[000:00:00;00] well, this is not a completely desperate step, this is already the third step that they are taking, what can they do, they can establish control over this territory, and then it will at least be demilitarized from the point of view of the regular systems of the russian army. the armed forces with which they face the russian federation, they are not well, it seems that they are ready to go over to the side of this insurgency because the relations within the military units of the russian insurgent groups differ from those in the regular part of the russian army, i'm sorry, there is no hazing there, there is no disdainful attitude of the commanders to their subordinates. it is quite possible that these will be something, as you say, very interesting for the population, the local population , which panicked there, because they were

informed that they entered and there will not destroy all russians, now they already see and hear that these are also russians and they say that they seem to understand things that they are now sowing, that they want to make this a democratic , civilized country and that they are not fighting against the russians, they are fighting against the putin regime for that for russia to become a normal country there, which at least you don't respect yet, they want to accept . somehow in the world, even the prescribed urban propaganda in 30 years at least can turn the switch in the minds of these people and they can start supporting these volunteers. well, then the russians will have to transfer not only the police but already regular units in order to somehow fight with these rebels and this will mean that some people with russian weapons

are fighting with other people on the territory of the russian federation with weapons, also by russians, well, this is a sign of a civil war, and it has also been heard for a long time, because behind him there are many stories of all kinds of interesting things constantly happening with him, and here he was showing something about how armored vehicles should drive there, well, there is such a comical video with him, i don’t know if we have

there is to show it, oh, we can show it, by the way, let's see it, because it's really so a little comical , he will now say for stalin, because you saw him with chevrons, something like that of the people's republic of china, i don't know that it's a chevron at all clearly not russian who entered the territory of the belgorod region, in general, what kind of army is it, it is very interesting. well, look, the fact is that the russians are still enough, they are sure that in order to try to fight, you need to issue clear commands in a loud voice, cut down, produce a command voice . soviet, so they think that this is the main thing, these slogans well, of course, hmm

, there must be discipline, there must be clear submission of subordinates to their leadership , especially during combat. you must clearly reject commands. but if you are there, how beautiful are you? through the word if you loudly lead the teams this does not mean that it is not enough that you are a skilled commander that you can organize combat operations so that your unit reaches attention in general, the deputy is one of the deputies or something of this whiskey group, here he is, well, the general of the army, who goes there with a team, who knows where to run and where to go to the armored personnel carriers , well, this is a strange story. the great general, who should organize, who should plan the combat actions of the large unit and agree on all combat orders, prove the command, prove, well

, damn, everything, everything, what is needed for, how do we do for the organization of some actions? he thinks that he can somehow earn some points before putin or before the step under gerasimo , the fact that he went to command a platoon on his own , well, if you are a general and later commanded a shitty general for a while, then you are needed. if you want a command, then the rank-and-file general diwani dinaz will remove the command later. you have another function, well, it's the russians, they seem like that's how he showed his power, he showed his fitness, he looks like a moron , excuse me, you know, what's more, it's interesting what happens in the territory of the belgorod region . they were so unprepared in zaya. they thought they were safe, so what? i will tell you and this is actually a bad situation. because, uh , our troops are forced to guard the entire border , starting from the border with belarus, and we are waiting for an attack from them, but they are in the belgorod

kursk region. i understand that, right? it's just an empty border . there are no troops there, they don't have to keep troops there. i hope that maybe things will change, maybe at least this situation will be that they will be forced to move their troops . we are making attacks inside eh, well, behind the russian troops in various places, they cannot understand where we are going to attack this breakthrough in eh , the russian rebels, indeed they will be forced to move their troops , that is, they already have a single defense system on all the front lines she is pouring herself this is because they have to move move under eh hmm under the small one under avdiivka under bakhmut that is, where where where are we starting to move in our territory because there are already beginning such

serious movements this legion he can he it is not a fact that he will leave, he can establish himself there and maintain a defense there, and they must be there to conduct hostilities already on the territory of the russian federation. our military and politically, including the leadership, that they will not look the way we would like it, well, maybe we would like it, maybe such a word is not very correct, which as we ruled, we planned, we hoped to see , being in the standards of some films about the war, then it will be it is his people, and this leads to the fact that among the russians, they are beginning to become organized somewhere. they do not understand what to do, where to move the troops, and this is an advantage. this is how they win.

wars like the tank breech of the second world war or the cavalry attacks of the first world war are in the past, every war is in the past, the next war is not like the previous one and there is no need well, they say this russian proverb correctly , did the general prepare for the last war once he joined volodymyr nazarenko , deputy senior lieutenant the commander of the svoboda battalion as part of the fourth operational brigade of the national guard of ukraine . greetings, mr. volodymyr. good day studio. good day viewers. let's talk about this, about the situation under bahmut. i understand that you can tell us in more detail what is happening at the moment, eh. well, we can't localize the point, uh, but it seems that our troops are not leading battles in bahmut. actions are more, we are now on the outskirts of bahmut, so i understand here. in general, i can say more in general about the eastern direction, what

concerns bahmut, eh, there really remains a maximum tense, maximum critical situation, as in the entire ascending of the front, that is, the enemy continues to attempt to advance, the enemy continues to attempt assault actions in small groups, artillery continues to deliver artillery strikes to one or another point in one direction or another, and moreover, the defense forces also where they can, where the strategic tactical situation allows, where it is as safe as possible they will also try to fight back, advance, er, vacate the positions lost there, the settlements lost, that is , a very active struggle remains, the fighting has the greatest dynamics there, that is, in principle the front line is extremely tense, i repeat, and uh, from a tactical strategic point of view, uh, the dynamics have not decreased

in any way, because, again, i repeat, and that the enemy, that the defense forces are using all organizations as much as possible to destroy them. well, as far as we know, our goal now is eh it's like how to capture bakhmut from the flanks, and this is what our army is doing, but tell me, i would like a little bit of that. well, according to the events that are happening now, the handsome man announced that he will arm his group with wagner from 25- oh numbers will be taken out of there and, accordingly , uh , well, well , well, well, first of all, uh, is it obvious now that they are taking out vladimir? well, in principle

, you shouldn't treat his statements because he has, in principle, elements of a dog. i hope that this one is not , well, i don't know what he sounds like, a war criminal. and a scoundrel, in general, his statements should be treated somehow, let's clearly understand that what is now called pvk wagner is a pack criminals, saviors in mercenaries, and a social element that they are trying to dispose of as much as possible, and no one wants to take them out, to give them some kind of respite, in a peaceful place, in some back territories of the occupying country, because these are all social elements that are dangerous for the streets that here will already start somewhere there to tear down grenades, to cook, to steal, to cut, to shout , they were fighting there, but the society, the society , the occupiers had little to accept it and little understanding there, that is, well, an analogue of such bathing in fountains with broken bottles on the head with

broken shop windows, defeats, beatings, everything else. that is, we have to understand very well that these social elements do not belong to private companies, they simply used them under such a sticky sticker window, but their zno, that is, the command of the occupier, primarily aims to dispose of them for them, the lives of their cheap soldiers are much cheaper than ammunition than armored vehicles, well, uh, in your area, who are you facing more than wagner in this, or uh, there should have been some regular forces, too, we see but again, well, the dynamics are very tense and when we see the enemy there, we wonder who it is, we see what the enemy is, what is it that this enemy is armed, what is it that this enemy is a danger, a hero who, ah, every day at zero

there are attacks and almost every hour, and for the same reason, the task is to neutralize the enemy who came with weapons to our holy ukrainian land, to destroy, to destroy and to capture. you know what they are new assault groups were constantly being thrown there, new assault groups were being thrown there, is this how it is now, or are they somehow? now it’s a little different. well, i wouldn’t want to focus a certain amount of attention there on any specific part of the front, generally in the eastern direction, i repeat, the dynamics are very tense and the enemy continues to use all the available e-e the armed formations that he has in between are trying to advance in a chaotic order, so they throw and throw , they really try to work in small

groups, so the dynamics are extremely extraordinary thank you very much, thank you, volodymyr. this was volodymyr nazarenko, senior lieutenant , deputy commander of the freedom battalion, part of the fourth brigade of the national guard of ukraine from under bakhmut. well, mr. oleksiy, this is oleksiy hetman. we will continue the conversation, mr. oleksiy. this whole story with prigozhin's statements regarding the withdrawal of his forces from under the cave is pr, they will let him withdraw them. well, what are your predictions, because in principle, if they try to withdraw these wagners, how many of them are left there, well, that's how i would say that this can be a favorable moment for our, well, for our offensive actions as well, because it will add a little bit of chaos to the very right, the most convenient time, well, including this when the enemy rotates and the old ones have already left, the new ones have arrived, but not a little bit yet , who knows place and there is a certain amount of chaos. it really is the most favorable time for

offensive actions, because at this time the enemy is the least concerned about prigozhin . well, remember. he said that he would withdraw his troops on may 10, then he gerasim accused him of the fact that we do not provide a certain number of shells and everything he needs for the conduct of hostilities, and he wanted to shift the blame for the fact that it was not possible to advance on this part of the front, precisely on someone, we will not go into detail there, for today, for yesterday and the day before yesterday, to be more precise, he managed to advance, and somewhere behind some part of bakhmut, he made a stand and announced that artemov was theirs. but they call our bakhmut completely freed, or rather captured, and putin liked it, and he promised to award all people with state awards for being skilled in combat well, this was an informational occasion for russian propagandists and to tell that everything is going according to plan, they continue to move and so on and so on, why was this needed

hallway well, it is not difficult to understand here he is perfectly aware that the advance on the flank will continue and the russians well already they are in the semi-autonomous or operational encirclement, he says and there is no panzersky and further it will only intensify the situation and they will either have to withdraw troops from bahmut or not to take them out then they can find themselves in complete encirclement eh and eh what was it needed for? here are these reports eh these detachments now it’s like a unit like it’s like before wagner completed his combat tasks tasks which after that he they have the full legal and physical right to conduct a rotation and withdraw the troops so that they can organize themselves there. well, and so on, what happens after a certain combat mission is completed, he seemed to report that he

performed it and he really wants to do it quickly, maybe even now they are leaving, realizing that there will be an iron around bahmut, but the blame for this defeat will not fall on the beauty, but on those people who went there, i don't think that it will be correctly placed we are looking at our group, but most likely those commanders of brigades or even battalions who visit here for, well, this is a rotation, that is , they visit, they say, we are constantly talking about the fact that the rotation is happening, well, in the enemy ’s well, they are happening in our place, the rotation is here for some reason prigozhin's rotation is presented as a correspondence, he just wants to make a rotation and wants to do it in order to realize that soon there will be a defeat in this direction and that the blame will be on those people who entered after him here, everything is so transparent , just if you know when the dust settles how is that they say that everything becomes very, very clear. by the way, it also seems to me that they just , well, prigozhin recorded it, literally decided, let's go

on the 20th, we will announce that we have captured bakhmut, they have by this time dragged some or a number of their journalists there they filmed it. that is, it was clear that they did not reach this fork where the plane is standing. they just showed some flags on the houses somewhere there. well, that is, it is absolutely, as it were, an artificial event. yes, but it is not clear that the ukrainian troops are not trying now . to push further into the city, they are fighting defensive battles of the leaves, that is, they are retreating quietly, because it is a completely different goal, after all , it is not so easy to capture this goal, in fact , it takes a while well, it will last for a while, it will not be instantaneous, but well the handsome man just wants to get out of there and get out, after all, in the status of a person who has some kind of profile from khmuti and there is no er well, that is, he managed to legalize the fact that he

is there in essence er, well, he was defeated because he killed a bunch of people your people are just tight kirov's victory well, you see, you summarized yourself very well. you say this very correctly , well , the point is, judging by everything. to raise the degree of emotional perception of everything and now , well, he made the decision that they did not necessarily capture bakhmut completely, you can say that we completely captured it, and it went to putin and the state awards, everything is fine and he can return as a hero, although, well, paving as he said president biden, 100,000 people for this city, but that’s fine. it’s still not worth it. it’s not worth the victory. it wasn’t worth such losses of electrical engineering that they did. that is , it turns out that it was not a military goal, but some other

, maybe political or psychological or something else. well, now we see a destroyed place on the video and it was really difficult for us to defend the destroyed place, because it is an urbanized area, it is possible to build certain positions there, but it is extremely difficult to do it in grain. well, the same applies to the russians, and it will be difficult for them now to get something there, so how will we act? maybe you know that there were conversations about the fact that bakhmut, when bakhmut is captured, or the russians want to use it as a bridgehead for further movements there to cut our defenses to move to, e, run the estuary in half north in the direction of ughledar to the south well, it seems that they had such plans. now we are talking about some bridgeheads there, about some next ones, our troops on the commanding heights behind bakhmut well, most of all, the ravine has already built fortifications, bow fortifications, fore structures in order to

if the enemy tries to advance further, it will be a good time to meet him, but he simply does not have the strength and means , so you see, it looks strange, let's remember that bakhmut was considered by the russians as a place that must be captured, and in order for this to be the first step for creating a bridgehead and further actions, here they are you were captured and where on the first day, no one mentions anything about it already, that is, well , we see what we have, we see what we see. well , it must be said that what they actually do not consider it as an opportunity to move there to kramatorsk is slavic. all the merit of this long defense of bahmut, because you remember that they were standing on the flanks until our troops on the flanks managed to start to press them a little , until this moment this threat was, that is, if they simply pulled the forces away from bahmut well, yes we would have remained in the time gap, but probably the situation would have been worse for the ukrainian army. it seems to me that of course it is not. now

we talked about the russian armed forces, the behavior of the russians and whether they were successful or unsuccessful in their actions in certain areas of this direction, but we did nothing they said about our armed forces, of course, all this did not turn out as planned by the russians, because they are some stupider people there, because they met with our armed forces, who showed how we can lead and hold the defense and how much motivated plus, besides, we are already more and more equipped with modern weapons, that's why we are waging a modern war, if the russians are waging a so-called hybrid war against us, then we are against them, a human lace, it is also a hybrid war, but it consists in the fact that it is possible to have fewer people in small groups to achieve very large victories and keep a very large territory under control , well, you know, let's look at the whole picture of the hostilities on the entire front, just a little bit, as if from

above, eh, look, mr. oleksiyovych, yes let's increase the scale, if we look at the overall picture, the situation looks like this. well, our troops and russian troops are trying to probe vulnerable places there, to conduct some such point actions. well, everything in srebyansk forestry does not stop there , these actions do not stop, but they tried there, on may day, they constantly break through near avdiyivka. they are trying to arrange something. there , near vugledar, they do not calm down, in principle, and our troops also make some movements, but if you look at it all the same, well, on a larger scale, how do i it seems that the main story that is happening now is strikes on more distant bodies, that is, our troops are also trying to hit the logistics of the armed bases of some kind there. warehouses and russian troops are trying to destroy our distant points. it seems to me that now here is

the main point and the main balance of forces is necessary in this context look, that is, so that we have for long-range strikes what the russians have for long-range strikes and how do they resist it? rockets. well, i'm not sure what they're doing to destroy some of our military facilities or some sort of troop concentration, because we're a little bit different , since they loved whiskey from the premises . they're trying to terrorize the local population, our civilian population, in order to in a way to somehow undermine the morale itself inside the country. did it somehow affect the morale of our cities, well, after all, such a goal is something significant, they are not capable of destroying the same in us. well, they are not capable because there is already a very, very powerful i

i think that this is the most powerful during air defense in europe. yes, and if not in the world. well, there is something else that will destroy almost 100% of air targets. moreover, it is not only chess for aircraft with a propeller, it is carlson, it is modern missiles that cost very, very much. and we lower even daggers, they say that already about calibers h1155 - this, believe me, is a very modern, very powerful missile . so, what about them from our side? good, i'm there, it's already known that we use it, so far, we don't do it, we don't have such a possibility of targets uh, what kind of a fool we have when every projectile is taken into account, that is, we don’t shoot fields where it will fly, where it will fly , everything is calculated, and these shots must be extremely accurate and so far break our missiles for long-range, including wings, you something

we don't hear the information because of that russia storm shadow is six or we sent them those missiles is not a question simply the russians report that they shot it down they say but they well no no no it's just words and our missile it reaches reach the goal and well we use no in we simply don't have such a quantity as the russians, and we don't need to, well, the main thing is that it's not a competition about who has more missiles , then you're better. the fact that we destroy objects in that it is so so start this is what offensive actions are doing the main thing is that this is a logistics center warehouses with ammunition sets with fuel and lubricants well the masses were crashing by the way the storm what is there in may - technical characteristics that apart from others the main thing can use for the destruction of bridges, that is, it is simply written in it and the technical characteristics of this missile, that is, well, i understand that this will

be relevant. is it somewhere in loka in the city , literally at the moment of the offensive, when it is necessary to block their logistics? then it will be relevant , then we will see this application, maybe to be completely destroyed when the time comes, well, it's normal for us, the people in the rear are sitting. as the viewers say from the couch, it's not true, no one has been told. i 'm also sitting on the couch on the couch now, i'm already retired, so i really want everything to be done quickly because everyone was killed there literally for a week, but well, in the plural earlier, the headquarters better understands what needs to be done and everything will be done in time for everyone. in some way, well, in one way, now i see that the attacks happen mainly at night here

, what's the matter here in the back oh, well, you know why they try to attack at night well, we can understand the driver, because they are martyrs , they are monitored by radio action stations, but again, it is not a secret that we have visual surveillance and there is a mobile group that you consider glass with small arms from machine guns to be transferred for a specific competition you see our vision more well, what's in their head, well, that's such a question, well, crackers are not for me for psychiatrists well, yes, somewhere more or less and say something like this, well, we are all discussing and waiting what will happen to the f16 planes , today appeared such message from the pentagon that the next meetings there will still be about the supply

yes yes yes yes yes most likely yes the question and when what cannot appear already as a force on the battlefield what will happen, for example, until september ? i think that until on august 24, it is precisely to stay because uh, our uh, well, look, they say that our pilots can master this plane very well , because they are certain skilled specialists, well, our guys have them. not very convenient and achieve certain advantages that is, the ability to fly, that is, the problem is that it is necessary to master the device above the board on the sides of the big account of this plane so that you know something somewhere that corresponds to how to use it correctly with a weapon that can be hung on it and that's all. and the pilot can fly and we can fly if a person knows how to drive a coin developed there, then it will not be difficult

for him to drive a mercedes, well, we understand that. that is , directly, piloting, the ability to fly an airplane in our boys is enough, there was a level left to master. well, what is in this plane and i use it as efficiently as possible, i don't think that this requires a long period of time and there were talks about 18 months, well, most likely for people who don't know how to fly at all, and for our asts. well , i think she said four, four months, but there is an impression that it will be two times less than that i have come across a number that sounded like four months literally now, but since the real training itself will begin right now, i think when these real training will begin then it will be possible to say exactly how long it will be will take real time. this is not the first time, we had these planes in the 13th year, in the 12th year