[000:00:00;00] due to the fact that they do not have very many reserves, they transferred them to the occupied territories or close to the occupied territories in order to be able to carry out military actions against our state in the future, but hmm , the prospects here are very uh, we need to understand, let's say, it is so important let's see how russia will react to this in general, because there is such an organization as otakb, we understand, and on the one hand , russia has the right to call them if it sees the problem that they themselves cannot protect their borders there as an attack we remember kazakhstan, they helped now, er, all these countries are trying to turn their backs on russia, except for belarus , even before providing them with weapons or with their units, i'm talking about the dcb, only belarus is helping there, all the others are trying to stand aside

but such measures can, in principle, give russia a trump card if they do not call in units. although they also have the right to do so, some experts say that this is a humiliation for them, but as a trump card, they can put it or invite them to provide it the weapons that these countries do not want to give them now, well, under one pretext or another , that is why it is necessary here in a very, when we say, they are planning to- you already know that she took such a step when she completely blurred her borders, and now when talking for a dekabet they can ask questions to the russians and where are your borders in general, these are the borders that were defined before 1991, when the soviet union collapsed - these are the borders when you let's tell everyone, they announced that you annexed crimea. is it the borders? they once said that you annexed

donbas. was it when kherson and zaporozhye were captured ? for example, if the akb is addressed under any pretext, how will it explain the state, after all, its borders, which are not internationally recognized, are recognized only by russia, and this is also a question that i think the russians do not have an answer to, but on the other hand mr. roman when they were entering the troops of the soviet union to kazakhstan there, the core of these troops were, first of all, so angry , it was the russian troops there from all the other member countries, so 10 to 20 e-e troops were introduced. er, russian democracy. exactly. exactly. and here, for me, the more terrible problem is the provision

of weapons, and these are precisely those countries that have a lot of exactly the same kind of soviet weapons. what happened in the countries of the warsaw pact, and these countries do not supply us, but they have a lot of it, and the russians are now doing this with their diplomacy. they are looking for these ammunitions . they still have no big problems with them there, but they understand that they need them already and soon in their industry has turned on, so they can put pressure on these countries of the odkb and say look at us, they attacked our territory and now let's help and will they then be able to refuse these countries because there is a fact of attack yes, and here i am talking about the consequences once again maybe this will not happen, but we have to list everything when we conduct such operations, mr. roman, let’s go on about the situation in bakhmut, it’s still interesting, and on the approaches to the city, we understand that the armed forces of ukraine are somewhere more on the approaches, and the wagners in this area are allegedly leaving

about this is what the intelligence of britain and also the armed forces of ukraine have confirmed certain rotational movements of the wagnerites from the city, but do we have the ability to surround the city of bakhmut , what have they been saying lately that it is worrying for us in terms of information, so they are little by little are starting to come out and for the beauties, this is a very profitable situation because he understands that he can afford to do what he is doing now only after he remains the winner. and he now considers himself this way, despite the fact that he has lost a lot of resources, but still he can claim that he is the winner of the captured type, but the russian army did not succeed, but prigozhinsky's mercenaries succeeded, and against this background, he is now the most effective military subject in russia , and everyone is watching him, we see what statements

he does and he understands that if he stays and loses those balances, he tells us 50,000 each, we understand that he does not have them , he is trying to inflate his price, now this guy is making a set so that he still has those losses that he has if he just these if he simply loses this company, everything will perish in him , he is already a subject. therefore, he wants to leave , of course, for putin , it is not profitable for his gerasimo to leave. because they need this army of wagnerites to perish, they already see the reverse side of these chvk wagner i in general, when they fought somewhere in syria or in african countries and supported the interests of the russian federation, business interests. let's say this. it was one story, when they humiliate the entire russian army and make statements that are already more political and humiliating . the whole flight, the military-political leadership, of course, this is not necessary for russia, that’s why they will now, i think

, try in the near future to somehow involve this wagner or do everything so that he is either not replenished or not at all changed his or reduced his combat potential or, er, resistance to this, they need some victories for the russian federation, because we see that now it turns out that all the defeats are the russian federation , because when they entered there, while the front stabilized, and this was the first stage and the first stage, in principle, everyone has already forgotten about him, because everyone knows what they did from the start, there was a strong mass attack, there were various reasons, there were our mistakes, their mistakes, but when the front stood somewhere there at the beginning of the summer and then they started reverse processes russia escaped back in march in march from kyiv, then sumy, chernihiv, they left, then kharkiv, then kherson , all this russian army, all this is the russian army , and

soledar victory is what they have at the end. wagner, and therefore, of course, the russian army needs some victories in order to win. they did not associate with wagner, but defeats from the army of the russian federation as it is now. and tell mr. romanov, in principle, if we talk about what is happening in the occupied territories the territories are full of territories, unlike in the territory of russia, they can even be fired at with long-range missiles. we have a chance to prevent them from further turning into a bridgehead for the russian offensive on ukraine with these new weapons, the occupied territories, which we will say we are finishing almost there, well, almost to the sea of ​​azov, maybe a little closer there but plus the missiles that we have now appeared

, so we all know about stormsadov, which is air-based, but we also know that when they were given to us. the challengers went mx10, the french ones went hmm, the leopards, the german ones, and now we have been promised abrams, so i think the range of these missiles will increase, and this will give us the opportunity to prevent the creation of such an effective logistics chain and logistics bases of warehouses than anchoring the enemy in these occupied territories of ours, so let's talk some more , mr. roman, we spent a few minutes having dinner, 16 in particular, but how long do you think it will take our pilots to learn and this infrastructure that everyone is talking about

they are saying to build it so that we can use them. well, here is the question. i think we will break all the schedules. what should there be in general, what about the planes? i think retraining there . according to various estimates, from two to six months , i remember when there were three sevens and one of mine, one of my familiar brigade commanders went to them to learn uh at uh baltic one of the baltic countries of the baltic countries and there the course was calculated for one and a half months . if i am not mistaken, i will say. and the boys took off the hyacinths just as they were running out of ammunition, they were taken right off the hyacinths and sent straight from the battlefield , they were sent there for training, after a week they already showed better results than those who trained them, after two they were already on, let’s say, about 2-2.5 of them

have already been on the battlefield and hit the enemy, that's what interest is that we have the opportunity to send professionals there, it will still depend on the personnel, it can be fast, of course , the planes themselves will be mastered, then the issue of mastering weapons and the issue of infrastructure what will it look like, of course, how many planes will there be, if it will be there, 2-3 planes, that's one thing, if it will be dozens, and we need hundreds of planes, of course, it's a completely different matter, and at the expense of their basing and logistics pass, e- the radius of their application allows us to cover the whole of ukraine, let's say, so here our command needs to make a decision and the nato countries and our neighbors to decide that some part, i think, can be kept on our territory, and some part can be agreed that they should, for example, be on other

in the territories of our allies, they flew here, attached weapons to themselves and continued to work because part of them said that the 48 was being destroyed to find well, 48 is already something going, they achieved very good results, at least so on our ministry of defense comments, but what do you think, do we get 48, why did you really go alone to the last rammstein about 2-3 planes i hope it will again not be in one day in the middle it will not be in one month but i gradually hope that we get i think if the decision will still be made about someone is currently at the vilnius summit, who do you know of such a thing? perhaps there is a nato brother there. i don't know what else they are coming up with. i was at the 15th security forum and the deputy head of the russian state department of the russian federation and the united states spoke there and what questions were asked to them. and will they accept

very soon they will say that we will receive, tell me, will you receive more specific proposals of what you have already received yes well, this is not very encouraging, but the fact that the transfer of such aircraft means long-term cooperation because well, in my opinion, such weapons as airplanes, tanks, there are serious systems, this is an application for cooperation for a decade. why did russia at one time have 400 in belarus, there were airplanes given to them now, nuclear weapons, that’s all they are occupying , in this way, the military of this country. and with us, this is cooperation because what did you say correctly, the infrastructure of weapons, spare parts, training, we will constantly say the purchase of new planes for everything for a decade, and we will say the dependence of one country on another, and this is definitely an alliance, and this is an important step, in addition to nato, but planes are important step well, such a gesture

of further cooperation and solidarity yes yes national security defense and intelligence colonel sbu was with us the direction of communication and we are moving on our next conversationalist igor eidman russian sociologist political expert journalist and publicist with us in communication from germany good day kaspryu good evening, let 's start with the word peace, which were announced today, peace in quotes, of course, which were announced today, replace the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation with mikhail galuziv, there is something interesting here the thing is like that because everywhere and in ukraine, including in a way that is not clear to me, the reason is perfect. i believe that russia already understands the complexity of the situation, that it wants a truce , that its conditions will be, let's say, more lenient, and russian conditions are getting tougher every day. this is the feeling when you listen all this is that the russian army is already near kiev or in kiev, and

that ’s why it is putting forward such conditions. yes, in the conditions of capitalization. psychiatry the point is that the russian dictator vladimir putin is the so-called dictator . of the globe and everything is good for him , that is, there are some temporary difficulties . does not want to and cannot respond to it adequately, therefore , as i have already said, yes, some sympathizers of putin's russia return to the country and those

politicians who are interested in its existence, they constantly give a pass to putin to putin. china is actually engaged in this , the body is engaged in this , and the turkish leadership within russia is engaged in this. the preservation of the future regime is that of prime minister lyn, but putin does not listen to them because it does not suit this proposal, it would be beneficial to accept this proposal and now in the role of such a quasi-pseudophile peacekeeper to say that all the guys we are stopping the upcoming actions we are for an unconditional truce without any there are conditions about whether to leave because only the freezing of this war could save the putin regime, which is obviously at least

deadlocked in this war, but in fact it is going to be lost, however, putin does not accept this submission. in fact, he failed it the position is such an inadequate situation that tezimpin's visit to moscow failed when he arrived with the chinese peace plan , which provides for the freezing of the war unconditionally, he hoped for putin's support for this plan actively, and well, putin, how is it? they are pulling his hand and he pushes it away and says, i am now breaking the black sea, but does putin know the real situation at the front ? kyiv was not taken in three days, and they were not taken at all. they were expelled from many regions of ukraine . i initially said that this situation can only be analyzed from a psychiatric point of view, and

from a political point of view . information comes how is this real information you can have, and in general modern in the situation you don't need to be the president of a big country to have access to information in fact , anyone even opened the internet i don't know students can understand how what kind of situation is russia in, what kind of impasse has russia reached, but he doesn't want to know this information, he doesn't want to know negative information, he wants to continue to live in his own country, that is, on his own planet. he wins, that is, he lives by his own seduction, this is called deceiving me, it’s not difficult, and they deceive themselves, it’s natural, the officials all know that in order to be sitting in sitting in their own country, putin needs to bring current

good news because it’s bad news as is well known to the couriers, of course, they also provide an answer to the information to support his confidence, so said the undisclosed character of the beauties, yes, a happy grandfather may turn out to be a complete freak on the letter i would then they would lose the war, and the main thing now is the task of the world community, it seems to me, that the girl arrived here in this state of happiness until the very end, so that he did not have time to chop firewood and that the end was extremely unexpected for him. while everything is going to this end, tell me to continue the topic of madness. there are many stories to be found on this week, and i want to ask about the trinity, yes, the icon of andrey rublev's brush, because it suddenly became a political news, we would not discuss it at all, that this is an artistic topic , the preservation of the ancient icon of paint, how and where is it even preserved, the temperature regime has long been on it someone turned it into politics, that is , all the people who are specialists in the preservation of ancient artifacts say that if

you transport it to a place , it will simply fall apart, but putin and the patriarch another urban lunatic from moscow came in. they just want to force everyone to submit to their insane desire, and i don’t understand the logic, that is why they don’t accept both of the usual, er, professional arguments in principle. yes but it is strange, after all , there were no discussions on such and such topics before. where is the director of the tretyakov gallery, which, by the way , anzhelika, the daughter of the former deputy head of the fsb , is not a random person in art? she says that she does not consider it possible to transport her already all this is to be said

, putin's close people say no he was such a tekushnik, it was not incomprehensible to him. and now he is turning into such a typical russian tsar and dictator , a rabble-rousing samadur, but i don’t know the type of pavel the first, for example, or the late khrushchev . that is, what kind of people will not come to his head eh, he must say, oblige to implement what he is, as it were, an absolute ruler, an autocrat who knows how to list it, you can also have it, too, with the weakening of the best brain, he has all kinds of mystical ideas come to his head because they hope for everything, that's what he thinks that yes in the image of a bribe to god, the test well, it is clear that he does not think that he believes that gundyaev means that you can better help him with something, the lord can do something if he likes the icon.

in principle , it will lose social practices. means god well, after a deal with the devil, it seems to me that it is impossible to negotiate with god , but this is exactly what strangers are - this is a story from a card that zorkin rummaged through his office there, and this was also a strange scene for everyone when the two elderly people are looking at the map, where ukraine is written in capital letters, say it twice if it is 11 twice, and then you see that somehow there is no word ukraine on it, it’s like that, that’s also strange. you know, i saw a huge number of medieval boats. how is there a word there? ukraine from olka, as if wristbands, deserves some kind of map where it is written twice so as not to miss, brings it to putin and says you see that there is no word, he says yes there is no such word and it cannot be like that, you know here is the fairy tale about jelsomino in the land of the priests, here is this here

sausage is sold here, there is no test, food is sold, paper goods, that's why it says sausage, and this is all soviet children saw, they also saw, they behave exactly like this, too . strange story, all of this is one after another . here are some incomprehensible things, let's give a demonstration, they are just demonstrating that they are already polnoradnyy full of inadequacy, that old man zorkin, that old man putin , by the way, it’s obvious that bradbury was the truth , he didn’t bake much, so he said that he has what is this state of mind, well, what does that have to do with it время в состояние i learned it, that is, there is progress more powerful than pills, and progress is going, the legs are asking , and why, even there are all kinds of crazy russian games, patriots. in ukuche in the situation of 2022 , as he says , and in the army he did not even actually come to the service. why? and why is it explained

again? it's hard how in 2022 then he still couldn't decide to commit this wonderful crime against humanity , he's not ready. i think everything will be possible in 2020, because my grandfather was already completely inadequate in my advice, he considered his own. далее так далее that is progress, what is actually called regression, you idiots and we are getting stronger, we see that the war has already moved to the territory of the russian federation, we do not know who exactly moved it or is it internal resistance , such as the legion of russia and volunteers battalion, or is it still the defense forces of ukraine, because we have no official data about this, but at the same time, to say that bergasherova is riding - i deny it.

as for the special operation in the belgorod region, do you still think that something can be scaled on the territory of russia or not ? i think that such operations can certainly be carried out and further, i know that it is quite actively supported by the volunteers in also the russian volunteer corps, which conducts the civil council will mark it and of course this can continue, but i don't think that the war will play a decisive role. i think that the decisive role will naturally be played by the invasion of ukraine, and it is the ukrainians who are talking to the russian invaders, but further on, after it is the state machine and one to be tortured by the loss of the war , of course, any formations of the russians, yes, they

will play. they are created, they can really enter russia. they are already talking about this putin's regime . please tell me, many western media are now talking about political beliefs , such as acts of protest, and the legion of freedom of russia is saying that this is an ultra-right radical belief, and that it can, on the contrary, damage ukraine. from zoya's point of view what kind of activists support her among the citizens of the russian federation arranges forays into the territory of russia well, you are not afraid of such a thing, i will divide it here into two points for some public effects personal attitude, i can honestly say that, for example, in germany, there are many publications about that and about the leaders of this russian volunteer corps, do not remember his last name . well, they are extremely negative, and indeed, this is probably to some extent, but not very strongly, but to some extent it has a negative effect on the island of ukraine in ukraine in the same germany. i am just a part of germany

. i don't know that it is very strong, but it probably has some kind of influence. it's just something more alien, i probably can't even come up with it, yes, on the one hand, on the other hand, unity now, let people fight with- there's something with the absolute evil , you're putin's regime, and for now these people are fighting with this besotted evil budsky regime, while it does not help ukraine. well, the right will win then yes, this evil will be absolutely crushed , it will also be possible for them to do something, somehow , they will clarify relations with them if necessary, but for now they are the right. here are the situations when nazi germany was absolutely evil and i was a democrat working with the communists yes maybe i had my nose but nevertheless i came to cooperate for the sake of the victory with inscriptions so now many of my friends are also liberal friends in the fact that they are from this grenada council which they organized here are the employees we are russian nationalists this is situational

until the victory over putin but that’s not менез - это полнерациональность моей проективный время thank you thank you mr. host thank you i want to tell you angelica igor fredman we were in touch russian sociologists political expert what is this position it seems important to me because i remembered how we worked during the maidan in 2014-2014, that then the right sector was the all-ukrainian association svoboda, which is also a distant organization for me, and i kept getting the answer to the question, how are you standing on the stage of the maidan you are not the only one, next to oleg tyagnybok, the leader of the all-ukrainian association for freedom, but you say you are a liberal. and by the way, oleg was also asked the same thing: you are next to sportswear , you know what kind of views he has, he is a liberal, cosmopolitan, and generally a supporter the absolutes of other values ​​are inanimate and we are different. we always explain to the audience to listen, but the people who fight with us want us all to disappear, they want to destroy us all . what

is it now ? let's figure it out, then we'll turn to the citizens and say, citizens, who do you want to vote for, for example, who are you , of course , who do you support ? they can even hear the opinions of others, but if there is no country, what do you think is the significance what are our views, and you can see that , sir, from me, as a result, i was interested in talking about it, and it turned out to be an absolutely identical position, because those people who wanted russia was a normal country, well, there are not so many of them, but they are facing the same dilemma, if they do not adequately respond to it, they will simply suffer an obvious defeat. but it is a pity that there are very few such people in russia, but the historical process is going on, you know russia's history had a different twist ihor semevolov director of the center for middle eastern studies we will talk about a twist

in the history of turkey or about what will not be at the gate we are already literally a day before the presidential second round of the presidential election well, what can we say panel well, for now the situation remains difficult for kylyshny, and he, too, of course. during these two weeks , he radically changed his rhetoric, he started talking about refugees, about the fact that syrians should be expelled from the country, er, his rhetoric became tougher, he held negotiations with the ultra-nationalists and amid ozdah, this is the leader of the ultra-nationalists, unlike ogan, who is actually also an ultra-nationalist who supported the organ, that is, but the mitosis of the roof, he supported the kylych road, that is, the electorate of the ultra-nationalists is unknown for whom

he will vote actively, the kylych account means that he actively works with the youth because practically few young people came to the polling stations and it is even more difficult with the kurds and the kurds here the position of the minister of internal affairs and under certain conditions he wants the continuation of the control of the central authorities over the cities of meramikor, well, that is, there is such a procedure that representatives of the central authorities can be appointed, if there is a situation in the cities of kursk, the mayors are not like that, and first of all, the cords well, if at least alibaba janda, in particular, he announced that they will review the support of kylych tareglovy, but then, after all, the court about