[000:00:00;00] you would have said in the early 90s that now turkey will become stronger and , based on the further course of the russian-ukrainian war, turkey will encroach on crimea and so on, these narratives have increased and they annoy me very much, because all experts, excuse me for these words for this word. they absolutely do not realize the true aspirations of the turkish state and its relations with its neighbors, which are always within certain limits , they are sincere, and as for the territorial integrity of their subsidies, then turkey is absolutely always consistent in its policy. and now regarding your question, wait a minute. i apologize for the rifat . we just have the next guest. excuse me. in just a minute, it is very brief what is happening in

the turkic world in the turkic world, and turkey claims that ivan will strengthen the council of turkic states . in order to strengthen our positions in world politics and the positions of the tuner states of the ukrainian state, we recommend it and we are working on it, it would be desirable to be a member of this council of the turkic state, but a spectator in this organization and it seems to me that this would be in the interests of the ukrainian state. thank you very much, referee chubarov, the head of the forest of the crimean tar people was with us. thank you for finding time for us. now to china. vita holod, the head of the board of the ukrainian association of chinese studies, is in touch with us. i hope that we will appear now. we will see it so we saw it and we ask yes and we ask and we ask a very general question but

very it can be insidious what does china want what is what china is changing what i observe i am not a shintoist but i see that china was very, very careful, and as i understand what the day of this pin bequeathed - it is very developed first to become a very big power, not to interfere anywhere, and then the world itself will admit that well, it is necessary with such and such military financial power and so on and so on well somehow behave more carefully. and now he has started this china activity, some very serious activity, what does he want , will he continue his activity, or will he , on the contrary, slow down this activity, will he continue

to quarrel with the united states? will he start to reconcile, perhaps on the economic platform, does he really need that son and siberia? is the wallachian strait more important after all? i still cannot understand what this beautiful country wants. thank you for such a question . china wants to be a global leader and does not want to remain a factory for the production of consumer goods, china has the ability to become a global leader, and china has loudly announced this; its activation on the international arena is natural, because china has come out of a long-term lockdown of, let's say , covid-19, covid-19, such-and-such period of three years and the fizinpin entered its third term, i.e. now we have seen both the intensification of the visits of european leaders to china and the presence of china on

international platforms. china will carry its messages to the world loudly because it wants to be the same power as you correctly said , like the usa that is, china is learning and china is building all its components, including the military, like the united states, and it is already known that by the 50th year china wants to become an equal competitor with the united states of america , and that is why its peacekeeping mission in ukraine and we on the ukrainian platform from modern china held a round table this week and came to the conclusion that it is the global ambitions and the desire to restore relations with europe that are explained by this activation

of the evil in ukraine and in europe . we also see very friendly relations with russia, on the one hand, on the other hand, we see a renaming in the chinese situation, all the names on chinese maps are russian in chinese, but the main question is that china does not have any experience in creating alliances, moreover, there is no even chinese strategies for creating alliances, how is it possible in the modern world to build one, to become somehow important, if you don’t have alliances, the whole world knows that in order to become important, you need to create nato, it was once a session of america, australia, new zealand, or was it called something else, shorter, you have to

to block and something even in all the blocks , er, so that it would be profitable for everyone. well, the chinese do not know how to do this, he simply does not have experience in this matter, if i do not have experience teaching physics, then i will not be able to do anything, i will come invest and no no no no i won’t say what will happen to me but it will be something so close to a heart attack, so he learns very quickly and indeed you correctly pointed out and he emphasized on all platforms when he was accused of an alliance with russia that china has no alliances in no sense with russia, and at this very international round table representatives of tai, the scientist emphasized that such a rapprochement is explained solely by economic benefits and the presence of chinese companies. for example, we know an active such the expansion of the automobile industry in china is explained only by the fact that western companies have not yet left, it is natural that chinese companies entered there very easily, we

know that the chinese government actively supported small and medium-sized businesses and on- this year there is a high bar for the development of the chinese economy in 5%. and this explains, let's say, such activity, and yet china continues to diversify its channels and supply of energy resources and is in no hurry to, let's say , open some investment zones, and we came to the conclusion that, after all, relations the russian-chinese ones are based on contracts and there is distrust of leaders at a high level, although some people think that this is a rapprochement friendship without borders, but the chinese side has already explained that friendship has borders and this red line is not the transfer of lethal weapons to russia, it will not be crossed under any circumstances we observe another major such moment regarding alliances regarding influences china is building its economic

influence this central asia and the countries of the so-called global south where china is an active player and has, let's say, leadership ambitions from india, there is its own competition, these countries are very diversified in terms of the war in ukraine , but still china has them and that is why further dialogue with china is important in ukraine and in including and we very much welcome what heals came to ukraine and we have such a negotiation mechanism and the next stage has already been announced that you uh-liv- in july and there will be a peace summit zelenskyi announced a meeting of sever in hiroshima and at this very forum the world needs to invite the chinese the side of, shall we say, the representative of the global cock, but the country that can

influence those neutral countries that vote in the un, well , if they support such a neutral position. by the 50th year, china will be able to match the united states, and i'm not talking about the economy . and i'm not talking about that . i spoke like that when such things when chinese mcdonald's will appear when these cultural elements and people want to be chinese. i don't know, maybe they want to do eye surgery to make them

look like that, because there was a period when everyone wanted to be like americans. now they don't like europeans, but after the war there in the 50th year, everyone was kissing them. i won't even say which place because they brought money . they brought management. they brought a lot of things and taught europeans. that's why i don't believe. and you believe in the fact that until the 50th year they will build the same aircraft carriers as in america in the same number, they will do all this and we will all be in love with the chinese and we will all stop learning english and start as it advises us. by the way, the russian brothers are so-called to teach chinese in every school to change , they are cutting vague doubts china has a problem with the so-called soft power, it is true and the fact that they are promoting the chinese culture of education through the confucius institutes is not enough and

they already have the confucius institute, let's say that i do not agree with this, but the majority zmi-, er, emphasizing the confucius institutes have such a bad reputation there, agents or something else er, that is, soft power is really a problem and now china will change its policy regarding positioning itself in the world, and we know that many people who are now responsible for the image of china, they they studied in the usa and they were at harvard and other educational institutions, that is, they understand exactly how china should be positioned , tell us we hope that there will be some changes . we feel the aggravation upon arrival in china. i am currently in the usa and spoke to the chinese diaspora here in new york, and unfortunately they note that they are, shall we say, hostile to

the entire asian population, regardless of which passport this or that person has , so this is the rhetoric and which also threatened us from tv screens precisely within the framework of the election campaign in the united states, and this is precisely what is observed from the chinese side. is building and developing its own brands. that is, this population of one and a half billion already supports national brands, it has such pride for national brands and huawei geely and you can list many things , but they still support the american e-e and tesla, the head of which recently there there was also microsoft and adidas. they have a large, large sales market in china. that is

, all this will continue, but in contrast , china is building its national policy both in terms of the economy and the development of national brand and let's see until the 500th year, there is still a long time and china understands that it must first of all count on its own domestic market, which is quite capacious and they need a lot of things, for example , the problem of tibet, the problem of hong kong, the problem of xinjiang, the problems in the communist the party alone that is in charge will finally let the world understand how covid-19 appeared, i don't know, i won't talk here. i'm not a great specialist in bacteria, that's why, and all that , you know. yes, there are narratives, but these narratives do not

come from heaven, they are specific yes it was the problem is that there are recorded facts in xinjiang, recorded, everyone knows that there a single party rules everything and can imprison someone and not imprison someone well, in short, there is a lot to talk about, but you and i, ms. vita, will talk about it next time, the head of the board of the ukrainian association of chinese studies , you know everything after all, globalism, china will support globalism because it is in america, and we are talking with it precisely about china and to be pleasant. well, now we will talk about internal ukrainian politics, and this seems important to me. medenitsy head of the organization of ukrainian nationalists people's deputy of the seventh and eighth convocations if he appears, we will immediately show him to you, we showed

him, we show everything, mr. oleg p. i don’t know if it’s work, but it’s definitely not entertainment, i would encourage you to talk about the role of nationalism in ukraine in general, on the one hand, it’s not such a popular political class, and frankly, during the elections, it’s not, and what’s more, victory on in the elections of the nationalists in the broad sense of the word, i attract freedom and the national corps, and so on. she is always there when there is internal political aggravation, but i once told oleh tyagnybolka that i am voting for the nationalists, when i see in the hall of the verkhovna rada an overwhelming majority, so to speak, of the yanukovych who just physically

beat not the yanukovych and then i vote for freedom for example or for the oun why because i know that these are strong guys who will punch those who are for russia, in fact , there should be representatives of the physical forces within the walls of the verkhovna rada, you mean the elections of the 12th year. yes , to the parliament, and i, if i, i saw around me there were a million people who all never voted for the nationalists in kyiv. i mean and on this day and they on the day elections at 12:00, they just all went and voted from below, and that is why we know the absolute heroism of the nationalists. we see it now on the front lines

. we congratulate. nationalists who political, and not in such a controversial moment as i described, and now during the war , they are all absolutely necessary for ukraine - these are important people for ukraine, maybe some are very important, but in politics, there is an intersection - to cross the fifth percent barrier. oleg, you know that we are actually an organization of ukrainian nationalists - it is a political organization, but a political organization not in the sense of a political struggle between different parties in ukraine, but in the sense of politics, well, our politics, for example, our predecessors, it was the creation of the ukrainian state, and we waged an armed and political struggle for a very long time for the creation of this state, and in the end, the nationalist idea won, and in 1991, the ukrainian state appeared , primarily because we protected this idea , the idea of ​​struggle, the idea of ​​sacrifice, and protected our

symbols of blue- the yellow trident flag and in the end it became the symbols of the state that was born suddenly er well, actually not suddenly because generations of struggle were behind it in 1991 , but now nationalist norms are also winning when i talk about the oun as about the political organization, therefore, first of all, about politics, about politics in relation to the ukrainian state, they give strength to its military power in relation to various peoples who throw at us from the west or the east, to our culture, to our spirituality, in this sense, we are political the state, that is, we don't have political commotion and political bustle or if , first of all, things in the state are changing and we state that exactly what we proclaimed

, what we fought for is going in the right direction direction, what changes we have always proposed at the political level, they are in ukraine, and both the external attributes and the internal ones, they are in the ukrainian state now, well, for example, yes , there is our bander slogan, glory to ukraine , glory to heroes, this is the official greeting of the armed forces of ukraine, our anthem of the organization of ukrainian nationalists we were born in a great hour, this is the red and black flag of the new ukrainian army, the flag of the organization of ukrainian nationalists, you will see eh under eh under each i don't know above every position of the ukrainian armed forces this anti-iperian the struggle of the bolshevik bloc of peoples is now transforming into such a front of the peoples enslaved by russia. once we destroyed the soviet union through the abn, now it is through this front of the enslaved peoples that we are trying to convince these peoples who are in russia under

the russians under putin to get their independence, it is the same the anti-imperial struggle is now actually our, well, not our state policy, but it is very close to the state policy and, for example, of our baltic countries, they are absolutely clearly convinced that the security of the baltic countries will only when russia collapses, well, in the end, we are also convinced that the future generations of ukrainians will be safe when russia collapses, that is, these nationalist ideas of ours, what are we , what were we going with, were we fighting, they are current now, they are in politics political struggle and in the sense of coming to power there, well, the organization of ukrainian nationalists is not a political party, and we do not go to the elections, that's why i am convinced that you see, mr. oleg, but several important

principles are important here. i seem to be asked questions very often i discuss with the nationalists on the topic, how to say more economic. well, first of all, i don't like the rather purposeful idea of ​​the nationalists to support the state itself . i think that society should be supported, but the state is still important to nationalize . well, maybe we disagree, but i see some kind of miracle in the economy because it is considered that nationalists are right-wing parties. and i say, what kind of right-wing parties are they, if they want to do as the great lenin taught us? the gentlemen at that height of the economy stayed with the state when they start telling me to give the peasants

in the economy, we will only have small farmers, and there are already letifundists . i am starting to think here, no, well, i would definitely like there to be both small and medium and large and such and all. what kind of fields are there in the kherson region? we need something big. and maybe in the north, on the contrary, something smaller, and so on, that is, here i have money to exchange, they laugh, they are confused , they have their own background. we need to take care of the ukrainian state at any cost, preserve it at any cost, and then future generations of ukrainians will be protected from participating in various imperial wars on the side of the aggressor country , or will be protected from various famines that the occupiers once organized for us, so we we always put the acceptance of the state and talk about the fact that when there is a ukrainian state, it

will reliably take care of its citizens, and we can now see that the army created by the ukrainian state and the citizens who support this army is in fact a reliable protection of ukraine from complete absorption from genocide and ethnic cleansing that the russian aggressor is doing , we have already seen where and how, of course, ukrainian nationalists generally baited the state , now we have different economic approaches. well, the nationalist environment is very wide and between they themselves. we also talk and discuss what the economy should be. someone says that there should be more of the public sector. for example, i am a supporter of more of this , well, liberal, or this type of management style. i believe that the public sector should be more, less is more true, and i believe that most of our monopolies should be privatized . unfortunately, it is now. well, i am not talking about

naftogaz or ukrzaliznitsa, relatively speaking, but these are all the distilleries and, thank god, they have already been privatized there, the wood processing industry which has not yet been privatized, it does not have a critical need in the ukrainian state in order to receive this industry, because in my opinion and in the opinion of most leading economists, it seems to me that the public sector is always worse works than the private sector, that's why there's always such a discussion there about the sale of land, for example, i'm a supporter of the sale of land because i look at how civilized countries live, do i have the impression that there are nationalists there? i don't know, but i know for sure that they live better because market laws work there of the economy and i believe that the ukrainian state should implement these market laws and these market laws of the economy. i think that they will bring prosperity to the ukrainian nation

. an interesting story is currently happening in the russian federation . there are many such visionaries. i am not describing them. friends of ukraine are enemies . they are fans of russia, they say that this is the only chance for us, they say, they are russians well, to preserve somehow, to turn from an empire into, well, into some kind of national country of russians. kingdom, to what extent is it possible from your point of view, i just think to myself when i start trying to imagine the heads of russians, that is, for ukrainian nationalists, it is a natural process

, moreover, you have just proved that it is not only where nationalism is simple for ukraine, it is a natural process of returning to oneself, to one's origins, to one's languages ​​to their culture to their international relations and so on and so on and so on, but for the russians it is not, well, not like that, they have never been well, at least for the last 400 years, for how long can one imagine that they are from the empire will be able to turn into a national russian state, look, the world is changing very quickly, circumstances are changing very quickly in the 90s. yes, bush visited kyiv and said that you do not need any independence, ukrainians do not need any state, we will take gorbachev , you need a language, you will have a language you need your conscripts to serve in ukraine, we will come to an agreement with gorbachev, but don't bet on the issue of politics and the creation of your state , but in the end the soviet union collapsed. well, that's why i

believe that it will also collapse one day and the russian empire will disintegrate into national states, including a national state of some kind, will moscow have ethnic russians, or i don’t know who else is there in muscovy, or those peoples who came there and work there in various uh by drivers or is it already there or garbage is collected somewhere? well, it seems to you that now half of moscow is not ethnic russians, but in the end the moscow empire must be destroyed and our such hmm ambassador to the politicians to the forest establishment of the political that is the biggest guarantee that we will live in peace and calm and we will be economically developed, this is the mind of the russian empire - this is the return of our ethnic territories that are now in russia, that are actually

occupied by russia, this is a decree of the national states that are now uh, from those nations that are now oppressed by putin and russia. yakutia imagine how much wealth she has there for six months , as there are more of us and there are fewer russians than there are corners. why are they fighting here? i am convinced that sooner or later these peoples will wake up their self-knowledge and their very identification , they will understand that only in an independent state created by their own hands will their nations, their peoples, future generations be safe. of ukrainian nationalists, a people's deputy of the seventh and eighth convocations, is the one who joined our program , we are just a minute and a half away from anna in

melnyk, who is already ready to tell you the news , and i would just like to talk about this now just take a moment to take your time, what in ukraine, when i see heated discussions, i am very careful about heated discussions. i believe that in the political spectrum in ukraine , all nationalists, social democrats , christian democrats are needed, absolutely everything that exists must be except for people who hate e- of these parties, such as the national socialist communist party and so on. and so on. we all know the new politicians, the old politicians, all of them need a military-political one. now there will be many military men who will enter politics.

military, which is in the rear, everything is scientific, ukrainians need this, you must always understand and not enter, you are categorically wrong , and i am categorically right, it is exactly fascism, communism, how is it that there is only one principle and one-mindedness and i believe that after all, ukraine should be diverse and colorful and so on and so forth similar this is how i finish my part of tonight, eh, i kindly give the floor to the charming ani yevremelnik, and i myself go where the eyes are looking . all the best, i sincerely thank you not for the fact that the word will sell and for your work, the team continues to work news, and this issue begins with the hottest point on the front, i.e., from bakhmut near bakhmut, in the past day there was only one combat clash, although the enemy