[000:00:00;00] specifically with communication and is it possible to find somewhere to fix it so that this simply does not happen and in the future somewhere we can feel where we say something wrong no, of course we can endlessly ask ourselves what we are guilty of, but it seems that we are far from always to blame and this is exactly the case bula the situation is quite transparent because there were certain agreements already at the start, no one blackmailed the festival, it was simply announced very clearly that if there are russian participants , then we cannot afford to participate in the festival in that case. well, why is it a separate one history too, i can talk about it later, but here everything is very simple. if you agree to such rules, then we come. if not, then we simply do not participate in the festival, and later this event arose, that is, an additional event. to be honest, we also did not constantly monitor the program , because we relied

to the agreements that were announced at the start already when we arrived in new york, we saw this event in the program and again, there was no blackmail of the boycott , the question of colleagues was how we proceed, because there were such agreements, now the rules of the game are coming out how do you propose to get out of this situation, our proposal was actually to abandon our measure , no one gave them ultimatums that we demand the cancellation of the measure with three russians, and they instantly admitted their guilt and began to look for a way out of the situation, they suggested that we first carry out our measure outside the framework of the festival, we thought it was humiliating because , well, why should we agree to such a format of segregation if we were not guilty of anything, we refused it, they

consulted a little more and in the end informed us that the another event, its organizers themselves decided to cancel it, so we continued to play by the rules of the game that we agreed to and, frankly speaking, did not think that all this would happen later, well , we did not intend to bring it to the public because it was obvious that it was some kind of communication error, the festival admitted it was emphasized at all stages of that. that's right. by the way, let's go to the materials in the atlantic , where masha hes herself said that you are cruel, but by the way, it's also interesting, and i suspect that the opinions of the participants of this event are not quite the same. well they are not all of them, he is zaseyn page, because he wrote to me in a private message. in the end, one of the participants of this event, more precisely, the moderator ilya vinyavkin, by the way, it is also a mistake in the press that masha hessen was supposed to moderate this event, in fact , no, she should have been she, they should have been

participants and wrote me this la- directly in private that they don't really feel terrible with anna nemzer because they don't consider themselves victims, they don't consider us cruel , what am i saying to you ilya well, thank you for writing, but i guess you should articulate it somehow publicly, otherwise, one will get the impression that the quoted words of hessian are spread to all participants well, but publicly for some reason i well, although i can’t say that i follow it, but i haven’t seen very many of our uh well, only literary people, well, in general, people who are interested in culture in one way or another are they engaged in? well, the atlantic recognized this material as quite manipulative, but the fortune-teller wrote a description with which i tend to agree that we have our own point of view from the americans, to their shame

, and all the more so that americans are different and it is possible perceive this event as the ukrainians refused to participate with the russians because it is now unacceptable for us and the americans can perceive it how really two soldiers came here they forgot the non-binary jew masha hessen how can it be, well it can really be this interpretation or really, this point of view, which seems manipulative to us, may simply be a point of view different from ours and with a different angle, this is how we see it, we live in a world where black can be called white, principled, uh, i don't know about blackmail and so on. therefore, it may be a completely different matter that we consistently napa insist that , well, again, we did not blackmail, and in this case, we

refused, we wanted to refuse to participate not because of specific personalities, we also insisted on this. we did not even study deeply because the grandees participants from that side because it was not important, the fact was that at the start we agreed that any russian participants well , then we simply do not go to this festival, so it seems to me that they would chew everything up enough . of course, it would be another matter if there were the desire to manipulate and serve everything under a different sauce. and this desire is obviously there, and it seems to me that this tendency is somehow growing , straightening its wings and becoming more and more noticeable when we see from everywhere the voices of some russian intellectuals and their echo is already being picked up by some western voices that they say today russians are such double victims not only of putin and cruel ukrainians, and i

even saw the phrase that ken salting russian intellectuals is actually the same as killing ukrainian children struck me with cynicism of this comparison well, but this is this, we will not quote individual personalities now, so the trend is, in general, it seems to me absolutely, well, to say that it is wild, no, in principle , this is expected from many russians, i will not say that all from many, but the question arises: why are their opportunities wasted so much, because their voices can now be heard from everywhere on all possible platforms. at the same time, they use these platforms to first of all talk about their own suffering, about the search for these enemies everywhere, among ukrainians, among i don’t know poles, chechens, syrians, and so on. those who wants to raise uh-uh important questions well, the root of this is that we generally have different goals, if these are some good

russians who are allegedly fighting against putin and putin's russia, then we are advocating the fall of imperialist russia, that is, the question arises why already carried in the other direction, i simply feel that we do not have to do their work for the russians, and it is very unfortunate that they, taking advantage of the opportunities to speak at all, are now loudly talking about not at all what would be important to talk about today well, really, at this estonian festival, their program also consisted of a discussion of what nabokov didn’t like kafka and dostoyevsky and not in us or the costumes of the protesters, that is, the lecture of 2000 somewhere in the 11th year, a serious question arises , guys, that is, today when you would have to research all the imperial constructs of its culture and actually this colonial policy of russia over the centuries in relation to ukraine, other

states that you oppressed, that is , we need to talk about it. and you are talking about nabokov’s costumes or the search for enemies, that is it is obvious that this shift of emphasis and this wrapping in a blanket of victimhood affects me personally the most. well, but probably attacking is also a certain defense tactic, by the way , i just this year for, well, more than a year, in principle, this expression is very popular human rights defender rhetoric that the victim is never you can't blame it as an axiom, that is, if there is a victim, all of us, even if she did something wrong somewhere, it's not right, we 're not her, well , you can't blame her under any circumstances, it's possible, well, the russians fit this definition if we

we're talking about the world , er, there's this discourse that's all that well, the russians, you can't blame them, you can't blame them, why do we tell them that they don't do anything , or that they're somehow weak, and maybe we, well, it really looks like a victim here, i i'm just trying to understand what they're thinking there, but if you really look at the interpretation of this expression that the victim can never be blamed, then russians can really fall under it. it is obvious that we ukrainians do not do everything right, by the way, we are in search of how to act in certain situations, it cannot be said that all our decisions are always correct and agreed also in our cultural communities . we agree to go to cultural events. where there are participants

, one way or another, there are russian participants in which we are more categorical in some ways. i think that we are all still looking for how to actually react, because there cannot be a universal solution here, and well, it is obvious that we also cannot put all russians under the same comb . well, they are also different. there are ethnic russians who left a thousand years ago and have been living in these other holidays for a long time and actually do not think that they are part of today's russia. to figure out which russians we don't cooperate with, we don't cross paths, why, but can we, at least from some point of view , with some optics, consider them victims today ? well, i guess i'm not fit for it, i'm not ready, you know. i 'm saying that i'm not fit for it either, i'm just now i wonder how much the russians are now, who were putin's victims at first, you didn't say, now

they are double because the ukrainians are attacking them , or can they be manipulated by this western human rights opinion that the victim cannot be blamed ? they are used to thinking like that there , the rape victim cannot be blamed , and the russians can be blamed, even the incomes of what and which military personnel cannot be blamed because they see the victims too, as they have heard this many times. well of course they defend themselves in this way, they sincerely even believe in it. but it seems to me that the point here is that, in general, speaking of some kind of collective consciousness, although it is obvious that different personalities have completely different views and a different level of awareness of themselves and their

guilt and so on, but it is about some kind of general responsibility and i think that we have already talked about it. it seems to me that this is not what they are busy with now, they should somehow dig deeper and actually look at themselves in the mirror. why so? it happened that russia turned into such a monster and such a culture, well, it is strange today to talk about nabokov pasternak and so on , if you wanted to talk about some much more recent and important things, why did it happen that russian stupidity at various levels actually created this fertile soil in which the seeds of today's propaganda and , well, a new attempt at genocide against ukrainians have sprouted, all these free previous ones are that they didn't exist, we'll just close it, well, that is, i don't know now. it all seems so obvious to me, but

it is clear that, for example, in the western world, it needs to be chewed up and laid out on the shelves, because , well, i guess what we see, they don't see. we are already much more prepared for these dialogues, but i am everywhere. i communicate a lot with people and cultural diplomats there or our promised ones who travel in general. i admire your work. i don’t know where you all get this patience because i don’t know. was me i would probably have all the channels for the first month, but really we have to admit for sure that we haven't been doing this clarification for a very long time , it's obvious that we live close to russia and everything is clear to us.

to explain something that would seem elementary. you have not been to completely different events in different countries. have you observed how people in different countries react to this thesis that the russians actually brought their country to the way it is perceived? and in what form it is perceived and in which not. according to my observations, in general, the last year has changed a lot, and because i have had all these nine years , i had no opportunity to interact with any international audiences. and here i remember 15-16 years. there was a feeling that we would just we go into some walls, the doors are closed, and you're talking about the round, people are talking to you about salty and it's not at all clear where to converge in the middle , and this year i already see much more understanding, although maybe i'm wearing rose-colored glasses, which is also not excluded, this

happens to me, but that's all - i still remember what happened a year ago, we were all emotionally, of course, very traumatized, we were not ready to calmly talk about all this. i think we could only shout or remain silent then, and that doesn't work either. let's be honest, and this year we are already much calmer in terms of our position and calm strength, well, we can to say some even uncomfortable things, and i was recently at the leipzig book fair, i had conversations for which i prepared my heart because the german audience is very difficult, and i talked about uncomfortable things, in particular, about why we are not ready to cross paths with the russians today and so on and so on and so on. there was a feeling that they were listening very attentively, er, that people are actually that these grains are falling where they are needed in some already more prepared

soil. and more and more often i have the feeling that our eyes attempts to fight all the walls, they do not pass in vain, gradually they begin to hear us of course we want everything to happen faster, we are not patient and we are tired in the end , but apparently all these processes require, well , the speed they require will not happen soon, but we have to be persistent. well, it is quite a long process to convince someone. i just look at how much time it took for different groups of discriminated against. that the word disabled cannot be spoken there, but still no one understands around them

, they repeat it over and over again , it takes a lot of time for sure. popular, really popular, which are there in certain countries, but according to your observations, it is impossible to speak categorically, because there will be some kind of scandal. well, for example, in our country they often like to say that even if russia fell apart and they fought there and drowned in a sea of ​​blood, we will watch it it's cool there. or let russia fall apart. well, there are some other things , well, i'm talking about the east that i mentioned. are there really any such moments, which are now, which are now ? apparently i'm not ready to say it clearly right away, but i agree with you that we need to be a little more careful with our black humor, which we protect ourselves today and this is a normal form of protection, we also need our dashkas not to leave permanently

, but it's true, eh, when it all turns out in some public space, we must remember very well that all this is being monitored and read, and even if we are discussing it with our ukrainian interlocutor and in the ukrainian language, it's as if well, we joke here in black sometimes and we understand that it's a joke but all this can be the same. well, it is appropriate that the cheerleader wrote about this to avoid being used against us, and we must be very clear about this responsibility, because really, in the civilized world, people have to be responsible for their words, and our words can be used against we don't want to look like some kind of savages, and well, we are already playing . after all, we are already part of this civilized world in a different game, so it is important to remember that we now have a lot of

readers who are citizens. i, for example, often i write in ukrainian and then i understand that all of this is still read carefully by foreigners, that's why. well, i guess we should be more careful, friends. let me remind you that we had iryna cilyk on the air , a director - a writer who was one of those who went to new york for a literary festival, at which and another grandiose scandal was born. i would still like to believe that we can avoid these scandals, but in reality, no, that's why, as they say , we continue to break the whole rock, i wish you a calm and good evening, apologies

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, the apartments in the neighborhood were looted with the hood , a funny fact. in short, they all died. they were taken prisoner in underwear by the armed forces. in russian it's like a russian fairy tale, it's a pot well, in fact, yes, i was directly relieving myself well, this is what the russian world looks like, you can destroy the an-225, but you can't destroy the ukrainian dream. today we are leaving for eastern polissia, we will not film stories about these territories and the resistance that the people put up, we are leaving the office today for the ravine of the office of victory from which we recently returned. if it is important to you that we are now

let's do it, subscribe to us on youtube, like, leave comments and support us on the cartridge. and we went to meet for kharatin starsky. this is the new call sign of my old friend andrii, whom we have known for 15 years. he was probably in the national guard and participated in the defense gostomel and that region of the gostomel airport, and now we are actually going there from kyiv to see on the spot so that he destroyed the people that happened there

, what was going on there? the air force was working there, how did our people get kicked out of there? i found three rubles of soviet things near my trench . i can’t imagine how it stopped. i have a version that when they were just robbing apartments, they found some kind of private collection. maybe so, but it was like that. interesting, you know, like hello, this is the soviet union, i was just recording an interview here, i'm looking at what it is, i get 3 rubles, wow, there was also a funny story when we were pulling out of the base, and our foreman said, listen, i'll go and get my documents there is already a real shooting battle going on here, that is, it continues, he says, i will go and collect my documents right away, they left a lot of passports, money, in short, these are the cars, that is, all the cars that our servicemen left behind burned vindictively, then the foreman runs in , grabs his things, then runs up to the car

, the car was parked, he he dives into her and before that he says i'm looking at the kp and at the kp some dudes in uniform, at first he thought that it was already an oak outfit and he shouts oh and they started shooting, i understood the answer, well if the same i would have started shooting, i understood, that is, you are capturing the enemy cp there, yes, and here in the middle of this type, there is a type like this, hey, it turned out that they were russians, yes, they were here , there was a firefight, well, in general, yes, i can say what i say happened quite professionally, that is, they knew, aunty, where they went they come from the fields, they ran all the way here, they actually went to the kp, that is, it clearly worked. listen to the news , they were preparing for a very long time . i remember about a year and a half ago, it was in

sternenka. training, it's like eh and it's actually very strange when the prisoners say that they didn't know anything and accidentally ended up here blindfolded, the cossacks were coming here, that's why edem was sent to three-way training, yes, he was sent for привыдения учебно боевых result well, somewhere, this is how the russian world looks like nosification and that's all, the director who filmed bourne's identification mr. and mrs. smith translator baglaiman came here with some cool drones that shoot in 3d and it made a completely 3d scene with a dream with the remains of a dream by a stangar when the sbushniks saw it, i thought that they had a little bit of a fever there, they started calling everyone there and threatening sooner or later some kind of

art film appeared in any way, it's a monument to the russian, it's hard to imagine what was in that head that wore that er ear and it was rusty and soviet 100% folic symbol kadyrovets i they dug up here literally a day , that is, they buried some of their corpses or just shook it, they did not bury their corpses, they partially collected them, of course, but uh, in most cases, if we talk about uh when we went there further to gut, they just threw them, there was such a situation that we even had to partially move our positions somewhere 200-300 m to the side, simply because

the personnel could not bear this stench , because the fields are like warhammers you know, they were covered with their bodies, which, well, no one cleaned them up, there was no point in burying them, there was no possibility, and to take them out with equipment meant exposing the equipment to danger, because they were all shelled there, and as a result, they were partially left there as eaten by dogs, because here but even the dogs stopped eating after a while because, well, probably not very high-quality products . let's say yes, yes, 40 was good enough, sat down, came out 45. they really wore our shoes . there are many documented cases when you were captured in our underwear. from the armed forces of ukraine, this prisoner who is sitting in

a wedding suit is very tasty . did he come to the territory of ukraine as the commander of the reconnaissance plant ? that is, he was taken probably completely naked . perhaps at the moment when he was changing clothes from our uniform, if even medvedchuk wore all the ukrainian uniforms, yes, it means how it means it is 100% qualitative. we can see by the way, on the second floor there are green sandbags and the same there on the last or penultimate, that is, they used residential buildings behind which they actually expelled me as their barracks as their er observation points literally the first week after we liberated it was impossible to get to gostomel on the streets, everything was not in ruins, er, around, well, fragments from ammunition, from buildings, and the remains there

some kind of equipment, and well, it was trivial to puncture a tire, but literally in a week, the services came here, walked the roads and streets, cleaned everything, built the same crossing, uh, on the site of the destroyed bridge , and even managed to pave it with asphalt. i love ukraine, only nyshchik knows how to build it as she showed, kadyrov shouted that we are not retreating, while the kadyrovs themselves fled , yes, the kadyrovs are real, but the tick tock of the troops , the kadyrovs have very cool equipment , they do sports, they are pumped up, handsome, with very cool active headphones, very dear, it all looks very cool on the tik tok video, but the problem is that the only really combat tik tok that they shot , that is, the videos that they shot directly on the battlefield, this is the video where she usually