[000:00:00;00] er, other conversations and conversations are in the language of multimatums, because this is what happened until february 24, 2022, er, there was stimulation in russia for aggression after that, finally , the west must conclude that they were wrong, that they need to change their approaches, they need to make a tough decision regarding what will remain of this so-called russian federation and then we will really start to change the world until this happens, there will be falls in the circle p vladimir, let's go back to lukashenka, one piece of information that appeared yesterday referring to sky news, the belarusian position reported that oleksandr lukashenko was involved in the deportation of ukrainian children from the territory of the ukrainian state, there were

camps set up on the territory of belarus, and today the office of the prosecutor general of ukraine stated that this information the alleged role of belarusians in the forced transfer of children from territories occupied by russia is being investigated, and this means, mr. volodymyr, that mr. lukashenko can also receive an arrest warrant from the international criminal court or is it so, if it is proven that he directly participated in the organization of this crime, then definitely and i will tell you frankly, i am a little surprised by the passivity of the international criminal court after the step that was taken, which was absolutely fair and correct , you know there is a phase. well, i understand that the russians will now use all possible

means to intimidate the members of the iss, and we can already see this from all the decisions that are made there in moscow. the latest is about more than 60,000 crimes committed by russian troops on the territory of ukraine, and these crimes are obviously those that fall under the jurisdiction of the international criminal court, but so far , for some reason , the matter has not progressed beyond these two characters, and this is very it's sad because i have to translate now. in this regard, the conversation is also about the performers of those who press the buttons of the bombers who drop five-hundred meter kg bombs on civilian objects and so on and so on that is , including, by the way, the same lukashenka and

his publicists who, well, it is possible that they do not participate in these crimes, but contribute to all crimes, so i think that, in our legal, so to speak, part of our front , in the person of the ministry of justice and other structures, we need to somehow work more actively with our colleagues at the iss, it is probably more active to involve the prosecutor general's office in order to convince that, dear friends, it is good that you have taken the first step, but it should be followed by the second, third, fifteenth and 25th and so on, that is, don't be too ashamed of these to take further steps because there are grounds for vladimir putin himself, mr. vladimir, literally for the past few weeks there has been a discussion about whether he will be able to fly to the south african republic for the brics itself, which is to be held in august, and well, here

is of course a simple question , the south african public signed and ratified the rome statute and they want to see putin. of course, this is why the activity of the five leaders of african countries, who also addressed volodymyr zelenskyi to volodymyr putin with a request for negotiations on some kind of peaceful agreement that the russian federation and ukraine should conclude, is this trip to pretoria for vladimir putin, well, so demonstrative, and well, he already has to demonstrate that he absolutely does not like international law, as they think about the international tribunal and on all these warrants. what do you think, how will this story develop, well, taking into account that these peace initiatives from five african countries are very similar to the very

initiatives of moscow itself? friendship well, there, sergey, i think that during our previous part of the conversation, the answer to your question about whether putin will go there was already given. well, if even his heroes of russia are in quotation marks, he keeps them in quarantine. there for a week or two weeks, well, it used to be two , maybe now it’s a little less . well, what kind of person is it? can i, the great one and only one who is not repeated, go somewhere to africa and shake hands with someone there

in two days i will finish yes no there will be 35 doubles eh and so on but he will all sit in the bunker and look at this eh a long distance well and a plus also no matter what there is there but south africa turned on the back so to speak broadcast and said that we will study this situation and that it is better to go there and chat online because anything can happen so i think the answer is less for today is negative, he won't risk going there because , well, it's for his priceless health a crazy threat, and in relation to these peace-making initiatives of the so-called but absolutely right mr. serhiu, this is a preparation of moscow that is implemented through its, well , so to speak, international, well, i want to say

slaves, but not allies, it is, well, so to speak, some countries that are economically, politically, or otherwise dependent on moscow, that's why all the conversations from african countries, brazil, or someone else, the pope or you, were very worried about peace and justice, but only for some reason moscow's principles, therefore, this should also be perceived as the last desperate attempt by moscow to fix its status on the ground . in other words, this is actually their key topic now, at any cost, in what way

to legionize the captured and then the curve will take it away from there. that is, it is clear to the child again, and the intensity of peace-loving or peace-loving proposals depends on it, but believe me, i think that everyone understands it, well, after the first reading, because if african leaders go with the idea is that it will be as it is today well, they can just drive through kyiv and immediately go to moscow today the minister of defense of great britain ben wallace arrived in kyiv and he already met with oleksiy breznikov there is the first information about what exactly was discussed at the meeting, the two ministers talked about the prospects of ukraine at the vilnius nato summit , the supply of long-range missiles and further military support, which cannot yet be discussed at the same time, at the same time, in

russia, the head of the foreign intelligence service on ryzhkin made an attack on the british. he said that the anglo-saxons should be advised to deal with their internal conflicts, and even better to get rid of those old favors to the devil, well, that is, it seems that this is some kind of sect in general sitting in the kremlin and this sect rules where he doesn’t talk to the devil with him, kirill, who plays the role of the patriarch of the russian orthodox church, well, that is, the rhetoric is generally beyond the bounds of any common sense, but we are interested in what else ben-vulets can’t talk publicly with oleksiy different or it can after all, we are talking about f16 planes, because hmm, it’s not for nothing that the russians are so afraid of the anlasas because , well, the british are the people who were not the first to start

providing some significant and heavy equipment for the ukrainian state. well, they play such a key role in the current russian- to the ukrainian war to thank and thank and thank prime minister boris johnson and the prime minister for their absolutely leadership position in this matter, together with the americans, they really are the countries that probably understand us the best and er understand what it is about, so er me it seems that er this er visit of the minister of defense er which by the way er we read his statement recently he would like to become the next secretary general of nato which seems to me the same would be very very er necessary including

i came to kyiv for a visit just for the hell of it. such visits don't happen anymore and i brought with me some interesting suggestions regarding what we still need . we read information about that the minimum of what is needed is collected, but this is a minimum even when you start something complicated you can't carry out a difficult operation, you can only count on a minimum, you need real reserves, in case of a change in the situation , that's why i think that the topic is the transfer of the state from the minimum to at least the average, and this means that here should be included

- there are even more and more long-range missiles that we can smoke, including the crimean bridge that we actually started in sergius today, and not only that, and the equipment that will allow us to drive the gun away from the ukrainian border and to allow it to destroy ukrainian civilians infrastructure and so on, that's why i think this is actually the topic that i understood, and it will be the topic of the next rammstein, that is , on the one hand, we are psychologically breaking the muscovites with such events that are happening, let's say those of the belgorod region, they are psychologically ready for defeat right now, but on the other hand, very powerful and intelligent work is being done to accumulate

sufficient resources so that this captured psychological horde can really be finished off on the battlefield. i think i am very eco-price is the tactics and strategy chosen by our military leadership, which seems to me to be extremely effective and we are continuing well at the time when we were having this conversation , mr. volodymyr, there was information that the orthodox church of ukraine at the bishop's cathedral in kyiv adopted the transition to a new calendar as of september 1 , the majority of ukrainian christians will celebrate christmas on december 25, not january 7, as is known . on january 7, the russian orthodox church celebrates christmas, but this will not apply to easter and some other holidays, in particular the trinity

should we accept, mr. volodymyr, this information about the fact that well, this is another element of our farewell to russia with moscow, which has been happening for the past nine years , starting in 2014, because this decision, well , it is so significant for ukrainians and for the future of the ukrainian state of course, mr. serhiy, this is already a decision that i am actually repeating and the decision of the ukrainian greek catholic church, that is, the ukrainian churches, by definition , they say that we are european churches, we are truly the descendants of this one christian church that was from the beginning from its very beginnings, well, i can just as well imagine what you are now

, it will start in the swamps , that now they will scream, the moscow demand, led by the fsb officer gundyaev, and tell them that this is another trick anglo-saxons or someone else there eh and that it eh splits eh the unity of a single eh great russian you speak unfairly, we must finally cut off this horde from ourselves, and i think that after all, we need something more active here the role of the state. look how long the laws lie in the parliament, even half-hearted ones. even those that do not put an end to it in the presence of this

moscow fsb branch in the form of the uoc mp in ukraine. yes, even for this, we cannot wait for the state to finally asked the question in the problem, we are serious we really want to cut this umbilical cord, why do we continue to do one thing with the left hand and do another with the right hand, but i honestly have such questions to our power structures in connection with this, it is becoming more and more why is this not being talked about, this is a very correct remark, mr. volodymyr, because a lot of questions arise. for two months, the moscow monks cannot leave the kyiv pechersk lavra. to ban the activities and branches of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, and this bill is in the verkhovna rada. unfortunately, it has not yet been adopted

, it is not clear what will happen to the whole church. i also wanted to talk to you about hungary because... there was information that at a closed meeting of the heads of foreign affairs of the european union, berbok quarreled with siyarto due to hungary's blocking of aid to ukraine. a hungarian bank that supports the e -e occupation of luhansk and donetsk by the russian federation and provides loans to the russian military, at the same time , the prime minister of hungary viktor rórba stated in an interview with bloomberg at the qatar economic forum that he understands that russia invaded ukraine, that people are dying, he as a responsible politician wants to convince everyone that it is necessary

to stop the fire and start peace talks, we will hear and see orbán rightly discordesit, you correctly describe the situation that russia invaded ukraine, but the question is not who attacked whom, the question is what will happen the next morning more and more people will die and there is no chance of victory for either side, and well, this is tragic, all our hearts are with the ukrainians, we understand their suffering, but i speak as a politician who must save lives, the most important for international political communities to save lives, especially when you are convinced, as i am, that there is no chance of winning this war. that is why we must make more efforts to convince everyone that the only solution is a ceasefire and then and then start peace talks, mr.

volodymyr orban - these are the categories that and five african leaders and the president of brazil and the pope are so much worse er because er hungary is a member of both the european union and nato and such a hungary destroys these unions er when we talk about brazil is far away, or south africa is no less far away. well, well , the leaders of this or that country and mine have the right to their opinion, although it is absolutely absurd and wrong. well, it is their business, but when we talk about the coalition of civilized countries and we see in it eh well, and the people's body in the person of today's hungary, that's not it, that's not something you can just say. well, he has such an opinion , it means that this head of the country of the two

allies is actually destroying the unity and undermining their hookahs stability and we see it by because of everything that has been happening in recent years, you can see the cynicism you have to reach in order to take if it doesn't matter who attacked whom, well, then you just have to sign off on the fact that well, i support any aggression and i myself, so i myself am ready to attack someone and this and that someone are neighboring countries because they live there, uh, i live in vorsko , a national minority, which, by the way, they perceive not as citizens of the respective countries, but as simply uh, general hungarians, and this very much resonates with that what they say is the same putin, whom you have repeatedly shown today about the fact that historically, the russian people are all over

the borders, that is, to be honest, while listening and looking, i saw in them a great ideological commonality, that is, he who lives in some historical with panabeeries and delusions. well, that is muscovy. everything is clear here, and this hungarian has the treaty of trynov in his head on the 18th of 1918 , when hungary, due to the defeat in the first world war, lost the relevant countries. part of its territories, and this is hammered into the heads of today's leaders of hungary as an idea that needs to be corrected, this is typical revanchism, stupid, typical chauvinism and everything else, and i really hope that, after all, the leadership of nato and the european union will finally start

doing something because well, you can't keep in your ranks a country that actually denies the values ​​on which these structures were created , it's a threat, and tomorrow, volodymyr, there will be a meeting in an online rammstein format , there is already information that at this meeting will discuss the issue of anti-aircraft ammunition, as well as training for pilots of the air force of ukraine on f-16 fighters, what should we not expect from rammstein , or will they continue to pursue such a policy, as they say, the principle of salami, slowly cut, cut, cut ukraine in order for ukraine to strengthen, but there won't be such a breakthrough, which the ukrainian side is probably waiting for, because we are talking about the fact that

we need at least 60 or 50 or up to 200 experts of these 16 planes evaluate what what to expect from rammstein well, you have congratulated sergey, i think that selami's tactics will continue, the only thing is that we, in this regard, should demand that these cuts be thicker, that is, not exactly, you know, paper transparent, but such as well, here it is. i once again referred to the opinion of some experts who say that it is really very if we talk about f16, it is a very complex technological system that requires very serious technical training and corresponding logistics service and so on and so on that is it is unlikely that it will happen from today to tomorrow but if it happens even

after a few months, this too i think will be an extremely important and useful step so let's believe that gradually everything that is needed will be done well, we still have a long way to go. by the way, the nato summit is in july, and it seems to me that nato will not be able to simply ignore these things that ukraine requires both politically and practically, so i think that after that we will move in at a much faster pace than the road accident a may still be at the july summit of the north atlantic alliance, well, there must be some kind of resolution. there must be some kind of solution, that is, what is now real for ukraine , well, they are working on it and are working quite intensively on it. well , what is already on the surface is that the format

of relations between ukraine and ukraine will change. the nato council, well, it is, it seems, from the outside, it is quite insignificant, a minor change, but in fact, it is already the inclusion of ukraine in the uh, well, the adoption of certain decisions within the framework of the alliance, and this is also an important step forward, and in the political plan, we must demand a very eh, the clear statement of the alliance that ukraine will never become a member of the alliance, namely the alliance immediately after our victory. and for this victory , it is necessary to provide us with what is necessary, that is exactly what i expect from the alliance if there is no such thing the old-fashioned position of hiding your head in the sand, well, at least one of the points and requirements of nato, we are already fulfilling, we are rearming the army and it is moving to the standards of the north atlantic alliance, well, at least, this

is definitely an issue for ukraine that should be closed, there is still a political part, but this let's talk closer to the nato summit, thank you, mr. volodymyr, for the conversation. this was volodymyr ogrysko, politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009. western countries will continue the conversation about what will happen in ramstein tomorrow at 13:00 with our experts .

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