[000:00:00;00] it was not necessary to place all the enterprises in china and then think that it can be influenced. this is how you always talk about what a great mediator between ukraine and russia , and also this week in the south african republic expressed such a position that they could become this platform formulas of the peace of search a and the vatican spoke about it again and p vitaly, is it even advisable to look for some kind of mediator, or will any one be ineffective for us ? i think that the vatican deals with the humanitarian component, i would take it out without parentheses of this story to a certain extent, although it is also conditional in relation to the south african republic in relation to brazil in relation to saudi arabia, this is all chinese diplomacy in different faces, you know how in the famous chinese mask theater there are different masks and they are playing

some roles, but it is mask these people who now they are engaged in mediating er-e conditional between russia and ukraine er-e in er-e country of the global rooster they have a special interest not in us but in the people's republic of china president klula with whom, by the way , president putin spoke today he all his peacemaking initiatives were announced practically before and during the visit to beijing by the president of the south african republic ramaphos recently conducted joint naval exercises with the people 's republic of china and the russian federation, of all the presidents of african countries who are going to kyiv and moscow together with amophos, only one prince of saudi arabia muhammed gensalma, who is not connected with china by any special relations, invited volodymyr zelenskyi to live here - before

that, with the help of china, he was able to agree on er, the restoration of diplomatic relations, so he is a huge debtor to china, because thanks to china , rockets with yemen may not fly at his country now. and this is a huge diplomatic achievement, that is, china simply knows in different ways. it is trying to convince in different ways that its position of ending the war without conditions is the most supported in the world here is the western position to continue the war and supply weapons of a global level, to end the war, it is important on the territory, no, no, the restoration of international law, injustice, and you just need to stop shooting, if if this is the position of china clearly outline, we need to just stop shooting well, we have already been through it, for some reason they don’t tell us, they keep telling us that we need to just stop shooting, well, conditionally, we need peace

, we need to sit down at the table of speeches, but something he doesn’t tell putin because putin and why should he say this to putin when putin says and i am ready for victory, this is ukraine, i want it, i am ready, there is a militarization of a large-scale invasion in turkey and belarus, and nothing has ended well, but russia was ready for negotiations then, now it is kyiv , non-constructive the idea is very simple and about it by the way, president lola also says that all the rest of ukraine and russia do not want peace, but the fact that russia does not want peace is clear because this war is not happening on its territory is not reflected on its birth, its economy, by and large, somehow copes there, but why does it not want to the peace of ukraine, of which there may not be anything left after several years of war, it is not clear to us that she is some kind of non-murderer and the government does not think about its people

who are dying, this government does not think about its economy that is collapsing, why is it peace-loving ? here is all the cynicism about it before you sat down to i wanted to ask about the president of brazil because a situation arose when president zelensky was supposed to meet with him in the fields of jaisov, so the meeting took place in hiroshima and he did not meet. in the president's office , they commented on this and explained that some plans had changed. the schedules did not coincide and so on, but as reported by the brazilian press , their leader said that the ukrainian president did not come to the scheduled meeting, they say that even the president of brazil was waiting for him , somehow, there was someone else receiving the president to vietnam to wait for zelensky, but zelensky did not appear. and they say he was not disappointed, but upset that the meeting did not take place. vitaliy, perhaps our president should have found time for negotiations with the leader of brazil in order to

also present some of his arguments and to their position with china was not so harmonious, the president met with the political ra of the president of brazil, i don't think that during this meeting, he did not hear any romances, we see the position of the president of brazil, it does not change, i don't know the reasons why this the meeting did not take place. i think that the president of ukraine had his own motives, which we do not know about, you know, i am not ready to trust everything that the president of the club says. he said a lot of different things in his career. not everything says but the president of the club says everything the president of the club you know such a person is not easy to say the least, secondly i absolutely do not understand how can we convince president lula when we have no money china offers brazil many billions of investments what can it offer now the president of ukraine is the president of insults. well, nothing. well, the nobel peace prize for conflict resolution, but you know

that there must be three people in this tango in order for the president to win the nobel prize . what did president putin say? well, yes, i am ready to withdraw troops from ukraine. if president zelensky says we are interested in your peace plan , and president putin says well for let them recognize the territorial reality, they will leave our territories, they will be demilitarized , they will be identified, they will not join nato , the european union will disappear altogether. so, i just i don't understand why you understand. all these things, in principle, do not affect anything, so i say right away that these countries will not solve anything. neither china, nor brazil. and in south africa, saudi arabia, any such peacemaking makes sense only when there is really good will the parties have to agree on something real, it is possible

, it could be about some kind of financial , military assistance, well, china will no longer help us , we understand what kind of wheels they have, but no, i don’t think that’s a pity, because china’s help means that we are turning into an authoritarian dictatorship. china just doesn't help. so i just think that it's not a pity, there is an absolutely clear place. and we, either with democracy or with a dictatorship , china will help us. as soon as we become cheerful in russia. things somehow forcefully he helps lukashenko, by the way, we can't help but remember lukashenko 's father appeared, after all, he didn't die and he wasn't very sick, maybe he was sick, he said that you won't wait if you write briefly about his death, that he will still live and live, that he was sick on some there was an infection several weeks ago and he did not appear at official meetings, but mr. vitaliy well, it is still possible to conclude that

his health failed or he is making excuses. lukashenko may not be a very healthy person. this is absolutely normal at his age and he really can to live in this state for another 10 years to conquer belarus under we have seen sick dictators, you see, the president could be in such a state, i would say in a state of semi-e-e plants, he conquered the country for up to 90 years and he was overthrown only because he lukashenko has lost all adequacy is everything okay with adequacy so i think there is no need, there is no need to rush, he really may have health problems, we don't know how serious it is, i always say to everyone who is preparing for putin's death, before lukashenka's death, it is necessary to make sure that they don't catch a cold at our funeral because they have the ability to use weapons and we only have the ability to discuss their state of health our task is that they

don't shoot at us and that they can't behave as an aggressor in relation to our country. and how long they will live, no one knows. on may 25, the minister of defense of russia and belarus serhiy shulegu and viktor khrenin signed an agreement on the procedure for placing russian non -strategic nuclear weapons in belarus, and lukashenko noted with satisfaction that nuclear weapons have already begun to be placed on the territory belarus , but in fact it is no less important where they are located. why are they doing something like that? they are russia. she can place her nuclear weapons anywhere in the allied countries and no one can stop her. we have all known these tricks for a long time, and i think that everyone understands that from the fact that the nuclear weapons are located in the belgorod region to the fact that they were located there on the border with ukraine, it is amazing and in one of the regions of belarus, practically nothing

changes, practically nothing changes and this must be realized together, forever must be realized that the russian federation is simply trying to play the soviet union, and the soviet union had the opportunity to place some of its smartphone-carrying weapons in different countries of the so-called socialist camp and the soviet union still organized peaceful demonstrations in the countries of the west, but no to the american pershings, everyone took to the streets, my god, german land cannot go to war from it, while in eastern germany , which was under the actual occupation of moscow, therefore the demonstration was not it turns out, well, that’s exactly what is happening now, you understand, because there is no east germany, there is no poland , the czech republic, slovakia, hungary, what do you want, there is only one belarus, because even in kazakhstan

, uzbekistan, you don’t understand it, we will mean to play the soviet union with the participation of one actor who can play the role of all these socialist leaders at the same time, alexander lukashenko, let him play the role of our vassal, i will play, i will think that i am brezhnev, he is some kind of erichak. if there was any classical meaning in this, i said to the military, you know , weapons have moved there, does it create a new danger for ukraine or not for ukraine ? the reaction of the world leaders to this or will they simply ignore it, i think that there will be no special reaction because no one believes that this is some kind of special violation of what has already been violated, well, everyone sees that russia violates the rules everywhere they can and everyone expressed their concern for

by and large, it's nothing, it's still unchanged, and then what can i do with chemistry as a state, move some of its weapons, you understand, because russia says, you know, from the united states, in other countries , they placed theirs, only it was there long ago, the majority was dismantled and taken away. there is nothing there. well, that’s fine. it still doesn’t solve anything, because everyone understands very well that a confrontation with the soviet russian federation is the united states. it is a confrontation with the use of strategic nuclear weapons . you understand when the soviet union was the soviet union and when nikita khrushchev conducted the operation with the placement of missiles on the cube could be understood. who are you ? there was nothing good in this. but there was logic in this. we are literally 20 km from the coast of the united states. here we have placed missiles that can carry

nuclear charge we can attack the united states right here, and the united states then said to listen, if you put your weapons here , it can lead to the third world war , because we will not let you do that, we will attack you first. what are you doing now, when my colleagues in westerners are compared to the caribbean crisis, what kind of caribbean crisis is this, when they simply travel with their nuclear weapons , and it must be understood that in any case , the president of the russian federation, lukashenko, is responsible for these nuclear weapons anyway, he can’t do anything with these weapons. well, he can’t do anything, but strangers are happy about it, and you know how stupid he is, because he becomes, from his point of view, a player, not his, he becomes the president of a country on the territory of which, uh, there are nuclear weapons, only and act without suitcases, you know if i will have a new car, it will be in the garage, but i won't be able to drive it to the garage, look at it, wipe the dust off it, wipe the mirror, look

at yourself, say, that's a beautiful car , bring your friends, look at what kind of car i have, and when you i drove on it why did i drive this car? it is standing. well, well, healthy people cannot understand that as a result of some conditional nuclear conflict, belarus is turning into a target for this conflict, which was not the case before this. he drove himself into this dead end. he likes us. a dead end because i say it again. for you it is a dead end, for him it is a proof of his importance and you know what else could be that he thinks that in this situation putin cannot abandon him. imagine the belarusians leave again on the street and it is clear that the lukashenko regime will collapse, can russia allow it now that it understands that its nuclear weapons are there

? nuclear weapons. and he wants to totalize them. well, then lukashenko can always scare putin. listen to me. he is guilty and his people are doctors because the russians will come. you don’t understand our nuclear weapons. i am the guarantor of their nuclear weapons. i am better than putin on our territory. well, of course there is. a statement from france that this country is ready to provide security guarantees to our state by concluding a corresponding agreement on this message. the ministry of foreign affairs of france is currently discussing with its partners what would be the best way to support ukraine in all areas and for a long period of time. well, these conversations are taking place in many western countries countries both internally and externally in order to do something so as not to take ukraine into nato

, but supposedly to give it security guarantees, you and i, mr. vitaly, have repeatedly discussed this topic, but i would like you to emphasize once again, and then what points should be there so that it is not nato membership, but that we still have these guarantees that are real and not just on paper, there are no such guarantees, this is a fiction , a fiction, there are simple guarantees if for you you are attacked, you are protected by another country that is ready to be with you , there are other guarantees if you are attacked, you are not protected by other countries that were supposed to be with you. is different from what is happening today. and if, for example, all nato countries do not want to help ukraine, and france , for example, is ready and we will sign an agreement with it that in the event of an attack on ukraine, france will support us in this situation, france actually withdraws from its obligations to the bloc

nato france cannot take decisions that will call into question its obligations, you understand , because if we imagine that in the morning she signs an agreement with us separately, or she alone intervenes on our behalf and then she is attacked, then this it turns out that all nato countries have to help her. well, this is the fifth article 12. well, who knows, this may be a mechanism of temporary guarantees for those that finland and sweden received temporarily, so it may be that they want to take us into nato now, where are the united states or great britain they give us guarantees of nuclear security, this is a tool for a certain time , but to sign an agreement, you can sign a separate agreement with the united states, but everyone says according to the israeli model, but the united states is not

at war in the middle east, is it true? no, there voiezel army states where they will give more money more weapons in such situations they can do it but fight who will fight will be ukrainians and i apologize there opposite israel is not the russian federation is therefore the whole way is a dead end not just we need to understand it clearly and by the way often they said , especially before a full-scale invasion, such topics were raised. look how much the united states invested in afghanistan, well , it’s true and they fought there, of course they were helped, there were such conversations. well, they invested more but as a result, how did it end with the withdrawal of the place is absolutely accurate and here it can also end like that at a certain moment with the non-withdrawal of the troops with the termination of, say , military aid in such an amount. that is why it can be like that. maybe it is politics. therefore, you must not just be morally ready for this video

it is not necessary at this moment to be members of nato , i perfectly understand that this will not happen at the vilnius summit, but then there is the fact that no one is and you can get an invitation there. although there is one more moment, it seems that in new york time yesterday there was a column it is important where auto said that we should not discuss whether ukraine will liberate all its territories or not because we do not know what war looks like but there was a federal republic of germany after the war it believed that it had jurisdiction over all the territories of germany but the soviet allies did not recognize the jurisdiction, it recognized the sovereignty of the german democratic republic; moreover, there was a time when the federal republic of germany broke diplomatic relations with all countries that recognized the german democratic republic and vice versa, maybe not 20 i could be wrong, but for a long time and only with time you somehow normalized it almost before this fifth year before the helsinki mack well, that did not prevent

the federal republic of germany from becoming a member of nato absolutely no, this precedent can be applied to ukraine if there is a political will. i understand these countries that way, but at the vinnytsia summit, by the way, they say that the creation of the ukraine nato council will be announced. congratulations, what can this council do for us? for us, the meeting can discuss the issue of military aid, the issue of joint strategic actions, the question of the directions of european euro-atlantic integration , everything can work like this, that is, it is not bad. let's go through what the consequences of this time will be and what we will be left with at the end. ukraine's betrayal of nato or with a ticket to nato. this is an important moment . we have 10 minutes left. i also propose

to discuss the topic because mr. i forgot his name desantis well, i forgot, well, thank you, rondesantes, yes, the governor of florida officially became a candidate for the presidency, but from the primary, yes, from the republican party, and he is trump’s main competitor. however , the gap between them is quite high, they looked at the may polls, more than 60% trump and desantis have 18 or 16% of support within the republican party. well, much less, and what do you think mr. vitaliyovych, does he have a chance or is trump still such a strong nut i think that trump is now much more opportunities to nominate a candidate for the position of president of the united states in air defense, there are no such opportunities in principle, but everything can change simply because

trump has these legal cases and it is not known how it will end and it is not known whether he will be able to participate in the election campaigns if he participates in premix, he will win in them here , you don’t even have to think particularly , even in court cases, your opinion does not fall because it is an image, people who love him, they love him and the basic battles, uh, uh, uh, so it’s just like that the story is actually another landing party from him. well, if we talk about the usefulness or disadvantage of him as the president of the united states of america for ukraine, he is also ambiguous. we talk about trump. he supports putin’s russian federation there and so on. he considers the landing party his superhero there. however, on the one hand, he says that the landing party is that putin is a war criminal on the other hand. he says that we

need to achieve peace, allegedly by any means, and supports trump's rhetoric in the same way, so if the winner is the republicans, we in any case, it is not profitable, vitaliy, i think that everything is not as clear as they say, firstly, there is a position not only of the applicants, there is a position of the congress, secondly, we do not know how the war will develop in such situations, i assume that someone from the republican e- of the candidates, it is possible to really believe that he will go to some negotiations with putin , the negotiations will not end and everything will return to normal, so to speak, we cannot in principle predict how the international situation will develop in 2024, a difficult situation as it what will the russian-ukrainian confrontation look like, how long will it last, the west is obviously counting on some kind of reconciliation process even before the presidential elections, putin is counting on a war before

the presidential elections, that is, there are completely different interests, we do not know about all this at all, but the fact that the election campaign has already started despite on the fact that the elections are in the fall and this does not distract the attention of the united states. here are such internal disputes and sharp enough debates of candidates from the russian-ukrainian war. i would not think at all that the russian-ukrainian war is a significant factor in these pre-election transitions in the united states, they play a role for completely different motives, the economy, taxes, the state of the population , medicine. i think that the administration also has a huge desire that, er, this war will somehow end before the elections, that

it will not be an additional topic for debate . you see, why are people working so hard now, we are preparing you are spending billions on the war in ukraine, president biden and they have not been able to do anything during this time, well, what have they spent these billions ? here are the elections. well, what are they continuing to shell them, the prices can return their territories, how long will this continue , how many more billions of american aid are needed to understand the helplessness of your course, if i were trump's president, then they wouldn't have attacked. and if they had attacked , i would have stopped it a long time ago. i absolutely do not want to hear this from trump or from anyone else republican candidate, of course. before the presidential elections of 2024, there will be a strong enough pressure to somehow, if not finish, to stop the situation so that it is not used during the pre-election transitions. the question is whether it will succeed because there is something besides biden's desire. putin's desire, and putin's desire for it to continue, is the desire of siedenpin that it did not

end. these are landings for the war. he does not say that he will end this war in a week. he is more careful with his statements, but he too says that i would do everything to end it at any cost, in fact, that is why their rhetoric in this sense is very similar . recently, one of them is about lgbt, it was banned in the state of florida directly , desantes has an influence as a governor , they even banned the distribution of any information in educational institutions about lgbt trends and so

on, absolutely, and it is also about abortion a very important topic, desantes was one of the initiators of the law that was passed as a result regarding the banning of abortions after the sixth week of the term in the state of florida, these are also such sufficiently socially resonant topics that is why it is interesting how americans will react to them , true democracy is a struggle between conservatives and liberals are always people of conservative views who defend their positions, there are always people of liberal views who say it is necessary to move forward , there are always people of centrist polzi, as they say, of course , the pedals must be moved so that the conservative part of society did not feel humiliated, it should be done in such a way as to take into account the interests of everyone, this is a normal democracy, well, in the state of florida it will be like this, in some other state it will be like this, and then the paratroopers will lose the elections , the democrats will come to power in florida and cancel all these laws until things, he already gave them the opportunity to talk to the voters. you see what we will do when we become the government in the state of florida. we

don't need to invent anything, we will repeal the distance law, it will be this abortion again, see how good it is. and if the people in the state support it the question is because the distance was able to reach, say, the cuban diaspora, this is the catholic diaspora, you understand. they are conservative people, but if well, then they will start canceling all this, and then the republicans will come at some new stage, or they will introduce it, or time will already advance so much what will it be necessary to guess something else, let's say ban the use of some terms within the framework of artificial intelligence, life goes on , the concert is what is the problem of any conservatism he can never fail to catch up reality because it always fights with the past and not with the future and uh by and large that is why liberalism always wins because when we see that

conservatism wants to win at any price , it turns out neflory, where does russia come out, you understand and the paratroopers are politicians to the democratic world that takes into account, he does not just say that because putin is an icon here and there, he is fighting for the votes of the voters, he takes into account their interests, the voters will have other interests , the rhetoric of desantis will be different, because biden is an exception it is clear that there are losses in the international arena in the form of the fact that he was not able to end the russian-ukrainian war , as such an american would like, the economy is different, there are also successes, no no no no successes, but in any case, everything is wrong with the question how does the economy look like today? the question is how it will look before the us presidential elections in two or three months, and you can have a great economy in a year, and then pressure before the elections in a few months will lose everything, we have already seen it many times

strong presidents who were losing because of that, they will all have a great reputation and economic reformers and so on , so let's see now it's too early to evaluate all this, we'll understand how it will be literally on the eve of the elections and remember one more thing that people can vote not so much for bai - how much against trump as it was for us in the last presidential elections, thank you very much, mr. vitaliy vitalik, we held the saturday political club for you, we will see in this composition