand, may not like the pro-russian crimeans. what they can potentially like if they reject patriotism and take economic levers or some kind of profits . if it can be said that they may already start to be attracted to the potential deoccupation of ukraine. that's why i'm trying to understand who will be attracted to what, look, i actually wanted to touch on a slightly different context, and the question what is happening in crimea now? and here i have my own epic personal story gave me my own awareness. and what will actually happen and happened in crimea, since i decided to leave the peninsula. i was then in the 14th year working for journalists and it was immediately clear that i would not be able to live under the russian flag, but it was necessary to organize certain processes and for several months if

i stayed in the crimea. and the first summer i took my children and relatives to alushta beach and watched the first picture summer - this is a picture from the 14th year that probably all ukrainians have seen . a seven-year-old boy runs up to her. this is already the wave of patriotic tourists who stood in line there for days while the russian federation was transporting military equipment on passenger ferries, and she tells him that this is a boy sick in honey and that's when i was looking at this picture you know, for a few seconds i was in shock, and then i basically realized that this is a complete repetition of what the russian empire initially did when creating the tauriche province, the tauriche region as a new geopolitical project of catherine , when everything related to the crimea was squeezed out by tatars, then soviet censorship and ra- and communists and destroying the remains of e

-e architecture arch archives which would show the life of the crimean tatars when i, again , one more personal story beg when i was 7 years old i remember my first excursion to the khan's palace and after an hour and a half, these excursions are classics again , the russian- speaking guide is all. what the guide told us about catherine ii, about how she was met by the imperial cavalry, about how the russian empire and the empire humanized the uncultured crimea, and she said almost nothing about the crimea, so the same thing is happening in the crimea today, when new myths are being built, which are the basis of this russian crimea yes, and before that what was in the soviet union and now they are trying to show how

putin was leading but it seems to me that this is actually a showcase of putin's shame, a showcase of his crimes because for me crimea is such a prison under the open sky where there is no main freedom and i remember the first time i left crimea already kherson region as soon as i crossed the admin border and even with my skin i could feel that finally i can breathe freely here it has been two months freedoms have ceased to exist in crimea. and who and how will return crimea or create a so-called ukrainian myth for crimea. who will be there ? who will engage in mental de-occupation? of the key crimean tax holders, this is an expert environment - these are representatives of government circles - this is a profile ministry, a permanent representation under the presidency, this is the majlis of the qatari people. that is, all those who will be active implementers of a certain vision of the vision and they are now forming the vision

. i think that the main thing is de-occupation, this is the first step, the main life, yes it is necessary to de-occupy this territory, i.e. to restore ukraine's control over the territory, then it is clearly necessary to think about what to do with such a category of population as those who arrived there after the 14th year for a second - this is white, millions of people, of course. how many did you say? look, according to various estimates, we are currently working with the data of approximately 800,000 people who are from russia before russia. that is, they are russian citizens with russian passports, people who are actually loyal to russia the occupiers drove by during the occupation of that how or will it happen how should the process of this happen if the cleaning is very radical the ukrainian state does not have so many steel ones i if they were to be introduced this is

this we will face the truth no well okay this a very simple, important question, this is really almost a million people for the crimea who came during the occupation. and what are the options for what to do with them? i will not repeat that here to the simpletons, and again i will tell some examples of my people when the crimean tare returned to the crimea and, in principle, we had situations when people already lived in the houses from which the families were deported, and when the crimean tatars returned to their land and unknown people also lived in these houses , there were several ways, but there are a lot of national movements in the world, mostly these movements are very radical, you know, burn, take away, kill, and the crimean tars took it seems to me that they took the strongest position that they could take. she said that we, choosing our rights, will never encroach on the rights of others here, too. today, we say the same about certain values ​​around which we build our state, these values ​​are not about certain radical movements there, although indeed this will require

a certain vision from us, and this vision must differ from what the russian federation demonstrates as a practice, this is my completely subjective but inner feeling that then i will formulate my question in a different way, maybe a little, what should be the status of people with russian passports who arrived in crimea during the official occupation of this territory , in that the question is that we as a state should create this status. where would this work on the formation of this vision take place? right now , there is no such concrete actionable step-by-step answer, but there are already certain essays, i would say so , i just don’t want to centralize because certain documents have not yet been drawn up. but there are the article before the occupation, there are a number of working groups, there are a number of platforms where this discussion takes place, and yes, it is clearly logical that all, for example , legal processes or property things that were formed after the 14th year, they will not have the right, so

the question should just be replaced. on the air that serhiy gromenka or even me or well, as a person who is in the government now and again and will shoot in the air in his own vision these are things that should be structured and arranged in a certain way in order for this to be a state policy that concerns the crimeans themselves who are there lived on the 14th year and they continue to live or do you think where is the border a-a to punish the traitors on the one hand so that they receive punishment on the other hand not to turn away from ukraine all the population that lived there and continues to live there during the occupation continue to live when ukraine is liberated, you yes we smile until the end, logical accents. so residents are residents of crimea, regardless of their nationality, even without citizenship

. to the current otysaurus it is the same as crimean tatars is a term that originates from the 16th century at least the 16th century you and we have written documents where the crimean tatars and crimeans are the crimeans well, that's why when we say crimeans we all understand him when we say crimean and crimea - it is ethnic, it is those who were born in crimea, kramle with the crimean tatar language means crimea, and we understand exactly the crimean tatars, and there are also crimean tatars, who are who are actually another contender, the indigenous people of ukraine, and the crimean jews are a group of crimean jews who there are less than a thousand left. nevertheless, they are not crimeans and not crimeans, they are krymchiks, they are also an indigenous people, because together with the crimean people, the karaites and the krymchaks were recognized as indigenous people. well, you have a law on indigenous peoples in ukraine, and in the law as prescribed

crimeans do not have such a definition of crimean as you are now saying, it is somewhere with the documents for dozens of years, these debates are present in the most expert and scientific academic space of the crimean tatars, what do we call ourselves, crimean tatars or crimeans and on today, there is such an opinion, again, because the ethnonym crimean tatars was actually introduced in order to blur the identity , because tatars, well, tatars are different tatars, and they are also referred to as tatars, and this is a little confusing. and who are the tatars, that is why the crimean language is the same as the e-e of ukraine, ukrainians react sensitively to ukraine or in ukraine in the same way . it is one if the position of the crimea of ​​these crimea is another position, both have the right to exist, let's understand how

much time we will lose, how large-scale a problem it will be, beyond your expectations, how many of these 800,000 will remain first, yes, but they again, they will go to the bridge and move forward as soon as it was, it will become systemic and how much work is expected regarding the search for collaborators, how to distinguish people who survived, received passports in order to live. elementary physical protection from those people who collaborated they compiled lists for the deportation of the same tatar children and so on and so on and so on there are projects about collaborationism there are draft laws accordingly there is no clear answer to this question in march of the 22nd year , changes were made to the law state treason seems er and language the changes that were made concern people who have committed crimes and such will always be a minority, but in order to distinguish those who

simply survived with russian passports from those who supported the occupation, other legal mechanisms are needed, which still do not exist until for example, so that we understand the scale of the problem, ukraine does not recognize the so-called referendum of the 14th year, accordingly, people who came to vote for russia should not be punished because ukraine, well, this is a legal fiction , so it does not entail consequences, but we understand what to do pretending that nothing happened is also not an option. and here's how to solve this problem: for this , a law is needed, or on the collaboration of the body, or there is a group. well, once upon a time, he was a deputy who proposed a law on reconciliation about forgiveness and reconciliation, well, there are different concepts of how to deal with this problem from a historical point of view, there are dozens of different options, or many countries after him went through these were very harsh, for example , in relation to the german minorities in poland and the czech republic

, there were crimes with on the part of the winners, on the contrary, there were so soft solutions that seem impossible to us, an example of the population of holstein in the period of its division between the germans and the danes there, well , so much so that every representative of the danes in germany and the germans in denmark has identical rights with the citizens of this country, i.e. the population, the way from wilstein of this disputed region in the 19th century, in principle, may not understand where it is, but i am afraid that for russians with ukrainians in crimea, this option is also not very suitable. and we have to find something somewhere, some kind of solution has to be , but it is not there at all. it seems to me that this issue will also lie in the plane of the end of the war and its consequences for russia as a state and the issue of remorse, the issue of reparations, the issue