[000:00:00;00] made in the near future so, these were the main conclusions from this military program, and then the broadcast continues with olga len and her chronicles of information warfare . thank you, sergey. congratulations, let's literally start in a moment . congratulations. today we will again talk about the parallel reality of russian propaganda and the news of the deep russian people and the deep state a few days after the powerful strikes of the russian army, the armed forces of ukraine have been telling postmen that the commander from zaluzhny did not appear , and they are talking about it, they are talking about it, and in in principle well, i would say that they have been talking about it since may 10. well, at first it sounded like this:

on may 8, something happened there. on social networks , hospital employees who said that on this day a very important patient was brought to the institution in critical condition, more than that, they will leave for a few days. in the hospital, they also saw the wife for alkaline green, well, that’s good. at first, they in general , they said somewhere out of the number, yes, on the 10th, 12th, and 15th, they said that luzhny was completely destroyed. he died there. no, it wasn't under the dnieper. it was during viyar's time. well, and then tell me - it all dragged on and dragged on, and a special kind of hysterical attack happened on wednesday, thursday. when all the news came out at the same time, first ria

novosti published the news, and then literally all the pro-lifers said that now they know for sure that zaluzhny is wounded and will no longer be able to perform his duties . the responsibility for wounding a soldier, as the media write, a russian missile caught near kherson , the water actually caught it, and not even on the front lines. zaluzhnyi raya news today reported a link to an unnamed source, but his serious injury in moscow near kherson and skull tripping to a hospital after which he will not be able to return to the

trailer . zaluzhnyi wounded. inflicted by russian troops at the beginning of may in the command post near the village of passat pokrovskoye near kherson the skulls are connected, it is not connected that there now on the fronts, first of all, this confirms the quality work of our military personnel in the decision-making center at the enemy headquarters, and secondly, this is indeed a situation that was seriously decided by the ukrainian ukrainian regime . the pawn was a very competent, uh, smart officer , they are fanning such a fuss around the pawn. and you can have three katakhs. the combination is that he sits all day in the headquarters and prepares a briefing. well, you see, that is, they already know for sure

it was under kherson and a lot of details and a great victory. well, i will tell you that it’s still nothing , uh, there uh, in general, now there are whimsical, absolutely whimsical, some such constructions, and i would say whimsical theories that they want a recruiter , how is it on the battlefield when at the same time, the law will be there somewhere in the front rows in this you even more strongly made yourself heroes for the century, in fact, here it is, here is the exit of the arrangements, nothing important now, the king . somewhere in june when he will be more or less in a commodity form show and say that he was always healthy, and they said all this literally the day before yesterday , after some events had already been held there, the industrious man

talked to the stingy er-er of the other foreign commanders there, well, that is, no , nothing helps. they tell some such legends , eh well, ilya kiva was just magically shy, he is always breaking through the bottom of something there, eh, in russia, you tell some such things that they get on your head , but the enchantment was extraneous. what is he? i started talking about it yesterday, but no, he's already too alkaline. he's probably dead. it was almost at the same time. well, how a completely different opinion spread , let's see first. i nod. beautiful , you notice that there was a drone attack on the cream. the reaction of the ministry of defense of russia - this is today 's disappearance of a soldier, in any case , i have such information , zelensky himself had a hand in this, he dropped the cardinals, because

in this case zelensky got rid of his a political competitor who breathed and slept, after all, we have talked more than once about what kind of liar can replace zelensky and how lazy can be the one who will lead a military coup in ukraine, therefore he got rid of the military coup he got rid of a political competitor and at the same time pulled off a failed counteroffensive in general, the favorite narrative of russian propaganda is that you can just immediately notice how soon someone starts telling you about how a slob will run for president and compete with zelensky, and zelensky gives well the person just re-read the russian telegram channels. well, in the end, it’s even that kind of sleazy, it became somehow, i don’t know , the main idea of ​​russian propaganda , as if they don’t see a sleazy person

for a while, so they have some kind of i don’t know, maybe what’s in their blood not enough because somehow they are very nervous yesterday was wednesday and yesterday was told by you that now it will not end i will show everyone well yesterday there was a meeting where this student gave a speech and during the preparation for the entrance, that is all of us, here are these applications for tyrazhny games - this everything is beautiful information, it's nice when the enemy of sex, yan andrevych, spoke in the same way. how did everything appear on that photo that is published on social networks? and why is no one talking about it? yes, yes, they are being edited, and they will be edited, and they will be edited, when, of course, the footage was there because it had been going on for a long time, it must be said that it was a good idea to take this pause, giving the opportunity to expand on all these things, but in the end, they decided

to somehow debunk it in one fell swoop finally today, may 25, i want to reveal a terrible secret, a very terrible one. time about the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine. i sincerely thank all ukrainians. together we will definitely win, and not only today . maybe it was recorded earlier. how can it be recorded earlier? it is not clear why exactly on the 25th, what does this mean? well, in short , there will be conversations there for another week. i have this impression. well , actually, why these conversations and what kind of deep russian state is this?

of consciousness and their propagandists, i will talk to vitaly kulyk, director of the center for the study of civil society problems . congratulations vitaliy, well, actually, why are they at all, how did she say? why are they spreading all this ? for the whole time this is the tracks of the shunts they appeared from time to time he was in the mobile space and here for three days sorry, there were no useful videos , that's a lot that is, what happened , the promotion begins immediately, that's it, that's exactly it i was in kherson at the time. that drone that covered the command post definitely flew by. it was definitely there and it went on as the goal of such a company. they have a double first . was to show that the russians retaliated for the attack on the cream

, the injured , well, it's time for the second one - it's already ipso, which was then picked up by the russian telegram channels. telegram channels are already working in ukraine as an informational and practical operation for demotivation, here is an alkaline wounded man, he is unable to lead the counter offensive, and you have to give credit that we have some yellow tolerant channels on our gram channels, which are unknown for whom they work and during which they work or by useful idiots or really by a russian mercenary network, all this was spread in the ukrainian er-e information field and even some commentators said that this could mean something that there is no well in this smoke we cannot be dima berezny in fact as it seems to me that the pawnbroker simply conducted an information operation together with our gure and it was successful

. well, you know what i think they do this very often, but in this case, the pawnbroker , they may have had such a goal. i would say that they reliably lost control over the agenda in general over the formation of the agenda. look at the russian propaganda . the last few months it has been going as if an event was left behind, and this event was caused by some actions of either ukraine or in general, in general, in the situation and they begin to play it out, they are not used to this, they are used to throwing some things, they made a provocation and all this is food, this provocation, and it was, you know, such an attempt. the agenda in ukraine , how much influence can they have with these things? it seems to me that from this

point of view, well, not very much, because yes, you are right, the yellow telegram channels picked up, but in order for there to be such a big discussion in social networks all well, i wouldn't say. by the way, everyone understands the situation perfectly. everyone understands that there is an information law. english operations are psychological operations. it is obvious that this is one of them. there are no statements on them. there are no serious rumors that could circulate on the sidelines. more or less has access to insider information, it somehow did not cheat, did not justify , no, that is, there was no gray game, so no one, people resonate with a similar state and no one did not engage in it, it was like eh

elements to dry up rumor on e-e kitchens, and not by a significant number of ukrainians, it did not cause disorientation in the troops, some kind of demoralization, it did not cause any collapses of hysterics, not in military news bloggers, it did not cause even critics of the ukrainian authorities , er, it was not picked up, they dispersed with it, that is why they did not achieve their goals in addition to making themselves a laughing stock and when even there hurrah-patriots ask questions to prove the propagandists and what is this what was this what kind of discussion on special provisions when he here gives comments and already speaks well yes i in principle, i'm saying that i've been watching this since may 9 and kept thinking how will it end, well, how deep will they dig themselves, or will they dig themselves out, or will they continue to dig? about such an internal russian internal russian agenda, their internal discussion, i still believe that

this week the most resonant was the discussion of prigozhin's statements, which he made . he gave an interview to kostyantina dolgov dologov there after that, whether they were fired at all or not they got fired there, some kind of strange situation like that he says that they fired er from his job er and i already read it in several of their telegram channels, everyone is just discussing how the handsome man could say such a thing and that he will not get anything for it and this is straight well, people are being imprisoned for this because he said that denazification and demilitarization did not achieve any success, the completely opposite story is happening, but the main thing is what he said. well, in principle, he said quite an interesting opinion about how the war is going, that is, he said that the next thing is waiting in hostilities and what awaits further in the hostilities there is enough well, i hope we will now show, well, his forecasts are quite

negative, let's see where is the nazification and where is the militarization, the denazification of ukraine, which we talked about, we made ukraine a nation, which is known to everyone in the world, and this is how i don't know how to put everything on the negotiating table, we will agree on the fact that everything that we have already grabbed is ours, and everything that we did not grab is not ours , this is an optimistic scenario. they will restore er borders er rudely say until the 14th year and it can easily happen they will conquer krym they will try to blow up the crimean bridge cutting off

supplies and probably not only for us the scenario will not be good so we need to prepare for a heavy war what should be done in this war, in my opinion, so as not to piss off russia , we must maintain martial law , we must declare a new wave of mobilization, we must , during the military exercise, transfer everyone to the production of whoever is possible and supplies, we must stop building glass towers of skyscrapers, as if gazfon babbles, it just looks ashamed, stop fattening, stop building new roads, new infrastructural objects, and work only on mine, well, if i don’t even now, well, i don’t want to talk about that topic.

because uh well, first of all he really said that uh several times and repeated that someone got involved in this war we are forced to drag it all out like this and somehow it all went somewhere wrong and didn't reach it directly nothing what is it well because well well, this is the image of a clear boy who explains with his fingers that they screwed up, he says that first near kyiv, then in kherson . here he really shifts the responsibility to the political elite, he does not specify this elite , of course, before that he says that the president is beyond suspicion, but all this elite is guilty of starting the war. this elite is leading russia to collapse, to crisis and to disintegration. this elite does not send its children to war. agin or ordinary russians, respectively, this will end the revolution. how does he think that at first a rebel soldier

and then on their families, and he says frankly that if russia wants to continue the war in the u.s., it should start a general mobilization, one more wave, not a partial general one, and prepare for a protracted , long war, stop building social facilities, infrastructure, pump up the welfare system, and so on further, this decrease in payments also means that he says the diametrically opposite, not only because what lavrov , e.e. putin himself, although he justifies putin here, he says that putin is beyond suspicion, in fact, he will master the path himself, and in this way , this image of him as a clear-cut boy is clearly at odds with the general version of the beginning

of the war, the general version of achievements, and so on and is pushing, as if pushing the russians to the fact that, well, actually speaking, it is the truth. the person said, and the russian authorities can no longer switch to his position and make his position official, and that is why they are actually ignoring him now, that's why, uh, i wouldn't say that it is -is an opponent of putin because without putin the beauty wouldn't have existed without putin people like kadyrov but the attached ones didn't seem to exist and they understand that their place and position directly depends on how they are treated by the president and they are treated here that's why we always fence off the fact that putin

outside of the suspects and the pogrom of the elites, such is the role of a clear boy, he is bibina, this is the role that privozhen takes on. he then gives an interview and says that he has a full-fledged army and his six thousand eh his fighters eh can lead eh -is each by a company, that is, they can take a taste of six 600,000 soldiers under their command, and in fact, he alone can replace the entire ministry of defense, that is, without him, it will not be possible to save russia from disintegration and from revolution. that is how i would read his message and message, what is he e-e protection e-e the last last frontier the last barricade a-a on the way to the defeat of russia that is why putin needs him he is needed by putin and he is needed by the state so to speak because

the elite is moving to the position of treason somewhere yes it is read and already now with such messages is carried a-a all kinds of cospirological russian telegram channels well, you know, it is even interesting here because in fact he is playing the same game that putin sometimes plays when he is like putin with the people things, this is an old russian game, narodnost e narod, the tsar is something unified. and there are some elites who somewhere separate and constantly prevent the tsar from being together with the people. this is the same story in this er-er in this construction a beauty like the voice of the people of the deep but that's it what interested me is that this voice of the deep people is actually saying, he is basically saying that we are going to lose the war now , uh, here is the story about what can happen there somewhere , contract workers are fighting and all the people are resting there and living their lives, it does not

work, judging by and here i'm interested in what he said. it's more of a call to let's all mobilize and like, the family is in danger and so on, because the way he said it, well, it seems to me that it sounded the exact opposite, we're not going to do anything at all, you're all going you will plow into the factories five was able and you actually want it, he says, do you really want it, or can it be , can something be rolled back there? i'm even. the power to roll back from this turbo-patriotic position of yours, well, well, i'm curious, i can't fully understand this, no, this is not a mobilization interview, this is not a lack of english interview, this is an interview that actually has one viewer and listener, this is the way he gets to it appeals to the part of people who are in putin's circle and form

his position is kovalchuk, so to speak, and a small part that is tangential to putin's body and he he turns to them and says that i am yours is the only salvation because the games you are playing now, even with this government, they lead precisely to defeat and if you don’t want putin to take you directly from the bunker to the pitchfork, then you need me because i have 6,000 soldiers trained by us and can hear an army of 600,000 and protect the bunker king from the revolution to prevent the collapse of russia to be such a bloody currency and with the horizontal ones that will lead the order of when this same russia will be sold this summer in the event of a weakening of the central federal power, accordingly, this is exactly how this interview should be considered, and indeed i will remind dolgov that dolgov himself was very close to this interview, this is a well-known ukrainian

collaborator who fled to in the 14th year, he left ukraine and created the kharkiv people's republic. unfortunately, they did not catch him . when he fled from kharkiv, our friends landed him in moscow , and now he is really crying and says that he was released after that, and they released him. it is obvious that such an interview should not have left prigozhin without consequences, they can't do anything because he is, after all, within the limits of putin's demand , putin still needs him and i need him, so they used him and threw him away prigozhina's fate is in question, i would like to remind you that in some russian telegram channels there was information that the president's administration is allegedly dissatisfied with his actions, that he bends the stick in criticizing the puck of the military leadership, that this is

a game to divide his own and those who are not his own to the ministry of defense that these are good and these are bad eh and actually speaking , they were playing the russian game to a certain extent, including you trying to eliminate the production factors of the general staff and the leadership of the ministry of defense did not like it, they made several comments as they claim and then this the interview is an attempt to return not just to the agenda of the kremlin , but to become such a chip, er, contradicted, er, a chip of the last barricade, or somehow the last border that putin must maintain in order to prevent the collapse of such a black guard in the event of something putin's prisons, which is made up, which can go beyond the limits, far beyond the limits, to the point of evil to protect this regime. well, there, otze announces so loudly that

he takes his own from the bahmut. almost for all of this, this should be such a visual demonstration that you definitely cannot do without me, that's clear, but look, there is such a situation , there is prigozhyn, he is demonstrating something in parallel, this week , well, i think it is also quite a bright event for russia, they saw for the first time that their ministry of defense does not protect belgorod, as it turned out, because they entered a volunteer the corps went there, the russian freedom legion walked a bit, walked around the bodies, uh, they made a lot of noise, and how do you assess in general what this showed the russians? well, from the fact that you saw the reaction that it gave a successful pro-palandian operation, which really showed the worthlessness of the russian defense, the lack of possible defenses own borders, the inability to respond to similar challenges, this is how i consider a successful informational propaganda operation

, which was not carried out by our hands, i would like to remind you that these volunteer corps are partisan the union of the russians themselves. i would not have gotten involved with the ukrainian authorities on the spot, or with these games, after all, it was constructed with the main goal of the destruction of the russian federation itself to create some kind of democratic russia, but it is quite possible that the same voluntary corps may eventually gain power in the conditional tver republic of chogobini or in the same belgorod republic if such a one is created a-a as for the hostilities themselves , it was shown that there is no real defense on the borders, no televog support there is a sh-lined line of protection of the border of the russian federation from ukrainian invaders and that's how they come across information, it doesn't exist, there's just one checkpoint and that's all, and a small compound

, a police unit and that's it . it happened for the task of expanding the space, the freed space, such territories where it is quite possible to even announce the creation of an alternative government and hold a referendum, for example, but it would take some time to get it, and there are such pockets on the border which border ukraine on three sides, and such operations could have been successful for a long time, so i really appreciate it as such a successful information propaganda operation. eh, strilkov, they started to wash her with them about the fact that according to the characteristics of

whom he showed that look, there is nothing there, that he warned, but really who has been talking about this lately, after the withdrawal of the russians from the north of ukraine, he constantly says that ukraine is going to attack on the run now, and bilhorod will be the center that the ukrainians will capture and then go after the body of the russian army. well, the dreams of the snipers have come true. in fact , he was the strategist of this operation . the russian volunteers should thank him for the sexual intercourse. this is the mission. this is the next step, i think, which is more interesting. and he again says the inability of the russians to defend the fact that there are lines of defense on bakhmut or in the east of ukraine, and to defend its historical, so to speak, so far russia was not only seizing something from someone. you have things vitaliy behind your back, an interesting map that shows and what would be more successful, maybe the development of events and so on. and you can study there

to see, uh, it's a pity, we don't have time to go through it in detail, but thank you. i think that we still somehow uh, we can talk in more detail about what the prerequisites should be to talk about a real solution of uh, this russian issue for some time, at least there uh, which would provide ukraine well, i would say a peaceful life for a certain time, thank you it was vitaliy kulyk director of the center for researching civil society problems and we will meet with you next week, in mid-may, ukrainian troops began offensive operations north and south of bakhmut with the aim of recapturing strategic heights and aligning the front line successfully, at the same time the russian army is advancing in the same place however, at the expense of which it was possible to break through