[000:00:00;00] about the fact that the return of the syrian republic is the responsibility of the arab countries. and this is quite telling. the presence of your race at this meeting was a bit unexpected for me, that is, this speech is about the fact that there is a certain change and the rhetoric and the corresponding policies of the arab countries are quite dangerous elements that should be reckoned with not only to ukraine, but also to our strategic partners .

we also talked about the latest high-profile cases and statements, including those of the military leadership, and now we will continue. oleksandr litvinov, director of the department of science and education of the kharkiv regional military administration, is with us, oleksiy litvinov, director of the department of science and education of the kharkiv regional military administration, mr. oleksii. good day to you. mr. oleksiy, we have information that teachers in the de-occupied kharkiv region have not received their salaries for five months, and it is difficult to survive the war even here. i don't know how else the teachers' salaries

not some kind of sky-high, but 5 months without a salary is somehow very difficult, what is the reason that we really have such a situation, and there are several reasons, and i did not have time to find these reasons. well, so to speak, it can be solved with just one phone call , because this whole situation is a full-scale military aggression and then the liberation of the occupied territories, they caused a certain collapse in these liberated territories because the evaluative authorities destroyed the scientist everything that was done by the ukrainian authorities in these territories , all our commodity and material values, our educational institutions, our educational management bodies, including administrative buildings, and when these territories were liberated, the ukrainian authorities, even after conducting military operations and after filtering measures, faced the

problem that it was very difficult, in the absence of electricity supply and the absence of the internet , to establish the normal functioning of administrative bodies education and start the educational process because we were very proud of the fact that we had this entire process automated from the whole how it was connected to the internet on electronic document management and after leaving it there, there were very big problems with it, we were forced to switch to paper document management and take all possible measures in order to restore all these processes from the dead points - it has already been moved, i would like to inform you that in last tuesday, at the government meeting

, an order was passed on the partial repayment of the payables that arose in the 22nd year, but only for 2 communities, that is , the kindrashiv e-e settlement community and the city of kupyansk, in total, kharkiv region will receive 12.5 million uah to repay this debt, but it consists in the fact that we have accumulated a very large amount over all these months, and this 12.5 million is just a drop in the ocean, in general , in kharkiv region, the entire education subsidy is not provided for payments to teachers is 286 million hryvnias, well, you understand the order of the numbers 12.5 and 286 there, uh, we have an educational subvention that is not provided at all in several communities, there is an underestimated

educational subvention because we had a very large migration process and children uh they left these territories first, then later returned and launched the educational process at individual institutions in october. in november of last year, and some communities launched the process in february and march, in the future , the employees of the department and interested institutions entered this data into the state automated system and we hope that with the help of the ministry of education and of science , we will find an understanding with the ministry of finance , so these funds will be sent to kharkiv oblast and we will be able to close the issue, it is constantly

under the control of the head of the regional of the military administration, the specialized deputies have repeatedly held joint meetings between the ministry of education and science and the ministry of finance with the participation of the communities of the kharkiv region with the participation of the department, at which we tried to convince the ministry of finance that this problem really exists. there are certain moments that it is necessary to take into account the fact that the ministry of cement, for example, calmly appeals to the fact that the state has provided these de-occupied communities with a state target of students to solve current issues and they say well, for example 111 million hryvnias were allocated to the city of kupyansk, they say why you can't use these funds to pay off this debt to teachers, we argue that these 111 million were allocated to solve the entire range of problems that arose in this territory as a result of its

initial occupation, now de-occupation, because there the infrastructure is completely destroyed , there is no possibility, there are no enterprises that work, there are no tax fees , there is no possibility to carry out the necessary work on the restoration of the water supply, yes, on the restoration works of communal enterprises. for example, the kupyansk vodokanal is fully financed by the community, because there are no communal fees, and their operation costs the kupyansk budget 70 million uah per month, and taking into account the fact that this subsidy was allocated to 111 million, do you understand that there are more well, so to speak, priority tasks because people need and light and

water must be restored, and again, there is constant ongoing shelling, and the encirclement of the front is very close , it is necessary to erect fortifications, but unfortunately, not all of these arguments of the ministry of finance are accepted by us, not all of them reach the necessary understanding, so we are really preparing this problem, but still , i lose hope that it will be solved and solved in the near future, again about the existence of this problem -e knows the name of education, e-e oksana vasyliovych lisovyi, i took him to trade about this and he reported at the government meeting on the need to solve this issue, so once again i repeat, we do not lose hope that the issue will be positive

decided, of course, funding is an extremely important thing, as well as the replenishment of the teaching staff, but quality and new approaches are also important , you know, i remembered that in about two weeks even less before the russian invasion, when probably a lot of people did not believe that this invasion would be in kharkiv booths, it happened then such a small scandal because one of the ukrainian-speaking activists, denchyk, posted on facebook that it turns out that the children in kharkiv , somewhere in some institution, were taught according to the russian textbooks of ns zhukova from the year 15 issued and the same was there, it turns out that mathematics is also for the first grade. i think that we do not think about it now, of course, but what should we have in kharkiv? can we in kharkiv still afford teachers who are not patriotic? can we afford teachers who

do not understand what this war is about, in your opinion , what should be changed so that the children of kharkiv , because for many, these books will become the most important in their lives, and teachers will become the most important in their lives, so that they will be different , this is a very valid question, and it is correct lunaev always comes to us, we really had such a problem. well, actually speaking, to some extent , we are starting to face this problem of inattention , so to speak, neglecting certain issues that should have been solved much earlier . indeed, here you did not mention another problem

about the problem collaboration, and it is also very blatant for kharkiv oblast, for kharkiv oblast, i think that it should not be silenced . now, despite the fact that the situation is very difficult and difficult in the kharkiv region, a huge part of it suffers from constant shelling from the enemy, but still the regional authorities with the support of the state, with the support of the government are trying to make maximum efforts in order to correct this story as

much as possible, this whole situation. in institutions subordinate to us, we constantly draw attention to the need for a new concept of ukrainian textbooks and for the sake of the fact that in the concept of a new ukrainian school , new ukrainian textbooks for the fifth and sixth grades will already be printed by our western partners, in which a completely revolutionary national -patriotic, such a red line will pass through all these textbooks

, starting with the native language and ending with natural science and so on and so on and so on. in the future, to draw the correct conclusions from the events that led to the fact that quite a large part of our teachers switched to the side of cooperation with the occupation authorities, a certain part of the directors of our institutions also did this, and it arose as a result of this complex, in principle, of reasons and factors that forced people to do this to do but this well, so to speak, the question is for a more detailed analysis for a more detailed analysis that will be made, including the consequences of the criminal proceedings in which i am convinced , what actions will be established and as a result what was all this done, but still, i would not like to sprinkle my head with ashes and , er, i would like to say that we have, er, no less and many more examples. well, in fact, heroic

deeds done by teachers, heads of institutions that hid precious equipment from the occupiers er, data about employees saved our offices, which were purchased before the war itself, er, they became , well, even breast-fed ukrainian-language literature and textbooks, which the occupiers tried to burn as well-known er characters from almost a hundred years of history, but in another country and all this was done and all this was found er, well, it was forever etched in our memory, that's why it works. me too. and this gives the otaku a very great hope that we will be able to draw the right conclusions from these events and

move on for building a nationally conscious and nationally conscious model of ukrainian education. thank you, mr. oleksiy. in general, i think that it would be good to conduct the certification of all teachers, but seriously, simply re-certification, because this is this extremely important issue, if a person does not like the ukrainian language and ukrainian literature and teaches only because they because she was, for example, this person or he is a teacher of the ukrainian language or a teacher of russian literature. well, maybe let him do something else useful, well, seriously , he will not just deal with what are the souls and brains of children with which to build this a country in europe that i have such an opinion that it should not be such a profession that where, where, where are some people gathering who do not take this profession seriously and do not take seriously the mission that is entrusted to them

, ah, let's talk a little now other join olha aivazovska, the head of the board of the public civic network opora, let's talk with olya now, let's discuss the question a little bit, maybe it's premature , someone thinks, but the shadows of coke lava, the president of the parliamentary assembly of europe, the council of europe, in fact, pasanovna myachyka to discuss this and said about what should happen in ukraine honesty , fair elections, by the way, this caused such an immediate outraged reaction from representatives of the president's office and politicians , they said that they reminded us of what is going on a state of emergency, the war continues in a state of emergency, martial law in our country, a war continues in our country, according to the constitution, it is impossible to hold elections, this is all absolutely clear, nevertheless, tanya, it remains open what will happen to us in ukraine next, if the war

drags on for a long time, we see an example of countries that have been in a state of war for decades this is, for example, south north korea , this is an example, no one likes this in this country, and everyone really hopes that we will have some other example. but nevertheless , we need to prepare for different options, because if we have a successor, for example, for 20 years there will not be a truce even with the russian federation and there will not even be a clear peace, this means that we will not have elections in the country for 20 years, this issue is also important, those who believe that ukraine should remain a democratic country at least in the sense of electoral democracy, including democracy, as he said, i will quote him , there can be no democracy without elections olha aivazovska, head of the board of the civic network, support , olya is very happy to welcome you, actually,

can there be elections in a country that is surrounded with such a terrible war, it is obvious that elections cannot be held under martial law, and it seems to me that it is necessary to distinguish our trauma from the issue of the political election process, and also what fenikox talked about in the first interview, but yesterday i asked him to clarify a few questions and in fact you had an online connection and there is a posted video of our conversation with him, he confirmed that only ukraine will decide when and how to start the election process, organize elections as such and no coercion calls from the side of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe or any other international organizations, now already in the fall, despite the martial law, there is no political process, because the martial law is a legal regime that allows

narrowing the rights of citizens, because the state is all focused on one thing, namely the protection of territorial e-e the interests of the borders of the universally recognized and the issue of security is a priority and if, for example, to stop suspending the legal regime of martial law , what will lead to elections, which in fact are now not over the actual issue of the rights that were narrowed in the conditions of martial law, they should return to the zero point, respectively, citizens who were mobilized to the armed forces should return home, and those who did not sign contracts, in particular, and we understand that this is absurd, because the state today protects its citizens, its borders of other legal possibilities, e-e for the mobilization of men into the armed forces for certain actions with measures for the purpose of defense, there is no legal

regime other than this, and it was not directly stated as it was presented by the first interviews regarding the conduct electronic voting. he said that this is one option with the option of a detection formula if, for example, in the post-war period, a situation arises when a huge number of citizens will still remain by law, but they plan to return simply conditionally, their settlement is completely destroyed, and this process of return migration in the reverse direction is not it will be one-day, it will take place in certain stages, however, let's imagine that the hostilities end, the legal regime ceases to be legal, legal, and in three , five, six months we will hold elections it is obvious that certain options need to be created, but he only talked about the fact that this is one of the options of the detection formula, however, only the state , society, and experts should determine whether it is acceptable or not for our particular case, because electronic voting

is not only very rarely used in the world this is not a widespread phenomenon, so it is never used in the countries of the post-war period regarding the security and political risks , certain challenges remain because we understand even when the ukrainian armed forces forces will defeat the russian armed forces on its territory, we still need a long period of time to defend our legitimate interest in sovereignty, because russia will not stop certain attempts to destabilize the regular life of civilians and interfere in political processes, so again, summing up the scandal on equal place and he rather demonstrates that society does not perceive politics primarily because it behaves in the same way with the understanding that today the key task of the state and its directly is

defense and security, which then in principle wanted to say this to the shadows of coke well, let's start with the fact that he was asked and he answered the question and it was not a general uh-uh there hetman eh statement it will be about the fact that ukraine is really a democracy and today it has the opportunity to defend itself thanks to the support of this other democracies, respectively, if conditionally it becomes necessary to change the constitution for the holding of fair and free post-war elections. and this can happen in relation to various topics, for example, our citizens abroad want to vote and can only vote physically free voting without electronic voting in our constitution, we have the word sunday, that is, election day is only sunday in our country, and this means that if there was a rational solution, for example

, to offer early voting when people come to vote for several days , so that diplomatic institutions could ensure legal the electoral interest of all citizens, then the constitution does not allow us to do this, and therefore changes may be needed, or for example, the issue of crimea, for me personally, this issue is also on the agenda as i constantly think that we can liberate not all of the territory captured by the russian federation in the perspective of six months to a year and a half starting from the 14th year, and if there is a conditional, there is no military solution here and now and we need to accumulate resources, for example, you know, join nato and only then consider a-a certain possibility of liberation crimea needs 8 years for this. are we ready to live in a state of war without elections for 7-8 years, because we have

a territory that is quite overbought, uh, i will kill olga aivazovska now, if allowed , this is this this is my rhetorical question was at the beginning of our conversation, and i would like to hear some advice from an expert, uh, well, my advice is that if we imagine that we liberate the territory of donetsk and luhansk regions, we do not liberate crimea, we have a new legal and factual reality, that is, there are discussions in ukraine or it is possible to grant the right to vote to citizens in the old occupied territories before conducting a lustration of a certain transit justice about what provides legal conditions for those who , for example, were collaborators in the teaching of actions that led to grave consequences, including

deaths of other people, that is, this transit justice is aimed at going through the process of purification and then including these people, i am not talking about all of them, but those who definitely committed war crimes or committed actions that led to war crimes, but nevertheless , according to the norms of the constitution, they are all have one or two together with all citizens, and in order not to violate the status of a democratic country , any actions must take place exclusively within the limits of the law, but the main law for these is the constitution, so you and i are now raising a very difficult question, thanks to this discussion, that if this happens in our country, we will need a transit period of transit justice and, nevertheless, the state will no longer have a legal regime of martial law. that is, it is necessary to include some norms regarding the status of these persons in the constitution , otherwise we will commit unconstitutional

actions regarding crimea. again, the issue is difficult if all at the same time, because this is the first part of the answer also applies to crimea, ah, i am sure that many citizens will raise the question of what to do, for example, with those who received russian citizenship, transit justice should concern not only the issue of participation in the elections of the formal head of the detection and verification of the fact of the existence of a second citizenship of the russian federation and the process of depriving this citizenship of exiting that citizenship with the aim of their full inclusion in ukrainian political and other processes , that is, i to the point that and we we do not have the right to deny ourselves not elections, but the right to participate in political processes and in the processes of state building, and citizens exercise them through certain instruments, including

elections, and secondly, when it comes to western partners, they are not dictating anything to us now, it is about the topic of obligations , dictating what concerns politics - that is why there is nothing wrong with such discussions, but we must treat them adequately. thank you olya and stay with us we continue our te on espresso who walked here of course and there is not enough water to drink you are ready ready because zreo reo water for special medical purposes you have hearing problems you can’t hear the interlocutor we have a solution, a powerful and inconspicuous mega sound amplifier, call while the video is being broadcast and order at a special reduced price of only uah 399, the mega device is placed inside the cherry shell, and the small size and body color make it practically imperceptible, the weight of the device is only 3

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presenters, journalists, experts, opinion leaders in real time about the most relevant events through the prism of war in the author's projects on espresso news on the espresso tv channel in the studio of iryna koval i greet all the viewers and just now the most important events are going on in the east of ukraine fierce battles continue serhiy cherevaty of ukraine, according to him , 17 combat clashes took place in the bakhmut direction during the day, the enemy lost 92 occupiers killed and 156 were wounded as well defenders destroyed