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[000:00:00;00] they are not well-known, in principle, there will be nothing new about them here , not in relation to georgia, in relation to georgia. maybe they will be new, but in general, in the russian police, well , the best medicine today against such criminals is, first of all, within georgia, this is an active community. on e-e mne eto victory of the armed forces of ukraine, god grant that it should be so, gela, look, i also mentioned that the president of georgia can pardon such a person, but the head of the local georgian television and radio company did not do this , and here i cannot ask mykhailo saakashvili she also turns out that she can pardon or but there is simply no court verdict for that reason. therefore, so far, pardon is impossible , but after the sentence, the fate of the citizen of ukraine saakashvili will depend on her, and in your
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opinion, at night, the current ukrainian authorities are doing enough to release or extradite the transfer in ukraine, a citizen of ukraine who is in an extremely unsatisfactory physical condition, let's say so at least, or at the time of death . his entourage say, first of all, saakashvili has already been convicted in several cases, he has six or all criminal cases against him more now they will continue to pull, but for the rest, what can you pardon him? it would be a very good political effect, secondly, it only concerns the ukrainian authorities, from almost the first day of the arrest of saakashvili. время поверины украины и э-эх in georgia andrey kasyanov э-э shared his services and left
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to continue his service already in kiev . wax and i knew well, not all of them, of course, since the 90s, recently, here are the ones that were already after the zero years, i knew almost all of the ukrainians in georgia, a-a better by the word ukraine in georgia, and i think that’s why it’s not my naked me i think it was unfair. that's how it was said that we are in marakoi in georgia, the last one works nothing, then let's see how it worked , and that's why i'm sending him for that. thanks to andrey and igor separately. say that this is the beginning of it
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year, president zelenskyi was fully involved in the process of appeasement of mykhailo saakashvili, and here i made a mistake in one of my conversations with a vegan. i said that i hoped that president zelenskyi would join in . in fact, i'm saying once again, in fact, now the release of the third president of georgia depends only on one country, the whole of us , the states, and that, er, personally, it is possible from a person who, at last, did not call saakashvili his friend, i say well, god forbid that er, the american state department and the president may have joined in the release of this person, because what is happening now with his birthday is very similar to torture, torture is prohibited by all international conventions in the world for any crimes, even if a person committed them, and there is still a question indeed, eva sad - it was included in us , we talked about the issue of georgia, as well as
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the restoration of russia's visa-free travel from georgia , the restoration of air traffic in the event of an internal situation in the country, which we also call our brotherhood. well, in ukrainian networks there is already such a new neo-phraseology spreading, the georgian syndrome, that is, before it was just polish and now georgian . well, i don’t know how ethical it is to talk about such things, but does anyone know the stockholm syndrome, it is when people who are taken hostage by terrorists begin to feel sympathy to those who captured them, i.e. to the terrorists, well, here is a parallel that georgians some of them are beginning to feel , perhaps for certain reasons, sympathy for russia, the government , the government, the georgian government, or for in ukraine there financial preferences money signs do it what
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are we going to do next, the situation is actually quite comical because in the russian federation, in addition to the khan, it is the prosecutor of the international criminal court who actually issued the arrest warrant for putin and lviv of silovoy interesting. the story is made up with us on the link oleksandr pavlichenko, executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights p. oleksandr, congratulations, glory to ukraine, a really interesting situation, he added that in addition to maham, the russians announced three more wanted the judges of the international criminal court who decided on the warrant finally and actually we now have such a certain legal conflict between the national legislation and the international body established by the united nations that should make decisions about high-ranking officials and actually
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what he and i did and er, now we er will see how, for example , the same interpol will react in response to the request of the russian side. they have to submit this factually formulated request for arrest there and i i think that this will be, so to speak, a moot point in the dispute, or should i say so? power is higher and, well, in my opinion, this is an interesting precedent, which simply shows the level of the legal legal system of russia, and their understanding, so to speak, of its importance. and the advantages of their right in the system of international law, that is, they set their system according to the system
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of international law . is the system of international law has priority, that is, here we are talking about some such things that are completely understandable , and it is actually not even about a legal decision, but about a political decision made by russia. but i think that for this political decision there should also be responsibility , it seems that they are checking this system . they are trying to destroy the system of international law in general and no system of responsibility for any crimes . let's break it and then let's see how they will react to it. well, these are barbaric
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the act of breaking in order to avoid responsibility doesn't seem so to you, i don't think that it's just about russia , uh, being one of the elements, let me remind you that russia is a subject of uh, international law, she uh, being a subject of international law rights are subject to certain regulation and the answer to the rules of this system, when we talk, for example, about the presence of russia in the system of the european court of human rights, let me remind you that russia did not comply with the decision of the european court in the case yukos lazarev v. russia, a fine of more than a billion dollars for that yukos company appropriated by er khodorkovsky and er here we are talking about the fact that russia is currently neglecting these so to speak basic er rules of staying in the civilized world well, but
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then it must be pointed out that er is not civilized the state is not a city of civilized relations. that is, it is a state. well, like north korea , which has its own rules, it is not amenable to regulation, that is , russia is actually following the same path, but it is necessary to indicate its place and, for example, such a state has no place at all in the un security council this is at least, that is, there will be a general question about the presence of uncivilized partners in the civilized world, and i don't think so, but let's say, because it was not mentioned above that in russia, in general, national legislation is higher than international legislation and the entire system of international law is correct, let's talk about it er, this is actually established at the level of functioning of the constitutional court , the constitutional court is empowered to decide which legal er norms can be accepted
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, i.e. they select filtering according to the national legislation, we accept convenient norms, we do not accept inconvenient ones, that is, as my former students said, the good, we love the bad, no , that is , in fact, it is clear that this is not a system of law, it is actually a system of manipulation, and accordingly, how will i be needed after the change of power and the victory in this war against russia actually raises the question of why there are no safeguards at the legal level of alexander , another lunar event could potentially happen , at least information about it is slowly emerging, it is not some kind of super public, but her name is virginia gamba, the special representative of the un, she is a special representative for children, during an official trip to moscow, she was able to meet with the commissioner of the russian federation for
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children's rights maria i lviva belova, who is accused of war crimes due to the deportation of ukrainian children, human rights watch has already criticized this is the moment, if he really had a place to be, so far , the assistant of the un spokesperson did not confirm the fact of the meeting, but notes that all the details of the trip will be in the report of the un security council hm, please tell me the un special representative for children's affairs is meeting with er, well, in russian , belova, it's me, it's what, if it happened, if it was us, how did we qualify it? today there is a question of correcting the situation with deported ukrainian children, and as they say, you can even make a deal with the devil in
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order to return these children, maybe this is one of the options for conducting negotiations , i would rather use the third option here which could act as such a humanitarian, let's say, platform for conducting negotiations not on a neutral platform and not use, say, representatives of the united nations organization although they are positioned as a neutral party , a third party not involved in the conflict and actually, let's talk about what it is it is possible that there is some wrong use of the mandate and this is conducting some kind of negotiations to justify it. i also would not become more difficult.
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have stopped their work on the territory of the russian federation and they conduct diplomatic contacts and negotiations, and therefore it is included in the mandate of working with the russian side of another official person on the territory and who was responsible for this issue, except for lviv billov, does not exist, so either do nothing or enter into some negotiations perhaps even in some categorical ultimatum plan, er, it may well be because, as for me, in terms of diplomatic work - it may be justified by another situation that really these two persons and putin and lviv bilov they have the status of those suspected of having committed a war crime is actually an arrest warrant and this is already such a serious application to prove their status and the investigation
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is taking place in the same case and even the very fact that they finally have this warrant in fact it imposes restrictions and restrictions on them both regarding their personal movement outside the borders of russia and restrictions on the use of their status in negotiations at the diplomatic level of the plan oleksandr pavlichenko was in direct contact with the executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union of human rights thank you for your participation and anatoly babinsky is joining us, a teacher of the ukrainian catholic university , an employee of the institute of church history, a doctor of theology, we welcome you good morning greetings p anatoly well, on the eve of sunday, may 21, pope francis called not to get used to conflicts and violence, and to remain close to the ukrainian people, further quotes, please, we do not get used to conflicts and violence, we are not destined for war, i ask you, and in the future
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, we show closeness to the many suffering the pontiff said to the ukrainian people please translate from er, well, from the language of theology or the conspiracy of diplomacy if you want into human language, what did the pope say, please, such words are heard every sunday since february 24, er, the pope is trying to attract attention again and again the world to the events in ukraine, and in principle this is not just a case unique to ukraine. he always talks about all conflicts, any wars that concern a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-dated had been affected by different peoples in the world, that is, there is no such thing that is too special here worth it would be nice to comment, especially in the ukrainian context, this is absolutely the usual rhetoric of the vatican regarding military actions in the world
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. well, then let's comment on another event, this is the appointment of an italian cardinal at the head of the peacekeeping mission in ukraine , what does it mean. about the peacekeeping mission of the vatican, no mandates have been given or has anything changed recently , what will be the powers of this italian cardinal and what is the purpose of his activity that he will do goes please this is really such a whole detective story with this mission yes with the first heard on the way from budapest after the visit of francis himself to hungary that such a mission is ongoing so far it is not public at the time he said yes and when it will become public in time, and the russian and ukrainian sides denied that they knew such things, but from my personal sources i know that the ukrainian and
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russian sides actually knew, but why there was such a reaction, i rather have here it is difficult to say so, after that there was a visit by president zelensky, where he is quite at ease. in such a sharp way, you can even say that he rejected the possibility of the vatican itself mediating in negotiations with russia. you can't answer the pope sharply, it seems to me that here rather zelensky meant that it is simply impossible to talk with russia, and therefore, in principle, such mediation makes no sense regarding the appointment of cardinal zubi. this appointment has also been discussed for a long time, as soon as it became clear that such a mission is indeed being planned somewhere. it is worth pointing out one more important thing. last week
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, cardinal peter parolin a-a hmm changed something , even the rhetoric of the vatican, so he said that it is time to seek peace and to seek peace together with ukraine, which is very important was the phrase that one cannot turn a blind eye to how the country is suffering and that it is indeed a victim of aggression , yes and there. this was a much clearer statement than we heard before, let's say. of the secretary of state, it is very important, cardinal zupi. what is his mission? as far as i'm concerned, something is happening right now, like china tried to do, to collect the opinions of different parties. i don't think he's going with a mandate or a ready-made proposal, but rather he's going to listen yes, the ukrainian side, and i think that there is nothing negative in this, but we know that such an idea was discussed that there is only one
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proposal that can be put forward in ukraine and russia. at this stage, it is an immediate ceasefire, but as far as i understand, the president zelensky in rome and the vatican made it clear that this will not happen, and now karnal zupi will come to ukraine. i think i will listen to the ukrainian side and also something about the fact that the cardinal is an archbishop. to go to moscow, but at the moment he denied in general that he is involved in this whole story, and we will also see if some envoy will also go to russia. moscow, if after all, the vatican will send a special representative and there for the same question, who could it be, and well, we understand how important the point of personal connections is here, some representatives
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, for example, of the russian orthodox church , have such connections with individual representatives of the vatican yes, i actually already mentioned cardinal claudio gugerotti, who has very wide contacts in the world, can now be considered in this context, in your opinion, for now , only his candidacy sounded. but again, even in the italian press, eh criminatika about the fact that he is too pro-russian a-a so, will it suit ukraine at all if he is the negotiator uh-uh, that 's all you know, i'm saying for now that i literally this morning reread the reactions of the local italian press to all these things, cardinal zubka also has quite wide contacts with the russian environment , as he is connected with the community of st. egidius. but this group currently takes a very specific position regarding the war in ukraine
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, in particular, their leader andre riccardi they use, let's say so extremely, such pacifist rhetoric, that is, that for example, they even hint that the supply of weapons to ukraine only prolongs the conflict, uh. the head of this conference is the bishop of italy. he , perhaps, not affirmatively, but in a questioning manner, he only said, as if there are limits for self-defense , that is, he says that yes, we understand that ukraine is defending itself, but there are some limits when it is already dragging out the conflict. therefore, we will have to carefully watch what he will say both during the visit and after, but for some reason i am convinced that in ukraine he
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will perhaps even more. it is clear exactly the nature of this conflict. they don't fully understand the nature of war and history, and in general the goals that russia sets for itself, and they think that somewhere it is possible to build such a symmetrical line to sit down at the table and, you know , lay it out in such a way that this will be yours, this will be ours, and we will meet peacefully a-a i for example, calm. i think that in ukraine they will convey our position to him and generally explain the nature of the war itself. we spoke today with mr. dudukalov, who represented berdyansk and told about the situation there. for me, berdyansk is becoming the best illustration of the fact that the russian federation does not leave anything to chance both in the occupied territories and in our own country in the development of zadrypin in general , we have greek-catholic
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ukrainian greek-catholic priests who are in captivity, we have protestant pastors who are in captivity . i am talking only about berdyansk because it best illustrates the whole story. the vatican, because we understand the tenacity and the connections of the ugcc with the vatican. in fact, i think that the issue of these two imprisoned editors who served in berdyansk there until the last moment has long been the subject of negotiations and attempts are being made to extract them from russian captivity then was five priests were arrested, three were released on the contact line and they had to go 30 km there to get to ukrainian positions in ukraine, and two are actually still being held in prison. and in general, in all
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the occupied territories. in principle, at the moment there is not a single active catholic priest in the occupied territories, even roman catholic priests were deported from crimea , those who were still able to function there until now have been replaced wherever possible by russians , that is, i think that this is part of the negotiations but i think that these lists are much larger, because through the vatican , and we know this for sure, the lists of ukrainian prisoners go to the russian side. that is, it is definitely one of the channels. maybe they also mentioned saudi arabia earlier and not turkey there. it seems so, but the vatican is definitely there. involved in this, and these lists are being handed over. i don’t know how you are now. the change of the russian ambassador to the vatican is happening earlier. this is also, as far as i understood, because of this ambassador avdeev, whom moscow has now recalled. he had good relations with the pope.
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francis, and it is probably through him that the letter is sent through him, even now pope putin passed it through avdeev and anatoliy . i think the problem is that the vatican has no one to offer the russians in exchange for their holy fathers. the russians behaved quickly, thank you very much anatoliy babinskyi, a teacher at the ukrainian catholic university , an employee of the institute of church history, euku, and dr. bogoslov. i am asking my colleagues to keep a finger on the pulse of everything that is happening in ukraine and the russian federation . it will be fun in belgorod oblast. with a discount of only uah 199, it will fix tightly , reduce stress and tension and significantly
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