[000:00:00;00] as part of the ortogan coalition, well, there are such histbolists, yes. that is, there are quite radical islamists there, and of course they will demand the continuation of further islamization and life is punished, and in general, here it is more precisely. and hmm , what we are more interested in in the international community is that it is doubtful that there will be any serious changes, because, well, for that in order to offer others some kind of serious change in international politics, it is necessary to rely on internal opportunities , including economic opportunities, and here, so far , no positive changes are visible, and still, let's even imagine that they will suddenly gave up on the city experiments and returned to a normal economy

and, accordingly, they released or made independent the national bank and monetary policy became absolutely normal. yes, not as it is now , resources are still needed. these resources, by and large, can only be given by investments, in the first place, can only be given europe , because everyone is hoping for the arabs, who poured in the output of the economy there, there are considerable sums of money, or the russians, who also threw money to erdoğan to bribe voters. well, they are all one thing does not save the economy, after all, the key issue remains the internal dynamics

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a repeat at 10 p.m. studio event with anton borkovsky naispresso we continue the program saturday polyklopedzhenika sezonka and vitaly portnikov, in this hour we will talk about such a drunken judge killed a non-guardsman at a checkpoint in kyiv, let's start with this tragic and fatal accident, and then we will talk about such international events , in particular, but who got the nagorno-karabakh peace agreement between azerbaijan and armenia, is it possible in the near future and in the presidential elections in the united states of america, trump has an official competitor in the form of the governor of florida. so

, a court hearing is currently underway regarding the road accident. as far as i know, it has not yet ended, the supreme council of justice allowed the arrest of the judge who beat to death the military judge oleksiy tandyr, the head of the makariv district court, and we know that the kyiv city prosecutor 's office reported that on saturday evening , before the beginning of the district court, it submitted a motion to choose a preventive measure for the suspect in the form of detention without the possibility of posting bail and before that, the spokeswoman of the kyiv city prosecutor's office reported that on friday , tandir judges forcibly took biological samples and sent them to experts for research or he was after all still drunk because he himself refused to undergo a voluntary analysis of vitaly really during the war - this is a very tragic event because this military 23-year-old father of three children was not sent to the front line specially because he has three small children, two of

who were adopted and he was allegedly in a rear town and this is how it happened . how is this even possible? i think that the law should be the same for everyone during the war and after the war and before the war, and no one should beat people, no matter how many children they are. was even if a person does not have i also don't need to beat children and no one should do it. of course, there is an average citizen of ukraine who is not a judge and a person who is even more a judge or with some kind of self never reacts to what you know. here is the person with such a social status hit someone there well, it doesn't matter somehow the status if you're a locksmith or a journalist hit a person there, it's the same as the deputies, the judge, we 're just suspicious of it because we always think, and this is absolutely serfdom, soviet thinking, that a judge or a deputy has more opportunities avoid

responsibility than that of a locksmith or a journalist. in practice, the essence of this is not simply that the chisel was knocked down by a person, but that we always do not see responsibility for the consequences. this is not the case with us. some people's deputies tried to sneak in and try to get a tip . they oversang and supported them. literally the entire corporation, and here too, and that is why we need to build a society in which everyone will be responsible for their actions in a civilized society if a person who exercises power is behind the wheel and does not hit anyone and it turns out that she has alcohol in her of blood she is simply resigning from her position

, it is not even discussed because she thus tarnishes her status. so that later that immunity, so that then the next ordinary people will be given this power again, you know, this is such a process that we all understand that we are robbing the state. opportunities, well, here, of course, there is a huge problem and i really hope that sooner or later we can live with you in a country in which there will be normal european norms , that is, if a person commits a certain act, he must be held accountable by law for this act , that's not all what did they have from ugu, that is, they had a large-scale invasion, did we have such reformational changes in this sense, or vice versa , during the time of the war, which slowed down - this is the time of narcosis, i am on bioza, we do not know, society is trying to survive now , it will be possible to talk about all this after that that's a lot

societies passed under what they thought during the war oh, we already have such changes , we will no longer be the same as before . we must be prepared for this, that the morale of a depressed country, where there will be a lot of people with military and psychological and physical injuries of any kind, the state of society will deteriorate many times compared to what it was before the war, we must just prepare for it and don't imagine the illusion that we will live here in a paradise society. no, this is quite a difficult job , moreover, it will be quite serious. i said social branching because as a result of the war, the middle class will disappear and people such as judges and others will get additional opportunities to to get out of responsibility, what kind of cure for this is the implementation of european legislation , this is the strict requirements of our western creditors to implement certain legal norms, this is

the control of the government by society, this is in the end, controllability of the opposition power, the mechanism of controllability of the opposition, we don't have it now and haven't had it for a long time. without the control of the opposition, there can't be, uh, no effective power, it's not the unwillingness of society to live according to the model, rob today, tomorrow, it's not the readiness of society to live according to the model if i fell in love with the leader, this borscht can even kick me with his feet and appoint various nobles as his advisers. and i will simply be stunned and look at him with my dull eyes, as was the case in the berdyan system from this everything must be given up, because otherwise, even if ukraine wins the war, it will absolutely predictably lose the peace, and we need the most important thing after the war , no matter how many decades it ends.

to those who help us today, and to the brother who will be born on this earth tomorrow, what you talked about when the creditors demanded reforms from us. permission to arrest why did they finally give permission because they are updated there updated composition and before they constantly blocked any processes these corporations these these people have been supporting each other for years and decades the same judges get there and then they cannot bestow their colleagues and friends substitute, well, obviously, because they are obliged and a person does not even have responsibility for his role in society , because it is not inherent in this society, because if you find yourself near financial flows, you grabbed god by the beard a all those who did not end up with these fools well, we know this whole soviet provincial paradise that was managed and continued to be managed here

in the political and legal system so that without reforms it will not do here. this is just another episode , another episode, but that's all with this episode . we express our condolences to the family of the deceased national guardsman and of course , as journalists, we will follow this high-profile road accident and this case and will do everything possible so that at least within the framework of the law he was convicted. if he is guilty, we will move on with by mr. vitaly let's talk about what is happening in nagorno-karabakh, it's still very interesting. i mean this peace agreement because there are statements from azerbaijan that they have already agreed and on june 1, if i'm not mistaken , armenia is going to sign this agreement already fully recognizes infidel karabakh as the territory of azerbaijan, but from the side of armenia they say that everything is in the process. why such

statements even because i think that there are many different interpretations of how to take care of peace . armenia really recognizes the territorial the integrity of azerbaijan, however, we must remember because the important thing is that armenia has always recognized the territorial integrity of azerbaijan, armenia, even when this country was ruled by presidents who before that were the leaders of nagorno-karabakh itself and robert kacharyan and sertsyan, it did not recognize karabakh as an independent state, it considered that the issue of nagorno-karabakh is an issue that should be discussed in one way or another within the framework of international dialogue. what was the change in the positions of the leadership of armenia, led by robert kachelyan, with this position held by first, the president of armenia levanter petrosyan and the current prime minister of armenia, nikol pashin, in this position

. it is simply necessary to understand that in the days of levanter petrosyan, nagorno-karabakh was perceived as an independent entity, and armenia demanded and achieved this for baku to hold negotiations , then armenia had better opportunities of course, for this purpose, with the government in stepanakertsk, and presidents lefter petrosyan and hydar aliyev negotiated peace between the armenians of azerbaijan and almost already agreed exactly bearing in mind that the future of nagorno-karabakh should be to be resolved in the dialogue between azerbaijan and armenia, armenia is here as a mediator and she does not believe that karabakh should be an armenian territory and there were questions then, how do you agree, this is how it would look, of course, we would like karabakh to be an independent state, but this is an issue that must be negotiated to be profitable by

agreement between you and not between us, when this agreement was broken, it was broken by the coup d'état of armenia because levanter petrosyan was removed from power by the armenian security forces led by robert kachelyan as a former president, we said what was new about the carpathian republic, what did robert kachelya do, and what was the mistake ? he said that the process of negotiations on nagorno -karabakh is a process of negotiations between armenia , azerbaijan, and armenia. azerbaijan should solve this issue for the karabakh armenians. continued, everyone basically reached a dead end , but in the 20th year, which inevitably happened because sooner or later it was necessary to understand how it can be settled because that is, the territory

it is essentially, let's say internally, in the internationally recognized territories of azerbaijan and armenia, they admit that this is azerbaijani television, it's just a security train for karabakh , a security chain, but no one doubts that this is exactly azerbaijani territory , no one claims them, but the question always arises . what next if you as a result by international agreement, you will leave these territories, what will happen to karabakh? well, what is the power decision now ? the peace agreement with azerbaijan should include security guarantees for the armenians of karabakh azerbaydzhanovych well, in principle, we can conduct a dialogue with the armenians of karabakh, but it is not your business because these are our citizens. they live our theories . what does the parliament of the nagorno-karabakh republic say, and the koshenians have no right in general , there is no right to say that, to recognize karabakh as part of azerbaijan, we are not part of azerbaijan, no, we are an independent state, no, we are an independent state

, that is, not even an autonomous state, our territory is not azerbaijan, because international is the same, international is not a conclusion, of course i am just saying how it looks from the point of view of the current current schedule, how it can continue to happen, the mechanism can only be such that armenia and azerbaijan will be able to recognize the territorial integrity of each other without taking into account this position of the nagorno- karabakh parliament . but here again the question is even if it will be so and the russian peacekeepers will remain there, what will it mean in the grand scheme of things, we see that russia does not really want of these agreements, armenia and azerbaijan agreed, and russia largely guarantees nagorno-karabakh to the population that it is the guarantor of its security and knows it

absolutely accurately, and it essentially forces the residents of nagorno-karabakh to rely on russia and not armenia and thus creates a trap for both armenia and azerbaijan, because it is clear that ilha maliyev will not fight with the russian peacekeeper and plays with him such a game with a kitten, because now almost all of them, including the hivno-karabakh parliament, the armenian church, and the armenian diaspora, they all condemn the first nations for this, for these intentions , because of this h. i thought that russia always supported the armenians in this conflict in this war until the moment of the revolution in armenia , when the revolution took place in armenia, russia began to treat armenia roughly like

ukraine during yushchenko's time, that's how they dared, we had everything planned oh, so we have a saxon president who turns the country into a parliamentary republic after two terms in office, becomes the prime minister, and he and i continue to cooperate, so there are some dishes that came out on they defeated this corrupt government in the street, pashalin became the prime minister. well, you know how moscow treats some people on the street and, in principle, a punishment strategy was developed , which means in moscow's version the strategy of punishing armenia. you can't do anything special. you don't even need to interfere in the war. azerbaijan, although you know that this is a strange situation when russia, which is a member of the cis and armenia, a member of the cis, at the same time sells weapons to azerbaijan . but

the regime in azerbaijan itself is more understandable for russia, it is a hereditary regime, ryham aliyev, son of gaidar aliyev, gaidar aliyev, colonel-general of the state security committee of the soviet union, a member of the central committee of the communist party of azerbaijan in azerbaijan, the first deputy chairman of the council of ministers of the soviet union, he almost became the head of the well, no, they couldn't do it now, because gaidar aliyev was 100 years old , but maybe ilha aliyev was now god in a roman slipper. i wasn't surprised, this is such a family, well, jokes , jokes, but they understood the regime, they understood the leader and in armenia, they did not understand the regime and it is unclear, it is clear that this is a union country, but you can simply not interfere, but interfere exclusively in the affairs of karabakh . you know that in karabakh, there are russian peacekeepers, what the russians did first when they put their russian peacekeepers there, they introduced the study of the russian language in armenian schools karabakh well, no, this is strange, because these people are in karabakh for the sake of preserving the armenian heritage, it's true, but russia doesn't always act like that, it's

true, yes, that's a good thing illustration because they are peacekeepers, vitaliy sounds like everything ron, you know well, they are not peacekeepers, they cannot cause even more escalation and wake up so that both countries have a non-transfer they will not so easily support one side , now they do not interfere with azerbaijan at some point they can stop doing so, they can start to interfere with azerbaijan and not interfere with armenia because when pashinyan says you know we will leave the csto and you know we started we will start a cossack to buy weapons from western countries. and you know that the dcb does not help us, and you know that we will not participate in your exercises . russia is beginning to understand that it can lose armenia, that it has played a big game. armenia and russia do not have common borders. and if russia

through the mediation of the united states or france or all together, it negotiates with azerbaijan and receives some guarantees of its own security there in the form of the united states or too much that russia can do. to pour salt on the tail, it is powerless there, that is, only and all its power is with the bad guys in the relations between azerbaijan and turkey with armenia only in this as soon as the relations between turkey, azerbaijan and armenia are normalized as soon as it turns out that there is no russia there, iran can be there, it can be kept there but russia there simply raises the question well, what are you doing there, why are you needed there where are your borders, god knows you, russia has a border with georgia, it has a border with azerbaijan, this is also a difficult border, and things will not be easy. i think that there is another escalation ahead, because there is the question

of the people of dagestan. divided by the russian azerbaijani border, russia will still work on this, if i think that the azerbaijani administration should prepare for such things soon, but for now it looks like this, pashenyal perfectly understands that he can blackmail moscow for the normalization of relations and he does it until a certain moment thank you what was clarified by mr. vitaliy? i think we understood what is happening between azerbaijan and the reglamenia and what the agreement was about. well, it will be like a new milestone, but not the final point relations and in this war for nagorno-karabakh, in fact, but let's talk more about what directly concerns us , the envoy of china traveled to ukraine in europe and decided, you know. such a conclusion is very strange for me to draw from the point of view of what

our representatives on e representatives of our government clearly explained to him that they support only the peace formula that ukraine dictates without giving up territories and so on, but somehow he listened and either did not hear or he was following his line, but he said that it is necessary to give up the territory and then the war is ending ukraine. by the way, he said that he did not say that, there is such a refutation from kyiv regarding the chinese position . well, it is absolutely clear. china has several tasks, the first task - this is number one - it is even on the issue of war, it is to quarrel europe and the united states, and he what he said it was not just that the war should end with the status quo he said you have to take your own position own eyes all the stories own position is that the united states is ready to continue this war until the parties are exhausted but it will be a problem for europe because it is better for you to stop this war, how to stop it, to stop it at the status quo, so that ukraine recognizes the facts of the territorial realities that russia is talking about, so that russia recognizes that it will no longer fight

with ukraine. well, what we said about these terms of peace. i don't see anything similar in this. in general, i believe that they heard this for the sake of it, and in principle , what do they think ? will be able to accept the fact of the constant death of their compatriots both in ukraine and in russia , only we warned you. well, you have, you have modern weapons. and you have hope that time will not help you. but it just turns into a twit, both countries, what is ukraine, what is russia two such huge cemeteries, well, if you want to transform it, what difference does it make to us, but if you want to end the war, we have a simple plan, it makes a difference that the war between russia and ukraine is ongoing, because this war helps their strengthening in both , this war undermines the russian economy of russia

it is becoming more and more dependent on china, since they can act freely in central asia there, this summit is central asia, but everything is clear to the chinese, and it seems to me that these are absolutely logical actions of china, this war weakens the western economy-2 this war allows us to play in the future at least how do they hope for contradictions between europe and the west? what will happen to ukraine? i think china is a bit of a mess . well, it will be part of russia. well, well, it won’t be part of russia . it’s still clear that after the war it will be an economy that, one way or another, will be need investment, the chinese can try here to play this game, they can not play, well, that is, this is not the market, you already understand , which was before the war, so china i think worries as much about the economic component as the political component of this story, that is , the use of russia as a tool to weaken the west and the use of war as parts of this weakening well, in fact, we

can't do anything to change their minds somehow , it's an authoritarian country, we are on the other side of the barricade, and in order to do something, we have to go to the other side the barricades are where china is in russia, or we cannot be stronger than them, we cannot be stronger than them, because only the whole civilized world can be whole for them, and this does not mean that we will change their minds, we are for it, it means that we can simply not pay attention to their position. they might have reckoned with us more if they were stronger , i don't think so. i think that for a country with a billion population, nuclear weapons and a huge consumer market in the west, countries the size of ukraine generally do not play a huge role only dyagnevich when they can be used as a tool or for current actions related to the failure between the european union and the united states, which is also by the way , does success not end with success or as eh

market this is what china will do. i think, by the way, that after the war it will try to take the place of russia, here they will simply spend money in order to corrupt the place, knowing that the elites like it, we already talked about it when i talked about the judge i think that there will be a lot of people here who will work for chinese interests and undermine the european euro-atlantic integration of ukraine. we do not even doubt this low-level position. i think that they already are . so it's all completely logical what they are doing and i don't i was surprised because in principle i thought that nothing else would happen, well, even their proposals are peace-making. the actions of the people's republic of china were understandable. i'm not afraid of anything. to be honest, it's happening. as it was supposed to happen, the united states of america still has some

levers to manage china. whether or not it will change , no one has any opportunities to manage . by the way, russia can only be created economic conditions that will force the chinese to think about whether they should introduce this or that line of behavior, but you see that if it does not go over very well with the russians, who are much more vulnerable from the point of view of their current situation, then why should happen with the chinese, who are not even under sanctions, who are even surrendering mostly not under secondary sanctions , well, the united states is aware of this danger from china, but they can do a lot in this economic situation that we are all in, there was no need to place all the enterprises in china and then think that it can be influenced . this is how you always talk about the mediation of china, after all, it wants to be such a big mediator between ukraine and russia, and the

south african republic expressed the same this week such a position that they could become this site of the peace of search formula and the vatican spoke about it again, but vitaliy, is it even advisable to look for some kind of mediator or will any one be ineffective for us? i think that the vatican is engaged in the humanitarian component , i would take this history out of brackets to a certain extent, although it is also conditional in relation to the south african republic , in relation to brazil, in relation to slovene arabia, this is all chinese diplomacy in different guises, you know , like the chinese theater with the masses of famous people . there are different masks and they are playing