[000:00:00;00] allies and partners are continuing to discuss which security model will be chosen for ukraine in the future, john kirby, the representative of the white house , commented on the latest reports about the alleged preparation of an israeli security model for ukraine, quotes, we are in discussions with ukraine and our allies, partners , including our allies in nato, regarding the long-term security of ukraine, said in the conference that he is certain that ukraine will have long-term security, and this is one of the reasons why president biden agreed to the training ukrainian pilots on the f16, as well as the potential provision of ukraine with whole aircraft in the future, we know what is needed for the long-term defense needs of ukraine . therefore, we are actively discussing with them the question of what we will be their long-term security needs, kirby told us on the phone connect now roman kostenko people's deputy of ukraine secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on national security and defense and intelligence colonel of the security service of ukraine romane

congratulations glory to ukraine glory to the heroes mr. roman well, you will comment on the words of john kirby regarding the israeli or non-israeli security model for ukraine, why is there a search for any alternative options if there is one? well, a direct and clear option for ukraine to join nato. is it still not for us, please? well, here we need to understand what the israeli option is. we are there, it is the supply of weapons. well, understand that not very well. it suits us why . because well, we all understand that what we wanted is not recognized, but israel is a nuclear country and he cannot be so specific about these treaties. it is important for us that when we we will look for those alternatives that may be for us, in this regard, this is more the usual specifics, we have to have guarantees on hand, which will be specifically worded, this is not the budapest memorandum, which is there in

case someone can say later that this is all the memorandum is not the treaty, we ratified it, we ratified it, we have to have guarantees from each country if in the case of any full-scale or any aggression against ukraine, there, for example, romania supplies us with the nth amount of that, that amount of that that's all, there's another country there, which is neutral there, it helps financially, i think only such guarantees can be an alternative to our sooner joining nato , and in general, the main thing is ukraine's joining nato , because only this can save us from further, let's say, the neighborhood with the russian federation is so tense, mr. roman, i would like to talk with you about the loss of the russians, because conversations about this have become almost dominant in the russian information space, at least, the institute

for the study of war writes about it, and they recall it as a beauty admits to the loss of at least 10,000 recruits from the number of convicts and 10,000 wagner personnel who died during the battles for bakhmut, which in principle we understand is a greatly underestimated figure, our fighters also say about it during the entire time of the defense of bakhmut , a much larger number of russian occupiers were destroyed including the wagnerites, but already 20,000 e are encouraging russian society to think a little about it and what is really happening prigozhin himself, as for me, he is now doing a bear bear sorry for the service to the russian military leadership and in general of the russian federation, if you look at his statement literally in february 22nd , where he calls his microsurgery for ukraine, how they do it. it's cool, they are destroying everything there, and now in an interview with him literally the day before yesterday, he says that it

failed no demilitarization, ukraine is full of weapons and determination, no where is nazification because in his understanding, denazification is simply to deprive a country of a nation, obviously he says that ukraine has become legitimate as a country and this nation is now the most popular in the world admits that failed her, but in truth i am interested in your opinion, can it affect the numbers he named, which de facto is much higher in the minds of russians, maybe some changes in planning in the military leadership in russia are trying to somehow influence maryan , this is all he is doing recently he is trying to use the authority of the one who had the army of the russian federation to show that his army is better without him. this war will not be won. and in general, russia would not have the wagner of the russian army, it is that he and he

thereby humiliating what you saw in this interview gerasimov is humiliating there about putin , so most likely he is not talking about the supreme commander-in-chief it is clear that even though he is trying to say it there, that is why it is a beautiful game and he is withdrawing his troops solely in order to preserve x because he understands that without them he will be nobody and he won't be able to afford this - to afford what he is now allowing is a plus. i think he is exaggerating these numbers when he talks. i had 30,000 there now. 50,000 he lost a lot of people i think more really than he tells, but he is a princess, he shows the numbers so that the ministry of defense understands what a great power he has. you just can't approach him there. and the fact that he takes something - of course, it's about losses, he never lost in the defense, well, it's tenons may be greater than the losses in the offensive. whoever is attacking, wagner or there, the third reich, or someone else , everything is the same, especially when you are in the city, there are official statistics, about 10 times

more visas are needed to attack, of course, and losses there dozens of times more than before here he is it hurts, of course, but all that was there was, of course, to discredit the army, to discredit maksimov, to choose him, and to give authority to his henchmen, eh, that general miezintsev, as this armageddon has already fallen to another general, what kind of vikings are they, they must remember to give them uh, and he is trying to give them uh to the authorities. but will it help them? at this stage, i strongly doubt it, because i think that repressions should also be included against them now. well, yesterday we discussed the other part of this interview, ragozhin says about that what a beauty i'm sorry, i always confuse dostoevsky with an idiot, do you remember because there was parfumeur parfenora gozhen, and here yevhen is handsome, so he talks about the donbas. he says that for eight years

, they robbed and burned the donbas, they walked through it in boots back and forth. and what in the end they got and looked for the nazis, he says there, and in the end they just left the ruins there, this is important, who are we talking about yesterday, i asked this in the village of harmash, who does he say, who is there in the donbas, i wonder if there will be any organizational conclusions for these lavars who did everything there well, i think that he means all those who were in power there , it is, first of all, russia, the russians who had an influence on one territory on luhansk region had a lot of influence and to donetsk region, where she was, the fsb would go and there everyone became the naks who were there and they were, in principle , the people of these bodies, that's why they didn't directly deal with it, all the russians were trading in a corner, they were arguing that all the minerals were there, that's what happened to russia there. well, he

sees it. and here he tells the truth let's say they deceived the people of donetsk by forcing them to believe in those mercenaries who came to attack others and then they simply boiled him and didn't let them let's say go back, that's why he's here , he's telling the truth and he's here too he is trying to play er-e to explain to the russian what first of all happened in those so-called republics that were once created by the russian federation , they were created and forgotten, as he says, paradise had to be built and we simply destroyed it, flew into the ruins, romano, let's go back a little to the issues of discussing the situation directly at the front, we have a more or less er, as far as i am concerned, the idea of ​​er, what is happening in the bakhmut area is more or less clear to me. we talk a lot about this with our guests and not only receive official information from

the general the headquarters, which does not hide from us from the back eh actually and what is happening in the south of our country, we had information literally yesterday what from the zaporizhzhia region maybe in the bakhmut region or even belohorod region, because they could not reach everything calmly there either in what number, in what number, are the russian troops for reinforcements, what is happening in our south, what are the enemy preparing for here , i heard intelligence is working, what is there, one of the brigades. defense. i think they will now search for internal reserves somewhere in the russian federation because they understand that this incident let's say it happened in belgorod region, it is possible and the whole task

was in addition to giving the russian volunteer corps to fight against putin's the regime is to withdraw some part of the troops to this territory, so they understand that if they withdraw somewhere from the dangerous direction where ukraine can now start its active actions, it can threaten those troops that are there, so i think they will look for some internal reserves in order to block the or they will call on the otakb to help because they attacked a sovereign state, let's say, on the sovereign territory of which they are, but there is also a question here, yes , there is a threat of the usual tkb, but i don't know how russia will use it or to replenish itself munitions or for they will be called here and the question now is for the members of the russian armed forces, they are already there , they understand that for them it is such a complete disgrace to enter this war at all, because russia itself now does not know where

its borders are in general, and these are the borders with crimea - these are the borders without crimea, so now it will be interesting to watch this from a geopolitical point of view. well , what will happen now in the near future on the battlefield, well, the russian freedom legion and russian volunteers have already returned after the operation on russian territory. they gave a small press conference already on the territory of ukraine, they said we will come again, belgorod-bryansk course , voronezh, rostov, moscow, wait for us, said one of the commanders of the volunteers, callsign caesar, we are waiting for the development of events, roman, regarding today's ramstein, a virtual meeting, we talk a lot aviation coalition what other consequences will there be about any specific dates for the flights and about any other consequences besides the planes, what are you personally waiting for, please? i think that at this moment it is very important for us to maintain the systematic supply of weapons. i think that the planes

they will be when they, uh, they will agree on them, and now we already know what is going on with the training, and i think they will rather be them than we will be told about it here, the question is now in the period of our active actions for the spring-summer campaign , here we need a systematic supply of weapons the weapons that we have will allow us to start this company and take it to a certain milestone , and then we need systemic ones so that in the absence of weapons they do not force us to change our plans. air defense systems and how much they are necessary for us in particular and they are actually very important when any offensive operation is planned because all this work has to work effectively and in a complex way together we are talking about planes and we are talking about long-range weapons in particular and artillery somehow i think we sometimes miss

the attention of helicopters. so, when a military operation is taking place, yes. if it is taken locally, air support for such a plan is very important information on the sound of the helicopter, which i found. that in principles of the military we never received any, we received such civilian designations , maybe it was somehow adapted later to military operations, i don’t know, well , the russians periodically use the k-52 of the devil alligator, they recently shot down the air defense forces, of course we wanted to be there somewhere, to your question yes, that is, we and we don’t really need helicopters, because you work on their side

, it’s a weapon, but my god, how are wars when the enemy has already built such a strong defense system and an air defense system, they are now quite easy and a target for and for us and ours for them therefore, this is a weapon that needs to be accumulated so that at one time it can be used there somewhere in some er direction, but we see that even airplanes, let's say so, especially on the near er borders, cannot work in mainly with missiles, medal actions in order not to enter into seasonal air defense operations, and the range of operation of helicopters is even shorter, they need to approach the front edge, and let's say their survival rate is not at a high enough level, this is shown by the russians, who have already suffered a lot of this. therefore, it is a good weapon but you really need to know where to apply and apply in the conditions of suppression by our fighters or our bombers a separate anti-aircraft system, and after that, indeed, but they are also needed for, if we are talking about transport, this is the rapid transfer of troops across their territory or, for example, to bridgeheads

that are captured because of indeed, they are needed, but they need to be used very carefully, we talked and here you are. you say that there will probably be planes, but we still need time with the novel . dawn, in front of you, we had a military expert join us. and he said that surely this offensive operation, this offensive, now ukrainian, should be carried out without the support of e-e aviation of western models, should we hurry then, in your opinion, or should we not wait for aviation support and then carry out this large offensive, i ask to avoid large losses, god forbid e- this is a very important question, but i think only the headquarters and the general staff can answer it. why? because they know specifically, and if we know there, i know the schedules for the brigades there, and they know in general based on the forces and

means they have and when the calculation for attack, there are specific numbers, for example, who took fire, what was the radius of impact , what should be the density of fire, and then when we calculate what should be the density of fire, we look at what we have, and the planes also assemble helicopters, such and such artillery, then when we don't have airplanes , we calculate what exactly we can do at the expense of, for example, long-range missile systems and and the sky is closed at the expense of pfu , that's why we can or can't do all these calculations with the weapons that we have without airplanes, it's possible say only those who are directly in the analytical units of the general staff and they and can they put up such a density of fire when the enemy simply retreats, we only understand from the number of brigades about what they gave us and the intelligence data we need to understand and what the enemy has and what we can we contrast this is a big job like that, do we need to wait or not

do we need to do our work if the general staff sees that we have the strength we can advance then they can do if of course they think we need to advance because we showed and told everyone about counteroffensive and make counteroffensive at the expense of counteroffensive and this of course cannot be done i just wanted to ask about this issue, is there any administrative pressure , possible pressure, political pressure , pressure is also possible from the west, i think there is a little pressure, what i see is that he is there in his in political circles, what is there from the general staff anyway ? let's say they demand it because i provided them with some types of weapons. yes, our partners there expect a lot from us. our political leadership also expects that. therefore, genstadt now but i am sure that there we have a good commander, we have a good chief of the general staff, deputies , i think that if they do it the right way, if they see that they have the strength to start

a counteroffensive and in what month they will do it if not, they will be able to explain what they still need in order for it to be successful. it is important for it to be successful not just to hit a wall there and lose reserves and then go and ask , but it did not work. thank you to the committee of the verkhovna rada on national security and defense the colonel of the intelligence service is now in touch with us lyudmila denisova, a human rights activist, the head of the ukrainian center for the protection of human rights, we welcome you, ms. lyudmila, good morning, good afternoon. well, we will probably start with such a concept as the national information bureau, uh, actually, this is a body that helps the families of prisoners and the disappearance of the missing defenders of ukraine, er, obviously somehow normalize the situation with information, first of all, about the status of this person, look for this information and, er, only then

plan your further actions. tell me if thank you for such questions, you know a lot of families who contact us on the hotline of the ukrainian center for the protection of human rights and ask such questions that they have information, for example, he is one of these prisoners who have already been exchanged that he and his relative were seen somewhere in the russian federation, who is already in captivity or in some other city, they found information on the sources of russian television , does the national information bureau introduce this information to this turnover register, we asked this question to the ministry of reintegration, which is not subject to operational management, and

they clearly answered that this is how they enter any information, checking it carefully and checking it with the central tracing bureau of the international red cross and then introduces another question, how can the family find out about the fact that, after all, they do not work with the information because, in their opinion and in our opinion, the tag could affect the processes of exchange or return of these of ours citizens who are already in captivity or who are wanted and can already be transferred to the status of prisoners. we also asked questions to the ministry of reintegration. they wrote to us that they supposedly take care of all information, and they consider it very important for them to have the rights of their family to information. about their relatives was provided, but unfortunately, to date, many questions remain

that they are not informed, so the national information bureau maintains a defense register , entering this growth of any information about anyone, about the military, about civilians who missing persons who are being searched for in this register automatically has the opportunity to join to find out information at the coordination headquarters for the reconciliation of festive prisoners and the same headquarters that takes care of issues and implements exchanges or the return of our prisoners to their homeland, what exactly is there also, the information in this, er, in this national information bureau is stored, and how exactly if a family member or a loved one disappeared during the war, to whom should one contact for tracing issues, well, this is strictly related to the military , i understand correctly if they disappeared

civilians on the line of fire, it's not them, it doesn't apply to civilians. i want to emphasize that the national information bureau, which was somehow created on march 6, 2022, under the terms of the geneva convention, it provides any information on missing both military and civilian and this must be kept in mind, and everyone should. i really want you to report it, because people don't know exactly how to contact e. no, don't contact me. i confirm that you should contact and pass on any information. they carefully check it and enter what concerns your question. a person close to you has disappeared. where should i contact? it is necessary to contact the national police and it is not the case that you called and said, i know. i have this

information that a relative or acquaintance of mine has disappeared. best, it does not work like that, and that is why when our community asks us a hotline that speaks to you is counted, it works , nothing has been initiated, criminal proceedings are not available, there is no choice , there is a single register of state investigations , you need to come yourself from the territorial branch of the national police at your place of residence, write a statement if you are nearby or a relative, the person who disappeared without a trace during the war, you need to write a request to give you the status of victims . then you will have procedural rights until you have no reports that you were a victim, you will be either a pronoun or a witness, and that is why it is important here again in 202 hours, 24 hours in a day, contact the next branch of that territorial

branch on the floor, make sure and take an extract from the register of the unified state investigation register, where the investigator or prosecutor has already made an entry, and you still need to make sure that the national police is a territorial department. where did you turn to? who did they come from? who entered this information into the single register of e-e persons who disappeared without a letter under special circumstances ? why is this so that later you just received an extract from the registry of npps and already raspberries only the right to state support on the social guarantee for benefits for payments, but they were able to implement it is true how can you apply here i am reading 24/7 hotline is number 1648 well and further kyiv 207 81 65 further e-mail is the site ni-.gov.ua through

a special form for inquiries telegram- channel page on facebook and this site is working. i came now, i enter the nation, prices, i take it to inform, uh, next here , captivity, disappearance, deportation, forced transfer, deportation, forced transfer of a child, forced mobilization in temporarily occupied territories. well, unfortunately, death, which is the largest section, that is, in the register, is it possible at all look, ms. lyudmila, because i understand that the list of these people is not in public access, so you can only enter it into the database, but you can’t read the database in public access, is it possible? no, you can’t of course, this register is available to those who work with it, and it is possible for the coordination headquarters for the treatment of prisoners of war, whether every person is lost in order to be searched for. what if they were found in a chase, then they were returned from this captivity, but i would like us to distinguish between

these registers defenders, which is the national information bureau. when information about a missing person is entered, and the national information bureau takes care of it, the authorized officer from the good missing persons bistro is already there, but the other one is already there. the single register of state investigations is when you need to contact the national police to get an extract from the unified register of state investigations, as we say erdr , and then get an extract from the register of the ministry of internal affairs , which is called the single register, disappeared without trees under special circumstances - this is an extract provides the right to exercise either a person who is now in captivity and who will come out later or will be found or the family of this person who disappeared

without social guarantees. that is, these are different registers, different functions, different powers and different rights and obligations in relation to that person or an acquaintance or a close relative or a relative has gone missing well, mrs. lyudmila, i would like to get your comment about the rather important event of the last few days, the state bureau of investigation reported a suspicion of treason to the head of the material service of the rear of the 501st marine battalion. i would like to remind you that the marines took a direct part in the defense of mariupol. in fact, there was a suspicion that it was this 501st battalion of marines who deserted and went and was captured, actually voluntarily laying down their weapons. according to my sources

, this is not true. people were completely misled, and finally, now this situation is becoming clear, because they, as prisoners who voluntarily surrendered their weapons , could not even claim any payments , correct mrs. lyudmila, yes, we took care of , and now we continue to take care of the 36th brigade and the 501st battalion when that was all, well, dianina was uh, and in these certificates, which military unit commanders gave to their relatives in order to issue some payments there , they wrote that there are signs of desertion, signs of desertion - this does not mean anything, we have presumption of innocence, there is no evidence, there is no verdict, there is no sign. and that's why we did everything and helped, and here we must give credit for what they are. these women who almost lost contact with their relatives, who were looking for their relatives, who

tried to have evidence that they are not deserters , they did many, many meals and all payments to these citizens that belonged to them were made, if they were not made, then they went to court and such decisions were made by the court, but what you reminded me of now, yes , before this task, this question is extremely important . it removed all suspicions, all closed criminal cases affairs regarding all these marines of the 501st battalion and finally they can just get and have already got into this list for exchanges of return and you know that justice is there but it must be fought for including in such cases today as terrible as our state but we are now trying to after all, the location of these dead bodies was established so that they were on the appropriate

lists and that finally everything was done by the state at the coordination headquarters, i am convinced that they will make it possible for the return of our citizens to the motherland thank you lyudmila denysova, human rights defender, head of the ukrainian center for the protection of human rights, in direct contact with the studio. thank you for your participation, and now, traditionally, at this time , we have news on the espresso tv channel. anzhelika sezonenko appears on our screens . we invite you to speak. thank you, colleagues . finally , the court sentenced the former law enforcement officers who killed the five-year-old boy kirill four years ago