[000:00:00;00] uh, be careful from 3:00 a.m. vigilance of lng, we will be ready to burn uh, ukropov tanks, well, this is nonsense, well, you are reading where the railway connection between kurakhova and the active one has never been there in my life well, that is, they are spreading this story, what exactly a counter-offensive will take place on donetsk, because supposedly, a little more than a year ago, they did not take kyiv, yes. and here is how the armed forces allegedly will take the capital of the dpr . minus 1751 and that's more it seems you have less. it seems there were about a thousand, now it's about two. no, there wasn't. it's less. someone doesn't know

. someone gave the wrong number . we took out a little last week. well, the one that was 15 people was taken out . well, they are leaving yesterday. two people left. they are leaving little by little. but not as i would have liked, the head of the avdiyiv city military administration is in direct contact with our studio , and now it's 8:01 a.m. and there's economic news with andriy yanivskyi, to whom i pass the word, please maria . thank you, colleagues stole from me. well, a minute. well ok, let's do the math and somehow we'll get together later, maybe we'll just take the money and see. today we'll talk about demography and migration with anna vakhitova, an expert from the kyiv school of economics. wait for andriy yanitsky with economic news on the espresso tv channel, as usual in the morning at 8:00 a.m. we meet you live and talk about the uprising, economic news, if you watch us on youtube online, you can

leave your comments, i will return after the program, i will answer them under the cherry program, there were a lot of comments, thank you well, send the link to your friends and family, like this stream, stay with us. this will help us spread the truth among more people. such ukrainian energy workers have restored power to the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. finally, ukrenergo was informed about this. of the nuclear power plant, the head of the agency, rafael grosiv, emphasized that the situation with nuclear safety at the plant is extremely vulnerable, he called on the agency to immediately agree on its protection in the coming days i will present my security plan to the radbezion. i would like to remind you that russian terrorists again fired at energy facilities in the dnipropetrovsk region at night, as a result of which the high -voltage power line that feeds this station was disconnected

. the station is still under occupation . ukraine needs more than 45 billion hryvnias to prepare the power system for the next heating season. about this said the head of the national commission, which carries out state regulation in energy and communal services, kostyantyn ushapovsky, the amount goes to e-e repair of the infrastructure damaged by russian shelling. and in order for this money to appear, it is necessary to raise tariffs for the population, the head of the national commission noted, if you calculate the ways to obtain the necessary amount, then a kw will cost uah 2.88 kopecks. i will remind you that electricity prices are planned to be revised twice this year. they say that they will not review debts for a reasonable amount, they will write them into the credit history of ukrainians, this will affect the possibility

of obtaining loans from banks, for example, banks will be able to deny a person money, they will transfer it to an energy company information about utility debts about its unscrupulous customers to the ukrainian bureau of credit history, so far the company has reported it, it is clear how it will work in general , but the details are not yet clear. well, i have one more positive news before our conversation with the guest that the chinese will not buy grain to russians earlier in beijing beijing claimed that they would allow grain to be imported from all corners of russia and now they are already saying that phytosanitary regulations and transport problems are hindering trade, the agency writes about this bloomberg this year, out of 6 million tons of foreign products that arrived in china, only 30,000 tons went to russia, that is, 30,000 tons out of 6 million

tons of grain were only russian in china, and i hope that you are already with us. of the university of southern denmark ms. ghana congratulations yes yes let's try again let's try i didn't hear good morning beautiful you are coming to us straight from denmark now or from kyiv let's geographically indicate how the weather is there soul let's talk about migration how and since you are already uh and on they felt it for themselves unfortunately, they were forced to come and talk about demography, how many people are currently left in ukraine after the full-scale russian invasion, are there such honest calculations, well

, in fact , there are no numbers that would be in the air or so clearly formulated, but well, if we assume that somewhere we are talking about 37-38 million before the war, then minus five on or five and a half, respectively, we have 32-33 well, but this well, you need to understand that these are very approximate and very inaccurate calculations, why there are no exact calculations, we already see what is data about crossing the border in both directions to kyiv, the organization of the united nations is conducting such calculations and says that 11 million left, i don't know, 11 million left , 5 returned, or there were four returned , well, according to that,

even the highest mathematics is here. several times they enter and leave, and some simply because of the opaque borders that we have along the front line, in fact, they end up in occupation or in deportation in russia , so what's the problem? what if a person first left for poland and then after some time left for germany. accordingly, we do not know if we count him twice or if we count him only in germany, some people crossed the border , left through russia, were forced to cross the borders of countries which do not border ukraine, and this also complicates the accounting of such people, and accordingly, the very large figure given by russia of those who left ukraine for russia, we do not know anything about this

figure, and well, even if we look at the dynamics of this number does not exist at all, that is, what happened to these people, or were they forced to leave through other baltic countries to the baltic countries , for example, do they stay in russia of their own free will, or do we hmm have the opportunity to help them return to ukraine, that is, these people also do not know what by the way, when i named 32 , i also forgot them, yes, to my great regret. that is, this is such a part of our people about whom we know, well, practically nothing . well, accordingly, we do not really understand what the demographic composition of the population of ukraine is now , well, we understand that mostly women left with children, but finally, about geography, about the age structure , we can’t really figure it out, are there any

, but it’s not really like that? the fact that women with children left, we practically see this figure of approximately 80% for this category, according to all the studies, they are now definitely not representative, everyone admits that they are trying to make them at least as much as possible to include the categories that we know that people have left , for example, there will always be more people from poland in such surveys, but even when they are very points, er, we still have this figure of 80% of women and children. she goes everywhere, that is , you can rely on her for sure. and as for everything else, er, well, it’s practical. well, to be honest, we can’t say anything exactly. well, er

ok. let's take it as a fact that there are 32 million left in the middle of ukraine. once upon a time, i remember various propagandists and such charlatans from the economy , and they spread the story that why is there so much in ukraine? and no, let's tell the ukrainian oligarchs. they don't need so many people , so that in i don't know 5-10-20 million of them worked in factories, and all the others did they are not needed because they are all poor people and they arrange it inside ukraine of course this is a complete conspiracy theory and hmmm, not even scientific at all, but from the point of view of the economy , there is still some ideal picture of the world. when the entire population is employed, there is no unemployment. and when everyone works effectively for of a country like ukraine with its economic volumes, uh, is there such an ideal figure for the population, perhaps 32 million, we all cry and say that so many people have left and it is very bad, and perhaps this is just

the most effective number of the population in ukraine in order to realize its economic potential. in fact, there is no single figure that would tell us how. on which we could rely and say. but this is enough for us, because the population is the same resource, well, for economists, and for the economy as well . e-e capital or as e-e minerals and and or as technology yes population is a very important resource because it is the hands and the city that directly work and create goods, but we know that countries are very different in terms of population and for example, the same denmark, which has 6 million e-e

people in its territory, it prospers very well and the standard of living in the country is very high, but what is important is the demographic composition of the population, and why is it now a matter of the return of people who left, it becomes so important because they left in the first place women of working and childbearing age, and secondly, the children who left are the next cohort of the population, and that's why it's such a blow to the most important cohorts . it's very tangible, it's very dangerous. if we bracket our other patriotic considerations and so on, from the point of view of pure numbers, pure demography, pure economy , the importance of this cohort of this group of people who left is very high because it affects the reproduction of the population very much

, that is, the danger is that the population that remains, if there is no return, it will become old, it will be a burden on the social infrastructure, on the medical infrastructure, on the same pension fund , about which we constantly say that it is not so deficient and does not work, and here there will be even more what other challenges can there be, namely, in the economic plane, well, socio-economics, well, in principle, all the main ones named alexandria, yes, and if we are talking about return , is there already a study about what will stimulate return? i saw some kind of advertising campaign on social networks that if we, hmm, i don't know, make our cities better and more comfortable, people might want to come back, but they suspect that this is not the only stimulus for comfort in the city, and is

there is there a tram or a bench there? to be incentives for returning i saw these er this advertisement let's say this in my opinion it is fundamentally wrong because it makes people who have left er objects we will do everything for you here and you come yes that means she er is not in it roles, except for just arriving, everything is ready for those people who have left. i think this is an absolutely wrong message , absolutely, and it will not work precisely because you can always think that it is not good enough. my view the right message should be let's rebuild together let's make the kind of country that we want together for ourselves not for you not for us but for us all

perspectives and will be more effective well, i understand that first you need to remove the security factor yes that is, the return after the war and different people on -different people feel the danger and take different risks. i know people who returned last year in the summer before the school year so that their children could go to school . it's safe let's not fly anymore, it will be possible to return by plane and here, well, i understand that everything is very personal and already in the second place. all these things are related to comfort. but you yourself abroad saw how different life is in ukraine and there what i hear from many of our refugees is that everything is very bad with the service in europe compared to

novaya poshta, monobank, outlets, online delivery, and so on, but everything that concerns institutions , everything that concerns e-e, medicine, education, and as a rule, not always, but better what are yours you can observe, maybe just an example, the data could give. i agree with the institution e as such a general canvas, because when the institution e is working, it is a very strong thing , they allow you to withstand a lot of problems and many shocks, and that is, the arrival of such a large number of people is a shock for the economy - this is a shock for societies and the fact that europe has withstood this shock is precisely the evidence of the strength of the institution, the fact that there are many

services in ukraine that are much better well, it seems to me that it is very difficult to refute and the reason is that these services were built from scratch and this gave them the opportunity to become flexible, to become efficient, to apply technologies that are more modern and management methods that are more modern, precisely because there was no restriction eh, well, tracks, this is the effect of tracks when you move - already within the limits of the technologies that you have invested, and in this regard, the banking system works much better in ukraine, it offers more convenient services very quickly, you will not have to wait for anyone for 3 months to open a bank account, just like in denmark poshta nova, that is, well, there are many examples where ukraine really gives shape to the countries

of europe, but again, the reason why this happened is because there was no structure that restrained, and this structure, and the absence of this structure allows us to react flexibly and flexibly during the war, during some such a-ah catastrophic situations , we will be able to create a lot more from scratch . unfortunately, entire cities will have to be rebuilt , but they can be made better than they were after reconstruction, and this is a chance to make life just right in ukraine, it will be better already after there will be a ukrainian victory, probably the last question for literally one minute well, but how is it a bit sad if, after all, people do not return or well, many people will not return and i understand that the logical way out is migration, but migration -

there are also risks and threats from where people come to us now. there are many fears that the war will end and the same russians with whom we fought will leave. or maybe people from very poor countries will come to ukraine who are not related to our culture and it will cause social yaks are there any troubles or are there already migratory directions that are visible now, in fact, the issue of external migration to ukraine existed even before the war, and the reason why it was not solved or did not progress somehow is precisely that the population in ukraine is not very open to external migration and er, this tool does not yet have such real opportunities to apply it to its full extent, precisely because, relatively speaking , the population was not ready, and i want to emphasize that there is a third way, about which very little

is said, it is to increase labor productivity and using technologies is more effective, and it seems to me that it is also necessary to take into account and keep in mind artificial intelligence, for example, which is currently being actively developed in the kyiv school of economics. i think that we will talk about this topic separately with you or with other representatives, i am glad that you participated come to us uh, i wish you success, really okhtova was on the air of the espresso tv channel, they talked about migration and demography during the war of early hitov is a professor at the kyiv school of economics and a displaced researcher at the university of southern denmark and i'm andriy

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oleksandr congratulations glory to ukraine officer and how military what is happening now in the belgorod region, russia, how should we feel about it? well, you can't say much here, but it was nice to see familiar faces from the 14th year , so people all know that the patriots of ukraine are also a military man with a lot of experience, when did they take up arms then when very few people hesitated whether we would be able to win, that's why i think everything will work out and they know clearly what they are doing, what they are doing for, only the ball, this result will be positive, you mean and everyone in this voluntary team of the russian corps, who are now there physically, yes. yes, these are the russians . they understood that putin's regime in the 14th year is a disaster for russia and now , let's just say, they already got to russia with weapons in

their hands. you work in the vicinity of vinnytsia , tell us a little more in detail. how is the situation as of this morning? well, the enemy is working as usual with all types of weapons, more air strikes, guided air bombs , this is their know-how, and they are actively changing these fabs, fab-500 fab-250, to the previous country, the seversk region, trying to to destroy our personnel, our artillery, mortars, and positions of infantrymen, that is, it is now concentrating on the fight against our infantry. i understand correctly, well, they are, let’s say, using the bombs that the aviation should have stormed before, well, namely , dropping them on the stomovka, now they use

gps sensors to drop them from 20 - 30 km without flying into our air space, er, these are not missiles, they are high-explosive, have great strength, let's say so, and destroy a large amount of infrastructure that is located here , but we are doing what we can say. well, if we talk about the pressure from exactly which direction they are trying to push through not only with shelling, maybe they are resorting to some uh -uh offensive actions already on the ground uh-uh , from where exactly from the east, mainly do they take northerly now, always belogorivka and in the area of ​​bakhmutu solidara, this is theirs the same direction is where they once achieved success, they are caught there, but they were transferred there. our fresh battalions that underwent restoration literally not so long ago, so i think that everything will be fine. and for how much, hm, i don't

know, maybe the situation changes and the intensity is directly with you, the situation that is currently being built is looming in the area of ​​bakhmut well, we see that those units that they just constantly transfer one unit to another unit from our sector, fresher ones are dragged here and there , they try to throw out something and less, we destroy those units and they have our problem is constantly, that is, all of them are like, uh, such an arc that constantly interferes with them because we are near lysichansk, we see the light of lysichansk, and we will say so for them to transfer through the lysichansk refinery a large amount of equipment and what about the artillery now? who has the advantage in artillery? and what has changed in ammunition recently? oleksandr , please, it is difficult to say. i know that our artillerymen work differently. i know that now the 155 caliber prevails.

you are that bull, so that it was before the soviet one. and let's say so, according to the current standard, the main hope of the infantry is for this 155-caliber artillery. and as for heavy armored vehicles, how actively are they now using it in your direction they are involved, it is actively destroyed, as a rule, they adopted the tactics of our armored vehicles , this is two, three tanks, one, two tanks, and bmps, and where they are used in the previous region, but with kamikaze drones, it is destroyed , the crews are knocked out and thrown. they also