[000:00:00;00] p vitaly, they don’t care anyway, the problem is that we need to distance ourselves from them and stop living in the hope that they will become wiser, that they will suddenly think that ukraine is not russia, they will not be at least in the near future in the generation of people and the more people they have there will die in the war, this hatred will be all the more obvious. this is the desire for revenge . so let's think exclusively about how to convince the west to make ukraine part of the west, part of nato, part of the european union, and not think about how to convince the russians to stop eat meat and start eating broccoli broccoli, i don't know if it's about nato and what kind of statement was made by henrik kessinger, ex-secretary of state of the usa . however, i honestly did not understand it. i hope you will explain what he meant , he said that the usa should accept

ukraine to nato, and it is even beneficial for russia, because in this way ukraine will not be able to independently make decisions regarding territorial claims. they perceive us. so we cannot unilaterally carry out any military actions. he speaks as a russian. you are afraid that russia and ukraine will attack you. he is talking about the territory . he is talking about the absolute. to save sevastopol is all uh, to receive reasoning, but he is talking about another thing , you russians say that ukraine is aggressive, that it threatens you, that it is such a terrible nazi creature, well, we already

we agree, we will take her to nato so that she herself could never attack you , this is that, and there is a diploma, that is diplomacy, and why are they always telling jokes about which son lives, you know about kissinger, farmers and the british queen, well, there is something famous, but not good, like kissinger convinced a farmer to let his son marry the british queen , gave arguments, the farmer refused, then finally agreed, and then he said fine. there are such sketches of energy, they are unquestionable demand, those sengers, they are about images of sanja, this is an image of kissinger, so cynical, who simply laughs at the russians, says ukraine will soon destroy you, horror and we also do not want anyone to destroy you, let's go, we will protect you, we are ready, we love you very much we will protect you, we will take it, we will take it on a date and we promise you that it will not destroy you, sleep

peacefully, dear russians, so that you can say if you were putin, the kin agent will destroy the old shit well, that's all you told him putin because putin in other eh details eh he usually does not admit that he wants to destroy ours what kissinger says about the borders , where they will be, that russia can keep it, it cannot keep it eh, these are the opinions of a political expert. one should not forget that he is not a military analyst at all, he is a political expert with vast experience , and one more thing must be understood is that what he says to a certain extent reflects the position of certain circles in the united states, he does not have henry kissinger as units, there are collectivists who are almost 100

almost as many years as the american post-war diplomacy and this post-war diplomacy, it comes to the conclusion that ukraine will still have to be accepted into nato or there is no other option to secure the situation in the region, this is the most important conclusion , the issue of borders depends on the armed forces of ukraine, you understand, we don’t have either to be naive, if the armed forces of ukraine liberate our territory from the enemy, this does not mean that tomorrow oxygen will come to us and say, let's give russia something that belongs to it sevastopol will not mean only how much we can actually liberate. well, i thought that at the moment when we have brothers to nato, what territory will we have under our actual control, let's say, we will wait for this expected offensive that many says the woman and in which we are all waiting and when this offensive is over and we can talk about the future that in the future there will be a new russian counteroffensive is it possible i

doubt it again i'm not a military expert and i'm not even budanov luckily so i'm not ready for it make such predictions because i believe that the head of intelligence has much more information than you and i. when he says there that russia has no way to advance, i can do the same at the moment. so, will there be preparations for a new offensive of ukraine then, that is, there are always several options after each military decision, a political decision, preparation for a new military decision, or this note and finding both sides in a state where they cannot continue to do anything, this is also a possible version of the situation, but what it will be is impossible now to predict because you don't understand it, many people treat this horror like a football match, it's not a football match , people die every day, people are relatives

, children, men. at the beginning of the program, we talked to you that our colleague olena chernenko's son died today under a firecracker. we we want to express it with all our sincerity on our behalf, on behalf of all our colleagues, but we only know about elena because we work with her, we know about her son, but how many people we don't know lose every day you understand your relatives every day because of this myts, that's why it's not football and you have to clearly realize that this is a real cruel and terrible war and the people who are waging this war on the russian side are enjoying the number of victims because that's exactly what they need the more people will perish. all the more, they have the opportunity, if not to conquer

ukraine , at least to turn it into a marginal country that will never be some kind of antithesis in civilization, which is also important. you need to sit on the sofas and say well, when there is a counteroffensive, it is very easy to sit and think about this topic, but it is very difficult for the defenders to win back every millimeter of our land with their lives and health , so of course we wish them success and support, but we do not forget, by the way, the espresso tv channel announced a new collection of uah 1 million. go to our website, there is a link to the bank, all the details, please add this is our war with you and we must win together. with an expert, but i would also like to hear your opinion. here is this new military alliance that beijing has proposed to kazakhstan. it is very interesting

because russia is not included in it. however , how are they going to defend themselves from whom, let's say, kazakhstan is worried that they may become the next victim after ukraine . they know they simply at the same time do not know how to resist this because they are separated from the west by russia and most importantly that they have a regime of a post-soviet nature, that is, this regime is afraid of an attempt from it is not necessarily a war with russia in any form, they were already in kazakhstan in january and kaya himself invited, but listen, you can come and not, er, leave. i want to remind you that soviet troops were also invited to afghanistan by the head of the revolutionary council of afghanistan, hati zolamin how is it different from convenient tokaiwa, i would like to know , well, they came, killed him and left. so this invitation is such a thing, i think about something else, but in

principle, they really need to, in order to, uh, they are sure of the balance of a certain one , to get support more some kind of power, but not measures because, firstly, the west will not come to their aid so easily here, and secondly, because the west will demand from them what they do not want, that is, political, economic , real reforms, they are not ready for them, here are all these five presidents, perhaps four, because kyrgyzstan is a more complex political organism, but the president of kazakhstan , the president of tajikistan, the president of uzbekistan , and even more so the president of turkmenistan, i just don't know what we should do with our own father, not what they should do with their own people they are not ready for reforms, but china does not demand political reforms from them, you understand, china just demands from them mutual allies and this summit, moreover, it is interesting that these lands were not just held by siam, this is the ancient

imperial capital, this is the silk road and it is so nice by and large, here i will show you a caricature from the chinese press. you see this is the chinese hand. central asia is against the background of our war, and here the american eagle is flying over this . you can even try and not know how to show the audience this caricature. that's what it says. about how the chinese perceive this meeting as an outstretched hand as an alternative to the concern of the central asian countries about their future, and therefore, of course, a lot of this happened there, first of all, these calls already reminded me of this summit for the 70th anniversary of the president of kazakhstan on

his birthday, on his birthday, they met otse well, it’s not easy , it’s easy, it doesn’t happen like that, and i went to moscow on may 9 , but i already celebrated my birthday with putin. true, it was logical that the president of kazakhstan celebrated his birthday in it is true that russia is the main union of countries as a former neighbor of the soviet union, and it went in the opposite direction. this already says something about military cooperation with kazakhstan and uzbekistan , which are key countries in the region. then it is important that china can guarantee a certain stability of tajikistan, which is -he is in a difficult situation due to the fact that he has a real conflict with the taliban government in afghanistan and the momolirah mon is also very seriously afraid of the destabilization of his

regime, what is china doing in front of this so that show him the small account that china can do everything. the minister of foreign affairs of china , qingyang flies and arrives there . by no one, including the regime's china, but they are talking, taking pictures in three , it was possible. yes, that is, it shows the chinese that he has an influence even on this situation for the president rahman - this is very important because he sees that not only russia can talk with the taliban, and it is not known that how is it that one wants to talk for everyone but also the chinese is also a very important moment and there are many such moments and

the most important thing is the very demonstration of the format because it was possible i would like to know something there in 1991, it seems, when the soviet union collapsed, there was an idea to create an organization of confidence-building measures between the former soviet republics and china, it is now the shanghai cooperation organization outgrew these frameworks, there were russia, five central asian countries and china , this is the format, now we see exactly the same format , only putin was not invited for some reason, although a large part of the territory of the russian federation is in asia, not because he is a loser, now because china wants to show that he the leader of the region. by the way, these same trends have already started . do you remember that we discussed samarkand , too, that in essence, when putin came to this meeting of the shanghai cooperation organization to show that he is not in isolation, what can i say? can he be in the club of other leaders suddenly he felt himself there and it was visible in the entire protocol i am just a former leader

of the soviet republic here is rahman there are er-e zabarovi there is putin and there are these calls the tsar of the mountain to whom all oh and there is isidzempin by the way narena modi, who today met with volodymyr zelenskyi in e-e karasim, but this is also an important meeting, they were the main players there, and putin was no longer there, and i think that when his delegation looked at all these calls, they decided why there at all he is needed, let him sit at home and in celebrates may 9 with a holiday, here is the whole story. and how does siedenpin manage to convince these regions, in particular, and tokayev directly, that china can protect them all from russia, but at the same time , china cooperates so fruitfully with russia even before a full- scale invasion. it does not mean to fight

, it means to make it clear that relations can deteriorate in case of some unforeseen events and the chinese always did by the way once this zenfin came to astana after the pandemic and kylo said there that china will guarantee the territorial integrity of the territories of kazakhstan before this. samarkand itself was not just words . can risk at least relations with china because relations with india are like that, you understand, they are absolutely not guaranteed india has never been guaranteed at all, there is such a government and it is with the soviet union and with russia then good incredible, then it changes to the sender or something else. and suddenly india turns out to be ready for a much more fruitful cooperation. this is an event on rendra

fashion. he is now holding not just bilateral meetings in hiroshima, and he did not just come for the meetings themselves. there is this four- pacific format in which india participates together. with the united states and australia, and this is a format of military cooperation, and not only economic and political. china does not want to take such a format, but india does . moreover, i am absolutely sure that it is in national interests of india because india has difficult relations with china india is afraid of china's increasing influence on the pacific coast india does not want china to control maritime space and india has territorial disputes with china and the closer russia gets to china, the more this raises serious suspicions in india, which means that india is, of course, a country that buys russian oil, which can be used as a laundry for russian oil. but at the same time, it is by no means an obvious union, and china

is an obvious union because it is the idea of ​​common values ​​is still the same outfit at work today the prime minister of india, but he is the leader of a country with an electoral democracy, he may lose the election, he may not show that he is a strong leader and can gain power for a long time, but he always defends that in the state of karnataka, one of the leading windy states, the people's party will not yield and it lost to the english national congress. well , nothing happened, the earthquake turkey , which we talked about, we are the president of such things putin, but this electoral democracy, erdogan can win, but he does not control all the largest cities in turkey. neither istanbul nor anna kare, nor the stock market. there is nothing there. no. he lost local elections everywhere and there are opposition mayors. well, that’s the same. imagine this

in china or russia. what does the mayor of moscow say in general against this mysterious war and what putin’s moscow is talking about, it’s just a disaster, it’s the end of the regime, the truth is just coming and here we will not imprison those who are against the war in our city, but in turkey very similar things happen in india too, and in which state such a party is in power and the leaders of this party can be against the government of india , it means that this is not the right level of the union, the level of the union arises when there is not even a hint of electoral democracy, you understand modi evdogan, strong leaders in countries with complex electoral democracies, not western ones , but these are democracies. russia is an authoritarian country, and therefore putin can

think. with such an e-e rahmon steamed and so on well, now it is clear that they will run away volodymyr volodymyrovych sorry we are here unions with china please yourself if you want to make some kind of international visit, please do so please yakutska and this is the russian federation well , the summer started a big country oh big, the largest territory in the world, noobitaite, you are scratching your head, well, there are also african countries, you know, but this is also the case, you see that the president of south africa wants to visit, i want to come here and why? because this is an electoral democracy, again, this after all, allies, if your ally is the president of a country that is due to hold elections, then this is not an ally with whom you would like to do business, and all these countries, of course, in the event of a quarrel between russia and china, unequivocally support china, that is, ira remains

, even for north korea, because if north korea has to choose between russia and china, it's not like between mother and father. it 's a choice between a real state, which is aimed at, and a state that can simply help, so if the world ding ping tells putin that we're sorry, you you must respect the sovereignty of our countries that are friendly with you, the more you are in the union with them, we are in the union with them, then this is muscovites, believe me . and this meeting is about fashion. they actually spoke. it is possible to somehow shift india's position to a more neutral one regarding war. i think that a neutral position regarding war is in vogue because he was one of the first world leaders who clearly told putin in public that war in the 21st century is not acceptable. and by the way, this also characterizes him, he is a sharp person

, the whole of india knows this. he behaves well, his whole life is what you want , he says that to anyone, he says that when he was not the prime minister and when he simply told putin to his face , putin turned pale there. but he there is another problem he has a problem because he needs the indian economy and he as a person who in one way or another wants to show his fellow citizens that they live better to feed such an abyss of people this is the country with the largest population in the world now he cheap oil is needed, if he didn't need russian energy, russian energy resources, he wouldn't support it, he would absolutely have it and breathe, and that's why he can meet with zelensky. he says that we will do everything we can, that is, that we will convince russia, but to the extent that he can physically replace russian oil auto how

much more expensive there at once 2-3 are no longer his questions , this is the principle of the question of the united states, if they also have problems because they worsened relations with saudi arabia, if you are swamped, the united states was capable, say to provide the same india with the purchase of oil at preferential prices, which could be compared with the valuable ones for which it is forced, unwilling, forced to sell oil to russia, then, in principle , india is energy dependent on russia, plus this effect is correct for european countries. the path taken by the countries of western europe, which believed that they could buy cheap energy from russia and nothing would happen, they already understood what would happen, but they have the possibility of replacing cheap energy sources with expensive ones without such, i said a critical decline

in the economy and the social standard of living of the population, and we understand that there are not many of them in others, and the main thing is that putin cannot blackmail in an elegant fashion now, i can’t say i won’t sell you oil, well, the biggest one , right? to wash some of their own rogozin there, already others are under sanctions. we ca n’t, well, that is, india and china remain as big markets, some venezuela sold oil to india better than russia, but that’s what needs to be done work do you understand this volume and if we say what we hope that the economy of india should develop we all want it because the indian economy is again the economy of electoral democracy should become a good alternative to the chinese economy then you are not we always have to ask ourselves where to get oil for the development of such an economy well, that's why it's like that. i'd say it's like that. difficult

problems that need to be solved. but they weren't solved in one day. in any case, when a fashionable outfit meets zelensky, it's the signal is exactly the kind of powerful signal that was when he told putin that the war should be ended and when he canceled it. by the way , russia itself. india he was alive. he wasn’t there last year. she said that he didn’t want to. well, that’s also a signal . that is, i don’t think that this is a change of position. i believe that this is simply a combination of political assessment and economic assessment regarding saudi arabia . i also wanted to ask you again. you have already mentioned that they had their own internal interests there, why invite zelenskyi. however, it is interesting what we brought from there because somehow this is the topic you know, the pose was a public space, even on the president's website they very publicly said that they talked to the prince, who is also the prime minister, and told him about

the security situation of prince muhammed, this is a vivid example of a non-public politician, his actions are not right it is simply traced in a momentary dimension, but then it becomes absolutely clear why he needed all this . i think that we will meet again from this situation . first, the prince obviously wants to be the leader of the arab world, and he is trying to understand how he can also use the weakening of russia, including energy, to strengthen the energy positions of saudi arabia, they always do this, of course, in principle, good personal relations with vladimir putin, but people who generally believe that they can have good personal relations with representatives of the saudi family, they very often disappointed everything this is just a vivid example of such family management that takes care of its own interests and , by and large, the interests of the kingdom of saudi arabia coincide, as a rule, with

the interests of this family, because this whole such a state is simply arranged, it is a theocracy by and large, it is simply not religious, but it is not a religion , by and large, the king preserves the shrines of mecca and medina, it is also essentially a theocracy, also because his power is based on symbols, the main symbols of islam and here i think there was a check, firstly, to what extent is zelenskyy ready to recognize his role as such a player who can fly, secondly, it is to show the arab world that it is possible to expand the horizons of political influence, because arab countries, as a rule are very careful about the possibility of going beyond the agenda of liberal arab states, not always clusters are focused on the owners' problems, but there is this ukrainian-russian problem, it is such a different problem of relations with russia as with oil exporters , which surrenders its positions from which they limit

the purchase of oil from western countries and how we should act here. that is, this is such a check, so far it is possible to show volodymyr zelenskyi , this is a club of influential people, let us not doubt that there are very influential people there , the monarch of bahrain, the monarch of qatar, the monk of kuwait this is all the interhetics of the world. well, with the exception of russia, iran and venezuela. well, this club is real and closed. by the way, it is also closed by this arab unity , which is also a very difficult contradiction. you see that the prince invited basharas. they were not delighted. the king of morocco was not there, but with on the other hand, morocco supplies us with weapons and active members of rammstein so and so . there may be completely different positions. there are arab countries that adhere to absolutely i would say such civilization-civilizational positions in this conflict without any e-e on half a dozen countries are trying to be neutral, i say, and i think that

the very appearance of volodymyr zelenskyi is teaching on this neutral country and could have an impact , you know why. because they did not see that the president of ukraine received an invitation from the crown prince of saudi arabia and countries that are oriented towards energy you understand it's not just that simple, i'm saying prince muhammad he doesn't do anything just like that he hasn't invited putin, well, i wonder what will come of this, in fact , we'll watch the future decisions and actions of these countries of jewish arabia and i also i propose to talk about georgia, because it landed yesterday. if i’m not mistaken, the first flight was from russia in tbilisi, and mass protests began again, and the president of georgia , zarabishvili, says that this airline should be blocked, but it’s interesting that it doesn’t have such a significant role at all . everything is decided by the parliament and it turns out that

in such a deadlock situation georgians themselves cannot do anything against it. i think that in any case georgian society must sooner or later draw electoral conclusions from this situation and georgian politicians are also for the same reason, because the mood of the society itself is of great importance here, agree that we saw vladimir putin's decision, but it was not georgia that canceled the direct connection with russia , but russia with georgia. of course, in this situation, when the russian federation is under international sanctions and the aviation companies were the first to be hit by these sanctions, it is this readiness of georgia to agree with putin's decision, it is not very it looks nice, but still. i want to remind you that after the 2008 war, georgians believed that they could have contact with

russian business, that you could not have direct air connections with moscow, that they could have russian tourists, that they could have a visa-free regime for russians, i always said even then i said and i will say now that this was the wrong approach. if we go this way, we will also be in a dead end. visas for citizens of the russian federation were canceled by mikhail saakashvili. it was a wrong decision because if you were attacked by a country with which you canceled diplomatic relations and who once again after your e-e those citizens of yours who lived on the territory of the southern session and the only thing to blame was that they were ethnic georgians, you simply kicked them out of their homes, it is unlikely that you should welcome the citizens of this country to your home at least with a tourist the goal is if a person with a political goal who is against this war and who speaks in support of georgia wants to come to you again. well, let her get a visa and come