[000:00:00;00] but the question is that it will not be there at 20:00 because russia will not be. and this seems to me to be the most important conclusion to which we must teach our dear western partners that there will be no such russia if there is one left. well, that is another question but it will be necessary to have completely different conversations with her, other conversations, and conversations in the language of multimaths, because this is what happened until february 24 , 2022, and there was stimulation in russia for aggression , after that, finally, the west must conclude that they were mistaken about what they needed to change their approaches, they need to make a tough decision regarding what will remain of this so-called russian federation . and then we will really start to change the world , until this happens, there will be falls

in the circle. volodymyr, let's go back to lukashenko, one piece of information from appeared with a reference to sky news, the belarusian position reported that oleksandr lukashenko was involved in the deportation of ukrainian children from the territory of the ukrainian state . territory of belarus and today the office of the prosecutor general of ukraine announced that this information is being investigated about the alleged role of belarusians in the forced transfer of children from the territories occupied by russia, and this means, mr. volodymyr, that lukashenko can also receive an arrest warrant from the international criminal court or not if it is proven that he directly participated in the organization of this crime, then

definitely, and i will tell you frankly, i am a little surprised by the passivity of the international criminal court after that the step that was taken was absolutely fair and correct, you know, there is a pause. well, i understand that the russians will now use all possible means to intimidate the members of the iss, and we can already see this from all the decisions that are being made there in moscow. but it seems to me that well, if i'm not wrong, correct me, i heard about the latest, about more than 60,000 crimes committed by the russian troops on the territory of ukraine, and these crimes are obviously those that fall under the jurisdiction of the icc, but so far for some reason further

things didn't go well with these two uh characters and it's very sad because now we have to translate civilian objects and so on and so on, that is, including, by the way , the same lukashenka and his accomplices, who , well, it is possible that they do not participate in these crimes, but contribute to all crimes, so i think that our lawyers and, so to speak, part of our front in the person of the ministry of justice and others structures need to somehow work more actively with our colleagues at the international space station and involve the prosecutor general's office probably more actively in order to convince that, dear friends, it is good that you have taken the first step, but it

should be followed by a second and a third and the 15th and 25th and so on, that is, don’t, don’t, don’t be too ashamed to take these steps further, because there are reasons for vladimir putin himself, mr. volodymyr , for the last few weeks, there was literally a discussion about whether he would be able to fly there to the south african republic for brics itself, which has take place in august and well here certainly a simple question, the south african republic has signed and ratified the rome statute and they want to see putin. of some kind of peace agreement that the russian federation and ukraine should conclude, is this trip to pretoria for vladimir putin, well

, so demonstrative, and well, he already has to demonstrate that he is absolutely sneezed at there on international legislation, what do they think about the international tribunal and all these warrants? what do you think, how will this story develop, well, taking into account the fact that these peace initiatives from five african countries are very similar to the very initiatives of moscow itself? well, peace is chewing gum there and friendship well, there, sergey, i think that, during our previous part of the conversation, the answer to your question about whether putin will go there was already given. well, if even his heroes of russia are in quotation marks, he keeps them in quarantine uh, it's been there for a week or two weeks, but it used to be two maybe

now it has become a little less. well , what kind of someone is it? africa and there with someone on the handle after and in two days i will die yes no, 35 duplicates will go here and so on, but he will all sit in the bunker and watch it from a great distance well, plus, no matter what it is there -er, but south africa put it in reverse gear, so to speak, and said, er, we're going to study this situation er and that it is better to go there er to communicate online because anything can happen er, so i think that the answer er, well less today is negative

, he will not risk going there because er for his priceless health, this is a huge threat, and with regard to these peace-making initiatives of the so-called absolutely right -wing mr. sergey, this is a preparation of moscow, which is implemented through its uh well, so to speak, international well, i don't want to say slaves, but not allies either this is, so to speak, some countries which are economically or politically dependent on moscow in some other way , that's why all the conversations from african countries and brazil are coming from someone else, the pope or you, was very worried about peace and justice, but only for some reason on moscow's basis, that's why this should also be perceived as the last

desperate attempt by moscow to fix its status on the ground. that is, this is actually their key topic now, any of these things and in what way to legitimize admiration that is, it is again clear to the child , and the intensity of peace-loving or peace-loving proposals depends on it, but believe me, i think that everyone understands it all, after the first reading, because if african leaders they go with the idea that it will be as it is today. well, they can just pass by in kyiv and immediately go to moscow . british defense minister ben wallace arrived in kyiv today and he already met with

oleksiy breznikov. there is the first information about what exactly was discussed at the meeting, the two ministers talked about the prospects of ukraine at the vilnius nato summit, the supply of long-range missiles and further military support, which cannot yet be discussed at the same time at the same time e in russia, the head of the foreign intelligence service in ryzhkin e-e made an attack on the british. he said that the anglo-saxon should consult himself e-e take care of his internal conflicts and even better get rid of those old favors to the devil, well, that is, it seems that this is some kind of sect in general in kremlin he sits and this sect rules where he does not communicate with the devil with him already gundyayiv kirill, who plays the role of the patriarch of the russian orthodox church, well, that is, the rhetoric is generally beyond the bounds

of any common sense, but we are interested in what else ben-vulets can't talk about publicly to talk to oleksiy varschiek, is it possible that we are talking about f16 planes, after all, because hmm, it’s not for nothing that the russians are so afraid of the anlasas , because the british are the people who were not the first to start providing some significant such heavy equipment for the ukrainian state. well, they play like this well of the key players in the current russian-ukrainian war, thank and thank and thank the prime minister boris johnson and the prime minister for their absolutely leadership position in this matter, together with the americans, they really are by those countries that probably understand us best and understand what it is about, so

it seems to me that this visit of the minister of defense is what by the way, we read his statement recently, i would like to be the next secretary general of nato, which seems to me to be very, very necessary, including for us uh, i came to kyiv for the bottom just for the heck of it. such visits uh, don't happen anymore, and i brought with me some uh, uh, interesting suggestions regarding uh, what we uh, uh, now still desperately need, uh, we read information about the minimum of what is needed has been collected, but it is a minimum and when you start some complex, difficult operation, you cannot only count on the minimum, you need

real reserves, in the event of a change in the situation , so i think that the topic of e-e is e-e transfer of the state of the minimum to at least the average and this means that there should be included here even more and more long-range missiles that we can smoke, including the crimean bridge that we actually started today, sergei uh from the ukrainian border and provide it uh to destroy the infrastructure of ukrainian civilians

on the one hand, we psychologically break eh of muscovites, by the events that are taking place, let's say, in the belgorod region, they are psychologically ready for defeat right now, but on the other hand, there is a very powerful and intelligent work to accumulate sufficient resources in order for this it is really possible to finish off a captured psychological horde on the battlefield, so it seems to me that i really appreciate the tactics and strategy chosen by our military leadership, which seems to me to be extremely effective and we are continuing well at the time when we had this conversation, mr. volodymyr information about that appeared that the orthodox church of ukraine at the synod of bishops in kyiv approved the transition to a new calendar as

of september 1, the majority of ukrainian christians will celebrate christmas on december 25, and not on january 7, as is known. mr. volodymyr, you should take this information about the fact that well, this is one more of those elements of our farewell to russia with moscow, which has been happening for the past nine years , starting in 2014, because this decision, well it is so significant for ukrainians and for the future of the ukrainian state, of course, mr. serhiy, this is already a decision that i actually repeat and the decision of the ukrainian greek-butovite church , that is, ukrainian churches, by definition , they say that we are european churches, we are

truly descendants of this of the only christian church that was from the beginning from its very beginnings well , i can also imagine what you now will begin in the swamps that now the moscow popes, led by fsbshnik gundyaev, will scream and tell uh what is it again uh the machinations of the anglo-saxons or someone else there eh and that this eh splits eh the unity of a single eh great russian eh weather and so on and so forth but it is true this is what we have to experience this is the farewell you are talking about mr. sergeyevich, you say unfairly, we must finally cut off this horde from ourselves, and i think that

after all, some kind of more active role of the state is needed here. look how long the laws lie in the parliament, even half-hearted ones. even those that do not put a full stop in the presence of this moscow fsb branch in the form of e-e in the uoc mp in ukraine yes, even this, we can't wait for the state to finally do everything, the question is in the problem, we are serious , we really want to cut this umbilical cord, why do we continue to do one thing with the left hand and do another with the right, i'm honest saying such questions to our power structures in this connection is becoming more and more why is this not being talked about, this is a very correct remark, mr. volodymyr, because a lot of

questions arise, for two months, moscow monks cannot leave kyiv pechersk lavra although there is a decision of the state bodies of ukraine and there is a bill that correctly mentioned the ban on the activities and branches of the russian orthodox church in ukraine and this bill is in the verkhovna rada unfortunately, it has not yet been adopted , it is not clear what will happen to the whole church and i also wanted to talk to you about hungary because there was information that at a closed meeting of the heads of the foreign affairs of the european union, berbok quarreled with jarto due to hungary's blocking of aid to ukraine. from the decision of kyiv, which recognized the otp bank as one that supports the hungarian bank that supports the occupation of luhansk and donetsk by the russian federation and provides loans

to the russian military at the same time , prime minister of hungary viktor orba in an interview with bloomberg at the qatar economic stated at the forum that he understands that russia has invaded ukraine and that people are dying, as a responsible politician he wants to convince everyone that it is necessary to stop the fire and start peace negotiations, we will hear and see orban, jurytel discovery session, you are right you describe the situation that russia invaded ukraine, but the question is not who attacked whom, the question is what will happen the next morning more and more people will die and there is no chance of victory for either side, this is tragic, all our hearts are with the ukrainians, we understand their suffering, but i i speak as a politician who must save lives, the most important thing for international political communities is to save

lives, especially when you are convinced, as i am, that there is no chance of winning this war. therefore, we must make more efforts to convince everyone that the only solution is a ceasefire and then and then start peace talks. volodymyr orbán is the same category as the five african leaders and the president of brazil and the pope. it is much worse because hungary is a member of the european union. of the union and nato, and such a hungary is destroying these unions, er, when we talk about distant brazil or er, no less distant south africa. well, well, er, the leaders of this or that country and mine have the right to their opinion, although

it is absolutely absurd and wrong well but this is their business, but when we talk about the coalition of civilized countries and see in it the people's body in the person of today's hungary. the head of the country of the two allies actually destroys the unity and undermines the stability of the hookahs, and we see it everywhere because what is happening has been going on for the last few years . just uh sign off on the fact that well, i support any aggression, and i myself am ready to attack someone, and this and that someone are neighboring countries because there, uh, live there, uh, i live in

the hungarian national minority, which, by the way , they perceive not as citizens of the respective countries and as simply uh general hungarians and this very much resonates with what is said by this same putin whom you repeatedly showed today about the fact that historically the russian people are all over the borders, that is, uh, i honestly, uh, listening looking and er he saw in them a great ideological commonality, that he was living in some kind of historical panabery and delusions. well , he is muscovsky. everything is clear here, and this hungarian has the treaty of trinovsk in his head on the 18th of 1918, when when hungary due to the defeat in the first world war, the corresponding countries lost part of their territories, and this is hammered into the heads

of today's leaders of hungary as an idea that needs to be corrected, then this is typical revanchism , stupid, typical chauvinism and everything else, and i am very i hope that, after all, the leadership of nato and the european union will finally start to do something, because it is impossible to keep in its ranks a country that actually denies the values ​​on which these structures were created, it is a threat and tomorrow volodymyr, there is to be a meeting in an online rammstein format, there is already information that at this meeting, the issue of anti-aircraft ammunition will be discussed , as well as preparation for training pilots of the ukrainian air force on

f-16 fighters, what can we expect from rammstein or they will continue to introduce such a policy, as they say, the principle of peasants is to slowly cut, cut, cut to ukraine in order for ukraine to strengthen, but there will not be such a breakthrough, which the ukrainian side may be waiting for, because we are talking about the fact that we need at least 16 of these planes there are 60 or 50 or up to 200 , somewhere around experts estimate what what to expect from rammstein well, you came here. i think that the tactics of selami will continue, the only thing in this regard is that we should demand that these cuts be thick, i.e. not exactly like paper transparent ones, but the kind that er feel like well er here er i again refer to the opinion of some experts who

say that er it is really very if we talk about f16, then it is very difficult a technological system that requires very serious technical training and corresponding service logistics and so on and so on , that is, it is unlikely that it will happen from today to tomorrow but if it happens even in a few months, then this too i think it will happen an extremely important and useful step so what let's believe that gradually everything that needs to be done will be done. well, we still have a long way to go. by the way, the nato summit is in july, and it seems to me that nato will not be able to simply ignore these things that it requires ukraine, both politically and practically, so i think that after that we will move at a much faster pace than

before. and what can be at the july summit of the north atlantic alliance, well, that is , there must be some resolution. there must be some solution, that is, what is now real for ukraine, well, over hereby they are working and working quite intensively. well, what is already on the surface is that the format of relations between ukraine and nato will change and instead of the nato commission there will be a nato council. well, making certain decisions within the framework of the alliance is also an important step forward , and politically we must demand a very clear statement from the alliance that ukraine will not someday become a member of the alliance immediately after our

victory. to provide us with what is necessary, that's exactly what i expect from the alliance , if such an old-fashioned position does not prevail there again , to put one's head in the sand, well, at least one of the points and requirements of nato, we are already fulfilling, we are rearming the army and it is moving to the standards of the north atlantic alliance, well at least this is definitely a question for ukraine that should be closed, there is still a political part, but we will talk about it closer to the nato summit. thank you, volodymyr, for the conversation. of ukrainian affairs in 2007-2009 we talked with mr. volodymyr about the situation that is developing around ukraine in the foreign policy sphere and in relations and

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