[000:00:00;00] exactly what kind of victims god does not give and whether ukraine should still take some kind of operational pause so that this minimum of weapons has at least turned into well, if not to the maximum, then at least to enough weapons , please . that in fact, with all due respect to general budanom, he is actually in charge of the introduction of hostilities in ukraine, although the contribution he says is, of course, colossal, these processes are now talking about the preparation of the spring- summer, and maybe even the spring-autumn is an operation that will be carried out by the armed forces in several directions and there will be us too. well, offensives and counteroffensives and the enemy and in various aspects that will affect the entire mosaic of long-term combat operations, when we talk about counteroffensives, we make such a systematic mistake by reducing everything to some

short-term actions it won't be like that, and that's why right now the military clearly understands that what is suitable for planning and training units is now of decisive importance . the issue of preparation for the interaction of brigades, their dispersion, the ability to interact one brigade with a brigade, and this must be done in conditions when the enemy is also watching our actions , trying to track our reserves , striking with missiles, arming with certain places of deployment of our troops, our reserves. that is, the preparation process is really difficult, but in any case, we understand that the potential of ukraine to conduct e-e activities in the format of this offensive operation, we are talking about at least 12 brigades that have already been formed, to which additional here we are talking about the brigades of the ministry of internal affairs, that is, in fact, the potential that is being formed for

conducting offensive actions is significant, but no army in the world has yet conducted offensive actions, having such a dispersed fleet of weapons, e.e., different logistics systems, and in conditions when in fact the enemy is separate sections of the front, when we talk about the zaporizhia direction, in particular , made maximum efforts to create engineering e-e structures for protection and in conditions when it is necessary to carry out actions that actually although it is discussed that this is a multi-domain operation but conducts an operation with the minimal participation of aviation because here they were called to some headquarters there so serious that even access to teach the ukrainian army something in preparation for this offensive so we are actually now creating a new practice ourselves that will be tested on the battlefield practice always has positive and negative moments, and there will be a need to draw conclusions from our

offensive actions in the course of the spring and summer campaign, so i think the task is extremely complex, and if we measure there by one indicator when we advance or when we don't advance, i think that we make such a mistake without knowing all the complexities of the details that are currently being decided by the general staff, mr. serhii, well, in conclusion, briefly. maybe we will even show a video now in melitopol, the russians dismantled there is a memorial complex with the bratske cemetery tank t -70 and well, they say that they took it for restoration. this is what it looked like. it was dismantled, but it can be seen that the tank is in a fairly good condition and it can be painted. look at the brand new tank and local local sources write about it. that the tank can be sent to leningrad or to st. petersburg , as it is now called, in order to change its combat unit there , it can take part in hostilities later on the russian-ukrainian front, a tank of 42-43 years of production, is it possible to use the t-70 at all

now in modern combat operations, well, are these just our fantasies? what do you think? well, let's go. well, don't push everything to the point of absurdity. we understand that now the enemy really takes it as a basis there there actually two weeks four what in uh what um actually e-e was used even after the second world war of world war i and which were actually now compensating for the lack of russian military equipment on the battlefield, tanks from monuments, of course, the situation for the enemy does not change, we understand that now, in fact , the anti-tank means that are in ukraine allow these tanks to be destroyed quite effectively, even using them for this, we recently saw a video when there is talk about the accumulation of the latest russian t-90 tanks , it is carried out in tarhamer, and actually these combat vehicles are becoming scrap metal, so

i think that now the hunt for the russian powerful tanks, which are the newest in the arsenal army, will be continued, and i think that this component is actually related to various models of armored weapons in russia, it will be further filled with various systems, both new and old, but the reason here is to work on upgrading our systems regarding the possibility of destroying russian iron, the director of the information consulting campaign defense express is in touch with the studio and has already waited for us ivan varchenko, an expert on the name of the heat good day good day glory to ukraine and ee once again kyrylo budanov said that ukraine is ready to launch a counteroffensive

. we have the necessary minimum amount of weapons and our people have already waited in the occupation. this cannot continue like this anymore. us when there is a large number of occupied territories when the length of the front is extremely large well and so on and so on and so on i am asking for what kyrylo budanov laid down i am not ready to say what exactly he thinks there the necessary minimum is clear that there are certain calculations on how many forces and means should be used in one or another part of the front to carry out one or another type of military activity, whether offensive or defensive. accordingly, we understand that for the offensive there must be specific technical means, technical capabilities, additional fire capabilities, the depth of the fire impact, and , of course, the number of personnel who will be able to enter the breakthrough, expand it accordingly and, if possible, work out

the second and third linear lines of defense and accordingly, it is possible to enter the operational spaces and gain a foothold, and therefore here, each tactical task involves its er , its means, its forces, which must be involved in this, we understand that this is indeed the area of ​​the front, a huge, large, er, large area of ​​the ukrainian-russian border that is currently controlled not only border guards, in which representatives of other defense forces of ukraine, including the armed forces of ukraine, are now also involved, and in addition to the 1,300 km of the dnieper land area , the immediate front of the front line, we also have the black sea

the black sea zone, which also needs control, and of course, the territory of a russian vassal , everything in the so-called transnistrian zone must also be controlled by our defense forces, of course, this requires various types of forces that are used there. blows and the strength of our blows that can be applied in one place or another. and the fact that we have a minimum means that we have enough strength to start in one direction or another, mr. ivan, once again returning to the issue of the minimum, we still talked a lot about planes, now this issue, at least in the context of a political decision , seems to be moving from a certain dead point . ap borel gave a little wishful thinking and said that the ukrainian military is already starting training on the f-16 our air force command said

to take our time, of course, preparatory work is being done, but it is not yet training . it would be difficult to imagine these fighters, for example, crimea returned to ukraine, where it is occupied by the russians, but we also understand that our partners did not sit idly by and hand over something to us, uh, they were donor planes so that we could put them in order what, in principle, we have in the aircraft fleet and there were probably some other options that we will learn about after the war how important is the aviation component that we just talked about in the conditions of a large-scale counteroffensive and how much do you think it really is now

secured is important, no matter how we talk about the minimum, there are excellent offensive conditions, we understand what we want and we ask the question that we should be fully secured, we do not have a deficit in any direction of military activity that in any direction of repelling those threats that can be expected from the russians, and when we understand that the russians, for example , use their aircraft to drop on our positions, uh, winged bombers, we understand that the most effective way to destroy these carriers of winged aerial bombs is ukrainian planes, modern planes that will be able to achieve russian goals, and today the fleet of planes that is in ukraine is some, it consists mainly of snakes and, of course, it is not enough , plus the fact that these are planes of previous generations, and so even when we say that there is enough

for since the beginning of the offensive, we have the means, we constantly talk about the effectiveness of our offensive actions, about the maximum effectiveness , and we say that we will compensate for the insufficiency of one or another type of weapons, of course with blood and uh, in our defense forces and what we will release to defend our land , regardless of how much we have , fully enough, incompletely enough, the minimum will be clear, and we have proven it more than once. zhytomyr oblast, kharkiv oblast, and the territory of kherson oblast, the leading battles were, again, with absolutely minimal capabilities at the first stage of the war and , of course, exhausting these capabilities at other stages of the war, when it was necessary to maintain

a serious defense against the forces of the enemy who did not i counted no from the projectile to me with the use of manpower, as we saw it in the fall, winter and spring of this year, there is a lot of direct talk about airplanes when we talk about aviation, but for some reason, it seems to me a little unfair that we omit er, somewhere in parentheses, we take out, for example, helicopters, and to be honest, if we had eh in a certain amount well , let’s say some apaches, it is possible to introduce our operations on the contact line er, we are talking about this in particular and in the light of the black-on-duty destroyed russian k-52 alligator, i don’t know how successful the machine is, aviation experts and er, my er let’s put it this way, my friends, military experts say that this is such a story, it’s all a joke and not too

effective . the car, nevertheless, what do we have and what do the russians have and how important is it? well, of course, every piece of equipment is important, a russian 52 chic helicopter, it burns beautifully in the ukrainian steppes, as we saw it from the first days of the great war, when they burned beautifully on the gostomel litovitch, now our representatives of the defense forces continue to destroy them with variable periodicity. i would say of course. well, this gives us reason to say that this is a more or less good aircraft for the work of our anti-aircraft defense or a helicopter , as for our helicopters, we remember that we received from our western partners, in particular, france , germany, from time to time we received several

helicopters, helicopters that are mainly used not for security purposes. yes, but not in battle order not in battle order in battle order the ukrainians are using the post-soviet helicopters that we have left now i wouldn't say that it is an extremely effective means it is difficult to use because for this we need to work out the front line very seriously so that we were to some extent guaranteed from the lack of effective anti-aircraft means of the enemy there, the plane is another story and the ability , the distance and range of the fire impression is much higher, much more, and of course we value our fighters, unlike the russians who are capable within the limits of one attack, they calculate that nothing will happen, that half of them will die. the main thing is that the other half there is firing from the cinema, its own weapons, then we do not

work like that, and of course we understand that we are using effective means now with fire fighters. so, well, but there where the front line allows where our control over this front line allows, ukrainian helicopters usually work and give a positive result and especially raise the morale of our fighters , mr. ivan, questions about belarus, a few questions for oleksandr lukashenko measured after on the eve of his illness, he convened a meeting of some state agency, the belarusians distributed his quote quote what about the novirus or what was there? what about the novirus, nothing , since i didn’t have the opportunity to be treated , all this accumulated, that’s why i’m not going to die. guys, you are still suffering with me will be for a very long time - said lukashenko how long will we suffer lukash and lukashenko and in your opinion this story with the placement of nuclear weapons on the territory of belarus will be finalized or

not on july 1, the russians promised to complete the storage to place tactical nuclear weapons there well, but it is true that when lukashenko disappeared from the tv screens and they started talking about his probable death, for example, the people around lukashenko said that the issue of nuclear weapons has not yet been finally resolved and therefore it is still very, very early to talk about the placement with the return of lukashenko, how will the attitude of the official authorities change, especially towards russian nuclear weapons on the territory of belarus, i am asking. i am sure , as well as you, that lukashenko would like to become completely different there, even though it is not him ilya will save it. but at the same time, i reject the illusion and understand that he remains the same henchman of the dictator who understands that he has put an end to his own future and is now trying to put an end to the future of the belarusian people and the belarusian people again, it is their choice whether to continue living with lukashenka, will they try to break out of the arms of the russian er-e russian tyranny and

try to build their own european country , and the location of nuclear weapons is directly related to this, of course, the weapons that are pulling russia the day before yesterday, because russian nuclear weapons do not bring even a hint of security to belarus. rather, they entail huge threats in the places where these weapons are located and political and geopolitical threats for the future , so lukashenko will continue his activities aimed at destroying together with the russian with the russian state and the belarusian people, and the russians will conduct their policy through their vassal, and therefore the choice is only for the belarusians in this case. thank you, mr. ivan, for this inclusion e-e this was ivan varchenko, an expert on national security issues and

a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine. now the next guest is joining us , and this is yehor chernev, people's deputy of ukraine . mr. igor, congratulations, glory to ukraine. good day, mr. igor. well, the nato parliamentary assembly called to speed up the provision of aviation to ukraine in particular, fighter jets, what is the time perspective of obtaining new western aviation for ukraine , tell me about it, please, it is difficult to predict any specific terms because, after all , there is also the issue of pilot training and the question is still the transfer to us. but i think that it is absolutely possible to get the first planes in six months, in six months to get our training pilots ah, yes , such basic training will be very, very compressed because we do not have much

time and normal retraining takes 1.5-2 years but at the same time our boys and girls our officers have already proven that they can shorten the training period by two to three times as it was, for example, the petriv system regarding the transfer of the planes themselves there is also question and the preparation of bases for their maintenance on the ground in ukraine and the transfer of these , and of course the repair of the base there will also take several months, exactly, that is, what if such a cautiously optimistic forecast i think that somewhere in six months maybe we will receive we have the first such well and official several comments deliveries in 16 to ukraine are a priority for the usa they are planned to start in the nearest places statements about this the minister of the air force from saffronkendal the transfer of aircraft in ukraine takes several

months after that they will be placed on the territory of ukraine, but pentagon spokesman patrick ryder is literally now a little bit like that. he corrects this information. the supply of f16 fighters is part of long-term agreements , so you should not expect that ukraine will receive these planes before the start of the counteroffensive. to be honest , they really counted on me for this. but it's good that at least some prospects are now being outlined, that's what i want to say, mr. yehor. by the forces of western technology, and to be honest, this is the upgrade that we succeeded in the context of our armament, it will be important to preserve it even after our victory in this episode of the war with the russian federation in the episode of large-scale authorization so that this does not happen again and does not become easy for the russian federation let's say with such a light

memory, we need to understand that on our weapons and not receiving our armed forces for the maintenance of all our desired ff-16 aircraft and other weapons, we have in the future to spend significantly more than spent before the large-scale invasion and even possibly more than we spend now, because we will not be able to constantly count on the financial support of our partners mr. igorevych , are any calculations currently being carried out on the site of the ukrainian parliament , how much from the gdp to the example of ukraine, we will allocate in the future specifically for obtaining our defense capacity, this it cannot be less than three percent, as was obvious before , but it cannot be 60% of our budget as it is now, and here it is still necessary to distinguish

er, a country that is waging a war and a country that is building its defense in peacetime, this will be a much smaller percentage of the budget, but it is also quite significant, and this is exactly what we are talking about with our partners. and when we talk about security guarantees before our accession to nato, between with our victory and joining nato, we should receive security guarantees from countries that will volunteer to be such guarantors, and among the list of such guarantees we have financing and investment in our defense-industrial complex and direct assistance to our army to she was capable of fighting and the training of our fighters on a permanent basis in ukraine, outside of ukraine, according to nato standards and direct financial rights, financial aid and sanctions against russia, what halls should

remain, that is, this complex, which just so happens, includes those guarantees security that we are talking about, but they should not replace our nato members , this is such a transition period until we become nato members and after we end this war , our victory, a number of them, well, a couple of words, i wanted you to say about the conflict that arose between the heads of the foreign ministries of germany and hungary reported this the day before, the american publication politico e. the minister of foreign affairs of germany and hungary, analina bermudta - it is worth it, quarreled during the meeting of ministers in brussels due to the hungarian blocking of aid to ukraine, according to the politician, the reason for the dispute was the role of the hungarian bank otp in the war with russia against ukraine in recent days , the bank has been in the center of attention of officials because hungary refuses to approve

eu aid for ukraine until kyiv will exclude otp from the list of sponsors of the war when siat confirmed the position of hungary during a meeting behind closed doors, berbek answered him, she presented a message that otp bank recognizes russia's occupation of donetsk and luhansk regions and also provides credit lines to the russian military. what do you know about this story? well, in general, what is the prospect of blocking hungary. this country will remind the european union and nato of any, in particular , military aid for ukraine from the european union . what's new from hungary, er, their policy towards ukraine is still the same, you know , russian a-a, which hinders us and has hindered us before, do you remember that last year they also blocked 18 billion in aid from the european union for this year for ukraine and in principle, this is just a manifestation of such blackmail in order to, er

, in order to bargain for something inside the european union , but this blackmail did not work here, then i think it will work now, because then just in response to this position of hungary blocked funding for hungary is from the european union, that's why they went for unblocking but i think that the tools will now be found how to unblock, this is the decision of the hungarian side , unfortunately, this is not the first case, unfortunately, this is the traditional policy of hungary, just blackmail within the european union, in principle within nato, our partners understand this and within nato as well they are looking for mechanisms how to overcome this is vyto in the future and now and what will happen then to hungarian business, well , in particular, to this bank otp well, he seems to have not only hungarian roots, but hungarian roots

including the one that still works in ukraine and is included in the list of war sponsors, as of today i have no information regarding the revision of approaches to the sanction a-a this is exactly the bank, just a few days ago the nato parliamentary assembly recognized russia's crimes against ukraine as genocide and how resonant is the decision to what extent its practical consequences will be felt already in the near future, we understand that first there was a word, first there was a consolidated position, and then all this is translated into real movements of support, in particular, this is absolutely true the political position of the nato member countries - of course, it is not a legal opinion, but i think that the legal opinion will also be accepted by the international criminal court, the political position gives more um , you know, it gives a pass by the national parliament

to further recognition in the national parliaments of countries of similar er-e similar sycophants and i think that countries will follow such a decision, this again gives the international criminal court more of an er basis for continuing these investigations. that is, we are putting pressure on the russian the federation from all sides is again very difficult. it seems to me that entering into business with a country that carries out genocide - this affects the companies that still remain in the russian federation and still have to leave, therefore there are many components that at the political level have consequences for the russian federation, sir igor well, i also wanted to ask you about lukashenka. lukashenko didn't die and said no, wait, conditionally. he said that i

'm not going to die yet. so, do we have an official line? we still haven't broken diplomatic relations. it seems that the republic of belarus and do we have a strategic vision of what to do with belarus in the future, i ask. belarus is actually such a proxy base , a military base of the russian federation, it is also a terrorist regime, the belarusian people's republic is headed by pseudo presidents, whose elections were not recognized by many countries. in our country we know that belarusians are fighting for us on the territory of ukraine , the belarusian battalion of kalinovsky, i think that these guys will be the main, you know, backbone of the future

of the future of belarus after the fall of the lukashenko regime, there is nothing to negotiate with him because he does not have any weight in decision-making , he is simply a vassal of the russian dictator putin, when putin's regime falls, then i think that his lukashenko well, i will say that zelenskyi met stepanovsky in germany during the ceremony of awarding the charlemagne international award in the 23rd year, you know briefly about well , they literally exchanged a few phrases , what was the topic, please, and they did not talk, i as far as i understand, it was not an official meeting - it was a meeting on the sidelines, hmm, what was talked about, unfortunately, i don't know, uh, i don't know what position it is. thank you yehor chernev, people's deputy of ukraine , deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence and the head of the ukrainian delegation

to the nato parliamentary assembly was in touch with us quite interesting information just before the news release, the president of turkey, recep tayyip erdogan and his party, announced that he refused restrictive measures against russia from the side of turkey will allow ankara to act as a mediator between russia and ukraine, again the topic of russian sanctions and support or non-support of ukraine is becoming a key topic in the political struggle of not the first country , we will definitely talk about it, but for now news on espresso on eva melnyk with us i congratulate my colleagues about the most important thing in a few moments , in particular, in this issue i will tell when the ukrainian military will start training on abrams and about the fact that the ethiopians of ethiopia and zanzibar have started to create their own applications