[000:00:00;00] he showed his strength he looks like a moron sorry ready they thought they were safe what i'll tell you and it 's really this is a bad situation because uh our troops we are forced to guard the entire border starting from the border with belarus and we are waiting for them in a circle they will attack the belgorod kursk oblast, i understand it, or not? well, it’s just an empty border. there are no troops there, they don’t have to keep troops there. i hope that maybe it will change, but maybe at least this situation will be that they will be forced stir up your troops, well, that's it. you see, this is a war that is being waged against our, our, our general staff. that is, we are making attacks inside, uh, well, in the rear

of the russian troops, in various places, they cannot understand where we are going to attack this breakthrough the russian rebels will really be forced to move their troops, that is, they have a single defense system to all levels of the front. we are starting to advance and move on our territory, because such serious movements are already beginning there, and this legion can, it is not a fact that it will leave waste, it can establish itself there and hold the defense there, and they must be there to conduct combat operations already on the territory of the russian federation. that is, well we see that our counteroffensive actions , which we all expected so much and were constantly told by our military and political, including leadership, that they will not look the way we would like it. well, maybe we would like it

maybe such a word is not very correct, which as we reigned, we planned to see , being in the standards of some films about the war, it will be exactly like this and it looks like this leads to the fact that the russians are starting to become organized somewhere they they don't understand what to do, where to move the troops, and this is an advantage, this is how they win, an advantage is gained, an advantage is gained in modern warfare, such as the tank ticks of the second world war or the cavalry attacks of the first world war, this is in the past, every war the next war is not the same as the previous one and it should not be. well, they say this russian proverb correctly, or is the general preparing for the last war, we will talk about it with you a little later . we just now have volodymyr nazarenko , senior lieutenant, deputy commander of the svoboda battalion, as part of the fourth operational brigade of the national guards of ukraine i congratulate you mr. volodymyr good day

studio good day viewers eh what is happening at the moment eh well we can't localize the point after all, our troops are not currently conducting combat operations in bahmut. we are now on the outskirts of bahmut. yes, i understand. in general, i can say more generally in the eastern direction what concerns bahmut . there really remains a maximally tense, maximally critical situation, as in all the way to the eastern front , that is, the enemy continues to try to advance, the enemy continues to try to attack in small groups , they continue to deliver artillery blows to the company at

this or that point in this or that direction, and even more force of defense as well where it is possible and where the strategic and tactical situation allows, where it is as safe as possible, they will also try to build, pass, er, release the positions lost there , impressions, populated areas, i.e., a very active struggle remains, combat operations have the greatest dynamics there, i.e., in principle, the front line is extremely tense, i repeat myself and uh, from a tactical and strategic point of view, the dynamics have not decreased in any way, because once again i repeat that the enemy and the defense forces are maximally used by all organizations the means of destruction uh, it’s like how to cover bakhmut’s flanks and this is what our army is doing , but tell me, i would like a little uh, well

, according to the events that are happening now uh from the 25th, he will be taken out of there and, accordingly, well, well, hand it over to someone , well, first of all, is it already obvious that they are taking out vladimir? the clown of the bunker grandfather well, in principle, no to his statements it is worth treating him because, in principle , there are elements of a dog. i hope that this one is not, well, i don’t know what he sounds like, a war criminal. and a scoundrel in general, his statements should be treated somehow. mercenaries and a social element that they are trying to dispose of as much as possible and no one wants to take them out, give them some kind of

respite in some of the rear territories of the occupying country, because these are all social elements that are dangerous for the street who will start exploding grenades somewhere somewhere, cooking, stealing, cutting, screaming, they fought there, but society , society, the occupiers, this was not enough to accept it, there was little understanding, that is, the analogue of such bathing in fountains, with broken bottles on the head, with broken windows, defeats, beatings, everything else . that is, we have to understand perfectly that these social elements do not belong to a--and in fact to a private company, they simply used them under such a sticky sticker window, but their zno, that is, the command of the occupier, is primarily aimed at

has their disposal for them the lives of their cheap soldiers are much cheaper than ammunition than armored vehicles well uh in your area now who do you face more with wagner in this or uh there should have been some regular forces what we see but again well, the dynamics are very tense and when we see the enemy there , we often wonder who it is, what is the enemy , why is he armed? and the same the task is to neutralize as much as possible the enemy who came with weapons to our holy ukrainian land, to destroy, to destroy and to capture, tell me, uh, on your part of the front, are the russians more on the defensive ? are they trying to advance, but are they trying to lead? they threw, they threw, they threw new assault groups, is this how it is now, or are they somehow? now it’s a little

different. well, i would not like to focus a certain amount of attention there on any specific part of the front, generally in the eastern direction , i repeat, the dynamics are very tense and the enemy continues to use all the available military formations that he has mixed up in a chaotic order, they are trying to advance , that's why they throw and throw really like that, and they try to advance in small groups, that's why the dynamics are extremely extremely great , thank you, thank you, volodymyr, it was volodymyr nazarenko , senior lieutenant, deputy battalion commander freedom as part of the fourth brigade of the national guard of ukraine from under the bachmut well, oleksiy er-e this is oleksiy hetman we will continue the conversation mr. oleksiy ot er-e how are you do you think that this whole story with prigozhin's statements regarding the withdrawal of his forces from under the cave is pr, they will let him withdraw them

well, what are your predictions because, in principle, if they try to withdraw these wagnerites , how many of them are left there? this is such, i would say that this can be a favorable moment for our, well, for our offensive actions as well. because it will bring a little chaos at the right time, the most convenient time, well , including this when the enemy rotates and the old ones have already left and the new ones have arrived, but not yet a little bit, who knows the place, and there is some chaos. it really is the most favorable time to carry out offensive actions, because the enemy is facing the enemy at this time . remember, he said that he would withdraw his troops on may 10, and then he accused him of racial in the fact that we do not provide a certain number of shells and everything he needs to conduct hostilities, and he wanted to transfer the primary for the fact that it was not possible to advance on this part of the front, specifically to

someone, we will not go into detail there today, well, yesterday, and the day before yesterday, to be more precise, he managed to advance somewhere for some part of bakhmut, he made a detachment and announced that artemov was theirs. but they call our bakhmut completely freed, or rather captured, and putin liked it very much, and he promised to reward all people with state awards for skilled in combat well, this was an informational occasion for russian propagandists and to tell that everything is going according to plan, they continue to move and so on and so on, why was this necessary well, it's not difficult to understand here. he is perfectly aware that the advance on the flank will continue and the russians . well, they are already in a semi-autonomous or operational encirclement, says hanna , a boarding house painter, and from now on , the situation will only intensify and they will either have to withdraw troops from bahmut or not to take out, then they may

find themselves in complete encirclement, and why was it necessary ? here are these reports. the task, the task, and after that, they have the full legal, physical, and any right to lead the companies and withdraw the troops so that they can conduct themselves there . well, and so on, what happens after a certain combat task is completed ? performed and he really wants to do it quickly, maybe even now they are leaving, realizing that there will be a defeat around bakhmut, but the blame for this defeat will not fall on the beauty but on those people who went there, i don't think that this will be correct put on gerasim gucci's neck, and most likely on those commanders of brigades or even battalions who came here for, well, this

is a rotation. that is, they will be taken away. here, for some reason, prigozhyn's rotation is presented as a correspondence, he just wants to make a rotation and wants to do it in order to realize that soon there will be a defeat in this direction and that the fault lies with those people who entered after him , everything is so transparent here just if how do you know when the dust will sit, as they say, everything becomes very, very clear. well, by the way, it also seems to me that they just, well, prigozhin recorded it, literally decided, let's go on the 20th, we will announce that we captured bakhmut, they have by this time dragged some number of their journalists there and filmed them that is, there it was clear that they did not reach this fork where the plane is parked, they simply showed several flags on the houses somewhere there, well, that is, it is absolutely, as it were, an artificial event. yes, but

it is not clear that the ukrainian troops did not now they are trying to push further into the city, they are fighting defensive battles in the city, that is, they are retreating quietly because it is a completely different goal, after all, it is not so easy to capture , this goal actually takes time. well , it will take some time, it will not be instantaneous, but well, judging by the fact that the beauty just wants to get out of there and get out, after all, in the status of a person who has some profile from the warriors in bakhmut and there is no uh well, that is, he managed to disguise what he is there in essence uh well was defeated because he killed a bunch of people your victory is just that. well, you see, you summed yourself up very well. you say this very correctly, well, judging from this , this is the point. it was this one who tried to make a beauty , that's why he was so nervous lately. in order to somehow raise the degree of emotional perception of everything

, and now, well, he made a decision that they did not necessarily, uh, completely capture bakhmut , you can say that we completely captured it, and it went to putin, state awards, everything is fine he can return as a hero, even if, as president biden said, 100,000 people for this city , well, well, that’s right. it’s not worth it. it’s not worth it. it’s not worth it. it wasn’t worth such losses to take out the equipment that they did. that is, it turns out that it was not a military goal, but some other , maybe political or psychological or some other, well, now we see a destroyed place on video and it was really difficult for us to hold the defense in place, because the area is urbanized, to hold the defense is possible to build certain positions there, and it is extremely difficult to do this it is more difficult well, the same applies to the russians and inter will also be difficult - it will be difficult to get something there because of how we will act. you may know that there were talks about bakhmut capturing bakhmut because

the russians want to use it as a bridgehead for further movements there to cut our defense for of movement to er bigliman half to the north towards er ugledar to the south well, it seems that they had such plans. now we are talking about some sort of bridgehead, about some kind of pedal offensive , in general, we are talking about our troops on the dominant heights behind bakhmut, well, more than anything, the ravine have already built fortifications, fortifications, constructions, so that if the enemy tries to advance further, we will meet him, but he simply does not have the strength and means for this , so you see, it looks strange, let's remember that bakhmut was considered by the russians as a place that should be captured the first step for creating a bridgehead and further actions , they captured you. and where is the bird

? to move there to the kramatorsk slavyansk is all the merit of this long such defense of bakhmut, because you remember that they were then standing on the flanks until our troops on the flanks managed to start to rush them a little until this moment, this threat was, that is, if they simply withdrew their forces from bahmut well, we would have stayed like this in the time gap, but probably the situation would have been worse for the ukrainian army. there are still unsuccessful actions in certain areas of this direction, but we did not say anything about our armed forces, of course, all this did not turn out as planned by the russians, because they have some stupider problems there, because they met with our armed forces, who showed how we can conduct battles and

to maintain the defense and how motivated, plus, besides, we are already more and more equipped with modern weapons, besides, we are waging a modern war, if the russians are waging a so-called hybrid war against us, then we are waging a network war against them, it is also a hybrid war, but it is that it is possible with a smaller number of people in small groups to achieve very large victories and keep a very large territory under control, well, you know, let's look at the whole picture of the hostilities on the entire front, just a little bit , as if from above, eh, look, mr. oleksiyovych , let's increase the scale well, if you look at the general picture like this, the situation looks like this. well, our troops and russian troops are trying to probe vulnerable places there to conduct some such point actions . these actions are stopped, they tried to break through to pervomaisk constantly near avdiyivka. they are trying to arrange something. there

, near vugledar, they do not calm down in principle. also, our troops are also making some movements, but if you look at it all on a larger scale, it seems to me the main story that is happening right now is strikes on more distant bodies , that is, our troops are also trying to hit the logistics of some military bases there. warehouses and russian troops are trying to destroy our distant points. it seems to me that now the main point and the main balance of forces must be looked at in this context, i.e. what do we have for long-range strikes what do the russians have for long-range strikes and how do they resist it ? i am sure that they are doing it in order to destroy some of our military facilities or some concentration of troops, because we are again, we are a little different

tactics, i love the movement of whiskey in general. they are trying to terrorize the local the civilian population is ours in order to somehow undermine the morale inside the country so that it somehow has a negative effect on the morale of our cities well, this is such a goal not to destroy something significantly, we are not capable of the same well, we are not capable of that which already has a very very powerful i think it is the most powerful during air defense in europe yes, for sure and if not in the world because well, what else will destroy almost 100% of air targets moreover, it is not only chess for the summer with a propeller this is carlson this

modern missiles are very very expensive, and we are inferior even to daggers, they say that even with the caliber of h1 50055 - it is , believe me, very modern, very powerful missiles. well, we don't have such opportunities for targets as for mr. laying down in us. every projectile is taken into account. that is, we do not shoot fields where it will fly, where it will fly, everything is calculated, and these shots must be extremely accurate and so far destroy our long-range missiles, including winging and something information, we hear me, but the shadow storm is six, did we send them those missiles, it’s not a question, it’s just that the russians report that they shot it down, well , they say, but they don’t, well, they don’t , well, just words, and our missile, it reaches , reaches the goal, and well, we use not in such a quantity like the russians. we simply don't have such a stockpile, and we don't need to, well, the main thing is not to compete, who has more missiles, then you 're a better competition in who can reach, reach. that's why nobody's weapons have

a certain methyl, but we reach the russians, no. and what we destroy is -e objects in that it is so so start it like this is what offensive actions are doing. well, this is a logistics center, warehouses with ammunition and fuel and lubricants, well, the paints are falling apart. by the way , the storm. what is there in the technical and technical characteristics that, among other things, it can be used to destroy bridges? that is, it is simply written in it like that. technical characteristics of this missile. that is, i understand that it will be correct when our troops will need somewhere in the local city, literally at the moment of the offensive, when it is necessary to block their logistics. then it will be relevant, then we will see this application, it can be completely destroyed when the time comes, we, well, it is normal, people are in the back , but sitting.

it was quick to kill everyone there literally in a week, but well, at the general staff he better understands what needs to be done and everything will be done in a timely manner. this is the way the russians attack, they attacked during the day and in such a way, now i see that the attack takes place mainly at night here , what is the idea, oh well, you know why they are trying to attack at night well, shaheda, we can understand because they are martyrs well, they are monitored by radio action stations, but again, it is not a secret that she is visually observation posts and there is a mobile group that you consider glass with small arms from machine guns to be moved for a specific

competition and the shakadas that fly and below, we lead everyone, maybe they think that at night we don’t have night vision devices, we can see more well, what are they in their heads, well, that ’s such a question, well, crackers are not for me for psychiatry well, yes, somewhere more or less and say something like that, well, you all, we we are discussing and waiting for what will happen with the f16 planes, today there was a message from the pentagon that the next meetings there will still be about the supply yes yes yes yes most likely yes and then the question arises and when can they appear already as a force on the battlefield that it will happen, for example, until september. but i think that until august 24, it will be necessary to stay. because our uh, well, look, uh, they say that our pilots can master this plane very well, because they are certain skilled specialists, well, they are our guys

, i'm sorry, it's already been a year conduct combat operations on not very comfortable planes, let's say not very comfortable, and achieve certain advantages , that is, we know how to fly, that is, the problem is that it is necessary to master the instrument panel of this aircraft, so that you know something, where and what corresponds to this to use a weapon that may be newer for him and that's all and a pilot can fly and can fly if a person knows how to fly, well, excuse me, drive on some coin developed there, it won't be difficult for him to drive a mercedes, well, we understand that. that is, directly, piloting is the ability to drive our boys have a plane, well, it means that he still has a level to master. well, what is in this plane, and i will use it as efficiently as possible, i do not think that this will take a long time, and there were talks about 18 months, well, most likely, this is for people

who don't know how to fly at all, but for our khasi, well, i think she said four , four months, but i have the impression that it will be, well , twice as many chips, the last number was met , it sounded like four months literally now, but since the actual training itself will begin right now, right now i i think when these real trainings begin, then it will be possible to say exactly how long it will really take. back in the 13th year, in the 12th year, these planes arrived , well, now they are located, tell me where and conducted joint training, our pilot had already flown on they tried these planes, that is, the guys are standing somewhere and waiting for you to get on the plane, and then they are already there and there are simulators that are almost no different from a real flight, and they have already flown on these planes. well, why ?

that we have some people waiting in line. that's why they're going to fly into the legend in 16 so that if you look at it, no one has seen such a plane, you know, it's like a miracle. yes, i agreed , it's a good plane. the guys have already flown on these planes and, er, tried these planes, there were trainings and the united states, which is in europe and many other things. even before the start of the russian-ukrainian war in 14th year, these planes flew to ukraine and there were compatible trainings, the guys flew on these planes. squadrons for everything to become a combat unit, we need to fly, we need to fly in pairs in fours to, well, work out how to act, yes, for this, we need training , let's support zf 16, that's right, a little bit, no, no, the information does not correspond to reality, well, look, then such a picture emerges if we already see the prospects of getting airplanes somewhere, and there is still a certain amount of time before that, i am asking, however

, to prepare some places somewhere there , to refinish some warehouses there or there, logistics routes the russians are preparing something there, it is clear that the russians will not waste all this time either. they are trying to take out the ukrainian air defense system with all these strikes, and well, we just see that the main purpose of their dagger strikes now was to destroy the patriot and they do not hide it it is clear that they are trying to destroy the ukrainian air defense system, for which we also understand, and there is also such a nuance, the russians are now very visible, they have a very large campaign to recruit a contract army. they are trying to recruit a contract army to bring it up to a million and 500 people. contract workers

in the last uh-uh months to recruit 100 , it seems 17,000 there is something like that number or 170,000 was heard forces to also organize something like that. is it more force to protect , for example , the same belgorod region and kursk region ? we are following this, but these are very, very serious events, and i think that the russians will send not only the police there, but also the regular police, the national guard, regular units, and there is no place to take them. well, there are 1.5 billion brothers, there is no place where they will take them. well, this well, even the riflemen say that in order to ensure direct control of these territories, the russian rebels are not feeling too bad, let's say it's soft, then they have to remove the front line, they don't have any reserves, they didn't say

what they could add in order to there to control their territories in order to take some actions in some areas there, eh, a gravelly voice, lord, the minister of defense of great britain said that according to estimates, 97 armies of the russian federation are on the front line, he eh didn't have any reserves that they can use everything they have, they are now fighting against us in order to suppress this rebellion, let's say so, the russian tv station "svoboda", then they need to remove people from the front line once again, not because they don't want to use the reserves which they have there, as if they have, and because they simply do not have any reserves , everything that is not is all mine against us. that is why all the talk about what they signed to the contractor well, let them sign, they planned to recruit another

400,000 people. for this, they went several by the ways, let's first - these are contract workers, secondly, these are prizes, thirdly, this is imprisonment , and fourthly, this is putin's order that a person who is ready to take up arms to fight against ukraine can receive russian citizenship, that is, the demand to attract foreigners for these elections, they are on that's enough for migrants, that's good, thank you. it was oleksandr hetman, a reserve major, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, by the way, ben volos , whom mr. hetman mentioned already in kyiv, but serhiy will tell you about it if he wants to rudenko, he continues to work on the air of the espresso tv channel