[000:00:00;00] and that was our first program together bereber kristina thank you to all our viewers from espresso and atp glory to ukraine, this program is the verdict my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today may 25, 456 days of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers on thursday night the russians once again attacked ukraine from the air kyiv was attacked already on the 12th of may explosions rang out again in kharkiv there were hits in the dnipropetrovsk region the ukrainian military said

that all 36 shaheds who were heading to ukraine from in the northern and southern directions were shot down today moscow and minsk signed a document on the deployment of russian tactical weapons on the territory of the republic of belarus the use of weapons will be controlled by the kremlin may 25 the next round of the meeting of the defense ministers of the members of the so-called rammstein group is to be held today at the meeting decisions are expected to be made on providing ukraine military aid, they will also talk about the transfer of f-16 aircraft to the ukrainian army , the russian occupiers will continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine as of the morning of may 25, the russians have already lost 205,000,260 people in ukraine in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 500 orks since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 3,795 tanks, 7,432 armored

combat vehicles, 3,359 artillery systems , 570 rocket salvo systems, 327 anti-aircraft weapons defense 309 aircraft 296 helicopters 6148 units of automotive equipment 18 ships boats 1015 cruise missiles 2907 drones 444 units of special equipment belarus has nuclear weapons aviation rammstein and who attacked the cream from about this and about other things we will talk about during the next hour i want to introduce today's first guest, this is oleksandr khara, a diplomat, an expert on foreign and security policy of the center of defense strategies of mr. oleksandr good day, good health to you and glad to see you on our broadcast that day, mr. serhiy, it is also nice to see you, let's start today's news, because this news appeared

literally an hour or a half ago, two ministers of defense, serhiy shoigu and viktor hryenin accordingly, the minister of defense of russia and belarus signed a document on the deployment of non-strategic nuclear weapons on the territory of the republic of belarus, that is, tactical nuclear weapons in the conditions of non-compliance with the security guarantees provided by the republic of belarus to the budapest memorandum of december 5, 1994 of that year , as well as continuous bellicose rhetoric supported by practical actions against the republic of belarus of the russian federation, on the part of the countries of the collective event, on behalf of the heads of our states, work was organized on the placement on the territory of the republic of belarus of strategic nuclear weapons of the russian federation, this will be an effective response to the aggressive policy of countries unfriendly to us, and

we hope it will make their leadership think about the inadmissibility of further escalation of the situation in the region , khrenin said. it is possible to perceive that the republic of belarus is turning into a large military nuclear training ground for the russian federation. yes, you are absolutely right, this is actually a crime against the belarusian people because they do not get access, that is, they cannot operate these weapons, well, against the imaginary threat from the west, but they will definitely become an additional target for nato member countries, because, in fact, now, they will have to react in some way with from the point of view of either the strategic or the tactical level of these weapons on the territory of the republic of belarus for russia, in principle there is no, because there is kaliningrad

, because there are actually nuclear weapons on the russian territories from the mainland, what they did is just an attempt in some way, let's say, increase the degree of opposition by institutions, force it to make concessions, first of all, stop supplying weapons to ukraine, and force us to make some territorial compromises, by and large, the only advantage that russia currently has in this matter is the deployment of weapons the fact that they can do it easier than, let's say, transporting certain means to kolingrad, either by sea or by land, because with finland's entry into nato, in fact, the baltic sea has become an internal sea of ​​nato, is it possible to say even about the don so certain, that's why, by and large, the reaction should be of course that every step of the kremlin, every step

of the illegitimate president of belarus, he should receive an appropriate diplomatic response. i hope that the ukrainian one will also because , well, you quoted this document it is very strange that they start with the budapest memorandum, which actually the russian federation is joint with the republic of belarus . from the side of ukraine was not understood from the side of the western countries. that is why it is such a distorted world, which does not give the belarusians any fertilizer, but makes them a target for the members of the nato country in the event , god forbid, of a nuclear confrontation in my heart . well, at least until the airing of this program, but yesterday, the president of kazakhstan, kasym zhamar tokaev, who spoke at the meeting of eurasia, the european community, the post of the soviet

republics and the states led by russia, and what he said is that if the formula is two countries, one state, he is very worried and he is indignant the president of the unification of the russian federation and belarus says that even nuclear weapons, one for two, require discussion of another level of integration, let's hear such a thing, we have it, and the russian economic union is a federal state, that is, in world political history, a unique precedent or phenomenon has been created, as in the creation of a state according to peter's formula, one state with a single political, legal, military

, economic, monetary, cultural , and humanitarian space, a single federal government with a single parliament. well, i i'm sorry, and even nuclear weapons are one for two now, that's why the second level of integration is represented by kazakhstan , er, kyrgyzstan, armenia, er, and this is a reality. we need to consider it. in this economic form, he will discuss these problems, as they say with the mouth of takayev, who is making these calls, well , conditionally speaking, china should also have an interesting reaction, because we remember that the decision on the deployment or the news about the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons

putin announced after the meeting with xi jinping and for putin. it was also news because he shook everyone's hand just a few days ago and then some two or three days later announced the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons. how do you think china will perceive it? because it is also very important for china that the countries that are part of the conditional gender about the chinese and kazakhstan and kazakhstan and other countries located in central asia still feel safe because judging by the territory of this tokaeva, he also, uh, he also doesn’t like the fact that nuclear weapons are now shared by two states. well , considering

the fact that russia. of course it was a grand event . well, i would generally call it a celebratory handover of the former colonies of the russian empire of the soviet union to china's sphere of influence . china has actually shown that it integrates these central asian states into its sphere of influence. of course, more and more security will be provided by china. of course, russia is not capable of doing anything serious there, because in fact, in ukraine, it destroyed it with its stupidity. all that they could protect and project, that is, spread their power beyond the borders of the russian federation. and by the way, this asian direction is the most dangerous for the russian federation

, because there are astro-urban movements of displacement weapons, drugs and other things. well, i'm not talking about waves of emigration, that's why it should have been a central asian state for russia , it's a priority for normal russia to play an important security role there, not an imperial role . well, that's it. of course, china has to somehow react to the deployment of nuclear weapons but i do not think that it will be a sharp reaction, since there are several such moments, first of all, china sees russia’s war with ukraine as actually russian honey. some legitimate security interests were taken into account, but do you remember well how, in fact, two years ago in december, it seems that russia issued an ultimatum to the united states and member countries of nato that they should actually disband at least and expose their eastern flank and throw the baltics out of poland

. well, the americans should have removed from the territory of europe in general, including taking away their nuclear weapons. of course, it was completely unrealistic if america had lost or the defense in in general, he lost in which war it could be implemented , let's say, but it didn't happen. and actually china supports such and such rhetoric. it doesn't like the expansion of nato . of course, it doesn't like the containment of china. it means the same project that is with the british and the australians, the americans will actually provide australia with nuclear submarines . they will not be armed with such weapons. can say more er than that formally some kind of deserved moreover, the essence of china itself over the past few years is very rapidly increasing its nuclear potential, we know that

in fact these mines were launch mines er , so they were created there, they call it several thousand and a half, it seems that the number is not accurate i can call everything precisely a departure from the peaceful , let's say, china's approach to nuclear weapons, to the possible use and quantity of these weapons, so i do not expect any sharp reaction, but most likely a diplomatic one that is, they are about some kind of statement that will be made in the world, then he realizes that he needs to demonstrate any success there on the international stage, it is obvious that this is a meeting of the eurasians, and before that, a formal meeting of the leaders of the so-called cis in st. petersburg, they must be about the fact that he is looking for some kind of support and demonstration, well, at least to the russians that he is still a person who

influences the world. yesterday, putin was beautifully played by lukashenko. he said that russia wants to be a leader in international organizations directly in the sco and brics at the same time, as the self-proclaimed president of belarus says, russia has challenged the unipolar world, it is at the forefront of these processes. well , lukashenko says, or at least demonstrates that he is close to russia. by a locomotive and in six bricks in that denmark, the dynamics of these organizations are developed

. here the request screams in all mass media against russia, huge russia has not dropped requests to call on the polar world russia is at the forefront of these processes well , we are close, but in this speech, in this world, i was struck by the phrase progressive humanity , all progressive humanity is just waiting for russia together with belarus will be at the head of these processes, well, i mean brics and the highway. how do you assess the leadership or, let's say , russia's influence on this organization, and it is clear that they are now using russia as resource state, but the resourcefulness of russia also has its own certain limits and influence, uh, will these organizations be able to help putin to be politically rehabilitated on the international arena

, so that progressive humanity appreciates it? well, it is possible to pull the director of a collective farm out of communism. yes , communism and all this rhetoric were unambiguous if we evaluate internal processes, economic , technological, even cultural in russia, it is difficult to call it progressive. on the contrary, it is a retrograde, closed state, which in fact will slowly leave the historical scene. she cannot be a signal locomotive or a model for anyone. of course, there are countries of that person, if we are talking about brics, new centers of economic growth, then they sometimes have the same interests, but on the other hand, i think the same sisinpin looks at his junior partner. and from nuclear weapons well, in fact, with the failure of kyiv in three days and in fact with the blackmailing of the world of nuclear weapons and

the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, which means grain and other things, that is, that this is an unstable, unpredictable partner, they are not they can abandon him and will support him, but they also cannot be, well, how surely they would like to use such a common front to destroy this unipolar system , as the same lukashenko called it, other countries have other interests, that too india, i hope that after a certain time, it will still stick to the western a-a camp more than the chinese or russian one, because of course they are interested in russian energy carriers, uh, uoslip jonaul , they calculated that about 5 billion dollars is that that new delhi saved by importing russian oil at a big discount. well, not only are they consumed, but they are also resold by transferring to european countries. they are still buying

russian weapons, although you have already given up on this wunderwaffe e fighter, which of course is not of the fifth generation and there was a big problem , they refused to buy only a few russian helicopters there. well, in fact, after the failure of this again, wonderful, i don’t think that anyone seriously looks at the russian missile systems there or the rppo systems again, the strikes that our armed forces were able to deliver, both on the territory of crimea and the russian federation itself, they simply show that russia is not technologically advanced, and that is why they i think they are hindus , others will think about whether it is necessary to buy this junk but on the other hand

so far , they are not trying to be as neutral as they are. are developing to perceive the russian-ukrainian war as a global problem, but uh, that means they did not help us solve our problems and do not consider them worthy of attention either. months, russian diplomacy and propaganda began to use this topic very actively, what about the colonial western colonial powers, and again they want to do something like this here, and russia, as the successor of the soviet union, it against american hegemony against colonial practices well, do you remember this speech by putin about uh, what does uh mean , the west is drawn in the past as colonial and so on, that's why russia can't be a model, no one

will follow it, but there will be her to use resources first, and secondly, the authorities, actually, sometimes they express interests that are, first of all, mine. regarding this international system, which does not take into account the interests of other countries, brazil itself does not feel very comfortable, especially pencil the government by force means them of course they are trying to find allies in other places for economic development and to promote their interests that do not coincide with the american ones. but this is definitely not a locomotive, i would say such stones are on the neck of these states and they will still regret it because their reputation is actually suffering now that they support , either openly or indirectly, a national war and the russian federation, which is actually

destroying the world order that allowed these countries to develop more or less in peace and have access to technology. now we see this separation, primarily between the west and china. but it will be with other states that do not represent on the side of the democratic countries in recent times, mr. oleksandr, we are watching this, as well as the russian side and the belarusian side they are talking about the fact that minsk and moscow are waging a war against ukraine, that the west is waging a war against belarus and russia, today serhiy shoigu - the minister of defense of the russian federation, or rather the minister of attack of the russian federation, said that they oppose the west, that it is the west that started this war. putin uses his rhetoric to say that they are conducting a special military operation to stop the war in

ukraine. he says that there is a historical injustice, that it is necessary to overcome this historical injustice. now putin is submitting a certain doctor from donbass, a children's doctor, she said that for nine years, for nine years, donbass reflects an attack on the people who live there for nine years, against these people, our enemy , the enemy of our people, wages war there often they say that russia has started some kind of war. russia, with the help of a special military operation, is trying to end this war, which is being waged against us, against our people, the honor of which, due to historical

adversity, ended up outside the borders of the historical russian state. well , they did not stop being by our people, well, this is the traditional practice of putin in black , to say white, white, black, to show some maps where ukraine is indicated and to say that there is no ukraine there, as was the case with the head of the constitutional court of the russian federation who laid out the french maps of the 18th or 17th century and proved that the word ukraine is not written there . what does the chairman of the constitutional court have to do with what is written there on those maps? well, this is also a very big question, who and how and why are they trying to convince that no, no, not russia, but supplied weapons to the people who were in the donbas, and it was not russia that went there in order to start a war, this is more of an internal story for

the internal consumer, or even for the external one as well. well, we know for sure that the borders of russia begin where they are given requests and let's actually say we hope that in the near future we will deny our territorial integrity and they will know that there is no need to move here and there is no need to get some maps and all that. of course, in their minds there is no ukraine as such. the actions are not peoples like this, of course they have to feed him for leps this to show why they are fighting yes why there are our people who are even i am from donetsk i am russian speaking er i am orthodox well i am not a religious person yes but that is i should be

our person for him. yes, and people like me are a large number, but accurate . well, i don’t want to see ukraine or a part of it in the russian world. the leftists in the west say, well, look, there are some over there. well, okay, zelenskyi is not a nazi, but there are elements there in tsivsk, and they were there, well, they were pressuring the russian-speaking orthodox and so on, and so on. well, let's do something when there is a compromise in ukraine and if it would be there whether the language or uh there the church is protected from these encroachments but then it is clear the audience of the global rooster because again these narratives are very common there i would say so what with this war that we have been seeing for the last 400 plus days i i don't say in nine years, but there was even an epiphany in the west that they didn't know ukraine. i

would even say that there are actually three important things that happened with that. rediscovered from himself that values democracy is important and i constantly repeat the words of timati snyder that we, that is, the west, should be grateful to the ukrainians for the fact that they began to defend themselves and their values, and we have time to rethink and prepare, that is, in fact, to defend ourselves, he primarily meant democratic institutions, not war, the second point is that we once again entered the era of great geographical discoveries, because the west actually rediscovered ukraine, because it was not in their minds, because it was actually formed by russian narratives historical that we are one people there, maybe there is some difference, but in general, it is such a cultural space, one and the same, and the third point, well, in fact, it is already ours, for

ukrainians, it is the awareness of ourselves as ukrainians , what ukrainian nation, those who, let’s say, were a little apart earlier who was intimidated by these or other issues of ukrainian as such and that . actually, this process is objectively impossible to stop, but in russia they cannot stop with this falsified history, because their entire ideology is built on these myths with this war, with our victory, the entire third rome will actually be destroyed, the idea will be destroyed because without ukraine, because most of the churches and believers in our territory have been restored with the ptsu, let's say canonical means, they can't claim it, the early russian lands also don't work ukraine is an independent sovereign state , it was not possible to capture it, and in fact the last

myth that will be destroyed is a great victory there on may 9, so-called even with a small ukraine that does not exist , this is the first moment and the second moment to those who will reach those crimes that the russians, all russians have committed on the territory of ukraine, that they have no moral right to refer to this great victory of 1945 and that is why in fact they are trying to putin and his entourage there are trying again to pull out some er facts that confirm this russian mythology and continue this war, but behind the straight curve you can't hide parallel to this alexander, we observe two more the first processes are peace initiatives, the so-called group of five african countries, and the leaders of these african countries want to meet separately with zelenskyi and with putin, e.e. the peace initiatives of brazil and the peace initiatives

of the vatican, obviously they all go in parallel , but somewhere from the same place or from the same mailbox on gmail, and at the same time there was information that the west is preparing security guarantees for ukraine , like israel the united states as guarantors will also stand in for anti-british germany and france. by the way, france, the french foreign ministry confirmed that france is ready to provide security guarantees to ukraine in the long term. well, obviously it is about regular military assistance for the training of our military, that is, do i understand the concept of guarantee correctly? of security, that they will help us, even though valery chaliy, the former ambassador of ukraine

to the united states of america, says that for what purpose i will invent a bicycle, quoting valeriy chalova, and there are already official, but not public discussions, which security model will be better for ukraine, my humble advice, don't break your brains, don't try to reinvent the bicycle, and even on four and a half wheels, ukraine's quick accession to nato is the optimal model, and it's more reliable, stable, and even cheaper, what do these security guarantees mean for the first time, oleksandr, is valery chaly right here when he says that all these conversations and any peace initiatives are just a screen behind which, anyway , there is the north atlantic alaska, to which we must come, yes i absolutely i agree with mr. valery, because in fact, if we are what guarantees are , guarantees are actually a legal obligation