[000:00:00;00] it seems unattainable and will give you the opportunity to overcome other challenges and corruption, internal distribution and so on. therefore , the victory in the great one gives us the opportunity to win in smaller things according to their scale , so i am convinced that in 10 years from the victory, what we all wish that ukraine will be much more similar to countries like poland than today. i traveled in poland on the way to ukraine and i want to tell you that poland has been fundamentally transformed in the last 30 years, it is a shining and free and

prosperous country and this victory will open the same way for your country as well as for me, please be very concise because we have washington on the line, we will have an inclusion er, they tell me to withdraw, then we will now er talk with washington and return to the issue in us on the connection of washington we are pleased to welcome ms. victoria nuland, deputy secretary of state of the united states for political affairs, and i will ask arseniy yatsenyuk to introduce our guest, please, ms. victoria nuland, everyone knows who ms. deputy secretary of state for political affairs is, she is

a true friend of ukraine. she is a defender of faith in democracy, freedom, the world order and the humanity of humanity. mrs. deputy secretary of state, my word is with you, and on behalf of the kyiv security forum, we are extremely grateful to you for all the efforts you are making to support ukraine, we were able to do incredible we believe that ukraine will win together with you good day to all arseniy, ukrainian friends , it is a great honor for me to be with you again. who would have thought that for 15 to 15 months we will be here in ukraine with ukrainians who not only survived but also are advancing and meet all our expectations that ukraine will win and be prosperous. i congratulate you with washington. now

how are you planning a counteroffensive with our help ? we have also been working on it with you for four or five months. we are now starting to discuss with representatives of the ukrainian authorities with our friends in kyiv and with civilians and with the military, the future of ukraine, so i think it would be very useful to talk about fundamental things and how we move from the group of seven summit in hiroshima and the historic participation of the president zelenskyi there until the nato summit of freedom and therefore already forward ukraine and the whole world , first of all we think about security, we believe that ukraine will need such a military force that will be of a high class, world class and will be

a sufficient deterrent for russia and no matter how much it happened in order to build such a security so that russia could see that now and in the future it will not be able to attack ukraine, this is the first, second, the strongest possible economy, and i see here mrs. yeresko , who spoke about this and spoke about not only about survival and about prosperity, and we wish that ukraine has everything it needs in order to move towards its membership in the european union and to play a significant role not only in the fact that you yourself will prosper and grow, but in order to contribute to

growth and stability vitality of the whole of europe, so ukraine can do everything with the creation of jobs both in the it sphere and in the production sphere in order to employ its emigrants who dream of returning home. and after your defenders return from the front line, ukraine can become one of the drivers of europe on this path, and thirdly, it is about the fact that you are a model of democracy not only for your people, but also for the whole world, you are an extremely bright example of what it means to stand up for your principles for your country, and we know that ukrainians support a more democratic, cleaner, more european, and a more prosperous ukraine as a model for

the whole world in the sense of democratic development , and this requires constant unity within the country and between your partners, and we are working on all this together with you and arseniy, for this, i pass the floor to you, thank you to a certain territory, it was victoria nuland, the deputy secretary of state of the united states for political affairs. thank her, and i still want to give the floor to taviris. congratulations . and oksana vysochanska is working for you in the studio . actually, the first panel of the kyiv security forum just ended and we had the opportunity to broadcast it or listen and observe what is happening there now. the first panel

was about the launch of the security council kyiv speech forum about this, in fact, a new advisory group that should help bring our victory closer, they actually talked about the approach of this victory and the scenarios. 12th meeting of rammstein meeting of the contact group on the defense of ukraine so let's listen to one whole tenth of a billion dollars together we will also talk about the delivery of ammunition

as well as strengthening the ukrainian peppa system, of course our efforts will be aimed at strengthening the security situation of ukraine, and we will also talk about the equipment that is most urgently needed for ukraine right now , we are talking about radars, ammunition, air defense systems , and of course we will talk about the provision of ammunition with a diameter 155 of the 155th caliber . you see. we now understand and the realities show that now the work of air defense is extremely crucial for ukraine, and that is why we worked together in order to understand how we can

to strengthen ukraine's air defense capability. we also sincerely thank our german partners uh who uh promised to provide ukraine with new additional leopard tanks and in general germany's aid has already reached 3 billion dollars uh also ah if we are talking about uh no about denmark, data will be provided from the air defense installation in the future. france has also committed to provide modern tanks to the armed forces of ukraine .

partner countries will continue to train ukrainian soldiers on their training grounds, and in particular on modern tanks, and at the beginning of this month, large-scale exercises on abrams tanks began, and president biden also said that we will increase efforts together with our partners in the alliance in order to train ukrainian soldiers passed at a faster pace than a tank, we will work for the future and strengthen the situation without such a situation.

the sovereignty and security of ukraine in the future has never wavered, and ukraine could repel any attack, and now you really see . we will continue to provide ammunition, which is very necessary, and 65 billion dollars have already been transferred to ensure security in ukraine, and therefore we understand that our unity is now and above all and therefore, we should be with ukraine as long as it takes. the whole world now sees and understands our contribution, they understand what ukraine is doing now. you see that russia now continues to use hypersonic

missiles in order to establish a threat to ukrainians, to civilians, and also thanks to the most modern air defense systems the patriot system provided by the usa, as well as the systems transferred by our european partners, now ukraine can one hundred percent shoot down enemy missiles, and we have already seen this in reality, and that is why we are here now let's review once again what is necessary for ukraine in order to protect its skies. yes, russia does not succeed in dominating the airspace of ukraine, and therefore, right now, the focus of our discussion will be precisely on the safe skies in ukraine, as always , our good friend oleksiy joins us

raznikov and thank you for your time and for providing us with information about the most legal needs of ukraine, as well as the assistance that will be provided to ukraine today, we will be as focused as possible on this. speed up the industrial production of the necessary equipment so we will delve into the details and we will continue to look for creative ways to increase industrial power and with so we our will is strong and therefore we will continue to be together and fight for freedom we will continue to fight for the rule of law and protection rights, and in order for ukraine to preserve its sovereignty, we will be unwavering steadfastness only as long as it

takes thank you this was floyd austin , the minister of defense of the united states of america and from meetings in the rammstein format, it was already 12, actually the 12th meeting has already started, this was his opening speech at the beginning of this uh meeting also at 19:30 we expect a joint press conference on the results of this meeting and the espresso tv channel will broadcast it, so join and stay tuned, i am sure it will be interesting, i am sure, i also remind you that there is currently a broadcast from the kyiv security forum on our youtube channel, where they actually discuss the strategies of the victory, the scenarios , the possibility of the scenario of the victory of ukraine in this war, eh. there are many interesting speakers and important so join us watch and

stay with us in a moment we will discuss all this with our guests meanwhile we have very possible news today ukraine freed another 106 defenders from russian captivity - these are warriors from the bakhmut direction eight officers and 98 soldiers from non-commissioned officers and 68 of them were considered missing . andriy yarmak, the head of the president, told about this, and i add that three more bodies of two foreigners and one ukrainian woman were actually repatriated, as noted by the ukrainian counteroffensive has been going on for several days, according to him, the military is conducting separate operations, and russia has sent employees of the ministry of internal affairs to luhansk region to strengthen forced passporting , meanwhile, south korea has sent hundreds of thousands of artillery shells to ukraine

. projectiles, these projectiles will first reach the united states of america, and from there they will be delivered to ukraine. was in a hurry with such deliveries and with the provision of lethal weapons to ukraine, but after president yun seok yeol visited washington last month and met with president joe biden there, the opinion or plans have obviously changed and now we will also have help from south korea, so we are back to talking about ramstein is also about weapons, about military aid, and we are in touch with oleg forest, the vice president of the political analytical center, mr. oleg. i congratulate you. good afternoon. did you follow the beginning or

maybe listen to lloyd austin, for example the big frog was on the way. but i heard the beginning of the event in general . yes, and the main centers. i also understood what the ukrainian side actually did. declarative, in fact, we are now talking about the intention and about our wishes, and these wishes are clear, and i think that the horizon itself supported this for our partners , and each of the speakers who were and will be. they also realize that ukraine should be in the nato, but in terms of terms. maybe we have a question about how secure it can be. let’s say that the predecessor is in the form of the israeli version or something else, but

it is written in our constitution and it is already ingrained in people’s minds. we do not want to be israel we want to be ukraine in the sense that we should be in nato , because even in the israeli guarantees for israel, there are a lot of issues that cannot be applied to ukraine. more and more politicians are declaring that they will not offer us membership at the summit in vilnius, or do you think that we have any chance for some special formula? actually, not for the israeli scenario, but for the ukrainian one , or some other one, membership is partially possible, etc. what are the methods and what are the mechanisms to implement it and to get it for us, we definitely will not get membership because we have one obstacle, it is in the form of the russian federation , this is a fact. and unfortunately, we will not be able

to destroy it until the summer, so i would really like to so that we get the following formula that if everyone declares that it will be after the victory, then i want such a formula, so next - conditionally there is 23 , some kind of date yes, so we won russia and we must lead to set clear deadlines in two weeks , in two months, not years, not tens of years in we should have clear dates, but no later than conditionally on such and such a date, we must start negotiations on accession, and then the guarantees that were applied to finland will apply . maybe, but not others, that is, we cannot replace nato with anything because we have already changed here and the whole world has changed so that we are now fighting for nato and for europe, for myself i understand your position, but the question of victory is such a very difficult question, that is, it has already been said more than once

that it probably will not be a question of one day, today is still a war, and tomorrow we have already won yes, that is, how to determine this day, this moment, uh, when we have already passed through that neighbor and can move somewhere further. and i completely agree with you that it cannot be like this, it is very simple, it is very easy to start a war, as our famous singers sing, but it is very difficult to stop because it depends not only on us, that's why i well, the vision of victory must be the same for us and for the west , because they cannot be different, because then it will not be clear neither to our partners nor to us what victory is for me, victory is absolutely great this is when we enter the borders of 1991, i join nato, we join the eu and we collapse the russian federation. it is clear that this is a very big

prospect and a big victory, so it will be possible in several stages, but then the fixation of victory. well, conditionally, we drive the enemy out of in the 1991 year, court trials begin, there are some more negotiations conditionally regarding russia. but this is the full stop, and from this moment we have to count down to joining nato, and how do you imagine it actually this moment when the process begins and we start counting down, that is, we have returned to the borders in 1991, conditionally, if we have such a term, fixing the end of the war, this is the moment i mean. that is, there may still be some other processes taking place, well, we mean not combat, in any case, putin was dragged there, and he and lukashenko and that's it another story is a story about punishment. and the fixation of the war will be a clear date and the eyes of a clear date. we must also understand the agenda, which will be how soon we will join nato

, and we must talk about it now on the shores of victory, because we remember very well and they should not be clearly understood by everyone in this term, unlike in the budapest memorandum, where some read one thing, others read others, and in the end something third came out. therefore, it is a very serious challenge for the civilized world to be adults and clearly take it upon themselves responsibility, because after that it is necessary to rebuild ukraine to all the worlds, as they say, and this is a good vision , a minimum initial one in order to record the victory and for everyone to imagine that this is a victory, mr. oleg , came up with some options for the scandinavian countries. you can change the procedure a little, you can find a different format . what is stopping nato or who and which countries

before ukraine can offer something else ? russia is stopping me. i am saying this again because it is a war. a component that cannot be taken in by a new member in which there is an open military conflict, and in our view, a civilizational war is so from the countries . this is hungary and the same one. we will start putting our foot in the door and sometimes even our allies can do something because we must be realistic when this process begins everyone will think for themselves and we must prepare to carry out reforms even during war this does not stop us what we can do now a what finland has shown is that if there is political expediency, it is possible to shorten all terms, remove the pdc and make a simplified

formula for the donation, but here it must be emphasized that finland was actually ready financially, legally, economically, and militarily for nato access . -e reforms , too . we have them because we have them close to and before joining the eu. that's why this is not about anyone's homework. it 's about us. pragmatic and do not make any concessions in the sense that we are not sold out of nato into some other pill that will then lead to another war, but you mentioned the reforms that are in question, and we are now talking about nato and not about joining the european union the truth, well, yes, but they intersect in the legal sphere and well, this is a complex approach, that is, a military and political one, that now there is still a war going on

, what can we do ? it is very important, but our military component will be better in europe until the end of the war. i have no doubt that the army will be more powerful on the day of our victory in europe. it will not be possible in the united states. maybe in china. that in nato, they don't take the army too much, they take the country too much, that's why you are the head of the army, but the economy has to be tightened so that you meet the standards, and there is a senator and a politician, too. freedom of speech, well , there is a lot to do, so that all this happens on the day when

we will enter so that this homework has already been completed, because i emphasize that it is not about them, it is about us , this is what we need first of all. apart from these reforms, in addition to changes in the economy, in addition to the fight against corruption on the diplomatic front , we can see which countries we need to work with in particular that some countries, germany too, in a year's time, how drastically their attitude towards us has changed, from one pole to another, in fact, they have jumped, but at the same time, there are other countries that, perhaps even their attitude is still now it is worse for ukraine than before, who should we work with in the diplomatic field and how about, first of all, with my favorite in quotation marks , hungary, because it serves, in my opinion , this is a subjective assessment, serves the interests of russia, and maybe when russia falls, this nuance will disappear by myself because there won't be anyone who will pay for the music, so orban will not perform the music in this

. i think that questions may arise at this stage. to resolve some nuances, we must now scan the pain points . i simply cannot name them now except for hungary, because it lies on the surface, but we must understand and study the experience of the entry of the 30th first-32nd country. i think it will already be, we will be 33- we are in order not to repeat mistakes or iron out these corners much earlier than they arose, how exactly to work and what exactly to do. it certainly should not be any completely polite visits or any statements for the sake of statements, for sure it will not be any exhibitions or just meetings

artists , it should be some kind of heavy artillery on the diplomatic field, if it were. collective pressure, because hungary, for example, in the european union, is not very liked in the european union, there is simply no time and inspiration to deal with it now, because it can delay during the war, support for reducing support for ukraine. therefore, we need to develop a coalition of those who are 100% for us, and this must be studied right now. and then, if someone does not agree or there are any questions or, er, in a bilateral sense, decide to decide by group pressure, as i say. and this is necessary, it all depends on diplomacy, it is very important and no less important than on the battlefield, now is the task for ukraine , mr. olezh, now there are a lot of millions of ukrainians in europe, in the status of refugees, in the status of those who

are seeking refuge due to russian aggression, and among these people there is an incredibly large number of specialists, engineers, doctors, medical people, people who have a broad worldview and who know a lot and know a lot, or in addition to diplomacy, which is in kyiv , which is at the consulates, embassies, can we somehow involve these people who are now on the ground, some have already spent more than a year in these countries, understand the specifics of the mentality of poles, germans, italians, swedes , whatever - who, how can we use them, we have already had such a situation, this is a difficult comment because there was such a term, but now it has become a mass ambassador, every ukrainian is a representative of ukraine

abroad, and yes, this is a very powerful resource ago that through them, through our citizens, they look at ukraine, that this is a nation that is hardworking, that for the first time is not looking for help, but is looking for a job to provide for itself and a child or children, that is why we must have many people who are opinion leaders who go beyond the borders of our state. there are artists. you can’t reject former politicians, for example. yes, and again , authorities in certain spheres , military, economic, as you said there and it, and so on, they should all be involved in this activity, and it’s you. well, it’s not only a question about someone else, about the government, and about the check - about our future, so i believe that this resource must be used to the full extent. i understand that it should be used in this way