[000:00:00;00] the submission that this law should be signed, of course, and secondly, they impeach the president because he violates the constitution, he has no right not to sign a law for which he did not travel there for 15 days, uh, and therefore, in itself, it is for me it's strange. and here the petition concerns the direct powers of the president. that is, it does not concern that he should apply there somewhere, put a full stop. the space of freedom and we have updated information from the dnipro. so from the residential quarter, the children's clinic, the medical center, and the high-rise buildings around, now everything there is in the glass, there are already 30 victims , information about 30 people who were injured, among them two children aged 3.6 years and three people who could be in this city

they still don't answer the calls, they haven't contacted them, they are looking for them, this was reported by serhiy lysak, the head of the dnipro ova, and tomorrow , may 27, has been declared a day in dnipro, because i don't think that its residents are not dnipro's inhabitants of other cities points too, tomorrow, well, at least don't listen to cheerful music. well, somehow, you know, the whole country should be in mourning in such a case. because when i hear some cheerful songs in the hotel when there was mourning for the dead in uman, well, somehow i don't understand this very well, clearly that lviv and uman, kyiv is not vinnytsia, but we are all one family, one family is one country, this is ours , our common, our common pain and our common losses volodymyr tsybulko, a political scientist , contact us, volodymyr congratulations, congratulations, i want to talk about it right away ask the judge oksana you i don't mind, you can burn me, as they say, the whole ether and there's no one to ask, so i want

to ask you about this tandoor judge, who probably beat to death a national guardsman , the father of three of his two adopted children , the father of this national guardsman at the front, brother, at the front, he, uh, during the curfew, he put up certain barricades on the highway, uh, well, there is this brass lithuanian highway. as far as i understand, this is what we are talking about. well, from makarov on the zhytomyr highway, he was driving to the judge. and here, the national guard died. now appears the story that it turns out that something is wrong with his heart and in general everything is wrong with him, it can be with a healthy person. please tell me this time, well, it will be possible to turn the caste of untouchables into normal people, and you mean judges, please. well, i think that the judges' corporation e- in fact, trying to play the closest partner of the government and smearing and washing

the representatives of the government from responsibility, she herself suddenly fell into such a funnel of impunity, and for what is happening in the judiciary, they will get away more and more because justice is not guaranteed by the pre-reformed judicial corps, society does not guarantee society, that is, society's great hope that we will suddenly get justice in the court , we will get real justice, and from this justice, society does not receive , we see the history of the stream. for example, we see stories from a representative from other well, with the other deputies from the servant of the people who got into the investigation and actually should have been convicted for uh, not incorrect declaration of income avoidance. suddenly we

see absolutely well, i would say such condescending dishes, verdicts, what is the story of struchelnym, where, in my opinion, seven people were injured, and here is just a gametic story when the authorities on the one hand, uh, retrospectively invents some drugs in the blood of yaryna ario and uh, who was driving without exceeding the speed limit and injured a pedestrian and here a story about drugs appears in retrospect and we see a story with the makarov judge eh. when the blood of the deceased has not yet cooled, look , the national guard will already come up with this heart failure and about the level of eh, the number of ppm in the blood eh the judge, why is he not speaking? why is he not speaking? this is now on the hot trail of the judge, who

is on the spot, there is police testimony that he refused to pass the alcohol intoxication test, and now they will wash away this whole story so that this judge avoids punishment well, i'm afraid that well, let's say yes, yes, yes, there is a saying in katana, justice will catch up with this judge and not only this volodymyr, as long as people will tolerate such things there already in the history of independent ukraine, we had precedents when ukrainians simply exploded rose up and stopped in their own way certain actions, we know that now during the war all these emotions

are heightened, that is, everyone wants justice. well, it’s nothing, whether it’s a machine gun or a shovel or a shovel, it doesn’t matter, you understand. but when people with combat experience face bitter injustice and they clearly understand that they fought for the heavenly ukraine, in which there is no to speak of uh, gloomy days in which there are no poor people and uh, well, justice and solidarity between people dominates everywhere, and here they face the reality when, behind the back of a warring country , they rob not only of food, uh, well, the ministry of defense is robbed of funds not only for

food and ammunition, what is the story worth when eight point nine tenths of billion hryvnias were distributed to various murky companies last year and this money disappeared because this money was not put into service well, in my opinion, part of the people already eh those involved are doing well abroad. and now i will ask about another judge, this is also a telling story when i saw that many people wrote about it not uh not not without calling to write down your eyes on bribery possible bribery again the judge of the prince or it should be a court decision and putting just a question well, let's say, reminding people that relatively speaking, the supreme court, headed by mr. knyazev , accepted the side of a ukrainian businessman who tried to defend his assets, thanks to the supreme court of the supreme court, against the russian business who wanted to take these assets away, then he recalled the story of the people's deputy helleros, who hinted that he would like to see yarmak in the verkhovna rada so that certain issues

were still related to him, well, he was suspended from the meeting in the verkhovna rada , well, regarding the ukrainian entrepreneur against russian business the decision is in favor of the ukrainian entrepreneur as for geoleros, he was returned to the verkhovna rada of ukraine, in principle he has the right to be there as a people's deputy elected by the basque people , mr. yarmaka. the people did not elect him and in general it is not known what role he plays, because according to his position , he should not act with the president and shake hands with bush . because they want to make the supreme court subject to control and completely close the entire judicial power to the tatar port rhyme from the obs of the president, people shouted no, here the briber should be shot well , we waited well, we elected another judge from stanislav kravchenko 108 and 148 judges voted here again the question arises because this mr. kravchenko, whom we are talking about, turned out to have released at one time, well, he didn't pass at all, for the sake of integrity, he can't explain his fortune, well, he forgot, he spent it in his memory. well, at one time, in 2003 , he released the well-known colonel

fart, who was involved in the murder well, he was not involved in strangling him, he killed the journalist georgy gonka, like he is already convicted for the murder of gongadze, please explain the metamorphosis, the convicted and the general are so convicted, in my opinion, for life, but the point is different, the point is that the judge of the princes was already the compromise of the bank and with the supreme court judge the prince was also a compromise of the judge of the princes who, in principle, well, when we say that he allegedly organized these acts of justice with regard to georgy ros well, not quite, first of all i want to remind you through what a difficult selection he went through the judges of the supreme court have passed, our supreme court is the only reformed court. well, except for the supreme anti-corruption court, which was also formed from

scratch, in fact, but the supreme court is the selection system itself, and we can say it is the same procedure for the ucha and western partners the formation of the supreme court took place even well, i would say very, very competitively, i want to remind you that, for example, the former prosecutor general must dictate some people did not pass, that is, on the one hand, the supreme court really had a chance to be a very independent and very, well, truly independent branch of government , but i want to remind you that zelensky first started with an attack on the constitutional court

the constitutional court was the first to split and recognized the illegal extraordinary elections as legitimate, the whole country knew that this act was even worse than the recognition of the first term of the second term of kuchma as the first. what has already happened in the history of the permanent court, so it started with an attack on the constitutional court and continued on the supreme court, let me remind you that it was an attempt to halve this court in general, to make it half , well, uh, in order to subjugate themselves, they announced that they will reduce the supreme court by half, well , it is clear that when you suddenly have 75% of the voters' votes behind you, you can bend the state the system as you like, but you have to understand that this system was built for many years on the system, well, more precisely, on the mechanism, restrained counterweights and er, well, the forces that pressed on each of the levers in this system were restrained counterbalances, er, you can

say that they were very high-caliber, that is, whether it's difficult and important, so you can't wash it away in one fell swoop and well, now, well, now another round of compromise between the judicial corps and the bank. well, this judge who is now appointed as the head of the court with such a train of thought, he really seems to be more able to negotiate than a judge prince i am surprised that there were so many elements of political sycophancy in judge knyazev's behavior in court, that is, he behaved as if he had some almost personal zelensky behind him, although in my opinion zelenskyi was not very inclined to regulate personally, that is, to call on acceptance of a personal oath of allegiance to the holocaust court or the head

of the supreme court well, but the bank officials and they, they would very much like the supreme court to work according to their opinion, volodymyr, there is chinese news here, not exactly from china, but the chinese voltret of jordan talked with several european diplomats who were in touch and were aware of this e-e european tour of the chinese diplomat and told, in particular, that in europe the league offered the europeans e-e as soon as possible to break away from such close contact with the united states and insist on so that the war in ukraine would stop, but in what way would ukraine agree, that is, for europe to put pressure on ukraine so that ukraine would agree to a cease-fire , actually leaving to russia the territories that they

occupied europe, we know that such things are now very infuriating, that is, if at first, even a year ago, some countries really declared such things, in particular in italy, they said, so give it back . probably no one dares to say such things. well, the hungarians can say something like that to themselves, but in principle, no one in the world this is not what the application from china says after 15 months of the war. how can these words affect the perception of china in the world, the interpretation of them as a possible peacemaker mediator in this war, and in general, it is very strange position and very strange words at this time, in fact, china panicked. when uh, ukraine didn't just fall apart, but began to win victories, and then china suspected that the world perfectly understood this secret of the overcoat, which, in fact, without uh, well, without the consent of china, disjointedly attacked everyone is beginning to suspect and understand ukraine, and china must

somehow now wash it off, first, second, china really wants to separate the european union from the united states, now the european union is the largest trading partner of china, the largest sales market for chinese products and china is building and understands its weakness through sea transportation of the lion's share of its production, and china is trying to build such a continental empire through its doctrine of one belt, one road, and they ... it is clear that the idea of ​​these 12 principles that china proposed to the world, 12 principles of settlement, they are so broken, well, this is a chinese charter, relatively speaking, and suddenly after the visit of sredzempinia to

moscow, it became clear that china is not what it is claims to, well, cannot play the role of a referee in this war, in this conflict, what is the name of the chinese side, and it is essentially more than a lawyer for russia and does not claim to be the doctor who came to kyiv first, well, that is, the first point of the tour was kyiv, he in fact, he came as a lawyer for russia, well, the chinese. they are not in a hurry, russia will not get anywhere from them. china is used to playing the long game, so they are waiting for this pear of permission to fall into their basket, so to speak. but, at the same time , china is very afraid lose european market because the loss of the european or even a share of the european american market will lead to tens of millions of unemployed people in china itself and the deterioration of economic indicators. china is simply catastrophically

afraid of this because even the current level of gross product growth. to be honest , it is very difficult to objectively calculate the state of the chinese economy there. well, some bloomberg agencies , in particular, model somehow in their own way - but objectively more than 3.5% growth of the chinese economy is not visible, which means that they now it is not possible to service the heat load. what kind of country is it carrying? i want to remind you that the debt is the total debt of china. according to various estimates, it is from 50 million to 123 million. this is compared to the combined national debt of the united states, which russia sometimes likes to trump . this is just a penny.

in the debt of the united states - this is, well, it can be said that, well, conditionally , a third or a quarter of the chinese debt, that is, china many for other people's money and now, well, creditors can ask china and where is the money, there is such a return about how many there are many in china well, you you are right that it really is in many ways an inflated soap bubble that lives at the expense of many factors that allow it to exist so far. well , these facts can change and i also really wanted to hear your opinion. we are waiting, i will say honestly at the beginning of the security forum and we will call everyone listen watch be interested by the way, it is interesting that none of the representatives of the government decided not to participate in events without a side forum of the kyiv security forum , which takes place in the capital, there many

respectable people arrived there from abroad from ukrainians sat down to discuss what to do and think specifically about what to do and how to live. now, mr. danilov was supposed to be the secretary of the slave trade, but even he didn’t come. you know , it reminds me. i’m sorry, ukraine of the times of the battle for independence 17 years later, when ataman zeleny was there. some more fog, makhno, it’s the same, we won’t come from the ataman green, we’re not atamans, we have one state, please no, vasyl, this is comical what is this the style of the young yanukovych, that is, the early yanukovych, they are, they are, they are all former associates of the party of regions and these are the young regions that suddenly led the country and their horizon of perception and understanding of the country does not foresee industries in which they do not get rich, that is, personally, their wallets are not thicker, therefore security, well, well, well, no, there will be no ukrainian government

there will be a russian occupation, we will agree, we will agree . well, because the security forum is a highly intellectual platform, i want to say that it seems to me that this is an absolutely blatant story with the embezzlement of budget funds for the purchase of weapons, which and which uh-uh finally spilled out into the media space because many people knew about it, i uh, this story well, more than six months ago , zno was just waiting when uh, when someone would be the first to talk about it like this. i think that if the representatives of the authorities came to this forum, the first question would be who gave out the money and the soft company was guaranteed not to supply the country with weapons, but received billions of hryvnias, this is just a disaster for the power's reputation, after that you don't have to

go anywhere, you have to write a report about resign and leave the country in peace, so maybe not so many representatives of the authorities are present at the kyiv security forum, but quite a lot of journalists. and in fact, our colleague , a correspondent of ukrinform, told about the fact that the former prime minister of estonia and aviriva during, actually, one of panels of the kyiv truck without such a forum said the following about the victory of ukraine, which will undoubtedly take place and will take place exclusively on ukrainian terms, because no one else will and cannot impose the conditions that will be for you unacceptable. this will also lead to ukraine joining nato and the eu. this is absolutely clear and it is not just that ukraine is gaining membership , nato is gaining an extremely powerful member . at the same time, today we are talking about what exactly nato is saying. nato member countries are saying that it is not about any membership about the fact that nato is thinking about offering

ukraine a deep partnership, what kind of concept is this , what kind of term is it, and does it have any meaning? ukraine should think about a direct security agreement between the usa and between great britain and the country, two such direct agreements along the lines of the israeli or korean, south korean, or japanese , that is, actually nato. for us, this is a civilizational platform. the latest actions of the government, they only delay and postpone the prospect of ukraine joining nato and the eu , because the rule of law is one of the cornerstones of membership in such associations as the european union, and too much, in fact, if

the guys are sitting in the bank and think that there is hungary is in nato, turkey is in nato, and so on, for example, bundes chancellor schulz, who spoke about the fact that, well, ukraine , militarily, has really come close to nato , but politically, ukraine is far from nato , some kind of system, unfortunately, does not correspond. well there is no need to overcome this, thank you very much, volodymyr volodymyrovych prokov was with us, a political scientist, at one time, a people's deputy of ukraine, a poet, but now i invite you not to join the viewing of the 15th annual kyiv security forum and the panel that will now be in ether is called informational war talking about the truth thank you to everyone, we are listening to the audience and watching the security forum now, he is with us, yes, brian

wetmore is a professor at the university of texas at warlington and also a friend of ukraine. yes, we met for the last time in the fall. i forgot that the university of burlington brian worked at radio svoboda for a long time, eh and he is my colleague at radio svoboda, we also have with us mr. ambassador steven sedanovych, a professor at columbia university, he already spoke yesterday, did you meet him, here he is going great, thank you all

ah and we also have an online connection i apologize for not mentioning you online with us we see evgeny pechenko co-founder and editor-in-chief of stopfake.org do we also have andrew mar journalists and a presenter from great britain he is not with us i think uh online but we are waiting that he will join online too thank you very much someone will say is also a digital war the first digital war in the world we see almost in real time what is happening in this war and journalists play an extremely important role in this process, it would be easy to say that la-lacny, er, this war created a lot of myths, but also

dispelled many myths, especially about russia, my first question to brian, first of all, brian, we have already talked about this with you a lot at many events. what is your assessment of those myths that russia imposed, but ukraine was able to break. thank you, myroslava! slava myroslava needs a little water, because she is already leading the second panel without a break. yes, i really agree with mr. fried, who said that over the past few years, we have been describing, analyzing we dissect what putin is doing to us in the information space, but since i am an optimist by nature , that is, i will behave differently today, i would like to talk about how and

why we win and why we win thanks to ukraine. ukraine not only saves us from putin, it also saves us us from ourselves."

and you know that people are like monkeys. they are not much different from us physiologically, but they do not tell a story. and we do it. such a banal thing as money, money is just a piece of paper and there is a certain value behind it, but there is the history of money, the history of the fact that money has been assigned a certain value, is the history of how we are societies, how we organize our society, and the history of democracy is very powerful, it has led us to unprecedented peace and prosperity, and it is also the history of human rights, rights that are sacred, and actually the history of how governments quarreled how they are responsible to society we are talking about

many religious societies and this is a very powerful story because it shows who we are and it is real because we believe in it it is real and only because we believe in it and this is precisely what putin insists on, because over the last few decades, especially the last ten years, he tells a different story that the world is dangerous, that we need a patriarchal dictatorial regime and that ukraine does not exist, this is another story, please, i will return to it, and he tells a story about what sovereignty of small states, it depends on farinthesis, the big one in russia, the usa, china has subjectivity, and small countries do not have it, but what are ukrainians doing now

, they are completely refuting these myths, they are dispelling them debunk and they gain faith and the second is the myth that democracy has already lost its strength, you know what putin says, and this is exactly what we see in our western societies in my country, i saw the last public opinion polls, only 52% believe that it is important to live in a democracy for my generation - it was 90%. and now that ukraine shows us that democracy is worth fighting for and dying for, and this is the story of our faith in democracy in the west, uh, another myth, many ethnic, multi-confessional societies are chaotic, and this leads us to ethno-nationalist ukraine and this myth are spreading because here in this room we have people of many