[000:00:00;00] что э-э какая такая это в раздета на нам культур и это очень большая проблема. and how do they treat the er-e chinese ? we had the news that china will use vladivostok and the ports of vladivostok as an internal port for domestic transportation of china. in fact, yes, yes, there is a common nation regarding the fact that ukraine, for god’s sake, that china is gaining control over a-and it means part of the economic infrastructure of the northeast, and there is a certain problem here, but part of this topic is being exploited. not true but that is, if we are really talking about obnomic integration, russia is for the most part beneficial, but it is certainly perceived by many as the body of russian sovereignty, and it

shows that there is a serious concern about china, they are not aware of it, because russia is now very weak, and russia very much depends on china's position on the war in ukraine, including whether it will help russia circumvent sanctions , whether re-exports will go through china, that is to russia, you are terribly dependent, therefore, now, each one regarding what china has undertaken in relation to russia causes a huge resonance in three countries, eh, and yes, many people are convinced that china is using you in a situation without the help of russia now, and what it will get for itself, but de facto i still do not see so that something like this really happened china , ah, relatively neutral , calm and wants to play such a role as a neutral peacemaker, who is now trying to offer some erm some truce some such geopolitical steps in order to become a mediator but is it really uh now

it looks like this in the russian media when uh the image of china as a country and the chinese people is presented as i don't know bratsky something like that in view of these political events on do you remember this meeting so super warm, and well, at least that's how they tried to portray it in russia, i mean putin , izipinya, there were such requests indeed, but i don't think that we will call it the deep russian people. he believes in this and is ready to sympathize and be ready to throw my arms around the chinese brothers, this is such a political geopolitical game from the kremlin, but i don’t think there is any prospect that this will actually happen in the first place because china is absolutely not gathering and secondly, because the average russian still sees himself despite all

the propaganda, despite what he tells us that we have a special way and so on . much closer to europe than to asia and eh oh, the chinese are not waiting for any rapprochement, they don’t want such excitement, well, in that case , this is this, this is the feeling . this is the positioning you are talking about. if there really is such a feeling or there is a self-identification of an average average russian well, the actions of the majority of russians, the position of the majority of russians, indicates that well, they are doing something wrong if they look in this direction and not somewhere in the east, well, well of course understands that in words it can sound the same way, that is, in words it is possible to talk about some special way

and so on . of course, follow the questionable civilization and i don’t know there. it’s all a dream here. it’s a vacation somewhere in italy. it’s not enough. who wants to look at the great whale ? from the point of view of soft power, from all sides, of course eh russians in general, they are still looking at europe , even look at the officiality of the questions, as i will now invite you cannot be trusted. yes, at the same time, the russians believe that this is what the propaganda will introduce, they believe that this is the west, as if we are defending ourselves, but nevertheless, they want rapprochement with europe, they want this war to end, that the sanctions

will end, well, again, i don’t want to go in the second circle, but this absolutely contradicts the actions or the lack of those actions that we see from the side of the russians, by the way , another interesting story. because those people who left, based on what you are saying now in theory, they would have to show this position of theirs, this disagreement of theirs. well, somewhere in the free world, but there is no reason for this. well, there are many different factors. and if we judge because of how people behave in russia here it is necessary to understand that even for a like and for i don't know once a layer of any message you are followed criminally that's why we don't see those tens of millions of russians who a-a stand against what's happening now, and the tersians

who a-a left there, and someone is carrying out mass actions, someone er-er somehow helps well, a lot of people just vo- the first one is demoralized and uh, well, like you, there is prostration, and someone is afraid for his relatives , although i think that it is quite stupid. uh, with mass crimes in connection with the search, i will remind you that several and tens of thousands of administrative criminal actions were taken against people who expressed their position in one way or another , including in relation to the war . those who left because um those of them who think but i want to come back someday and do you have any family left, they unfortunately behave a-a not enough a-a well, that is, they do not

speak like an investigator expect, well , you know, the question here was that which ones are not they can at the end of the protest because of the repressive uh repressive regime inside the country but when leaving nothing happens we don't see the actions of the russians somewhere in vienna uh or in warsaw or in paris uh but for me you know what is more revealing uh is the fact that russian liberals, who in russia are recognized as agents, when they go abroad and write some posts even on instagram, they continue to write a registration certificate about the fact that this material was created by a foreign agent, they are already abroad, what is keeping them, they continue to see one's future in putin's russia that there are such people who continue to put this box on the table, and such a one is very humiliating, but

it is wrong, but not me. uh, they used to work at the independent media that moved, uh, they continue to work there, and now many of them have become . i see that many of the journalists, for example, who were warned when they were in russia and tried to say something more carefully after they left, became much more radical, including starting there from the tv channel dozhd and further yes that yes, they have become much more rigid, although i understand that it may not be noticeable there from the country, but how could it be, since i pay attention to it very much, it is called tracking with you. i agree that i would like to see, of course, too, er, much more mass actions , but here there is also such a feeling that many russians, i

just communicate with the diaspora with people in different european countries, russians, er, do not really understand that in the hostel, this is what many people think they are afraid of on the contrary, they expect that they will come forward, you don't say anything because they have no moral right . they are sitting at home, and i think you need to explain that they really don't expect much from the russians. the expressed position let even not abroad, but it’s one thing when 100,200 people come out like now for the embassy, ​​it’s another thing if it comes out to several tens of thousands . it ’s going to be a lot because it changed the identity of the russians. the founder and editor-in-chief of the online publication the insider is in touch with us to demoralize the ukrainian soldiers in bakhmut and invented another fake that is not entirely new because

such information was already heard from propagandists they say that the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zuluznyi, the deputy minister of defense of ukraine, anna malyar, denied the occupiers' fiction, said that zuluznyi is on the spot, unharmed and still working. this is a typical information technology aimed at demoralizing our troops . its duration of action is very short, from several hours to one day. because the information is easy to verify, and its effect is expected in the case of an apt moment of dissemination and massiveness , the moment of dissemination is an understandable peak of voltage in the bahmut when even a few demoralized the military from our side will make the situation easier for them precisely because of this and a bunch of premature messages about taking bahmut hanna painter deputy minister of defense of ukraine alyona romanyuk the fact is how the mountain joins our broadcast good night good night to you well, let's definitely try to evaluate the effect, whether it was at least some of

launches of the launch of such a fake, it is clear that it was immediately refuted, but what do we have in the dry balance, and in fact, such fakes are very weak and absurd, and they are launched not for the first time, this is happening periodically e-e starting from e-e the commander-in-chief of the armed forces e-e actually mr. zulzhny and ending with a-a m-m influential generals or commanders why do they launch it and what effect does it have effect effect usually it has a very short duration e-e really such the messages are refuted literally in the first half of the day, and when the fake gets at least some kind of spread , they do, russia launches such fakes out of three with , well, let's say three goals, and the first one is to discredit and disorganize

our armed forces. if suddenly this effect the second will really be apt in order to exert some psychological pressure on those people who are mentioned in a specific fake a-a which is generally not good at the moment and as we can see there is no effect and the third reason is for a-a internal audience for their own army and for in order to raise their morale and in order to somehow show their own victories, which is also not there. hmm . very good or qualitative influence. manipulations, if we talk about fakes, then they are often stillborn, they do not fire, but you never really know when this very fake message

may eventually fire over time, the main thing here is how to cut it off , how to check it, because it is from time to time in our social networks in viber mailing lists probably have them all, there are parental ones, in kindergartens , in neighboring district schools, and from time to time such information appears, a neighbor of kuma's brother, who works in the sbu, reported and this very night, at one o'clock, belarusians they will start to attack, this information was circulated half of the winter, a few days have passed, they are coming again, then there will be a massive rocket fire, so that god knows where we will all hide, and the neighbor's best man's brother knows for sure, because he works in the sbu, if there is no such registration, because when i see it, it is already funny to me but if there is not, because there are fakes and more disguised ones, how can we detect them and check them? you know for sure that this is a profession, and i will allow myself a remark about the massive missile attack by

the belarusians. in general, this fake appeared for the first time in 25 in may of last year, that is, we have been watching this fake for a year and when we refuted it, we explained that, well , actually, this is an example of rumors, and rumors are actually very dangerous because they are such unverified information of dubious origin that often appeals to the future, and we can neither refute it in time nor, uh, say yes , nor confirm it, because in two or three days there will definitely be a massive rocket attack. is this appeals to the future. we can't know what will happen in two days. what we need to understand when we are in ukraine is that the enemy is trying to undermine us from the inside and chooses any methods for this. one of them is to turn

us among ourselves. a lot, but on the other hand, it's actually our way to provoke panic, honestly, it's much easier to manipulate people in a state of panic, accordingly, we need to understand that ah russia ah launches missile attacks whenever and wherever it is lured. it can release six daggers at kyiv, and simply because they wanted to. and ukraine can launch 100 missiles, and we are not immune to this. missiles can fly , just like drones, but we are already in a state of full-scale war, and that's all. time to scare us with another shelling another missiles is very difficult therefore, the first thing we need to understand is that we filter the information

, that is , the best man of the brother-in-law, thank you. from reliable the media is where the journalists really check the information. second, we remember that the enemy is attacking us and if any information prompts us to quickly run there and do something there, or ah , fear causes anger, anger, panic. and we have to tell ourselves to stop and go to the kitchen to make tea without uh, gadgets without a phone, without a laptop, in order to calm down emotions a little, and the third is to unsubscribe from all kinds of scavenger sites from telegram channels, which are anonymous, which work for the enemy, masquerading as pro-ukrainian and thus informational hygiene, critical thinking, help not to react to such things, well, in this case, can we talk about the development of a certain

immunity. this information is so because, on the one hand, we understand that it is no longer scary for us, and having survived more than one night under rocket fire, seeing how air defense works, uh, we seem to be working on this immunity, on the other hand , russian propaganda is not standing still, and it is developing, and accordingly, is there not an increase in such rates, but in fact , general erudition and the ability to analyze information and two simply vital skills in modern conditions because of the fact that, remember the first days of the full -scale invasion, when they talked about the fact that all our mobile networks there are being eavesdropped by the enemies, or about the fact that a------------------------------------------------------- some missile strikes, turn off geolocation, delete viber, delete whatsapp, and so on, and that is , there were a lot of such likes, which currently

seem to us to be silly and funny, but in the first days we believed so, so we can talk about what such silly fakes are we already have a certain immunity. but really , russian uh-uh russian propaganda and russian uh-uh throw-ins, they don’t stand still, they’re developing, they’ve now become much , much more hmm well, uh, i won’t say that they’re more refined , but they uh, they have become tougher and if earlier it was files, now it is russian propaganda, it seeks out the problems that really exist in ukraine and in ukrainian society and tries to expand them as much as possible to show that it is an incredibly big problem that well, for example, here is one of the latest videos which gained notoriety when er people on the maidan are asked how they help the army and there is a video for 50 seconds there or for 1.5 minutes where no one

helps in any way. but again, it is just a cut and we can see exactly the same way people who are there in other videos that are very good and help a lot and for and do to win that war, accordingly, we need to a-a understand that if treason is sown somewhere very strongly a-a and it can be er-er very likely but really some russian throw-ins and it is necessary to analyze this information so it is difficult so we are always guided by emotions but as practice shows, as the war shows, we are learning , and in my opinion, it is the best er, and in the world, we can resist er, russian propaganda about er, how we learn in the ukrainian social network, i won’t say what is famous

, but it is full scandals, i will not say that word on the air, as we call them in social networks, er, what is happening, and er, some topics were a period, or at all, a new topic every day, and scarier and scarier, this is a terrible heid and terrible scandals, do you think it is inspired are you saying that russia can be inflated by russia? after all, this is our kind of traditional national emotionality multiplied by the stress of the war, but look, in fact, there are really a lot of scandals in social networks, and on the one hand , from what i saw, it is fueled by russia and bots like that in the comments now there are really many of them and many of them are disguised as real accounts that are practically impossible to distinguish from the real ones, and really our society is now more

polarized than it was a year ago, so that is, political differences are already appearing -and forces are already starting again and who is more and who is less , that is, uh, this is a departure from the main goal, but on the other hand, these scandals in social networks uh , they probably give an outlet for emotions uh, to people who have been there for so long already they live in a-a hmm er-e in under psychological pressure in conditions when we are attacked constantly and here are the latest a-a there are he er-er missile and drone attacks a-a on ukraine and on kyiv in particular they er-er this such psychological terrorism when people can't sleep like that when you go to bed there every night

you're worried again, there's an explosion outside the window, and it also creates a certain psychological pressure on the population, and somewhere these emotions need to be dealt with. and one of these ways is social networks. memes that is, it is not only about scandals, as you called it so very loyally. here, but there is another manifestation of this. when they turn to humor and and. that is, it is also a way to protect against negative emotions, a way to give an outlet a-a because to protect yourself from a-a here these psychological attacks on er russian propaganda returned to this again and er her evolution here, i would also like to talk about technology. because you remember these episodes that were from 2014, and even before that, i also remember that there were such stories, in many respects staged, some pseudo stories were filmed

, well, about this boy who was crucified and so next eh what is now eh how much russian propaganda has changed precisely in this context because well, to be honest, to a boy's mind , it's as if you don't immediately remember some fresh eh boy but we understand that they are acting , they will remember this boy because first these crucified boys, he was probably the first and the most striking example of staged news, but we can remember how many times russia announced the capture of bahmut, that is, just every time with a video with flags and what and every time oh another quarter oh two more oh there and there we leave no, we are pulling up the troops there and the situation is really very difficult, there are very fierce battles, but all the previous videos for the entire time of the defense of bakhmut , which russia showed on its tv channels and launched through its so-called military

correspondents of propagandists, are a production a-and again er-er er-er there were many such staged plots from er-er temporarily occupied cities from the same mariupol from melitopol a-a from kherson which is already de-occupied so that is a-a ukrainian children are often used in these collaborators are used in the stories in order to show how russia is greeted by ukrainians, nazis, what uh, the ukrainian armed forces punished nazi battalions and its many other narratives of russian propaganda , because russian propaganda works according to specific narratives, that is, according to such let's say so with stories that explain the causes and consequences of the war and how the world is organized, so to speak, one of these such

talks is about the fact that ukraine is not an existing state, about the fact that the power in ukraine was seized by nazis, fascists, neo-nazis, and so on, and about that that in ukraine, the russian language is suppressed there, the ukrainian language is a dialect of russian, and so on. and in support of these narratives, various plots are directed, and in particular, a film was released in russia not so long ago about the war there uh, and about that a-ah russia is liberating, i am actually occupying ukrainian territories, however, everyone is congratulating russia, i want more there , so that it ends sooner, and the whole horror of russia is not alone, because there is good and peace in this territory, and so on and so forth

there are really a lot of directed things, but the vast majority of them are aimed at the internal audience, the external ones are a little thinner, a-a a little thinner, such things and more manipulations through opinion leaders, through paid experts, if we are talking , for example, about the event a in ukraine, unfortunately, really there are those who are a small percentage. who wants to, who collaborates, who is a collaborator , who leaks information, and uh, we see how the security service of ukraine constantly detects and detains such persons. and the question of how to resist because this is not only not only the aspect of understanding as action information but also another such challenge as, er, protect yourself, as i already said this word immunity today, how to develop this immunity in order not

to become a victim of these special operations of information thank you for finding time at such a late hour at such a late hour , but uh, let me remind you about it once again, alyona romanyuk , the fact is that the check is with us on a direct line. thank you for the sleepless nights, it is very valuable. alyona romanyuk was actually with us on this. we thank you, our colleagues olena chabak and kostyantyn linchevskyi will continue to work in this studio until the day of remembrance of the victims of political repressions 1917-1921 the red terror took about a million lives in ukraine 1921-1923 mass

famine caused the death of at least 500 thousand of the inhabitants of ukraine 1929-1932 collectivization one million 200,000 peasants were deported from ukraine 1932-1933 holodomor at least three million 900 thousand died from an artificially created famine 1937-1938 the great terror 300,000 were shot and imprisoned 1939-1941 230,000 inhabitants of galicia were deported volyn, bukovyna and bessarabia june 1941 24,000 political prisoners were killed without trial and investigation in the prisons of western ukraine may 1944 at least 183,000 crimean tatars were expelled from

crimea 1945 360,000 ostarbaiters were staged to the gulag 1944-1954 327,000 ukrainians were deported from the western regions of ukraine 153,000 fighters for the independence of ukraine were killed in battles 134,000 were arrested 1946-1947 a mass famine claimed at least 700,000 lives 1960-1989 approximately a thousand ukrainian dissidents were sentenced to prison or sent to psychiatric hospitals, according to approximate estimates , from 9 to 10 million people in ukraine became victims of the kremlin's terror . kremlin's crimes. they always say that we can

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