[000:00:00;00] no, it is an extraordinary story, and as our experts said, if they are already talking about it officially, it means that the matter has actually already been decided, so we say goodbye until tomorrow , and now the espresso tv channel continues the verdict with serhiy rudenko, the word to ukraine is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko everyone good day and good health today , may 25, 456 days of heroic actions against the ukrainian people against the russian occupiers. on thursday night, the russians once again attacked ukraine from the air. kyiv already on the 12th of may was attacked, explosions rang out again in kharkiv, there was a hit in the dnipropetrovsk region, the ukrainian military said that all 36 shaheds who were heading to ukraine from the north and south were shot down today, moscow

and minsk signed a document on the placement of russian tactical weapons on the territory of the republic of belarus, the use of weapons will be controlled by the kremlin 25 today , another round of the meeting of the defense ministers of the members of the so-called rammstein group is to be held . at the meeting, decisions are expected to be made on the provision of military aid to ukraine, they will also talk about the transfer of f-16 aircraft to the ukrainian army, the russian occupiers will continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, as of the morning of may 25, the russians have already lost 205,000,260 people in ukraine in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 500 orks since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost 3795 tanks, 7432

armored fighting vehicles, 3359 artillery systems , 570 rocket launchers, 327 air defense systems, 309 aircraft 296 helicopters 6148 units of automotive equipment 18 ships boats 1015 cruise missiles 2907 drones 444 units of special equipment nuclear weapons are in belarus aviation rammstein and who attacked the kremlin we will talk about this and other things during the next hour i want to introduce today's first guest this is oleksandr khara diplomats expert on issues of foreign and security policy of the center for defense strategies mr. oleksandr good day, good health to you and glad to see you on our broadcast good day mr. sergey, it's nice to see you too, let's start today's news, because actually this news appeared literally an hour or an hour and a half

ago . tactical nuclear weapons in the conditions of non-compliance with the security guarantees provided by the republic of belarus to the budapest memorandum of december 5, 1994 of that year, as well as continuous military rhetoric supported by practical actions towards the republic of belarus of the russian federation on the part of the countries of the collective action, on behalf of the heads of our states, work was organized on the deployment of belarusian strategic nuclear weapons of the russian federation on the territory of the republic, this will be an effective response to the aggressive policy of countries unfriendly to us and we hope will make their leadership think about the inadmissibility of further escalation of the situation in the region stated hrening

so, mr. oleksandr, the document has been signed, what does this mean globally for europe, for the world and for ukraine or uh, can it be perceived that the republic of belarus is turning into a large military nuclear training ground for the russian federation? yes, you are absolutely right, this is actually a crime against the belarusian people, since they do not get access, that is, they cannot operate these weapons, well, uh, against the imaginary it is clear that there is a threat from the west in the sick heads, but they will definitely become an additional target for the nato member states, because , in fact, now they will have to react in some way from the point of view of anya strategic there is no tactical level of these weapons on the territory of the republic of belarus for russia, in principle, because there is kaliningrad , because there are actually nuclear weapons on

the russian territories and on the mainland , so actually what they did was just an attempt somehow under the to increase the degree of opposition by institutions, to force it to make concessions, first of all to stop supplying weapons to ukraine, and to force us to make some territorial compromises , by and large, the only advantage that russia currently has in this matter in the deployment of weapons is that they can do it more easily than, let's say, transporting certain means to kolingrad, either by sea or by land, because with finland's entry into nato, in fact, the baltic sea has become an internal nato sea, or we can say even about the don, so certain, that's why, by and large, the reaction should be of course, every step of the kremlin, every step of the illegitimate president of belarus, should

receive an appropriate diplomatic response. i hope that the ukrainian one will also respond, because you quoted this document a lot. it's very strange that they start with the budapest memorandum, which actually the russian federation jointly with the republic of belarus violated in relation to ukraine , and in relation to belarus, there was no violation . this is such a distorted world, which does not give the belarusians any fertilizer, but makes them a target for nato members in the event of, god forbid , a nuclear confrontation, and i did not see well , at least until the airing of this program, but yesterday the president of kazakhstan kasim zhamar tokaev who spoke at the meeting of eurasia, this is the european community

of post-soviet republics and or states led by russia , and what he said is that the formula of two countries, one state is very disturbing to him, he is outraged by the precedent of the unification of the russian federation and belarus, he says that even nuclear weapons one on two requires discussion of another level of integration, we will hear such a one. we have also the russian economic union, a federal state of world political history created a unique precedent or phenomenon, how

was the creation of a state based on the formula of the country from one state with a single political, military, currency, cultural, and humanitarian space. all a single union government with a single union parliament. well, i'm sorry, and even nuclear weapons are one for two now, that's why there is a second level of integration represented by kazakhstan and the correstan of armenia, eh, and this is a reality. we need it is considered how we will work in these conditions , this is a conceptual issue. these calls are made by takayev's mouth, well, conditionally speaking, china should also have an interesting reaction, because we remember that putin announced the decision on the deployment or the news about the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons after the meeting with xi jinping, and for potin, this was also news

because uh- he shook everyone's hand literally a few days ago, and then some two or three days later he announced the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons. how do you think china will perceive this, because it is also very important for china , after all, that the countries that are part of conditional gender about the chinese and kazakhstan and kazakhstan, uh, other countries located in central asia still felt safe because, judging by tokaev's territory , he also uh, he also doesn't really like the fact that nuclear weapons are now shared by two states. well, and taking into account the fact that russia sometimes russian politicians just publicly articulate that the northern part of kazakhstan is part of russia and it is not necessary to forget about it. so it is. well , first. of course, there was a great event. well, i

generally called it a celebratory broadcast of the former of the colonies of the russian empire of the soviet union to china's sphere of influence i mean that it happened with imperial pomp so strange for a communist state where china actually showed that it integrates its own sphere of influence these are the central asian states . of course, more and more security will be provided by china . effort beyond the borders of the russian federation. and by the way, it is precisely this asian direction that is the most dangerous for the russian federation, because it is the movement of weapons , drugs and other things into extremist movements. well, i am not talking about

the waves of emigration, so the central asian state should have been for russia it is a priority for normal russia to play an important security role there, not an imperial role . well, that’s it. of course, china has to react in some way to the deployment of nuclear weapons, but i don’t think it will be a sharp reaction because there are several such moments, first of all, china sees russia's war with ukraine as actually russian honey. what did the united states and the west as a whole provoke russia because some of them were not taken into account, so these interests of legitimate security are in the interests of you remember well how in fact two years ago therefore, in december, it seems that russia issued an ultimatum to the united states and the members of the nato member countries that they should actually dissolve themselves, at least expose their eastern flank and throw out the ball of the state of poland from there. well, the americans generally had

to remove from the territory of europe, including taking away its nuclear weapons . of course, this was completely unrealistic. if america had lost or the west as a whole had lost in any war , it could have been implemented, let's say, but it did not happen. and china actually supports he doesn't like such rhetoric, the expansion of nato, of course he doesn't like china's deterrence , it means the same project that the americans are implementing with the british and with the australians will actually provide australia with nuclear submarines, they will not be armed with such weapons, but of course they will have greater autonomy and they are primarily aimed at containing china, so china has to say something, but it cannot say more than this formally, some kind of condemnation. moreover, the essence of china itself has been very rapidly increasing its nuclear potential over the past few years we know that in fact these

mines were start-up mines, so they were created there, they call them several thousand and a half. china to nuclear weapons, to the possible use and quantity of these weapons, that is why i do not expect any sharp reaction, but most likely they are somehow diplomatic, that is, they are about some kind of statement and will be heard that are currently being made in the world. putin understands that he needs to demonstrate any successes there on it is obvious to the international arena that this meeting of the eurasians and before that meeting a formal meeting of the leaders of the so-called cis in st. petersburg, they testify that he is looking for some kind of support and demonstration, well, at least to the russians that he

there is still a person who influences the world. yesterday, putin was beautifully played by mr. lukashenko. he said that mr. russia wants to be a leader in international organizations directly in the sco and in brics, and at the same time, as the self-proclaimed president of belarus says, russia has challenged the unipolar world. is at the forefront of these processes. well, lukashenko says, or at least demonstrates, that he is close to russia . denmark has developed the dynamics of these organizations. well, perhaps what progressive mankind dreams of in the future and their unification, russia should be very active

, its authority, well, i looked at the fact that here the west is shouting in all mass media against russia, huge russia has dared to challenge the polar world, russia is coming in the vanguard of these processes well, we are close, but in this speech, in this investigator, i was struck by the phrase progressive humanity, all progressive humanity is simply waiting for russia together with belarus to become the head of these processes, well, i mean brics and the sco. how do you currently assess russia's leadership or, let's say, russia's influence on this organization, and it is clear that they are using russia as a resource state, but russia's resourcefulness also has its own certain limits and influence, er, can these organization to help politically rehabilitate putin in the international arena

so that progressive humanity appreciates it. well, it is possible to pull the director of the collective farm out of communism. yes , communism and all this rhetoric are clear if we evaluate the internal economic processes technological, even cultural in russia, it is difficult to call it progressive. on the contrary, it is a retrograde, closed state, which actually quietly withdrew from the historical scene, so it cannot be a signal locomotive or a model for anyone. of course, there are countries of that person if we talk about brics, new centers economic growth, they sometimes have similar interests, but on the other hand, i think the same one looks at his junior partner and nuclear weapons. well

, in fact, with the failure of kyiv in three days and in fact, with the blackmail of the world of nuclear weapons and the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant and e-grain with other things, that is, that this is an unstable unpredictable partner, they cannot abandon him and will support him, but they also cannot be well, how surely they would like to destroy e-e with such a common front this unipolar system , as the same lukashenko called it, in other states there are other interests, that is also india, i hope that after a certain time it will still stick to the western a-a camp more than the chinese one of russian, because of course they are interested in russian energy carriers, e.e. wallstrijnal e calculated that about 5 billion dollars is what new delhi saved by importing russian oil at a large discount. well, not only are they consumed, but they are also resold by transferring to european countries, they still buy russian weapons, although you have already

given up on this fighter, which of course is not of the fifth generation, and there was a big problem, they refused to buy only a few russian helicopters there. well, actually after the failure of this again, the wunderwaffe is a dagger, i don’t think that anyone is seriously looking at the russian missile systems there or air defense systems , again, those strikes that our armed forces were able to inflict both on the territory of crimea and the russian federation itself, they simply show that well, russia is not technologically advanced and that's why they are. i think they are hindus. others there will think about whether it is necessary to buy this junk. but on the other hand , well, so far they are not trying to be as if neutral. they are dissatisfied with western approaches to their problems. very often they say that the west now

wants us to have my emotions as developing countries to perceive the russian-ukrainian war as a global problem, but that means they did not help us solve our problems and do not consider them as which are also worth paying attention to. of course, this is anti-colonial anti-colonial rhetoric . she plays it literally . colonial western colonial powers, and again they want to do something like this here, and russia, as the successor of the soviet union, is against american hegemony, against colonial practices. well, do you remember this speech by putin about uh, what does uh, the west is pulling in the past how is colonialism so different that is why russia cannot be a model, no one will follow it but it will

be used by resources first of all and secondly by the authorities - actually, they sometimes translate the interests of which i am first of all ot regarding this international system that does not take into account the interests of other countries, brazil itself does not feel very comfortable, especially the pencil government by force. it means them. of course , they are trying to find allies in other places for economic development and for the promotion of their interests, which do not coincide with this american one. but it is definitely not a locomotive, i would say that such a stone is on the neck of these states and they will still regret it, because their reputation is actually suffering now that they support , either openly or indirectly, and a national war and, in fact, the russian federation, which is destroying the world order that

allowed these countries to develop more or less in peace and have access to technology. now we see this division primarily between the west and china. but it will be with other states that will not represent the country on the side of the democracies lately, mr. oleksandr, we are not watching the fact that both the russian side and the belarusian side are talking about the fact that moscow is waging a war against ukraine, that the west is waging a war against er belarus and russia today serhii shoigu - the minister of defense of the russian federation or rather the minister of attack of the russian federation stated that er they oppose the west, that it is the west that started this war, and putin uses his rhetoric to say that they are conducting a special military operation in order to to stop the war in ukraine says that there is

a historical injustice, that it is necessary to overcome this not historical injustice, let's hear and see how putin is presenting it now, some donbass children's doctor said that in for nine years, for nine years donbas reflects the attack on the people who have lived there for nine years, against these people, our adversary , the cancer of our people , is waging war there often . they lead against us against our people , whose honor due to historical

adversity ended up outside the borders of the historical russian state. well , they did not stop being our people, well , this is putin's traditional practice on the black talk white on white black show some maps where ukraine is indicated and say that there is no ukraine there, as was the case with the head of the constitutional court of the russian federation, who laid out french maps of the 18th or 17th century and proved that the word ukraine was not written there what kind of relationship does the chairman of the constitutional court have in general with what is written on those maps? well, this is also a very big question of whom and how and why. they are trying to convince that it is not russia that supplied weapons to people who were in donbas and not russia she went there in order to start a war, this is more of an internal story for the internal consumer, or after all, for

the external one as well. well, we know for sure that the borders of russia begin where they are given requests, and let's actually say we hope that in the near future we will deny our territorial integrity and they will know to know that there is no need to move here and there is no need to get some maps hmm and all that. of course, in their minds there is no ukraine as such. well, this is still an imperial concept about three actions , not peoples, so different. of course they have to feed him for leps this to show why are they fighting and why are our people there, who are they even i am from donetsk, i am russian-speaking, er, i am orthodox well, i am not a religious person yes, but that is, i should be our person for him yes, and people like me a large number, but accurate. i don't want to see ukraine or a part of it in the russian world . but of course

, this is for propaganda, for internal structural structuring, and it is also necessary for it to be used by leftists in the west . yes okay, zelenskyi is not a nazi, but there are elements there in tsivka, and they did something there, well, there was something, something, something, they suppressed the russian -speaking orthodox, and so on, and that's why. well, let's do something, when there will be a compromise in ukraine, and if there was a language there, or a church there protected from these encroachments, it will be further understood by the audience of the global south, because again, these narratives are very widespread there . i would say that with this war that we have been seeing for the last 400 plus days, i am not saying in nine years. it even happened

an epiphany in the west that they did not know ukraine. i would even say that there are actually three important things that happened with that. constantly the words of timati snyder, what are we, that is, the west should be grateful to the ukrainians for the fact that they began to defend themselves and their values, and we have time to rethink and prepare, that is, in fact, to defend ourselves, he primarily meant it democratic institutions, not war , but the second point is that we have once again entered the era of great geographical discoveries because the west actually rediscovered ukraine because it was not in their minds because it was actually formed by russian historical narratives that we are one people there, maybe some kind of yes the difference, but in general, this is such a cultural space, one and the same, and the third moment, well, in fact, it is already ours, for ukrainians, this is the awareness of ourselves as ukrainians

, what kind of ukrainian nation are those who , let’s just say, were aloof, who were intimidated in fact, it is impossible to objectively stop this process, but in russia they cannot stop with this falsified history, because their entire ideology is built on it, on these myths, with this war, with our victory , the entire third rome will in fact be destroyed the idea will be destroyed, since without ukraine, since most of the churches and believers in our territory have been restored with a church, let's say by canonical means, they cannot claim it, the early russian lands, too ukraine is not working, an independent sovereign state, it was not possible to seize it, and in fact the last myth that will be destroyed is a great victory there on may 9, so-called uh-uh, they

showed that they did not do it by hand. this is how they repeat even with small ukraine, which does not exist, this is the first moment and the second point is to those who will reach those crimes that the russians, all russians committed on the territory of ukraine, that they have no moral right to refer to this great victory of 1945 and therefore, in fact, they are trying to putin and his entourage there they are again trying to extract some facts that confirm this russian mythology and continue this war, but behind a straight curve you can't hide alexander 's simpan in parallel, we are observing 2 more processes . african countries want to meet separately. zelensky and putin, the peace initiatives of brazil and the peace initiatives of the vatican are obviously

all running in parallel, but somewhere from the same place or from the same place mailbox on gmail and in parallel, information also appeared that the west is preparing security guarantees for ukraine, like israel. this was reported by the wall street journal with reference to the president of poland, because the united states should become the main guarantor of dudu, and also stand in for anti-british germany and france. things france the french ministry of foreign affairs confirmed that france is ready to provide security guarantees to ukraine in the long term, well, it is about regular military training assistance for our military i.e. am i correct in my understanding of the concept of security guarantees that they will help us even though valery chaly , the former ambassador of ukraine to the united states

of america, says that what is the purpose of inventing a bicycle, quoting valery chalov, there are already official but not public discussions, which security model will be better for ukraine, my humble advice, don't break your brains, don't try to reinvent the bicycle, and even on four and a half wheels, ukraine's quick accession to nato is the optimal model, and it is more reliable and stable and even cheaper that what do these security guarantees mean, first of all, oleksandr, and is valery chaly right here when he says that all these conversations and any peace initiatives are just a screen behind which, anyway , there is the north atlantic alaska , which we need to come to, so i absolutely agree with mr. valery, because in reality, if we are what are the guarantees, the guarantees are actually a legal obligation of our allies. and we still have no