[000:00:00;00] now the tempo of their artillery has become much higher, they are taking every day some kind of street there, some kind of portal, uh, they take 50 by 100 by 200 m. well, it’s difficult there from bahmut, almost nothing is left there, even if there is no way to hold positions, or banal, what are they for? keep the old women there and they all just run, run forward, and there they hide in what is left of some building and try to get a foothold somewhere in the neighboring world with the bahmut of time, miru listens carefully to every shot, trying to identify distance and understand whether there is an advance of any army, volunteer yevgen perfectly understands the situation is difficult, but i really want to believe that the front line will move away from the native time , the weight of the ravine for me is the return of the hospice family , the reconstruction of all the premises well, you can rebuild the times of the ravine well, of course a that here

it is to be rebuilt in the world, do you know how much money peresichelka serhiy dokunda andriy ustinkin for radio svoboda at least 10% of the population of ukraine will be veterans and people related to them after the completion of the russian-ukrainian war, and the average age of a veteran will be 35-45 years, so the state must provide these people not only with conditions for physical and psychological recovery, but also social adaptation. my colleague daria kudimova asked the relevant minister yulia laputina about the number of citizens who will have veteran status after the war. they predict that it will increase at least four times to 5 million a-a people, plus 4 million residents of the city and military servicemen, relatives of the dead, and all this burden on the state in the field of providing

services that directly remain physical rehabilitation, psychological rehabilitation , social adaptation, is the state ready for such a scale, russia's aggression against ukraine actually created the preconditions what kind of experience is there now in ukraine , including people with combat experience , including you ? there was and no country in the world would be ready to accept such a challenge . but i will clarify a little that when we talk about 4 million people who will potentially be veterans. we count all categories, that is, there will not be 4 + 5, there will be four approximately 4 to 5 million people related to veteran policy are directly combatants or participants in hostilities who gained combat experience

defending our independence, territorial integrity, sovereignty in battles, and of course people who were wounded and disability as a result of the war, as well as the members of the families of the dead and our soldiers and heroes . and of course, in general, these are the members of all the families of those people who defended ukraine on the front. in order to meet all our soldiers, and after our victory , moderate them in such a way that they integrate into peaceful life, that is, this and his social protection, this is his, for example , the introduction of a transparent procedure for obtaining housing for military personnel while still in service these are appropriate medical guarantees, guarantees of mental health, and so on. and then when a person er makes a decision to leave the army for civilian life about a year before demobilization

er, we as the ministry of veterans affairs must provide a person with a clear list of tools where a person ms. yulian can realize herself, but this is at the level of implementation. now we are waiting for the president's signature on specific steps. can we say that the war that has been going on for 9 years since the 14th year, that certain mechanisms and algorithms for providing assistance to veterans have already been worked out to automatic level. so we can understand that even with an increase in scale, this mechanism will work. well, unfortunately for us , the veteran policy itself was not initiated even from the beginning of the war in the 14th year and , in principle, the e-news as a systemic direction was not dealt with, that is, certain e -things were carried out entirely at the expense of the mechanisms that had been developed even after the second world war regarding the social protection of veterans of that war, on the other hand , public organizations joined in order

to provide services where the state did not provide them they gave and it was like that until the 19th year, until the ministry was created, then the ministry was created, which had a rather low institutional capacity, because its budget , even just a budget, it reached a little less than the smallest region in ukraine , that is, in fact, a structure was created which was not filled with either the direction or the possibility of their implementation , that is, when we, when i already came to the ministry , such a thing was obvious, for example, we have four four budget programs that we finance housing for veterans, and every year to that how did funds for 100 apartments come in, and there are 200 apartments there, and the queue is dragging more than three thousand people at that time, and thanks

to the support of the president of ukraine , the support of the verkhovna rada and the government, we implemented the program this year according to which we are budgeting for uah 5.5 billion and we will work this year and it will already be in automatic mode, we issue a subvention to regional military administrations, they form queues and people receive funds and have to buy accordingly, housing is targeted funds, but not using the opportunity to get housing, and of course, while we adopted these resolutions , the cost of housing increased, and this year we understand that we will not fully cover the entire 3,000 queue, but more than 2,000 families receive these apartments, and this year yes, we have introduced a grant program to support veteran entrepreneurs. again, i want to emphasize that this is a specific

program that works both for the veteran and for his family, as well as for the state, because these funds are used to pay taxes to the economy of ukraine. it is also very important and it is very specific, i.e. grants for entrepreneurship, housing - this is what we can say that we have a developed mechanism that, in principle, we can apply further with an increase in the scale of assistance that people will need from the state. you mentioned that funding is insufficient in the ministry of veterans, but as far as i understand from what i saw today, 22 government structures take care of the needs of veterans, and these functions are very dispersed. we understand that the ministry of defense and the ministry of health and the ministry of social affairs many different structures take care of the needs, but in this system, in your opinion, the main task of the ministry of veterans is to be what and for what , first of all, i will say that we have adopted a law, it has already been signed by the president of the verkhovna rada, it is about a comprehensive review of the system of social guarantees

for veterans according to the provisions of this law, every five years, the state must carry out a comprehensive review of who provides what for which categories in order to avoid duplication. the role of the ministry of veterans affairs is the main coordinator, first of all. and the shaper of veteran policy because no one except the ministry of veterans affairs, which is the bearer and owns the register of veterans in which the categories are listed and also has the knowledge of what needs veterans have. only such a structure can shape policy. that is, we analyze the needs of veterans. we determine what categories are veterans, for example, veterans of the armed forces of ukraine, this is a person who could not have participated in hostilities, but she

served for 25 years and is not a war veteran. a veteran of the military service of the armed forces, and according to this status, he has certain guarantees that he receives. well, for example, i am a veteran of the military service and the security service of ukraine, because i served for more than 25 years , but at the same time, i am a participant in hostilities, and this is a different kind of so when i am a participant in hostilities, i am already potentially the one who should be taken care of by the ministry of veterans affairs . let me immediately clarify this law on defenders, about which we talk a lot, shouldn't it regulate it the question is because here is how and what we started with that you mentioned at the beginning that we now have veterans we are not talking only about veterans of the russian-ukrainian war we have veterans of the afghan war there we have veterans of military friendship e as far as i understand such a law what is still not there or is there a need for it and what is still

not there is the basic law 3551 e-e on social guarantees of military personnel and members of their families and everything you say about it is taken into account in principle, we are working on it to create a new one under modern conditions, the law on the basics of modern veteran policy and all categories should be written there, but there are appropriate social guarantees that are provided to those who belong to the law enforcement agencies, and here you need to look very carefully at what these people need it is necessary to study the need or need, for example, a wired telephone as it is now provided for by the social guarantee, and when we say something, something must be changed, it is always very serious , the argument of the provision of the constitution, which does not allow worsening the conditions for a person

in any case. for example, if e- is cancel something, for example, we cannot cancel something because it will worsen the conditions for a person, even if it is a wired phone, because it is an option that could be negative in some respects, but the war since the 14th year, the ministry of foreign affairs since the 18th year, 5 years of the existence of the department and we are talking about the fact that we did not single out in this mechanism the assistance to veterans of the russian-ukrainian war, why do you have an answer? and if we say that it is precisely what you mentioned that should coordinate all these efforts and be a kind of lobbyist for the interests of veterans in society. so that to generalize and make a strategic er important things for the security and defense sector in general, so when i talk about the strategy of transition from a military career to a civilian one, it will also involve all er coordination of all departments in the matter

and the determination of statuses, including that is why it is impossible to say that everything in the state is completely dispersed along with this. if we take the american experience from them , the ministry of veterans affairs is second in budget after the ministry of defense, and there everything is based on serious, first of all it is on powerful public organizations that meet the relevant standards of service provision and are given the right to implement many types of services , and it is not just information services, it is specific services for the rehabilitation of the ambassador, treatment services , private structures, non-governmental organizations have the right to this, and in addition, it is also -e great policy e-e creation of if and activities specifically for veterans e-e powerful

rehabilitation centers that is, this is a veteran policy - it is part of the general government policy of politics the state can act as a kind of lobbyist in order to torpedo these processes, this is how we do it, for example, in the e-e part of the e-e hmm transitions from a military career to a civilian one, we are ready to be the locomotive of changes because we understand the stability of these institutions as the ministry of defense, which still has a lot of institutional memory. and at the level of the political leadership of the ministries, we have a fully coordinated position, but at the level of the executors who have been working there for 30 years , they sometimes do not want to leave their comfort zone, and we have taken responsibility we understand that this is a challenge or we have to come, the full version will be available on the website and youtube channel of radio svoboda next week. well, i say goodbye to you. svoboda life will be back on the air on monday. don't miss and like this broadcast

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the region, well, bilhorod itself, even before it was officially founded by the russian tsars, existed in the times of kyivan rus as a certain as a certain fortification as a certain well you can say a conditional fortress and then bilhorod was part of kyiv province during the time of the russian empire, then it was moved to the kursk e-e province. well, belgorod was also part of the ukrainian people's republic in 1918 , it was also ukraine, so when we talk about the situation in belgorod region, we somehow also talk about the situation conditionally in ukraine, because the territory in which the city of bilhorod and the bilhorod region are located is geographically and politically whatever you like ethnographically it is the so-called slobody ukraine. we all know very well what the slobody that was built on this territory is serfs once escaped from the russian empire there and built their freedoms here, this is slobid ukraine, and today in the territory of this slobid ukraine

, which is temporarily controlled by putin's government , certain events are taking place, which are accompanied by shots, explosions, death and a certain panic, and in the kremlin and among the local leadership and today we will talk about it with wonderful people who volunteered to talk with us and spend time vitalika pranov writer publisher publicist public figure and it was and how it was blogger youtube blogger vitaliy, i congratulate you. yes, well, once again, because i didn't hear something in my opinion . good health, good health , one more guest to join us, dear from the wind brehunenko, he is uh, he is a doctor

of historical sciences and a professor, but he has not yet joined us, he will join us, we will certainly invite him on the air and we will conduct our conversation at three. our main topic in russian is not russian russian empire who created it and who will put an end to its existence in this artificial formation on the territory as they say from ukraine to the pacific ocean and further in your opinion, the events in belohorodshchyna can be called the struggle of the local population oppressed by putin's russia for freedom for historical self-determination and for a return to ukrainian roots, of course i am a little yes , i say this jokingly, but your opinion about this can be called zero. it is only a question of the scale

of the scale of this struggle, and there are definitely people who consider these events from this point of view, and our task is to make sure that these people are as many as possible. and for this, what for this, we need to remember the history, remember the history of the region , understand its geography, we understand that, you know, it is very funny that they recently mentioned that there was this so-called belgorod pre-devil, if the defensive line with which they defended themselves against the expansion from the south, the expansion from the south was from the crimeans from the cossacks. and actually, it was white-handed. why is belgorod region because the origins are there rivers of two different basins, the volga river, which is the basis of russian identity, and trade routes, the main informational channel

, and the siverskyi donets river, and partly the dnipro river, which are the basis of ukrainian identity. the border between russia and ukraine as national territories, not as the geography of a political territory, but as national territories, and it is easy to verify this if you look at the census questionnaire of the population that took place at the end of the 19th century, at the very end of the next year, and the results were entered on the map accordingly, and you will see that then you would not have asked the nationality, they would have asked the language, and you will see that the settlement of ukrainian-speaking people is right in the middle, somewhere in belohorodsk . up to the main thing about the new thing and why is this because these people were communicating, that's actually their direction of communication, roughly speaking, where did she go shopping, visit relatives, get married, all

this activity in those regions was targeted inside the current ukraine, that is, they did not swim across the river to the other side to look for it there, they looked for it here and, accordingly, grew up in the ukrainian, and in this creative context , you know. described a journey through modern russia. well, then it was the russian empire, so he described that when he came to belegorodshchyna, it was a completely different picture there, the houses were white, neat, people spoke in a different language, and people were friendlier, cleaner, more smiling than, let's say, in russia. well because it was already other people and actually again. this is the struggle of russians for freedom from putin's control, from putin's control, the internal struggle in russia, which is currently happening in belegorod region, it is of course wonderful. well

, ukraine, as a country that is actually fighting against the empire, is ready to provide a moral e. maybe somewhere, frequent material and informational support for those healthy forces in the russian federation who want to free their land from putin today. well, it is possible to give freedom to other peoples who were oppressed and included by sword and fire to the composition of the russian empire viktor brehunenko, doctor of historical sciences, professor, contact us, viktor, we congratulate you. good day. well, i will also ask you about belohorodchyna briefly, and then we will start talking about the main topic of our of our today's program is not russian, the russian empire, who created them , who will put an end to its existence, in your opinion , is belarus historically, nationally, mentally, is it more ukraine or more russia

, here it must be said that belarus has long been it belonged to the territory of the medieval ukrainian state of russia. it was lost during the mongol invasion, and in the 17th century, recolonization began on the part of ukraine, and on the other side , the moscow state colonization machine moved from the north, and in the 30s of the 17th century, moscow built the so-called belgorod border line and it would seem that this region is russian, but when we take a closer look, it turns out that actually this defensive line, like all the others, was built mainly by ukrainian hands in russia , there was a lack of free people for that in order to attract for the colonization of the region for the construction of fortresses, it actively used ukrainians and ukrainian immigrants, and the final record is that belohorodshchyna acquired the advantage of the ukrainian face caused the creation of slobid ukraine

in the second half of the 17th century . the russians, by the way , did not hide this. no, never until the middle of the 19th century. even at the beginning of the 19th century, all the travelers mentioned the recent travelers, both western and russian. they showed that they identified the greater part of belarus with ukrainian lands, the ethnic border between russian territory and ukrainian territory, so they drew it 15 layers from kursk and now , look where the course is, where is belgorodshchyna and where does belohorodshchyna belong, it is clear that there will be enclaves of the russian population, that's why there is enmity between the ukrainian population and the russian population was extremely powerful so that , for example, on the territory of slobozhanshchyna north

of kharkiv, even muscovy itself tried to separate ukrainians and russians on different sides, so they did not reconcile there, and there were, for example, russian guts, cherkasy books , and russian guts, to indicate that these are completely different by nature settlements , that is why what is happening now in belgorod oblast . it seems to me that this is a situation that has been brewing for a long time, regardless of who is behind it, this will start processes that will allow a significant part of the residents of belgorod region to remember who they are and whether they are their parents, they are children, just like horodyshche on the ostrozhsky regiment of slobidsky, right up to the upper reaches of the don this is actually the ukrainian territory that was settled since 1651

, the first settlers were from ukraine, who were drawn to the slobojan region, and they went to the easternmost point, and that's actually all the way to that topic, to those territories that are now part of the russian federation, you know, mykola voronoi is like that the poem is called evshan-potion about a person who, having felt the smell of her mother somewhere in a certain period of time, and she remembers who she is, and i think that what is happening now in certain ukrainian territories is happening correctly, because it is here there are people who actually smelling this yevshan-potion, they can remember something, it will resonate in their heart, it is the same as kubanik, belohorodshchyna, actually, like kurshchyna and other territories that once belonged to ukraine in one way or another, therefore it can resonate with these people, because, relatively speaking, to the residents of muscovy, well, there it never will respond because for them everything ukrainian is foreign, hostile, incomprehensible, not acceptable , well, in the same way as it is possible that a resident

of the caucasus will respond there to the northern peoples of the peoples and to the delural, something peculiar will also respond, which is in no way similar from russia to moscow. well, we actually, transitions of the topic, we have time, we won't. as they say, we will flow through our detonation , rostika, something, i'm thinking of detonation, as uh, the soothsayer buyan said we will talk specifically, and you know, i decided to find out a few things for myself, and then it will give an opportunity for our viewers to better understand what the russian empire is as a phenomenon who created it and who will put an end to its existence and before we start i want you to listen to a short conversation of two people one from azerbaijan the other from bashkortostan and they are discussing the issue of the russian language and ukrainian, which language is older and which language is artificial and which language is a distortion of another language before it is very it is very interesting

let's listen and then move on to our to our polylogue please - a sense that makes you understand that i hear and i will say in russian when you know it is not because you do not know the truth and that it is true when you say that the ukrainian language and crazy russian you are deeply mistaken, it is russian language and crazy ukrainian here are two accounts like this i speak to you in sentences. do you understand? look at the man takes the bottles of vodka, pour them into a glass and drink. this is the meaning of bottle . the french word for vodka is the polish word for glass in the central asian word. so now a person takes a glass and knocks out all the ukrainian words .

part of ukrainian words, part of european and part of russian words, and 35-40%. we are with you vybozhkort, i am azerbaijan, we accept the language , the word began, this is what is the beginning - this is a family, a hotel father, this is a jurassic word, it is correct. yes, it is correct . well, in different languages, brother is brother, one father. well, not like that. do you understand, but this is the same word, hurray, it makes sense. that's right , at least it's a mess