[000:00:00;00] look, it’s not for nothing that they mentioned that we don’t just hand over weapons, we train belarusian personnel, that is, they don’t exclude, let’s say, options when , say, with these weapons, they remain the property of russia, but the control of these weapons will be belarusian personnel, then why, let's say, it can't happen like this, well, let's say, it's planned, a technical error and, uh , i won't launch any carriers with a warhead and a nuclear one. and it will be issued as an error in the training of belarusian personnel, that is these are the straws putin is trying to put under himself in order to remove responsibility

from himself, and the fourth is often said that this causes china to be indignant, that it violates the principles of non-proliferation, let 's say, and so on. and so on. interests of china in order to divert attention from building up its own nuclear potential , and it is serious . that is, by the 35th year, china plans to reach practically the level of the nuclear arsenal of the united states. precisely weakened, including the nuclear potential of russia in order to become a full-fledged partner of the united states and the nuclear issue well, then a situation arises when, regardless of what results we achieve in the spring-summer or

spring format, there is already an autumn offensive company in the foreground everything a guarantee of security for ukraine is obtained. we are expecting the vinnytsia nato summit there, we are talking about the fact that we want to receive clear signals of joining the alliance, and on the other hand there are proposals that, as an intermediate stage, certain to be security guarantees from individual countries, and there was a thesis that a model of ukraine's cooperation with nato could be created based on the israeli model, what is meant by this israeli model, because actually here or there there is a special partner or some other formats of interaction between e- by ukraine and nato, what do you mean by these words, the israeli model, well, is imagined from the point of view of realism, well, it’s not realistic at all , that’s how i think it’s an excuse in order to somehow justify the postponement

of ukraine’s acceptance into us, the provision and members members because, let's say, no model, which is partnership, which is cooperation, it is not a sufficient guarantee for the security of any country, in principle, that is, security guarantees , the necessary guarantees of security are the general absence of any threats, the ability to prevent or give vityaz to these threats , the presence of sources for replenishing one's own resources to repel such humor and the presence, let's say, of such a stable partnership on the part of other allies, all these conditions are necessary but

not sufficient and they are only in when we put everything together, then it will be enough as a condition for ensuring security , so colleagues say, let's do something like that , let's do something like that. these are fabrications in order to postpone the granting of nato membership to ukraine, and this is already. well, let's say final yes, the conditions for this totality to be sufficient, therefore membership in nato is mandatory . a mandatory condition for guaranteed security, we hope that precisely the ukrainian position is precisely to ensure precisely this is a development option for further events, these proposals are there, and the israeli model is there, there is a guarantee of the security of separate countries, they do not, in principle, solve the systemic challenge facing ukraine in view of the russian threat, and we are all now expecting

these spring lilies of the offensive companies all predict in different ways from your experience with gordon, what are the successful signs for ukraine in the format of conducting these offensive actions, what will be the reference points that will allow us to conclude that these are really successful measures that are taking place now such a competition in the possibilities of using reserves and the ability to maneuver forces and means, which country will win this competition will be the winner will be the winner in this war and these events under the bahmut, they just testify to the fact that the lobbies of both countries

demanded or tried to make their opponent, well, let's say so concentrated his reserves in order to use them on this participant in this direction on this section of the front line ukraine did not give in to this in russia let's put it this way the reserves are very depleted eh maneuver forces my means by means in the conditions when ukrainian troops inflict, let's say, serious such blows on logistics centers and transport highways, they are also limited, very limited, the mobilization capabilities of russia, they are exaggerated, because they say that they have 42 million of them, the mobilization regime is

this is not a strong reserve, let's say the number of the male population aged 17 to 29. well , now the content has been shifted, let's say this bar has been raised by a reasonable age, and there is a total of potential. about 9 million of them are not more than three percent are suitable for developing into the army there under various circumstances, family circumstances, there is health , and in other things, other things. the factor, that is, look , the potential is, well, about 200-300 thousand men, no more. let's remember, because we laughed at the border is only the president, that is, in fact, we can talk about the fact that the human potential

of russia is not at all inexhaustible, and the potential is also exhaustive, so they can, let's say it like this, at the expense of making not three percent , for example, by 5%. but at the expense of quality that is then then then the drug addicts will go, well, let's say so without one leg without one arm and so on and so on. that is, it is no longer what, well, that is , if we briefly summarize our conversation, you can conclude that the potential for preparing for offensive actions from ukraine is quite large correct we must now divide it into reserves and understand where russia's weak points are and use them to our advantage of course of course it's the basics of military art p mykola was very happy to see and hear you and thank you for your professional

comments i will remind our viewers that on the air the final espresso was mykola slugurovskyi, the director of military programs of the razumkova center, but let's return to the topic of ramstein, there was another point of this meeting, this is the actual issue of the defense industry, the creation of repair enterprises, the creation of conditions for interaction between various enterprises that have to create new weapons that are needed for the long term, it passed so small a touch to the results of the meeting of defense ministers, but this direction is extremely important for the survival of ukrainian defense enterprises because it is extremely important to find that model of interaction between our companies and state-owned private companies abroad in order to create a new basis for interaction, how do our ukrainian private companies see it, or do they see prospects for interaction with foreign companies, or do they see risks in the fact that foreign companies enter the ukrainian market which can then dominate in certain segments of military equipment , we will talk about this now with the next guest, we

are joined by the director of the production company athlon avia mr. artem vyunik artyom welcomes you, sergey, i welcome you to the studio. greetings, dear viewers, you have previously heard my introduction to the conversation with you. i know that your company is a serial developer and manufacturer of the furia 1cm complex, which is actively used in the armed forces, but the question now is somewhat different. do you see you see a threat in the fact that too many foreign models are appearing on the niva, where previously only ukrainian enterprises were represented. means that will allow us to win this war as soon as possible, it is huge and the mission is basically everything, on the other hand, we also

have a certain positive effect from the supply of ground samples because we have the opportunity to study, observe , study, let's say, their tactics - technical characteristics of their advantages and disadvantages and take this into account for our developments , making our products more competitive and more efficient . again, this allows us to understand which segments are already closed by foreign developers by manufacturers and which segments are still free and not fully saturated, but on the other hand there are certain negative trends because the purchase of foreign samples is usually done for the same budget funds that could be used for the development

of ukrainian production which could be directed to the financing of some developments , although we, to be honest, follow such a strategy that development and technical risks should be borne by the developers, not the state, this is such a negative effect. are still getting stronger the factor that, as a rule, foreign samples cost two to three to five times more expensive than samples of ukrainian developers with similar characteristics, and this, too , a little, you know, creates such a feeling of a kind of injustice in relation to one's own companies. well well, more than 15 months of the war have passed, we had a conversation with you, it seems like a second or 30 months of hostilities, and in this period, how many years have passed? what has changed for your company, have orders from the ministry of defense increased, or are there any other things

which say that production scaling is really taking place and there is demand for your products. of course, there is demand . production expansion is really happening, and it didn't just happen, it really happens every day because there is a great need for products again. it was not lost. we not only expanded production, but also significantly improved our products by replacing certain components . at the same time eh, as far as i know eh, now the program for the purchase of unmanned complexes is working, which is taken care of by minsory, eh. unfortunately, to date, we have not had any specific eh developments in this direction

, despite the fact that our complex accepted into service takes part there are hundreds of aircraft working in the combat zone but for some reason well somehow these procedures are taking place very slowly not but i am sure that well everything in the end after all and according to this program fury complexes will be supplied to the defense forces and also taking into account the fact that today, let's say, the ministry of defense is not ready to enter into additional contracts due to certain difficulties with financing , as far as i know, that is, how i understood your words correctly now at the ministry of defense, there is a lack of funds for the purchase of drones, while according to the numbers, the funds are there, but there is no clear pace of progress on the purchase of unmanned

systems of various companies. for example, to discuss the 24th year and even the 23rd year because there are still no solutions . and as i understand it, this is not a question of the ministry of defense, it is a question of the budget policy in the state, which , unfortunately, despite the war, remains as it is, that is in fact, today we should have signed a contract for the 24th year, because the cycle of procurement of components and production is about 6-8 months, but unfortunately, the situation is exactly like this, and the only option is to replenish our stocks and restore the combat effectiveness of our products it is purchased through the drone army program, which is what we are currently doing, but unfortunately we have not yet reached any contracts and any clear results. as i understand

it, you are improving your complex, and in principle , the improvement of the complex is based on the fact that you need to have technological components which according to its indicators is not inferior to the best solution there, what are there american unmanned competitions or german ones, and the question arises, what is the current practice on the example of your company, can you buy the same components, in particular, there are control channels, protection of e-e from suppression by rap systems that are in foreign models, or whether european companies are trying to limit the access of our manufacturers to obtaining these sensitive components , the experience on this issue is different, in principle, those that we conducted on today, in our complex, this is the result of very fruitful cooperation with foreign suppliers of certain very important components, and on the other hand, there is also a negative

experience when, for example, some companies that let's say very well-known companies declare their readiness to hand over certain components that we lack to complete our developments ah , but in fact it turns out that it's just let's say it's an opportunity to maintain communication with us and control how quickly we advance in our developments and what kind of threat we actually pose we compile for these companies , well, this is my subjective, er, this is my attitude to the situation that happened to us with one of these fairly well-known companies, unfortunately, er, unfortunately, we did not receive results during for many months, although there were meetings, meetings were agreed upon, there were even

promises and declarations that tomorrow we will have a result, but unfortunately , today there is no result and most likely it will not be. that is it is so peculiar. it is peculiar, as it seems to me. hmm, such an intelligence operation to control a potential competitor. well, you are talking about the fact that there are foreign companies, german , i don’t know, british, american, which manufacture unmanned systems, they all look at ukraine from one side, as the sales market and want to understand which companies in ukraine can compete with them, and relatively speaking, on the one hand, they demonstrate these intentions to partner. and de facto - this partnership does not lead to anything. there are other foreign manufacturers. can

we say that our technological level is the best of the best companies? are used by the armed forces and are there any examples that prove that we are not worse or even better? well, in principle, i think that uh, we are even better. they were developed, firstly, a very long time ago, and secondly, they do not have such a large experience of application in the conditions of real hostilities with such a serious enemy, which we have today, and i think that today, uh, no, not a single company is foreign. well,

he does not think that ukraine has no competitor potential, on the contrary, those situations that we just discussed that happen, on the contrary, they confirm that we are already being taken seriously. indeed, at least five companies or maybe even more have already turned out to have such powerful enough reiki, we can already claim them on some kind of international competitiveness well, then the question arises of the ability to protect from the side of the country from the side of the state because actually now not from the side of the minister of technology or from the side of the association that unites private enterprises i have not yet heard what you need without saying to create prerequisites for proper interaction between ukrainian companies and foreign companies, the question arises as to who should bear this burden, if the state , so to speak, withdraws from this, then the question arises, where should we form such internal lobbyists in order to be vulnerable in those

realities when, relatively speaking, we can be harmed our defense industry precisely from the fact that organizationally we are not protected, well , it's a very difficult question because well, in principle, it's really, well, you know, we always , enterprises must be self-sufficient, must be independent and do not build their own strategy. now we will restore communication with artemyunnik, the director of the research and production enterprise atlan avia , which produces the complex of art-reconnaissance , adjustment of fire fury 1cm. and in fact, this is one of the five companies that has gone through such a long way of creating a competitive model , passed all the state tests , agreed to adopt it, and now

it is clear that it is important that you know how these companies should be, conditionally speaking, and further build up your own potential, what are the prerequisites for this, mr. artem, if you can hear us now, then continue your opinion yes , yes, i'm sorry, something to do with the connection, yes, in principle , we adhered to the position that we should be independent, regardless of whether there are positive are there negative trends at the state level, and to move exclusively in such a confident course? but really, today there is already a need for some kind of state participation at the level of, let's say , interstate communication, so that, for example, our samples a that we develop and improve, they were not just developed under the tasks of, let's say, today and the conditions in which we work on the one hand, on the other hand, but also in order to be competitive on

the market after the war, so that those companies that today have the potential, after the war they began to sell their products all over the world and bring foreign exchange revenue to the country, and this is really a great potential, but what is needed in order to sell abroad and have confidence, because it is important, it is possible , it is necessary as an option already today to create some kind of cooperation with foreign partners, let's say at the level of a conceptual agreement between states on the one hand, and on the other hand, at the level of creating some possible joint ventures between our ukrainian companies and companies, for example , american or german ones, with the aim of not only let's say yes, the purchase and installation of all ready-made solutions, although this is also in principle a good way, but in fact, by forming

tactical and technical tasks for those products that will be developed, for example, mainly by the forces of ukrainian specialists, they will be tested in real conditions and then they will be, let's say, important, they will become an important component not only of the ukrainian army, but also of the army , for example, of the partner country with which this cooperation can begin in this way, and i think that in this well, we are already trying to do it, but at the level, let's say, of individual companies, it's such a slightly complicated situation because, for example, if we take the american market and american companies , then these relations are quite strongly regulated, and there is one of the companies that is ready we had to transfer some of our decisions, and she still can't get permission from

the state department of state to carry out such a transfer of technology. and if it was, for example, at the interstate level, it was reinforced, then i think it may have moved much faster, that is, in fact, this is about the fact that one of the foreign companies looked at your capacity and scaled their developments on your base or that you became a partner in the creation of those samples that are needed for the armed forces. yes, yes, yes, that’s exactly what we were talking about, because there were meetings that were outlined, let’s say that the options for cooperation were interesting, and the project of these relations was interesting to both the american side and the ukrainian side, but unfortunately because of such a serious regulation and the lack of support in this case at the level of this project, let’s call it that at the level of the states. well

, it somehow progresses very slowly and we have even begun to think that it will never happen, but in addition to the analysis of american and german there turkish samples, you actually analyze the samples that fall into your hands - these are enemy complexes, unmanned strike complexes, and i wanted to ask you what the dynamics of equipping these products are, because at the moment , if something surprised me there, it is annoying, it is the wide scaling of the same lancets at the enemy, the change of decisions related to eagles, which are seemingly simpler but no less effective. and then the question arises, what organizational approaches do we lack in order to really scale our own production to a larger volume or really create real competition on the battlefield to the samples you those that his opponent so that what his opponent how he changes that what

conclusions should we draw well basically uh-uh whatever we will say yes any increase if we are talking about quantity if we are talking about production capacity then the only factor which is either holds back or frees the hands of the manufacturer, this is an understanding of what will happen tomorrow if , for example, we understand that we have a contract for more than two or three years and there is a need for capacity . we can scale everything very quickly, this is not a problem although certain difficulties arise when scaling is very important, because the same suppliers with whom you worked yesterday for certain quantities , for example, they may turn out to be incapable and simply provide the quantity you need .

the development of some new means or some systems, do you have them? then again , this should be a request, there is no inventing. is there any way to guess what the military needs to be a manufacturer ? that we first do something, we offer it and it goes in or it doesn’t go in and unfortunately we don’t get any such significant uh feedback or setting problems about some new systems uh, unfortunately we don’t have any such system communication at the level of the general staff, of course, we work constantly with our e-e troops. we constantly work with operators and brigade commanders who use our products, but we would like to have a little e.

conceptual, some general uh, um, general approaches to equipping to solve these issues uh, that is, we lack a little understanding . - for the problems that exist, mr. artem. thank you for your explanations for the inclusion of the work you do for the armed forces, and i will remind our viewers that philip was the director of the nvp ton avia artem vyunnyk in our press office. so we say that, on the one hand, rammstein is a significant measure to strengthen our defense capability, and on the other hand, there is the potential of our companies, which actually must be integrated with new opportunities in order to protect our country by implementing new technological solutions, this means that a systematic approach is needed at all levels, and we hope that actually it will be done in the near future. so, these were

the main conclusions from this military program, and then the broadcast continues with olga leni and her chronicles of the information war . today, we will again talk about the parallel reality of russian propaganda and news of the deep russian people and the deep state. it has been a few days after the powerful strikes of the russian army that the postmen are told that the commander from zaluzhny did not appear, and they are talking about it, they are talking, and in principle. well , i would say what have they been saying about it since may 10? well, at first it sounded like this: on may 8, something happened there, a shack house on may 8 in the dnipropetrovsk district and now