[000:00:00;00] in the meantime, we would like to remind you that earlier there was a scandal surrounding the shevchenko prize when the committee did not announce this year's winners traditionally on march 9, as they did in all previous years. later, after a certain uproar , the list of winners was published, but the corresponding presidential decree, despite the promise , was not made public until yesterday. that's right uh, sorry for the technical points. so , let's go back to what i feel, first of course, i got into a hot hot pan, uh, i understand the responsibility and i understand that well, both for me and for everything

it would be easier for the newly created committee to start with, as they say, a clean slate but we have a situation that during this year we need to complete this er complete the awarding ceremony of the laureates 20-23 i donate as they say from the trenches and i would not like to discuss all the underwater reefs why how and so later, but a situation arose when an additional nomination was practically announced , and it was not actually started, the previous composition itself would have drawn up the powers and the chairman. on the one hand, it is great, and on the other hand, um, we all know each other very well . i know all the members of the committee who worked. i want to thank them for their work, and i don't want to discuss what and how they turned out. but

it turned out that practically the work was blocked and completely unexpectedly it turned out that may 22, a symbolic day for ukraine, i was appointed as the chairman and at the moment the situation is such that i have, as you understand , to submit the entire staff of the entire committee and, first of all, in the first meetings, to make a decision collectively individually, how do we proceed with the announced additional nomination, or will it be a short-term tribune competition for an accelerated algorithm in those awards for which laureates have not been determined? and then, uh, well, make a decision to submit it, submit its authors, the algorithm, and

somewhere closer to understand which ones, on which date we go out, where the prizes will be fully awarded to all the winners of 20-23, when should they be awarded and when should the president sign zelensky's corresponding decree. yes, we waited a long time. well, in general, in the traditions of our shevchenko committee, it was right, it seems, on may 23 to hand over, announce, hand over, hand over, should have been handed over on the 22nd, but once again, i would like to note once again to return to the nuance of the fact that the personal composition of the previous committee and the chairman made the authorization much earlier and it was announced that an additional option would be held and then everyone would be awarded on the 22nd, but that additional competition was not held in the end, i will say once again that i do not want to mess with

the fact that my task was now er situation to bring out in an honest and true format that all the winners should be awarded if this is a decision that will still be an additional option, then i think that well , i have such thoughts, but it still has to make this decision collectively is independence day is a day defenders of the motherland is november 9, the day of the ukrainian language and writing and culture workers. i think that by this time, we should finish the work with additional winners and go to the award ceremony . depends, among other things, on the extraordinary schedule of the president of ukraine, the protocol and so on , i would not undertake to announce it now. i think that when the entire personal composition of the committee is approved, we will somehow understand the algorithm and approximately arrive at a date that we

will definitely announce through mass media information and you think that additional nominations for the shevchenko prize are needed , well, look what i think, what i don't think , i can get something for myself like this but the first story i am already put in the situation when it has already been announced, well, de facto the second situation is what i repeat once again, i have to discuss it under any circumstances with all members of the committee. i have to understand according to the regulations how it can be before this, the secretariat of the committee, as they have already informed me of something worked out such an option and somewhere saw the logic that there are funds, for example, for two nominations in which the winner was not determined, but during this time they removed this option m.m. restriction in e-e for six months to submit for one or another material

, accordingly, it can be completely fresh work er, on military themes and visual art in theater. they definitely exist, but i wouldn’t get involved now, you know the situation, that ’s how i think it is. it ’s already occurred to me. it was inconsistent that it was trust at the very start, we are supposed to work for three years, we must immediately remove the issue of any pressure or anything , yevgeny, with all due respect to you, we have no idea what you can do, i don't know what to do somehow dishonest in this situation because the shevchenko prize is a symbolic award - it is a symbolic honor and it is probably the highest ukrainian award of such a plan and accordingly we

understand how difficult your situation is. it will be possible to put everything in its place and finally, we would just like to clarify oksana yes, i see you i am still interested in the approximate dates when we can expect the announcement of the winners and the announcement of this of the results of the atlas of such long and long dimensions, you said that you cannot name a specific date, but i still want to roughly, well, conditionally speaking, they gathered there next week, a week later they made a certain decision and everything is on june 30, so to speak, on the day of the proclamation of the restoration of the act of ukrainian statehood. it is already possible it would be so to speak and hand over and i look only for but i want to come back again and i told you the approximate dates if a decision is

made to do this competition after all, it cannot last three days, as you understand, because explanations of the application must be collected, it is at least 2-3 weeks , yes, then 2-3 rounds, that is, we can leave as soon as possible on independence day, or there is the day of defenders of the fatherland. or, i repeat once again, i called you date and november 9. if this option will not be held, then we can do it much faster. i think that the next meeting will be my personal and the opinions of the committee members . it will be when the committee itself is approved . i hope that it will be well, within 10 days because you need to talk to everyone about each nomination, there must be authoritative people who will be trusted. the legitimacy of the newly created committee depends on this. thank you, mr. yevhen yevgeneshchuk, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, the head of the committee for

the taras shevchenko national award of ukraine, the former minister of culture of ukraine , let's go further to of the territorial defense forces , in the fight against the enemy, former entrepreneurs, all teachers, lawyers, stood up for the defense of the country and now perform combat tasks on a par with paratroopers and by mechanized brigades on heroes' day today we are talking about the exploits of the teroboronov during this great war, last year on february 24, the center of territorial defense was filled with people who were ready to stand up for the defense of the state , thousands of men and women without experience of military service at one moment took up arms and put on military uniforms united and set out to defend the country, former lawyers and entrepreneurs, teachers, doctors became soldiers

of the territorial defense forces of the armed forces of ukraine territorial defense village - this is light infantry, the task of the infantryman is to take a position in the trench and hold it, artillery is placed behind him, shock brigades are formed and deployed , so the infantryman always takes the first strike, so it is the most difficult for him. which of the civilians have already become commanders , heads of units in the military today , this is an extremely great achievement for the military state, that is , imagine that yesterday you were an ordinary salesman, and

today you are already in charge and in command by people oleksandr pleskov, the man has never served, there is no military department and he did not hold a weapon in his hands in civilian life, he was engaged in the tourist business, he had his own travel agency for more than a year, he is in the armed forces of ukraine and is now the commander of the anti- aircraft unit in the 125th brigade of the sel-toreo battalion of the military, participated in in the northern outskirts of bakhmut, the street was full of battles, protracted constant assaults, constant shelling, air raids by both airplanes and helicopters , it was very, very active. people behind him, another zloty, 30 people, or maybe a couple of bells up to 70 people could go there at once , and in fact, almost around the clock, and in such conditions , the soldiers bravely held the defense. oleksandr pliskov admits that bakhmut hardened the soldiers after these battles, they became more professional, and their experience in battle was also hardened

military 103rd territorial defense brigade , the defense of the front line along the siverskyi dayents has become legendary for the brigade . i'm wrong, dozens of attempts to lead pontoon crossings and our units of the 103rd territorial defense brigade on a par with other other units also held these positions, these places where the enemy tried to deploy a bridgehead for the offensive and to lead the crossings, and in the end belogorivka became another chernobaivka for the enemy and territories were also liberated by the russians, when the preparations for the great ukrainian counter-offensive began, together with other brigades of the national guard and the armed forces of ukraine, we were able to cross this river, force and capture several settlements already in the occupied territory. that is, we actually liberated several a-a settlements that were previously occupied by the enemy, and in fact

it became such a border before us, or does it turn out to be a ground defense - it is not only sitting in the trenches or holding the territory, and it is also liberating populated areas during the full-scale invasion, the territorial defense brigade was able to integrate into the structure of the armed forces of ukraine and now performs tasks alongside experienced brigades. territorial defense has evolved in armament from the classic of an infantry unit that should be sitting in the trenches to the already serious semi-mechanized brigades with their own equipment , people often think that they are not, this is not the armed forces or they are sitting somewhere in the rear. in fact, i have not heard of a brigade that was not currently on the front line, exactly it was either not on the front line, it is like light infantry, but at the same time, we can perform many tasks in all of us, and there are rifle companies, there are fire support companies that

have light weapons, the military is convinced of territorial defense in people. this is extraordinary motivated soldiers who in combat invent different applications of technology in order to harm the occupiers as much as possible. they were often successful in civilian life and now use their experience to defeat the enemy in war . and not only to remember those about whom we once read in books and watched movies as children, but actually it is good to know that heroes are among us in fact and we in our studio now congratulate mykola posivnych senior researcher of the krypyakevych institute of ukrainian studies of the national academy of sciences of ukraine candidate

of historical sciences glory to ukraine p. mykola glory to the heroes today, may 23, ukraine celebrates heroes ' day like this. this is quite a symbolic date. yes, and 25 bolshevik agent schwarzbert killed him in paris, shot him. yes, we understand that the may days were also honored in ukrainian historiography. well, not only in the history of geography was so celebrated, and today's date, may 23, heroes' day, how did the date appear in general? well, this date appeared rather organically, because you mentioned yevhen konovalts, whose 85 -year anniversary of his death we commemorated in zashkov, not far from lviv , simon petliura and mykola mikhnovskyi, it was three such prominent figures of the ukrainian liberation movement around whom

this entire nationalist national liberation movement was actually created and therefore may 23 is such a symbolic date, a symbolic date that was tied at the second great meeting of the oun in in kraków, where stepan bandera was elected as the leader, and this honoring the memory of all the people who gave their lives for ukraine. and it was more. you are so motivational, hmm, what a motivational holiday, such a celebration that would honor these fallen, because during the first liberation contests 17-21 and the interwar period of the beginning of the second world war, many heroes died and these heroes were , unfortunately, faceless, they did not have their own grave, and this symbolism of people who gave the best that they had should be honored with such

a commemoration, the day of their memory is not in vain we have during our easter holidays, these green holidays where in galicia, in lviv, people went to the graves en masse, they honored at the lychakiv cemetery in yanivsk those soldiers of the galician army who died and who the soviet government came here. they will be immediately destroyed, this is such a symbolism that of the dead this is more than the living because the dead always appeal to fierce people who are able to resist and this is the breaking of the resistance , the breaking of the will power of the nation. resistance and we have a classic example - it is the occupier, and that is why ukrainian nationalists are ordered to oppose

this holiday . er, the motivation of people who want to fight and the holiday of heroes is so much more sacred because it is such a chivalric epic that is not present in ukraine that a person who goes to defend er his homeland is a priori a hero because it, not having its own state, without means, organizes itself, and this is the highest manifestation of patriotism , when sacrifices, when people stand up to fight, and this self-organization should have been such a symbolic holiday for those people who in the future would have thanks from the future state, now we we have our ukrainian state and so many public and political figures, in particular, on the website of the president, such a petition has been created to recognize

the day of heroes and the holiday of heroes as a national holiday and to support this uh, already 80-year-old tradition commemoration of these heroes. and how is the transformation of this concept taking place? in fact, the generation born in the 90s and 2000s for them are heroes - these are people from history, so in fact there are not many left, and during the lifetime of these children of ours, in fact, there are not many young people there were heroes who met with these children, how they were told about the struggle against who was underground, about those who experienced siberia, exile and everything that could be experienced in the last decades, today the situation is completely different , today you go outside and walk and constantly

do you see these heroes on their stands on e memorial tables of others alive e someone whole unharmed others traumatized how does this process go and is it similar to those processes that go through with the concept of heroes in other countries, well, it has always been so and this a very painful transformation and it should be a policy of national memory , in fact a state policy when the state should raise its heroes and honor the heroes themselves, this is the national pantheon, these are cemeteries against which the enemy is primarily an attack - these are heroes against whom all the heroes are debatable, that they divide on the contrary, and the heroines have always been in the debate, they did not always go with the flow, but against the flow, these are people who formed opinions and formed around them, therefore this er. holiday was always such a segment er.

public - the political sector, which has replaced the national-patriotic e-e education that the ukrainian state has not carried out for the past three-30 years, and this is only because the e-e commemoration of these heroes is taking place at the public level. and if we see from 1991 , when ukraine became independent then public figures restored cools restored berestechka restored cossack graves honored hetmans honored this was the pantheon of the national public and the state actually removed itself before this because there is a need for this education because as we will see volunteer battalions public structures that dealt with these issues they became the first volunteers plast sum e the youth nationalist congress and other organizations of the same type that our

predecessors, educators, and former veterans of the upa were involved in, clearly demonstrated this for why was this necessary even in time c? i always remember the words of the chief last commander of the upa, who said that sooner or later there will be a war with russia, it was 25 years ago and this training is their relay so that you must be ready for war. and war is a very important war it is impossible without heroes and the first heroes are those who have to raise the masses for resistance and the resistance , you can watch the hatchets, who will resist, who is capable of resistance, and the enemy does not matter, whether it is from the east or the west, always in such parameters he strikes by the heroes we see how

the symbols of ukrainians were subjected to such information art attacks when ukrainians did not have such authorities even after shevchenko, others were special operations of the military bank , look, and if we are talking, for example, about our historical topography about our monuments in central and eastern ukraine, you very rightly noted that on it is a great pity that the ukrainian state during the 30 years of its existence did not do enough. so we put it mildly because we understand that there is eastern ukraine, which also gave birth to many of its heroes well, for example, simon petliura, that is, he did not deserve, so to speak, to be properly honored in the place of his birth or in kyiv, in the capital yevhen konovalets, who devoted his life to the development of the ukrainian state. and he did a lot in kyiv when he tried to stop the bolsheviks. the so-called uprising at the arsenal and so on and so on

, but there is a feeling that somehow these heroes, no doubt ukrainians, are trying to take them somewhere to western ukraine and then spread their hands and redraw the symbols on the mother's family in in the center of kyiv, explaining that it is, so to speak, soviet, that is, our monument, but the main thing is to remove what we are hammering, well, we must understand such a concept as a national myth , a myth in a good sense, it is such a substance that should unite the nation and without of these national myths without national heroes, we are not able to build a normal european state. after all, each of the european countries has its own leaders , such as napoleon's france, but for england, this is not a hero, and therefore we must treat

our neighbors in the same way to history with such understanding that we respect your history and we have the right to have our own heroes and to honor these heroes and that is why this is a european practice that is not amnesia, not forgetting, not the east, not the west, according to modern research, you see that bander has now become an unequivocal hero who does not divide ukraine and according to all data, he is now a person who shoots normally 82%. 20 years ago. it was only 12. it was a western ukrainian phenomenon, and therefore now this war has placed the emphasis on heroes, on language , on religion quite clearly, and we see that whose litmus is whose crimea it was at one time such a litmus question for any liberal russian or other of our democratic figure in quotation marks about crimea, the question and relationship to russia, now this history has quite clearly set out the categories of

heroes and people themselves put their own eyes an example of documenting, you called the percentage of the east where this is actually an anonymous history of the second world war, first of all, the myth of this great patriotic war is broken in memory of those unknown soldiers, because in ukraine they bury the memory of every soldier and we do not have such a concept as a missing soldier who should disappear from our lexicon, every soldier who gave his life for his country should be honored, and we have an example, american and european , when this soldier is honored on the same level as a general and this we have these pantheons, the national pantheon is so virtual, in which these heroes should be, the question is a fairly clear criterion for what he fought for, why he

died and what was his contribution to history, and these questions are quite simple, but they should, on the contrary, unite ukraine and not divide it to combine but this political struggle around these events of destabilizing the situation is more politics that has nothing to do with national memory and reconciliation, and these former upa and former soldiers of the soviet army actually reconciled themselves in the 90s, those who really fought and this the ukrainian modern state is the former state of these veterans of the upa and red army veterans, whose children are fighting together against the enemy. this is a combination that , unfortunately, politics and our presidents failed to implement, but in reality we see an example former children, grandchildren of secretaries and in a coma who are fighting and we see examples of the same

in the hero of ukraine simchich and whose children and grandchildren are fighting together with them and this is finally about such a combination in the trenches against the modern enemy - this is an anti-putin war in fact, these heroes will be united against these heroes and the understanding of these facts of war and the life of a soldier and the value of a soldier is clearly demonstrated by the example of these heroes of the first liberation struggles of 17-21 years old, these figures who fought in transcarpathian ukraine at the beginning of world war ii war and in the ranks of the university dissidents who are also fighters for the freedom of ukraine and they are also heroes who cannot be removed from the pedestal because they are very understanding of heroism in the history of ukraine there is still a relay of generations when we have the first second liberation

competition dissidents of the revival of ukraine and we don't have this belarusian version where there are no heroes this is a big difference between ukraine and belarus where there are ukrainian heroes where there are our heroes where is our history and there is soviet belarus attacked and they do not have these heroes they are but they are not in in the mass consciousness, this is heroism, when it is in the mass consciousness, it is the first guarantee of success, and the blood of heroes, the sacrifice of heroes - this is the greatest currency for a nation that can exist , because history, unfortunately, did not come up with a greater currency than the blood of the heroes of the best sons and daughters of ukraine, which could state to exist if there are no these heroes, these daughters and sat , then this state simply touches the map of the world and it dies and it dissolves in this human

crowd . of ukrainian studies named after krypyakevich academy of sciences of ukraine was working now live on the espresso tv channel oksana and i are now gradually passing the word passing the words i also want to say that actually uh-uh so that those accents placed by modern life picks up is very good our education when it comes to children to schoolchildren are invited by modern heroes , and even in kindergartens, collections and various auctions are held for the benefit of the armed forces of ukraine, so it should be. what's next ? rudenko good day and good health to all. today, may 23, 454th day of the ukrainian people's heroic resistance to the russian invaders, president volodymyr zelenskyi arrived at the front line to congratulate the defenders on the day of marine infantry from