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p.m. he did not come with a weapon, he will destroy attention what is this about, oleksandr? i welcome you to the first public broadcasting channel. thank you very much for finding the time while you were passing through kyiv. before the recording, my colleagues and i talked about the fact that many people know you as an expert on the reform of the sphere of health care at one time you were the spokesman of the ministry of health and now you are in military uniform how did you make this decision for yourself that you are going to war the decision was ready at the time of a full-scale invasion because uh, my friends are now brothers and are already combatants it was also quite clear what they would do if a full-scale invasion began. this is actually a group of honor. we and these wonderful people

engaged in public activism, well, such performances under the president's office in the case of ternopolyanka, eh, regarding the demands of judicial reform and many, many others , well, this was all our life. that is, what we lived by trying to make the country closer to the democratic republic, but if it is very interesting what we did , it was the people who left the maidan, just for me , the maidan was public the euromaidan sector for the boys out of honor, these were the radical-minded maidans, it was them, then we became friends after the maidan, we met after the maidan, the truth is, after the maidan, the boys went to fight in the ato, and

many from the public sector went to work reforms so we created a resuscitation package of reforms, then it got to the ministry, and then all those things related to reforms , in parallel with this, the guys returned from the ato, and then we already understood each other, because on the maidan itself, we had interesting discussions about how to properly make a revolution in at that time, i had an understanding of non-violent protest . the guys said that it is ineffective because the government behaves. it was and you know how it convinced me that we had a very interesting discussion on december 1, 2013, where are you graders and so on

? character and they say, look, you have such a vision of the revolution, it is strange for us, they beat you the day before yesterday, and now you are telling us that we should not do justice by throwing stones at them and so on, i say gentlemen, well, it is not effective, here is the experience of india of non-violent protest well, this is discussion 1 december, oh, there at the bank, you can imagine one in balaklava, the other convinces him of something, but then i made an interesting observation that these people, despite everything , because i agree with their methods , because i had a vision that non-violent protest is more effective, but they discuss with me well, how do you understand then, if they wanted to do me any harm , the police definitely could not. instead, we discussed with them, and of course he says look at your vision, as it should be in mine

yours doesn't bother me, i say well, who would stop you again with me, that's how we met them, well, in fact, it was the first contact , and what you say was already convinced when the draconian laws came out for me and for a person who was in favor of non-violent protest, then that was all it is clear that our two months of demands to the authorities to do justly punish those who are guilty of beating students who are guilty of all those things that happened in the first months of the maidan, the persecution of aunty protesters and so on, you will punish them, that was instead of our demand, they came out with laws that went down in history as draconian and even then on hrushevskyi. these guys ran with shields and threw molotov cocktails . everything is probably a touch to the portrait of your evolution as a warrior, because in the end, this chain of events probably

led you to where you are now . by the way, as i understand from your history, you are already on the front of a great war, you were originally a medic in the company of honor well, that's how i look at it now you are an aerial scout, but also quite recently the honor company released a video of a close-range shooting battle e under bakhmut and you took part there e let’s go. what are you doing now in your company? you asked several questions at once. i try to answer them very concisely. got in i got in the role of a medic that is, directly a few weeks before the start of the war, the guys used to come to lviv er . we love lviv. i live in lviv. they come and we have a very good time in this wonderful city before the war. discussions will not begin will not begin and as you remember, this is already n attraction

of the fact that they will attack , this is already n more than once that they will attack . the war is true, guys, the evening before the start of a full-scale invasion, they tell me to go because it will begin. in the morning, i was then a consultant to a respected international medical organization. to war she hasn't started, she says, well, let's start, let's go, because you will catch up in the morning, the minimal one writes that hmm, he was on the maidan with a chain, do you remember such a man with a chain, he beat the bad police, he entered history under the name scorpion this is my close friend and he writes to me in the morning well what i told you, i quickly packed up and went to kyiv, that's how it started, despite the fact that there was supposed to be a meeting, but

no, well, the meeting just didn't take place, summing up what i would do if a full-scale invasion began, it was clear to me because i had friends, i understood that this was us and comrades in the war, now about what i was doing and how i got to the dugout with a machine gun, the beginning i am a combat medic , that is, in my opinion, an important medic . - but this combat unit has a certain specification, it is direct help on the battlefield by my comrades, but with this role, i entered the war for some time, it lasted for several months, i did everything that depended on

me so that the process of providing assistance on the field battle was organized as much as possible. well, accordingly, in order to minimize possible losses in the first months of the war, given the fact that any of our er operations were very carefully planned, er, by and large, i had no work. that is, as a medic, i i leave on combat duty, of course you think that this is it, even if nothing happened. we are returning from the combat zones, it didn't happen. i think phew. but on the other hand, you ask yourself a question with well , what is the benefit to you? the use of well that is, the mathematics of war, the more you destroy the enemies, the fewer the enemies destroy you, these are people who are dear to me, ingu, this is besides

the fact that he is a warrior, besides that, well, a ukrainian warrior , besides the fact that it is my job to save life and health, but that's the same him and his friends, respectively, they destroy the enemies, come on, but i will think about where i can help them. so i began to learn how to control a uav with my mother, and already from the end of may last year, i found such a use for myself, and so we fought, er, in this role, i fought until in the fall of last year, we were still in kupyansk as part of the special operations forces, i was a uav operator, this was my main specification with the background that i am a medic. that is, we went on missions, we conducted reconnaissance , we gave information to our comrades from other units, in particular, and they impressed

us. we found something. they planted the enemy there, and then the first thing that changed was that we became infantry, an interesting situation , because when we went on a combat mission i was still an uav operator, what does it look like, you get up in the morning, had breakfast, drank coffee, got into the car with my brother and drove to the position the sun is just rising and you pass by our forward positions where the guys from the trenches have come out to drink coffee and smoke cigarettes you pass by them they are dirty, tidy but dirty with dust and so on, then you fly all day in the evening , point the artillery, that's all that's after you go home, you arrive near the same positions and you go there where there is a shower, dinner in the microwave, i was conscientious in front of them, and then the guys used

me even under bachmut to the bone in the swamp near me, four russian corpses in the dugout after you arta works all day and you are attacked, he hesitates from morning to evening. well, what a moralist. and now i’m really not. no, i’m actually proud of the fact that i became an infantryman, because there was great respect for the infantry when we worked in the sso, and now it’s just me felt how it is and i am proud that i can look these people in the eyes and say that gentlemen, you then gave us the opportunity to prepare for today , because if it were not for those guys who carried the russian summer on their shoulders then, they would have destroyed

the russian elite last year then we would now could not do what we are doing and this is a huge debt to them, a huge debt, let's talk a little about the battle that i mentioned , here you are on youtube. you and your comrades entered the nearby rifle battle with the russians, and frankly speaking, i have a lot of questions about this battle a lot well, the first thing is very primitive in general, is it possible to be ready for such a collision , to see the enemy so close, and you have to be ready if you want to stay alive , if you want to complete the task, that's why it's about honor and da vinci battalions in general, how does it happen, you either fight or train because you need it, when this situation happens, you know, you get scared later when you watch the video. you are scared when this whole story happens, you are just doing the work, this is a similar story with my medical practice when you have a difficult child but in

it works for you, it's just a system, an algorithm for performing actions, and then when you've solved the problem, your hands start to shake because, well, it's just that it was dangerous . similarly, it works in a situation where the danger concerns you, well, it's just that skills that i have had since my practice, that is, but to perform the algorithm you must know the algorithm to perform the algorithm well you must repeat the algorithm repeatedly in training conditions, now with regard to the combat itself, fortunately, such battles do not happen often because, according to the configuration , when the assault group approached of the dugout, those who are in the dugout with a high probability of death, this position is called zhmur, why is it a mur, because when we stormed that position

, hmm, there we destroyed several enemies and they stayed there and stayed not because they didn't want to get everyone out of there, but simply because you can't do it physically, because you were constantly shelled, then snow fell, then the whole thing melted and they actually already stayed there, well, i'm sorry, i don't even know to say buried thanks, but there was not the slightest possibility to get them from there. and this became our advanced position. there were difficult events around that position, and we occupied it, repelled it, then occupied it again, and when we had already established ourselves in these positions, we did not let the enemy reach positions, in fact, what is the biggest risk when you are there, artillery shelling, they constantly introduced the art of shelling our

positions when you are in the dugout, so you are in a certain, well, in a certain safety, well, that is, you still have bars above your head and it is you it also saves from fragmentation, and even when we hit it directly there, it happened right in the middle, most likely it was mine on the 120th , it hit it, it did not penetrate, but sooner or later, if they are already working on the position, if it is shot, it will be destroyed that is, physically will destroy, that is, the first is artillery fire, the second danger is the greatest danger, and if the assault group approaches the dugout directly, because what is a dugout, it is a pit covered with beams, and if you are in that pit safe from artillery fire , then you

in extreme danger when the assault group approached the entrance and took the exit from the dugout under fire control. in other words, you will not go out to fight and they will simply throw grenades there, we stormed this position like that, and in the battle that you saw, this situation happened. literally two words to say the prerequisites before that, we held the defense in this position for several weeks in a row, they were doing artillery training, and after that their infantry was moving, you can say, they were carrying out assault actions, but they looked, you know, like a very slow movement of people on landing. and this fire and we systematically destroyed them. they made from 2-3 to eight assaults

per day in each assault, but in each they lost at least a few fighters killed, respectively , this zhmur became like this for them . well, i don't know, well, the place where they buried their dozens of our soldiers, we simply did not let them in due to which we managed to do this due to which in military affairs it is called situational awareness, that is, we always have our eyes in the sky, we have constant eye contact with the commander and we have constant contact of the commander with others by the commanders. that is, it is not a meeting. the commanders met in advance and decided something. and this is in real time. the commanders understand what is happening around them, communicate with each other, make decisions, and i, as a fighter

directly there at the position, have constant communication with my commander. this is how it works. works as a single complex, and when it works as a single complex, for weeks we simply repeated their approach . what happened that day, the enemy changed . this is what it looks like. it was not wagner. it was then the next day we made a hypothesis that it was already a different opponent. because they fought differently, differently, not comparable, differently, because the way they fought, their only strong point is their firepower, they just , they just die your own, too, and you have a choice. well, you don't have an option

how to destroy it, that is, no, they don't go, people go, you destroy them, they go, they go again. and they acted much more professionally. what happened from the view from the drone, we saw that the nature of their actions was different. first of all, they worked very precisely in our dugout, and then our comrades died from a direct hit , but it was just a hit in the side beam. the mine pierced this beam, and the video shows where do i come in and i run in there, even on the video there is this explosion where i say this oh, he raises his head that's why this explosion i didn't know then that it was a hit, i come running to the dugout and see that there were bars well , this bar is just broken he asks what happened,

do you remember he is unintelligible he came there with the rules, this is such a boy, well, the lvivians well, from their history and i, what did they aim at, and after artillery training, they very quickly began assault actions, but not after landing, they dispersed into two groups, in addition, they also did so that we did not could see the battlefield they used smoke there and we did not see this maneuver when they ran to me the information that i received through the walkie-talkie that the enemy is from the right side and this can be seen on the video where i look to the right, i turn my head and see that he has already run, all this is already the situation in the battle plan, this is the situation is already critical. and here he throws a grenade at me, it was his fatal mistake in russian, because he had a grenade in his hand without an er, accordingly, he clearly ran with that

grenade to throw it into the dugout, but they did not calculate that we during that time held this one position, we still dug an exit from the other side, and because of this exit, the fighter on the call sign just did it. well, i say that he played achilles better than achilles would have done , because in fact this battle dragged out quietly. it was his maneuver, we did not agree with him. he made the decision himself, seeing what was happening, that they were already at the dugout, he understood that this exit was the main exit, he understood that he would not get out of it because they are holding this exit under fire by fire control, he jumps out from behind me, runs out brosferi, there is a video that destroys four of these in that story, my

role, well, i don’t know, if you take the architepova, this is the diameter, that is, the task of gandalf is to help the hero do his job, but the heroes of this battle are quiet. and i also had a nose and the bomb, we helped him do it. that is, it is a battle. quietly. and i just want to finish it, because it is important. such people write fantasy about them in books. then , well, a bunch of journalists. the government, it’s possible with you. he asked for a company film of our commander. family of serhiy filimonov in kyiv, well, he's a jester the branch says it's possible, well, i, well, as journalists, that is, a person now, well, he didn't just play achilles, he embodied it with his actions, that's it, here's to you , fanfare, copper pipes. well, there's no need for that, he went to his family, it's just me, why are such people

, er, i want i want to ask you at the very end about how you assess everything that is currently happening around bakhmut, because you and i are recording this conversation against the background of the statements of the founder of the pvk wagner prigozhina that the wagnerites will allegedly leave bakhmut and leave it for regular russian troops and, in principle, we are witnesses of a public conflict between the wagnerites and the russian ministry of defense and the general staff. how do you, as people who defend these positions, accept these statements that we are doing our job well? well, believe me, during the time that we were there, the number of firemen became fundamentally smaller. do you believe in the fact that the wagnerites can really leave these positions, you know. that's what i don't understand. i 'm an expert in something

. in something i more or less understand. insanity, that's what i mean. look at this. millions of people are in the configuration of a state where they are driven to slaughter. i don't understand what the idea is for. now the question is, there are some absolutely strange characters for me and all of them are very well . this is some kind of kingdom of darkness and there between them there are some people impersonating something else, something else, this is a story in which i simply do not understand, to be honest, i would not like it well , then i will ask another way, as a last question , will it change anything for you if you are in these positions there will be no wagners as a subterfuge, we will destroy the cadres or their infantry or paratroopers, whoever comes

here with weapons, he will be destroyed, or what difference does it make, wagner, is this not new, what strength do you have to stand there for a while, well, we will destroy everyone who came here with weapons, if on it will take six months, six months of fighting, five years of fishing, five years of hunting, until the last of them goes abroad , internationally recognized ukrainians, we will destroy them oleksandr, i suggest that

i put three dots on this, i sincerely thank you for this they do not negotiate with the enemy, they destroy it, protect their own marines were never always marines universal warriors who operate from sea, air and land who know exactly what it is to lead , fight and win. glory to the marines of the naval forces of the armed forces of ukraine today we live in a lot of pain and even more great love lives under a medical gown , a fire-resistant suit, a volunteer vest , a petticoat, a plate-carrying apron, and under a green fleece jacket. ukraine cannot be divided

, because it is sewn together by a strong thread of love that runs through everyone until today is the achievement of the defenders and defenders. all this is thanks to you. thanks to you. it is very difficult for me to speak in censorious language about the ministry of veterans affairs due to the fact that for the last year they have not been heard at all . i am very sorry that such an institution is currently practically inactive. congratulations on the first channel of public broadcasting good day, i'm also glad