[000:00:00;00] they said that it is a maltese cross, it is indeed a cross, but if you reduce it, it becomes a flower on a woman 's shirt, and if you draw out the maltese cross, but were they widespread, that is, was it popular, was it popular, yes, it was popular i'm not an ethnographer, but i was told by a person who already works with me a lot in the project. she lives in novy rozdol , she knows the history of her region very well - this is lesya demchuk. she said that during the period of time when bandera lived in this area it was zhydachivshchyna is now a different district there lvivshchyna goes, you understand, that’s why everything changes, but the shirts from this district are very widespread and they are identical , that

is, women ’s colored. the color of this folk costume of the banderas was probably red or close to red, so the shirt was black and white. so it remained, so we sewed it in these colors. well, i think that lesya should have recognized this shirt because every decent woman has there is a legend of the halych family, somewhere in the zhydachiv district, there is a legend that once i spent the night with them as a bandera. i once had shukhevych legends , a legend of the zolochiv region, that is my family legend. my grandfather told me that bandera once stayed with them. he came at night and they gave him a saddle because he somewhere there at night he gathered people and at night he conducted some politics of his party to them, because during the day it was a little

dangerous, they don't know how true it is or not. i will shoot her, therefore, stepan andriyovych navedusi helps the army to maintain morale for me tatiana, your story with these embroiderers, she can also thank another ukrainian, i don’t know if you can say outstanding, but because of him, too, certain historical events took place, you became interested in embroidery thanks to yanukovych, more that’s right i thought that he should not be the president of donetsk, you know, such a region is very densely populated and almost all ukrainians have been here for the 14th year. well, we kind of think that all ukrainians left at once because someone left someone left to fight well, there were also some of you among the ukrainians who left yes, i knew right away that it was a war because well, a little bit of military, aesthetic , it was clear, i don’t know. it was clear to me, but still, well, that is, yanukovych, you

didn’t think that he should be the president, but how did it turn out, it was just like this, you know, a sign of protest. i thought about something, what should be done. i must have a lot of ukrainian blood, i decided that something should be done, because it will be the same, our whole country will be disintegrated, like donetsk itself, because i remember i am waiting for you the question arose back in the 90s, why are we in ukraine, and in donbas ? we have all the paperwork. in the 19th year, we had three projects, which were printed and carried out, and on the national shirt and on the reindeer bee, we sang the book together with our classmates, and actually we understood that it is necessary

to study the elite of our country. few people go to the museum, but when you you show a beautiful picture such a picture with a beautiful shirt, an outstanding person, an outstanding ambassador, people are interested in this, and they are not only me , but i can tell you 100% that not only do they study the scheme, but they read the text, and our museum staff write the texts about their museum and about the outstanding person. well, if the information is accurate about the shirt, it's shevchenko's shirt, there's just an embroidered collar, but it's taras shevchenko, the collar is small, the stripe is small, but it's well, i don't know at the time if it was strong, and they said about shevchenko that he loved to dress beautifully , this shirt is most likely he ordered

to his sister in order to work because she is a chumachka she is a work shirt she is of gray cloth maybe he was just sewn without anything and then he said what do you know how men do and my sister left me at least something and a collar judge by the way it is sewn on it is very interestingly processed so that these shoulders do not rub off, he was already an artist , wearing equipment for an artist, this is all, most likely , it was a worker, but it was preserved, and there are photos and drawings that show that he loved and had beautiful shirts and him. these shirts were given by the maximovych family in particular, but neither a photo nor the shirts themselves have been preserved. therefore, this is perlyna ’s collection, just like it is on me. i really like elena pchilka’s collar. we have six postcards dedicated to the collars of the kosach family, because

they adapted folk embroidery under the modern patterned women's style, that is, when the women have already left . they went to work. a woman is still a woman and they embroidered. many collars and collars embroidered with folk patterns have survived. that is, old embroidery is very much coming back to life. so you are bringing back to life some old, forgotten designs of the same er-er, some figures or literature or some historical historical figures, and besides, the interest of the interest of the embroidery itself and also collecting money from us history er-er this project started mykola lysenko's shirt when i saw it it was just born and we sewed it up we took it on ivan the deer oh he is very handsome in this shirt but we have not yet found clear

evidence that we know it is lysenko's shirt but we need our scientific curator says we we have have a document that confirms that this is the shirt is no longer there because our volunteers from donetsk sold it and bought a sniper scope, but the photo remains. i really hope that mykola lysenko will also be in our collection. we are a musician. when was mykola lysenko a person? we invite you to invite us to the studio bring a shirt show us thank you ms. tetyana for what you do tetyana zes craftswoman and the founder of the embroidery project in the clothes of prominent ukrainians was with us and now we will continue to talk about symbols about graphic graphic symbols how important are they join us bohdan dal graphic designer author of wall paintings font developer social activist mr. bohdan welcome to our air good day i greet you i will very

briefly remind you that 15 stations in kyiv have been renamed since 1991 ah, now this process is coming to an end, and in addition to decommunization , diversification is also coming to an end, because ah, the square that ukrainian-speaking kyivans jokingly called leo the rough , aka leo tolstoy, finally ceases to be this and also the people's friendship square will now be zvirinetska, why zvirinetska. by the way, if you can say briefly, show me, oh, this is already what he is proposing. as far as i understand , bohdan dal is his idea. this is how to sign it in this font. there is and there is a menagerie because there was such a small hunting ground

there once in the princes’ place they hunted there in this place and what is interesting is that there is also a similar one in vilnius. by the way , she even read such a similar historical location very similar it is called eh here eh and eh it was called it is called zhveri us and also there they rejoiced eh loved to hunt freedom there is also such a historical place left, which means that everything unites us within the limits of easter under lithuanian. that is, it is always about the heritage and about the symbols that connect us or for example with the grand duchy of lithuania or we ourselves understand with what or with the small er and the small russian empire er vadim poznyakov the head of the public organization of decommunization of ukraine also joins us because we have a very yes these this topic if only graphic images names and also those symbols that we inherited and

with which we are still getting rid of those that we are still getting rid of joins us eh hm andriy , you wanted to ask mr. bohdan something , let's start with the fact that with these fonts very often i think that the meanings are underestimated the way it is written in our country is very often used, for example, this one, what is it called, this terrible one, it seems to be stylized under kievan rus, so that there is such and such a font that they use under some manual there, which was developed there in the 80s in moscow somewhere. here is the question , why is it important to be awe-inspiring i respectfully, actually, to the traditions, including in the graphic image, when we have already

removed something, the question awaits , what do you put instead of it? by the way, the topic of fonts in the decommunization of imperialism was unfairly forgotten because in fact fonts are also carriers of ideological ideological stylistics and through the style of letters it is also possible to convey a link to some imperial myth or some kind of totalitarian regime, and i think that it should be spelled out in some way in the laws and regulated when we say , for example, about the name you propose, and i understand it, but this zvirinetska is a stylization of which font , which era, before creating some kind of legacy, well, it was actually my initiative, no one asked me to do this, these inscriptions

for the walls of the subway were renamed, and they were not approved, that is, this is this, this is this, this is just an idea, it is not approved, no one said that it will be so or not i don't know from the office of the president, in fact, as an artist, as an artist, i am trying to push my vision of reality. i believe that i can do it professionally, and in this way, i propose these options for public consideration so that she would gain a certain resonance and further, in essence, push this idea of ​​the environment with her well, there are partly already intermediate agreements that they are interested in this, no, it is possible that it will be implemented . well, if this is the type to take, what inspired you, to which era does it send us, because there is something in it, there is something so ancient in it but it's not russian, it's not, it's not like that, you know, ivan

the terrible, the gold leaf, i made two versions for ukrainian heroes square. i posted the first version a few weeks ago. completely from scratch and there are a lot of symbols laid there, and for the menagerie - this is the first draft version so far and it is made on the basis of the work of sashka komyakhov, a fairly well-known illustrator who, in turn, took these letters from the refectory church of the kyiv-pechersk lavra and illustrated by them the project related to the preservation of information about the cults destroyed by the totalitarian regime in kyiv and not only, and accordingly , work will continue in the dozvirinetskaya plan , people express their comments where they are constructive, accordingly, i take them into account and it is possible everything will change a lot there, the old name is written in a rather peculiar style of friendship

of peoples, which was developed by architects in the 90s, if i am not mistaken, it cannot be preserved, but it is very illegible and there are a lot of things about the topic of non-readability. and if we talk about whether it is necessary to emphasize something, for example, we use this font very often . remind me what it's called . you can see it everywhere since the 80s. russian food is like that and it is very often used in order to somehow emphasize. i don't know what the problem is with that russian food . the problem is that it is a pseudo-historical font . it is not based on historical examples.

created by a russian woman, yarmolayeva, in the late 80s, and in fact it became the title font of all the imperial and separatist pro-russian entities that are now standing against us in this war, that is, all the dpr and lpr and the russian orthodox church, they all use it. in fact, this font became so it is actually a sign of a myth and that is why it is harmful. i know that it is still there in the president ’s office. look, we found such and such a photo. actually , this is the application . is this sign still there? i raised the question about him on the sign in the president’s office, and it is still there. is preserved, that is, in order for this to change, it is necessary to deliver a message to a certain level that it is important, why it is important, and essentially form such a visual state ideology that would not allow such things because at the level of the highest state authorities, in essence, it was

norm because no one paid attention to this, and some conventionally speaking quack inside the verkhovna rada, some apparatus of the verkhovna rada, he approved these graphic samples and they could have completely ideologically unacceptable things, the problem is with you the question is actually, you are taking away all these monuments, plaques and all sorts of things that have been left to us as a legacy here and here and here and there are also fonts, something needs to be figured out in order to get rid of all that flora of russian er with monuments even already do we have a law now or is it easy is it all going well or do people finally understand why these aloshkas or vanushkas and ivanushkas, what are they called there , all kinds of monuments to the soldiers and the great

national mr. vadim do you hear us so we hear you actually i ask because well, look first of all, the law has not yet come into force. that is, as far as two to four months are needed , or they have been invited . and without a law , what about the linguistic mixture in chernihiv oblast, poltava oblast, kharkiv

oblast? groups of world war i. that is, you will write about the soviet homeland and so on and so on, but the question of all of them is that they are a representative, that is, they do not recommend that i dismantle them or leave them , that is, well, let’s say that they leave room for maneuver well, but we are already talking so much in space it seems to me that our informational staff is conducting educational work regarding what these symbols, what these monuments are, what they are harmful to, and you, again, on your facebook page today, we even showed these photos of the village of silnytsia or a salt mine in vinnytsia region, where people decided to update , so to speak, the hammer and sickle and the whole star. and then in red color, red golden, what else needs to be done so that people understand why why this is not ok. unfortunately, these people

are still on 30 pairs on the 32nd year of independence pantyhose to a mental collective farm, well, this is the most common among them, they have a task to whiten, paint, they do it, they don’t think, this is one such photo out of thousands all over ukraine of such varieties of molotov , there are several thousand morgues all over ukraine, who painted red , wanted the youth with various such beautiful things there are a lot of such people on the territory of ukraine. we are angry. they don’t think that they have been disarmed . something must be done with the memorial of the great motherland. they still write and they do it there. how in the kyiv region they took pictures of children with gonorrhea with hammers and did not think that it was abnormal, and we published so many such common stories. to our page in telegram , there were several dozen under 50, and this was just a drop in the ocean, because we will not litter there with thousands of similar messages. that is, we need, maybe even need, a separate

law for all these monuments of the second world war war, because when in 2015 the law on decommunization was adopted, then you did such things to me so that people would not be surprised that we are leaving everything as it was status quo. that is, we are not removing the line of chipayeva in kirovy postasheva , but all these young stars. we are leaving a now this status can finally be violated because it all looks very wild when i come to you the day before yesterday in the city of sambora near lviv that we see it ground on these monuments well, how is it even possible lviv oblast lviv oblast kharkiv oblast yurmatska, lviv region, nevertheless, i see that in lviv region

, all kinds of monuments are falling down a little bit, again here is the village of pyanovichi in sambir region, one monument has already fallen, so to speak, this is the community itself. created by the lviv regional administration commission for decommunization, they are now falling very massively and there is a clear task to complete the process by the end of this year, although the pace is such that i will not be surprised that most of the objects will fall , maybe even there by the middle of summer, that is thanks to the clear political will of the lviv regional government, it is still moving thanks, of course, not only to the clear position, but also to the activists who consciously do all this for the war veterans, the guys who are currently fighting, and because of the fact that in this group, we are also helping there now to create something similar, gentlemen, you are both activists , what you are doing hurts, i am curious, i am just wondering if it is possible. the ministry of culture

asked you for some advice on how to make ukraine look ukrainian, how to do so that there is less of something russian-soviet in it. no, bohdan, they didn’t address you as a specialist. in our country, usually all good things come from below, and that’s when people are upset, they can’t do anything else. and they themselves push it to the highest state level. it works only from the bottom up, if it is applied from the top, well, there are some positive examples, but not in this case, i.e. i was not approached personally , no one approached me personally either, although i do not know that people from the ministry of culture monitor the process is automated, all our pages, but even though there was no appeal, that is, if people have national memory, i have a long-term

contact, let’s say so, with the ministries of culture. in which regions are we actively working with the case? and in this expert consultation, the mole of fish and kharkiv's friend avakov, mr. krasunivskyi, who defends bulgakov, well, such characters there. these two girlfriends that i talked about, they defended the soviet mosaics of stepan the young there oh, because this is a great artistic value, krosovistsky tells how cool bulgakov is, despite the fact that nothing prevented him from publishing books and the visionary there, it started in the country of yanukovych, well, this is otaka, the comedian from diversification about tkachenko , they did practically nothing, they only reached out to the commission, they gave what kind of people do we work for, and there are a lot of such people being created, the commission may already be completing its work, and

prikrychenko's commission - it's just a pass written down, you know actually, about all these commissions, before the war, i was once in kyivskyi near kyiv, there is such a thematic amusement park called kyivska rus. i think it was called that, or is it called there, as if it is, er, i don’t know what you know, what it’s about, it’s like a theme park where people came with their children to spend time er where there are as if restored some kind of wooden , some kind of fortress, as if from kyiv of some princely era and there seems to be some kind of armor, some weapons and also there are different possible some er, in a word, ceremonial things there are religious buildings and so on you're an elephant, it's like how do you find yourself in the atmosphere? well, somewhere there, it's roughly stylized under some kind of place, i don't know, maybe it's the 9th or 10th century

of princely russia, and i realized then that they were happening, an extraordinary dissonance between what i know in principle from history by what i see in front of me, because this was the version, as they say, of the globular of kievan rus, and i suddenly realized that we are very much overlapping here, in fact, with that designer who, er, karmazin represented er, then peter i and that is, in fact, when we talk about what is russian history is constructed to a large extent. yes, it was constructed not so long ago, less than 300 years ago, but the question is that when we try to recreate this piece of history , which we claim to be the so-called kievan rus', we also see that we very often simply show on levels of pop culture, what is it called, we show some of the same, some of those imperial crafts of the times

of the crimson, modified. and now in russia, i am observing that such an interesting , interesting, such a movement is happening precisely in tik tok among russian teenagers and yaki, for example, there in they have such a half-fictional story that they seem to be the descendants of some mythical ancient russians, the ancient rus, who fight with reptiloids, and the whole world is reptiloids, that is, they come from humans, and the rest of the video. i understand that this is an absolutely childish consciousness that builds some new myths that are simply are born. this is how it is, somewhere in social networks, and this is some, this is also a limited number of people in this in this interaction. well , i am talking about what actually those processes. made on the basis of fonts, in particular narbutov fonts, so i am not mistaken and it turned out so successfully that it is not, not on robots , no, no, but nevertheless, they made a horo

sound and even now they said that it works and the application uses the same fonts that are in that brandbook for the army developed this question, that is, in fact, what can we make a brandbook so that we have the right optics when we look at such things as , i don’t know, as the legacy of kyivan rus, as the legacy of, for example, the cossack period as the legacy of the era of the grand duchy of lithuania and as the legacy already of the soviet russian empire and as a legacy of the soviet regime, because each of those periods has a mass of pop culture, in fact , these are izhets . they are at every step , visualized, perceived, stitched on the cortex.

to chernivtsi literally in a few minutes and i will have to give you a ride now, but i will still say that there are problems with communication, so look, i think that there should be only one, well, only one approved font, or maybe there are several, or it was possible to do it for local self-government bodies, how to do these models of the board, which we whispered, which memorable fonts, issued on the monument , the resolution will be some kind of self-activity, there should be a single recommendation from the season of national memory of a professional institution, and then problems with some other uh-uh and in other russian fonts that , unfortunately, even our patriotic organizations use simply out of ignorance well, it won’t be especially, that is, we are working on very, very many divlusification points

that have not yet been covered. thank you for the invitation thank you, mr. volodymyretskyi, the head of the public organization decommunization of ukraine was with us and the water will continue to be with us mr. bohdanov, do you have anything to say about this matter, we also remain with us. i want to say that nothing is taken from anywhere and so that people have an awareness it is important, there should be educational work , there should be people who care about it and they should push it to the highest state level , including laws and all kinds of tough recommendations or penbooks and the like in other words, this is work. it is quite voluminous and it simply needs to be done here. there is nothing else to do. those people who understand what they are doing and who love this country and not some other country thank you thank you for participating in our broadcast. we can join the educational work

as much as we can , at least we talk to people who understand what they care about that you spent this sunday with us. andriy zaichuk and lesya vakulyuk worked in this studio for you, but we also thank you for staying with espresso because anna eva melnyk is next in line and she already has a fresh selection of news ready. congratulations to colleagues in this issue in particular i will tell you about the new package of military aid from the united states of america and the fact that the armed forces of ukraine hit the rashist headquarters in the temporarily occupied berdyansk, stay with us volodymyr zelenskyy did not confirm the capture of bakhmut by the russians, the president's spokesman emphasized the sergeants of the president's forehup asked if