we will all see together good health p valery s- glory to the heroes thank you for finding time for us look er i have this well the general question is we saw the seeding meeting means in china we are seeing a meeting er in japan at the same time can we consider it as the formation of a new bipolar world and what it can look like because it seems to me that despite the great words of the people's republic of china that they do not like the policy of the united states to quarrel and stop trade with the united states or with european markets. they are not going to, that is, this jay the server is the main trading partners of china and it is somehow strange to quarrel with them, on the other hand, in words, china really concentrates around itself, at least visually, we see

different forces, well, which i would say, not about the democratic ones, so let's say so carefully, what do you say why it coincided in time and even in space, if you take the asian continent and japan and china, uh, that's what you have to think about, or did i come up with such a suggestion ? thank you for the question, but you already answered it right here about the formation or desire to formulate such principles or rules that would return us to a de facto bipolar world well, at least china has such a desire and i don't know how it will end, but today it is obvious that the position and interaction of the countries has strengthened. well, they are only considered developed democracies, and they are still in the economy. well, according to various estimates, well, more than 40

% have the fact that we live in a group of seven plus the european union also joins in this, this is the same and the second is where the junior partners of china were and what unites these two is the photo that is being distributed and these two situations are united by what is not where the group is we no longer have russia because they threw it out of there in 2014. no, there is no russia here with china. well, that is, russia is nowhere to be found. and how are these two groups of countries formulated ? will it be a bipolar world? time will tell. i believe that china’s desire is going in this direction. now it is in this direction because it is divided by another of its competitors from the group i don't think they , for example, state in their communiqué that they would like to further develop relations with china, so china should really consider what you said

. going ahead with plans for geopolitics p. valery, but sometimes i have the impression that again it is not, it is not based on knowledge. and this is just such a feeling. i have been engaged in these matters for a long time and read that the world is more convenient if it is possible in politics and diplomacy to use such a word, it is more convenient to live in a bipolar everything is clear to the world who is white, who is red, where, where, where, there are no questions, and such stability comes, then we understand that this is iran , this is eritrea, this is nicaragua, this is venezuela, this is how they live there, what they have. and this is france. i hope

ukraine is a member of nato, the european union, and the united states, there is japan, australia, but this is such a different situation, there are no regular elections, there is no freedom of speech , well, everything is as we want, as ukrainians strive. a war that would have started there in 1977 on the european continent when everyone understood what nato wanted, what the warsaw pact wanted , there are no questions, tell me what you think about it, convenience. i think that in a bipolar world, everyone just lived and there was a period during the cold war, i will not say that it was calm, in fact, we did not see much, there were also warriors, real regional warriors, i will not say that this is the best model, but somehow they got used to it, and after more than 30 years of such a more or less global peace, they think that maybe

we should return to than what was before and it will simplify the situation. yes, when there are 2 centers of influence and all the others, as they called the third world or countries of neutrality, do not join. to be honest, the world that russia wants to impose is a baltipolar world. well, they mean themselves, that only there is china, and russia is somehow there. but there will be no such thing, and that's why this little or little polar world. it is difficult if you take into account all twenty countries, even how different the focus of attention is, this same person even in hiroshima showed that someone there speaks more than india about poor countries about food supply and they say against this background we are ready to do as much as we

can but as much as necessary and as much as we can and so in general our role has therefore er i think that the polar world is actually a unipolar unipolar oil in mind when one country or some kind of association of countries performs such a law enforcement function , that is, someone is a gopnik or a bandit . now this will not happen, so it is difficult to imagine such a fragmented world into pieces , it seems to me that we are going to such a really reincarnation of a bipolar system of some bipolar system. well, which one are you right? noted that ukraine should be on the right side, see mr. zelensky, the president of ukraine is planning exactly

this peace formula in july, first of all, do you consider this to be beneficial , how far is it possible that the role of ukraine and the authority of ukraine allow the ukrainian president to make such planetary coincidences ? yes, and secondly, it is very important whether at this meeting, such questions may arise for the planet earth, for example, the reform of the un may not be carried out, or perhaps there may be some dotted line drawn where we must move as re-reorganize the global security situation so that it becomes truly safe. such planetary issues can arise on na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na

na na ukraine, but there is brazil and india, the republic of indonesia, the republic of korea, vietnam, even the comoro islands, the islands of kumka. well, it’s just that the head of this country is respectively in the african union and in the group of the pacific forum of the pacific islands, that is, there is more indonesia is a serious discussion, it will also be twenty whether it will be possible to ask the same questions, and by the way, questions were asked, but now you see the president of ukraine, he took part in a session that was dedicated not only to ukraine, next to the prime minister of india, that is, these are different questions in including climate change, the issue of energy supply, food supply, that is, the world is more interested in problems than whether we are oriented to end the war and achieve

victory, whether we will be able to hold this summit in july. well, it depends on something sufficient preparatory work for this and whether the leaders of the seven agreed to such a decision to be a direct participant for 500 days and the invasion of this summit. ukraine was the base, they did not leave it much at the end of the war, this is the main thing, as much as possible in july. and with such an intensive agenda today, i think it will be difficult to do it, but if at least it is possible to gather countries with different approaches and to once again convey to them information about our

position, it will also be useful, even if i did not state so pathetically about the summit of the peace formula - if it fails, then there will be certain image losses for the president of ukraine , i hope that his entourage, the team well, they are already ready for what they receive a good representation in july at the summit, the ambassador ah, but about the first part of my question, to what extent is the authority of ukraine now such that it allows these proposals to be made. it is difficult for me to imagine what if ukraine was there in the 13th or in the 12th on the 12th and 13th, in general, where was yanukovych, but if she had been tortured there in the second year , uh. if the hemp jumped out and they said something, then i think everyone would just laugh , as now the authority of ukraine is such that it allows well, maybe not on equal terms, as it once was said by a ukrainian politician: i am not the first, but not the second, we understand that simka is

the first in the country and there or in europe, but we definitely may not be the first, because we have not even read the european union and nato, but we are definitely not second to me so it seems, maybe i'm wrong. what do you say? i think we're really approaching the culmination of ukrainian opportunities, including in diplomacy, because it is the successes at the front and the result that gave the defense of ukraine, the people of ukraine give diplomacy such a position, that is, in addition, there is indeed activity . we must pay tribute to the activity now , at least the number of meetings despite that what about brazil, we have some nuances there, the meeting did not take place, so all the meetings with all the participants take place in europe , first, then in asia, at the league of arab states, this is good intensive work, i want to say from my experience what to prepare everything

it is not so easy to give a result for each one, even physically, it is wonderful to carry out all this. but at the same time, you need to understand that it will not last forever. that is, it will all be real while we have the defense forces and the armed forces of ukraine at the front. that is the real legitimacy and the subjectivity of our president's diplomacy. therefore, now it is also the popularity of ukraine , the ukrainian people, the focus of attention on the war in europe, all this makes it possible to put forward such initiatives, and the european union supports us in many issues. well, i think what do we need in july, to be honest well, let there be a peace formula and a summit well, i would like maximum resources to be concentrated on security issues and security umbrellas , this is vilnius this is an invitation to nato, but it is also july, and this is the more important question for me today about the formula

peace is possible and it is possible to do it later in the fall, well, that’s right. we are thinking about it sitting on the couch, but judging by the statements. well, i would really like you not to miss the moment of the umbrella, that is , the invitation to nato, this is the most important thing, and so ukraine now has subjectivity has it subjectivity is chosen at the front, and it has its price, the huge price of our people who defend how pathetic it sounds, but also the security of europe as a whole on the eastern flank , sir, but one more such question can be the last , for what do you think should be done to they left that subjectivity in the country, it's simple, well, it's not simple, but it's the implementation of fast , high-quality anti-corruption and market reforms , just to become a european tiger, i

used to be japan, south korea, singapore, and so on. and then, if the authority of ukraine, apart from the military will also flow into such an economic-financial-economic sector and then it continues, this is the interest in ukraine and the authority of ukraine for other countries. well, my answer as a diplomat is the same as a citizen. who lives here other than as a diplomat? of course, it's always good. when is your country? i hear when there is a fashion for ukraine, when it is not only war, it can be a fashion for ukraine , when the reforms are carried out, when i jump. i

i don't want to be popular in the coming years or ukraine in such a way that they would fight against us . i would like them to finally leave us alone. and we were able to raise the standard of living of ukrainian citizens and simply give them more opportunities, they deserve it, so i would like us more they didn't talk about how we would sound in the world. and for us to become a member of nato, then a member of the eu, and calmly develop a critical market ukraine, protected from any attempts, this is an influx of orcs from the east, this may not be such an ambitious task, but it seems to me that it is more important than constantly being somewhere on the front lines of geopolitical battles. these battles are already enough for ukraine. to be honest, we want a stable and just world so that we live normally. thank you valery chalyi, diplomat, ambassador of ukraine to the united states from 15 to 19 years and chairman of the board of the ukrainian crisis media center

was with us now before domestic ukrainian events, so the head of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe is proposing ukraine to hold elections . and no one is better than oleksiy koshel, the head of what historian, the committee of voters of ukraine, does not know the situation in our country , election pre-election post, election non-election, anti-election, he knows all this . if it is realistic, i think if everyone is ordered to go to the elections, then everyone will go. yes, if it is organized to open plots, it is not known how from 3d plots in kharkiv , it is not known how to open plots in kherson , it is not known how to open plots in sumy, by the way

that is, there are many, many places for the plot, it cannot be opened, then it is not such an election. quasi-voter is such an election, what a mess, elections are held on crutches and so on and so on , and on the other hand, something is already in the minds of the europeans who say listen, let's go let's not think about dumping everything on the war and let's continue to live a normal life. i don't have a person responsible for the question . i didn't know how to do it. maybe you know. no one has an answer. i reread the original in the translation, there is no insistence that we are forced to hold elections in any case , it is about what would be good if we found a legal mechanism to hold elections , if it were possible to hold elections, but i would not rule out that europeans simply do not they know the details of the legal issues, let's say we have a legal law

. there is article 19 on the legal regime of martial law, which clearly states that there can be no all-ukrainian or local elections, no referendums, no changes to the constitution, no changes to the constitution of the autonomous of the republic of crimea, but on the other hand, any rice says dear well, so what? let's change the law and all the issues are resolved, but we also have article 83 of the constitution, where it is written in black and white that in the event of the expiration of the term of office of the verkhovna rada during the military of the state, the mandate of the parliament continues, that is, in other words, it means the impossibility of holding elections under the conditions of the legal regime of martial law, and here we already see a number of i would say even fantasies, that is, a mass of publications appeared that let's break the martial law well i'm sorry, dear, they didn't just take it and interrupt it, that is, mobilization is tied to it, many military issues are tied to it, and

that's why i think that now we can't talk about any elections, that is , we don't have a qualitatively clear legal mechanism for holding elections. unfortunately, unfortunately, because today, for example, i personally see a very serious need to hold elections in certain self-governing bodies , that is, in certain cities, where the military administration is currently working, and we see that it is not doing its best responsibilities, yes, the military administration is the trenches, the defensive lines, it's a matter of security, but the local government's job of self-government is those moments where they can do much better, it's water, sewerage, road repair , and that's why in some communities we really have a need for this. but i think that now we need to forget about elections under martial law, elections during war

are impossible. but at the same time, at the level of experts , at the level of the central election commission , at the level of people's deputies, it is necessary change, prepare legislation, test various mechanisms, because we are actually facing very, very difficult elections. well, now , according to the most modest estimates, there are 4 million ukrainian citizens abroad, and here again , according to lower estimates, 3.5 million labor migrants. and i have come across other figures, the total figure is about 8 million and these people will not actually be able to vote because there are not enough polling stations in our country, and until february 24 , no more than 5% of ukrainian citizens voted abroad . therefore, now i need to be convinced to test the mechanisms of voting by regular mail without any experiments

with electronic voting. we must understand the risks. we must think about how to transfer such a database as the state voter register to the authorities. this is extremely important and these are actually the two main tasks before us. all of you, oleksiy e- wait here is a very important moment , you said 4 million 3.5 but i understand that this is not legislative, but some kind of i would say customary law, if you take it in the world, it exists. for example, the world allows, well, conditionally. yes, what they take uh, they can't take it, they can't physically take part in the voting there, 20% of the population, and then the world still says, well, that 's in principle, well, okay, well, no, 20 can't , but we'll take it, maybe we can, in principle, form authorities, or there 10%

, or 20 or a quarter, why am i asking this question, it was the parliamentary and presidential elections in turkey and there . and how is it ? there is no vote for do- do in the house. on on on these on e-e just people and not disabled people wanted to vote and they can't say come to me because i don't have legs, i won't come well, then you won't come, stay at home, well, then your vote won't count, or come physically yourself, that is , there are various such options in the world, how many people say in the world well, okay, we say what if a quarter of ukrainians cannot physically take part in the voting, we recognize the elections that took place anyway, we recognize the election results, we admit ukraine to the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, and so on.

the important question you raised is because after the war we are not just waiting for elections, but we are waiting for an exam because the event must give an assessment that fair, transparent and open democratic elections were held in ukraine in accordance with democratic standards and it is important for us that this is not just an evaluation of the elections for us it is important that this will be an assessment of ukraine's ability to implement changes, this is an assessment of steps towards the european community, an assessment of the implementation of reforms. therefore, it is important for us that these elections be flawless, and now, well, that is not the question here how many will come to the polling stations, there may be a turnout of 40, it may be in the 80s in turkey or even more. the question is that the elections met the standards and therefore for us. it is important that no one points out in ukraine that there are five or more million ukrainians abroad were able to vote because it is our business whether we give such an opportunity or

not because what we say in germany in order to vote is our citizen gets on the train and goes kilometers away there to kurn or to berlin i am sorry it is money it is time it is necessary to create mechanisms for voting that were convenient for our citizens, and therefore this will be a very big test, these elections will be a very big test well, okay, how does it feel that ukraine has the opportunity to pass this test ? the election commission of the verkhovna rada, the presidential administration, the cabinet of ministers, that's about how we are, you say, and to go 300 km in cologne, for the reserved amount of money, we transfer them to deutschebana and deutsche band ok, we will understand this, another fifth, tenth, that is, this understanding exists among

the ukrainian authorities, er, these are the problems that i am talking about, they are solved quickly . to the legislation, we are testing the mechanism and we are voting . that is, it is important for us to show that ukraine did everything possible so that our citizens took part in the vote. problems with the state voter register. i am convinced. about three months the central election commission will cover up the holes. there will be no problems, but there is also a question here. we need an honest conversation among politicians, an honest discussion, for that, what format will we choose for the election system? well , remember every election we have a discussion and the ruling teams usually do experiments with the electoral system for ourselves and

now it is important for us that this discussion is not a subculture, because there is, for example, i already see that the format of a one hundred percent proportional system with closed lists is being prepared, we will not to say it is good or bad. i can already see that a bill has been registered under this system, but the question is that it should not happen behind the wheel, it should be an open , open public discussion, and i think that ukrainians and our western partners will accept it if we say about it that we need to change the electoral system, we need to make some or other changes, everything should be done absolutely absolutely, but the question we did not explain to the audience and we understand that they are the smartest in the world but if we were to say what proportional system and what are closed lists in order to start a discussion on this matter, it is definitely necessary to tell citizens that this is called a proportional system and this is called closed lists there are supporters and

opponents let's argue but explain to the audience because they are knew what a proportional system is, what closed lists are, and we have too many changes with electoral systems, we simply forget, that is , a proportional system with closed lists , the party forms lists, we go to elections we vote exclusively for political parties , the more votes they received, the more deputies from this part of the list will enter the parliament, a huge plus of the system is that it is actually impossible to buy votes, votes, we throw away this eternal problem with buying votes, the minus of the system is that it drags suitcases through the eyes of the candidate and they buy passing places in the lists, but this issue can also be settled. there are many different ways to settle it. it is not the best system now, but obviously based

on the post-war realities, it is obvious to us we will have to return to this system with closed lists, but we don't know. that is, we don't see anyone at all on all closed lists, or maybe we can see my leader, or maybe we can see the first three or the first five, well, that is, to be able to on the tips fingers to feel that we know that it is yulia tymoshenko, but she has and and the popularity there is about so many percent and we can imagine how it will go. and if we simply say the party is the homeland, everyone may have forgotten during the war who poroshenko is well, that's tymoshenko, only zelenskyi, zaluzhnye is among us. the leaders in the majority say, without exception, we will see all the surnames , we will be able to analyze them, but here the question is how many ukrainian voters will try to analyze, i.e. whether to work under the influence of emotions, i will vote because these young people or these old people are experienced. and

this is a beautiful woman and this one the man is joking , well, with such a vote, of course , no one will analyze it, but in these lists, actually , you can see anyone by last name, and you can do analysis by last name and determine your choice, but once again i want to emphasize that we need to develop changes right now, come to a consensus on the electoral system, solve key problems , so that, well, i have just been to many elections in post-war countries. i would not like that in ukraine these very simplified primitive groups of procedures were carried out when, say, voters put a stamp on their hand saying that they already voted twice and many other things oleksandr oleksiyu well , first of all, i would say that if that politician made a nice joke about the same thing, i would definitely be a deputy

won the election, i would start joking right now, but now what do you feel, the trend that began in the 19th year, when ukrainian society actually threw out old politicians, whose surnames i already have, and elected a completely inexperienced new , non-politicized, non-political force and servants of the people, continues of the president continues, that is, old politicians are leaving or, on the contrary, they are recruiting, or will we see the strength of the verkhovna rada in alignment in the form of military goals , old politicians are always convinced that they are eternal, that they will be voted for, that the people will trust no, we will actually repeat the year 2014, when people will trust the new parliament , new politicians, new categories of politicians, and i am convinced that in the new parliament at least half will be people who came with experience