[000:00:00;00] absolutely, we should not even pay attention to this, ah, god, and today we already mentioned such interesting considerations of a russian sociologist, who is a graduate of the russian moscow state university , who is not very likely to conduct a poll today, since he is not pro-government, does not support the war in ukraine, the invasion and yet he makes such a trick from the group and tries to present the moods of ordinary people, and here are his conclusions that the majority , the absolute majority of russians. more precisely, he actually does not meet any other position. they do not have any pity for the fact that people are dying in ukraine and do not have any shame for what their country has done in principle. of course, this does not have a sociological sample, it has no sociological value, and it is a scientific one, but another ukrainian sociological survey, on the other hand , shows that almost half of ukrainians have

relatives in russia or belarus and of the same communication or from the minus of communication with those relatives. it seems to me that all moods are intuitively understandable and reliable to ukrainians, and this , accordingly, gives us the opportunity to conclude that even not only from putin the presence of the kremlin depends on what the war is. well, we do not see russia's desire to end this war. this support for the war by its russian population is very high, which ultimately leads me to yesterday's thesis, which i can also talk about, that until ukraine has the opportunity to kill as many russians as needed at any time. without special losses for themselves, this war will not appear to the russians to be meaningless, or will ukraine really be able to reach a capacity of, for example, a

million shells per month when we really we can produce a million projectiles per month at russian positions from precise systems of western production. when we can theoretically reach such indicators , what do you think it would really mean when we talk about statistics, sociology , etc., then we are fighting it not with putin, not with putin's regime, we will really win with the russian people, who support their er zadian clique there 87 92% according to various polls, the population there supports putin, i.e. in fact, this is the policy of the entire russian state regarding the destruction of ukraine and indeed, the main fuse in such schedules is the potential of our armed forces, which can protect, firstly, our national interests, and secondly, be such a significant barrier that russia will not be able to cross even after we reach the state borders in 1991, after

which the hostilities continued, we understand this, and now we are at the stage when the european defense capabilities of the american industry are actually being deployed , and already now, for what we will receive , the risks for our armed forces are already significantly reduced forces because the similar equipment of the ukrainian army is slowly being produced. but we understand that the two main components are reconnaissance artillery, there are long-range systems, this is what is currently the most expensive part and it will be needed even now in the course of hostilities and in the future when we say that we we must ensure a 300 km de-metralized zone, that is, so that no russian military can approach the borders of ukraine, which is at least 300 km away, all this creates such serious challenges to the creation of a new model of armed defense forces by the way, negotiations and consultations with the american side are already underway on this topic, approaches and requirements are being formed, and the optimal solution for how the ukrainian army should

look in the future, this foresees a significant increase in defense spending, we must understand this and technological re-equipment the indicators are now being discussed and what will be the optimal form. i can't say yet, but those simple things that you read about, you are talking about what needs to be done in order to increase the amount of destruction enemies in the maximum possible volumes, actually this, and in my opinion, is probably included in the concept and will be the basis of those changes that will await the ukrainian army in a new form after the victory, although in fact the transformation of the ukrainian army is already taking place, qualitative changes actually. yes , we have a difficult task and it is also means that we need, we cannot have an economy ten times smaller than that of russia in order to fulfill these tasks. we cannot forever rely only on billion

monthly subsidies from our allies. thank you, mr. serhiy serhiy zagorets, a military expert and director of the defense express company, was with us , but now we will talk about the memory of the memory of those ukrainians, whether her life was taken by russian aggression, we remember these people with a moment of silence every day, and the journalists of this platform and the editors actually don't just remember, they collect memories, fix them and try not to miss a single person, either civilian or military. unfortunately , russian aggression took away anastasia abramets , editor-in-chief of the ma-memorial platform anastasia is also in touch with us. we congratulate you. good morning. tell us about the work of the memorial platform since when the idea appeared and why did you decide to record it, because , for example, we do not talk about e-e losses among the military on tv screens. this is

accepted because we have an invasion so that somehow people's mood does not fall, but each of us has social networks and each of us scrolls through the feed and from time to time learns, either from the feed in social networks or from some of our acquaintances and relatives, that one of our acquaintances and relatives has died whether at the front or during during the occupation of one or another populated place of ukraine, the idea of ​​a memorial platform actually arose in an agency or is it a media agency, when the war began , e. with the help of different people with different teams, i started collecting these stories because they understood that since the 14th year we have numbers, but we don't always have the names of who died

, but the people who died are not these crucifixes , these are specific people who had their own dreams the plans for life in which the relatives remained, in fact, in order to cherish these statistical figures, in order to talk about the dead as individuals, about each one separately, we collect these stories, this is one such big goal, and the other is to form national memory as such in general, for this we actually shoot documentaries films, we are organizing exhibitions, for example, tomorrow for children's day. we are presenting our regional center an exhibition about dead children in order to increase this culture and memory and support for each other. in general, there are different models of how to highlight the losses among the civilian population and among the military, especially in long wars, we know that in

the anglo-saxon countries, as they call them, it has been a tradition since the first world war not to hide victims among the armed forces and to report about them and this is what we really see in social networks and also do it. for example, some regional media keep a certain count of all the dead fighters from the region, respectively. but isn’t there a danger , how complete is this list? is there not there is a danger that in this way you actually play along or play against the official policy of the ministry of defense, is it not possible to calculate the real number of dead ukrainian soldiers in this way ? the fact is that, firstly, we do not name any numbers , and secondly, we do not publish all the stories at the same time, these stories when before we are contacted by our relatives and we see that our officials also attend the funerals of fallen soldiers

. they also write about it on social networks, and up to ten stories are published a day, and each person is given special attention, and in no interview we do not name the total numbers and our database has more dead than already published but actually no numbers are ever named and until the end of the war er we will not name them therefore i do not think that we can do no harm here and none there there were no appeals or conflicts with the ministry of defense or other parts of our military , and we cooperate and exchange information because we have a common goal of preserving the memory of everyone, how do you collect these stories? the death of a person and you begin to learn his story, what is behind the fact that so-and-so died, we have several models of information collection, but one and

the main one that we researched before starting the work is the form where the relatives themselves fill in the information about the deceased. it is very important because it helps to reduce the level of retro-rheumatism of the relatives, there is no direct contact and thus it is easier for us to carry out the primary information, and after that there is a verification of this information as to how accurate it is, because uh, the relatives in in a state of stress, they may make mistakes, they may not know something, that's why all information is necessarily checked by two editors, this is our main method, which we adhere to the most, and a lot of people actually fill out applications, but we also have other methods , for example, when civilian shelling occurs and people have just died, then on that journalists can work directly on the ground, or look for data in social networks, contact the city authorities and thus look for information , we also have partners in the mass media with whom we exchange information in order not to

traumatizing relatives with the same questions several times is our main method, and we also collect any information we find in our database in order to later return over time and record all the victims . was close to them so that the information about her sounded. it is difficult for me to say. because i am not a psychologist, but from the fact that we talked with psychologists, for people, talking is one of the ways to heal, that is, until we start talking, we will not start healing. and this helps a lot of people to speak out and we have examples when our journalists call to clarify some small detail people need to talk and they start talking and talking their conversations can last 2-3 hours but i never

interrupt people because it is important for them to tell this story as well we receive hundreds of thousands of messages on social networks with thanks that it is important for relatives that they want the story of their relatives who died to be told at our offline events we usually invite relatives who have died who are the heroes of the films or the heroes of the exhibition, and this is always the scariest moment for our team. are we not injuring the person in addition , or will it be painful to come, but in each case, after the event, relatives approach and thank and say that for them it is very important that they feel supported, what is important to them, or are they paying attention, that's why we and the team also call on everyone, each of us has someone who died and we know their relatives, support , speak, ask like people, because from the outside it can

look like a person has accepted his injury that she lives an ordinary life but in fact it is a huge pain and people need to speak and they need to be heard, it is very important for them , i just now, well, i went to the site, if you look at the military, there is no need to register, i made two surnames that are still heard by everyone. roman town hall and he is in this base and this is artem dimyt, who is also in this base, this is the hero of lviv , who died as a defender . body from the gray area on donbas and he is not there, for example. that is, this database is obviously not completely complete, even with regard to people who are quite well-known, because

a lot was written about yevgeny, and he was also a notable person in lviv, at least but but , that is, you are taking this information from open sources, obviously queue we take information that is assured by relatives and then we check it and it is usually just not open sources. and the appeal is a clarification guide just for most of the information. i am not from open sources there at the beginning when we did not have a separate team there in march 2022 the information was mostly from open sources. right now, we have a lot of our own information, but we have limited resources and so the database is completely incomplete. first of all, we work on the forms that are actually sent to us , because if people fill out this form, they want to share this information, and this is our goal. don't take someone else's information somewhere, but first work on those appeals, but in general, we want

to gather absolutely everyone over time. when there will be an opportunity, when there will be more resources. well , andrii, you can. by the way, can you fill out the application? a person who is not native, but there is, it was an acquaintance , a friend can fill out, can fill out the application and enter the name and surname of yevhen olevych, also in this base, among the civilians, there is also the surname of a person we knew, is it our neighbor zbu or sashko golda, who was killed russians during the occupation of buchi of course i wanted to see these people's surnames somewhere on social networks when they correspond with you, but now you see them on the memory platform of the anastasia memorial, uh, you talked about journalists who, hmm, when they check the information, they communicate with their relatives they learn more details, they ask something in more detail when relatives sometimes do not just answer questions, they start telling more stories, and

journalists are not there to listen to them. i understand that journalists are not the majority, but it is still traumatizing for those people who work with such painful information. that is you not only collect information, but you also somehow accept this other's pain and there is a lot of it, you actually turn a little into some kind of psychologist, how do you not burn out people who work on the memorial platform, how do they protect their psyche from being able to work and not drown in this grief, well, somehow, we managed to pick up a team of people quite quickly who understood very well what they were going to do and everyone was aware that it would be psychological it is difficult, but everyone understood that this is not just a job, that this

is a mission and it is very important, and in this way we probably succeed. painful, of course, every story about a death is painful, but there are some special ones that are impressive, and of course all moments are very difficult, but in general , the whole team understands why she is doing it and for sure. in this way, we have been working for more than a year and continue to do what we are doing, and everyone is ready to work further, in fact, well, if people are watching our broadcast now. who has relatives, close friends who died in this war, whether military or civilian, and maybe they also want their memory to be preserved. they want to share their story . tell us what the procedure is for them, what is necessary it is enough to simply go to the site either from a phone or from some

computer device and at the top there are two forms that you just go in and fill in the information and there are literally a few questions after that our journalists process this data in order of priority and this information is mandatory for some time will definitely appear on the site , that's all that needs to be done, if we need clarification and you leave your contacts , we will contact you additional ones, no , maybe we will check there with the help of information requests, but all the stories that filled in absolutely will definitely be published, that is why it is very valuable for us. for people to fill in the information themselves if they want to preserve this memory. anastasia, i also wanted to ask because the memory among ukrainians, well, at least now, i don't know for sure if there are people there who can fully disconnect from the war and forget about it because it reminds of itself everywhere, no matter where you are, in different ways, but do you also work somehow

for a foreign audience that is now starting to live its own life ? on the nose, beautiful weather, vacation time. and the war in ukraine has been going on for about a year, and somehow they are getting used to it anyway. well, they can't live with our problems all the time. do you remind foreign audiences with the help of this very platform of memory ? that the war is not over for us and this list of the dead is updated every day, we run our english-language twitter, which invites everyone to subscribe , and also to tell our foreign friends to subscribe, and in addition, we organize together with our partners various actions abroad yes to the anniversary of a certain large-scale invasion we were just talking about the dead children exhibitions were held in new zealand for teachers in cities in

poland and also in israel we also translate our films and show them abroad and i won't say that foreigners don't care about them they forgot, of course, the level of this stress, the level of lack of support, the attention is probably falling, and this is psychologically adequate, and we do not blame anyone, but in fact, when we organize some actions, people come , they react. they are interested, and the city government does not refuses ukrainians who are abroad and want to organize some actions, so it is difficult to say that foreigners don't care . but actually, this is the story that we tell them, not because of the numbers, the number of thousands died there, we show them real people like you. in general, a terrible story of children. they see that these are ordinary people and it could happen to anyone , and then it is easier for them to accept it and understand

it. we also prepare texts of large formats, such as reports and landings, and publish them in large all-ukrainian mass media, as well as in some foreign ones, for example, we had a lot of cooperation with the romanian publication, as well as the estonian one, and now there are also other countries in the plans, and people read it and are so interested , that's why i can't blame foreigners that they don't care and they don't care about our mountains, despite the fact that the topic is really very difficult and very painful, thank you very much for your work , i am very interested in the shakhtar project, a bit of a platform of memory, a memorial, e-e, find it, join your relatives, the memory of the dead so that it is not forgotten, oleksandr musienko , director of the military legal center of research, mr. oleksandr is already joining us. good morning. good morning. i greet you. as far as i know , you are currently in kosovo. is it true that today in

kosovo and then in skopje, macedonia ? and the army of serbia is stationed near the borders with kosovo, which is not recognized in belgrade, in particular, as an independent state, so what is the situation now, how tense is everything, can it really open up, this is also the balkan front, the situation is tense only who seems to me to be interested in the opening of this balkan front, it is russia , it is, in principle, a common enemy absolutely here for and both for us and for many in the balkans, with the exception of a certain part of the serbs, not all, but the greater part, it must be recognized that they are in fact certain accomplices and what is most important is that, in principle, it can be stated that behind these

riots that took place in the north of kosovo , where were wounded. the organization of wagner's communist party, that is, most likely they were sent here to serbia, where they continued their recruitment to this day. as far as is known, ukraine is doing serious work to get the serbian authorities to resolve the issue of blocking any means of financing and generally recruiting wagnerites. that they were sent to the war against ukraine as well. i want to remind you that in principle there are certain successes in this , this is also very important, the current situation is such that , as it seems to me, in principle, the parties will ready for dialogue, most likely, the west supports it because there is a single goal - in principle, to accept serbia into the eu and then to accept kosovo when, well, it will probably happen later, obviously because many countries still

do not recognize ukraine as one of them. that's why it is not a matter of time, but what i am leading to, i am leading to what this means that, in principle, russian influence on the balkans will decrease and they will not succeed . the most important thing is what is the purpose of all this, that now russia was organized by its serbian friends there, the purpose was to divert attention from the war against ukraine, they shifted their focus from the terror they are carrying out against ukraine . i think they will not succeed because they predict that soon, this tension in the north will subside, although at the same time , they have sent additional troops and an additional contingent of several hundred people should arrive today. here and what is the atmosphere among people, how do they react to it well, first of all , we must say that if we take kosovo itself , probably 95% are all pro-ukrainian citizens,

there are foundations that help ukrainians and helped what can they do? the idea is that we will create such a function of ukrainian-kosovo friendship, such a club that will work in the same way. because for us there are no states, there can be no small-big and so on. for us , the criterion must be whether the state is friendly to us or not, well, they they are very friendly, they are extremely supportive of ukraine. i see ukrainian flags here , the position is absolutely clear, as it is for many inhabitants of the balkans, in principle, the pro-russian enclaves that are here, they are kept in serbia , they are somewhat in montenegro, and they are in part in bosnia and herzegovina, in the end, it can be said that the opinion of the people is absolutely pro-ukrainian, they condemn russian aggression and support ukraine, so it is quite important for the people, i want to tell you that they do not support the scenario of escalation against

the serbs. serbian and no one in principle does not oppress anyone what happened happened it's just that the serbian community did not like the results of the elections what were the results of the mayors of the municipalities held in the north and they decided under this the reason is to invite the wagnerians to this serbia and arrange this is what they are trying to arrange, well, kosovo is ready even to enter into a dialogue with them for compromises, all in order to prevent bloodshed and in order to ensure peaceful coexistence, but now we can see what he is teaching on the screen after all, the president of serbia speaks more for the fact that other things, but they will also have changes in the leadership of the party, political changes , therefore, in principle, i think that this information will not grow into something more, fortunately for us and kits for russia is always such a moral dilemma in ukraine, because since

we had a problem, so to speak, with separatist territories, if you can say so, we were very careful with all countries that or territories that try to use a-a with the possibility of the right to self-determination, which are it is recorded in the un, and on the other hand, there is again a contradictory pump that the borders of the existing countries are not divisible. that is the case with kosovo and taiwan. ukraine is very careful. it does not want to annoy serbia, nor, of course, china . even more so, can ukraine at least regarding kosovo, take some diplomatic , correct steps. look, now the first dilemma of kosovo is emerging . the application for joining the council of europe was dropped. russia left . kosovo will take advantage of the opportunity to enter.

this is what i just want to say. i am the one with whom we look and think how serbia will react to our position obliquely and, in principle , we will face a dilemma: what should we do in this situation, how can we act , close our eyes and say that we do not need a member of the council of europe, who will support ukraine or a member of the international community, one more vote. and this is important, if it were not there, would we still take certain steps? do you understand what the fundamental difference is between kosovo and what happened in crimea and donbas ? became victims of ethnic cleansing and genocide and the un international court of justice is the decision of the un international court of justice that allowed them why in order to protect their right to life and the right to exist in general and that is why they went to this decision but it is not does not correlate with what is happening in our country, because we have a completely different situation, we are dealing with the annexation of the territory for its subsequent occupation and about this

is exactly the opposite of the decisions of international courts that russia should leave the territory of ukraine, so my opinion is personally, my opinion is that the question of recognizing the independence of the course is a matter of time, we will come to it sooner or later, because the processes taking place here in the balkans indicate that there is, in particular, a consolidated position our western partners and the united states and the eu, the majority because there are also some eu countries, and they admit that kosovo should become a member of the council of europe in the future and someday be a member of the eu. we will also be the eu, and in the end these processes will be needed regulate and solve, and otherwise solve them apart from recognizing these geopolitical realities. it seems to me that it will be difficult. thank you very much for this comment. there are many questions left that i did not have time to ask, but i hope that there was such an opportunity to communicate oleksandr musienko director

of the center for military and legal studies was with us joined us from kosovo , in fact, the internet is beautiful, i see such a small country well, it was as if we were in the same studio , now it felt like our hour had come to an end, one more time to analyze the situation at the front a little, and we will also talk about how to preserve the psyche during all these massive missile attacks, if not by god's will, how to get enough sleep, but all this will be the next hours and just now a fresh selection of news what happened in ukraine in the last hour i know anzhelika sezonko and i will tell you andriyka, you have a word thank you, the russians do not stop raiding our territory in some regions, there are victims . unfortunately, i will inform everyone after washing . 462 days of full-scale war between russia and ukraine continues on the air, news on espresso in