[000:00:00;00] about his closeness, the employee lubomyr huzar waited for this and he took part in the transfer of this baton it was a very clear strategy, it's not even something that i know now that they conceptualize those things, it was very clearly spelled out, thought out, they sincerely believed that it would happen and they waited for it well, they passed on this baton. i think that such people already exist . if we didn't have them, if we were the ones who passed on the baton and we didn't raise this next generation, then we wouldn't be able to resist now. this russian aggression, and in it, in the context of this war, there will be many more and others, yes, such leaders that we need. unfortunately , those are leaving, but i am personally convinced that new anatolia will grow on those seeds, you know , uh,

that's a very mundane question i drove a little from the west to the center of the country, and then back i looked a little at the greek-catholic churches in small settlements, but also in large ones, and i noticed that they are starting to look more and more like some orthodox churches, and that one in moscow of the patriarchate with golden baths and these bulbs are changing from above. i would be interested if i could ask lubomir husar to tell that priest to those religious communities who think that in order to make the church more beautiful and beautiful, these baths must be changed so that they shined and glittered far away and that they were great, and i ask you. of course, you can’t, i don’t know

, rewind time and get into the brains of lubomir guzer, but in principle, knowing him, well, i also turn to you as an expert in this field what would you say? what would you say? what are your thoughts on this matter? it also hurts my heart when i see that the church is turning into some kind of kitsch church religious pseudo-religious ketchup. are they trying to imitate some elements that are not characteristic of our architecture? you know all these bulbs mentioned. and so on. well, lubomyr huzar was very sensitive to various such artistic things and very much appreciated and loved all forms, you know art from architecture to music and so on , without a doubt his heart hurt too, but he was not an authoritarian person , you know, like that, i don't know, such issues were solved with a cavalry charge, he understood that people should grow up looking at some good examples, and i think that a

lot has already changed. unfortunately, there really are various such excesses it is possible that in some places they are even massive. it depends on a certain region. sometimes people only imagine it like that. some kind of sacred space, well , you know it gradually. i hope it changes with the change of generations of priests. also yes, that is, in principle, seminaries now already have subjects devoted to the law of art, and i think that the new generations will appreciate it more , you know, because here it is not even a question of how new churches are built, but what is sometimes below are the old ones. and for this, blessed lubomyr himself is very, very painful always reacted eh well, i think that if he said, although not authoritarian, but he would say something like that, everyone who made a decision or contributed to the fact that there was a golden bath, which absolutely does not fit into

this church, then there are such barren people shame and we thought that it would be better to return to the way it was or to think about some other solution. thank you, mr. anatoly, for the conversation . thank you for your memories of lubomyr huzar. about this great war of russia against ukraine , eh, but then again, he was also a refugee. if we go back to the past, he told his memories, didn't his parents flee abroad, or was he dead now alive, did he become like that some people said to lubomir guzar that cardinal huzar was still a teenager at one time and dreams of becoming an astronomer, because as he said, an astronomer , and he said that it is unlikely that i would

have turned out to be a good astronomer. if ukraine had definitely lost a great thinker and i i would say a moral authority, there is a lack of moral authorities precisely in order to sometimes point to the same lack or to some moral or such gaps in our understanding of this or that situation, which would be such a little bit of a moral compass what is called by the way, about moral behavior, let's know that the news that struck me is true, there is still no official confirmation, but i read it by denys kazansky that the ukrainian animated film had wheel mold, which was created based on the works of lesya ukrainka , the famous work is now being shown in russian cinemas as part of this initiative of theirs , what is it called shadow rental? that

's what the muscovites called it, really, they just steal copyrights and just show everything that comes out abroad, including mavka's forest song also got into this list of interesting news. well, they probably duplicated it in russian, and then they make fun of it, as you know, well, denys kazansky joked, it's better for sure and you won't say what he says. property of the russian language in our country is free to show, but i realized in time that it is intellectual . this is not about russia and services. annexation of crimea and so on, hugh laurie, a well-known british actor, a star of chaos, for example, doctor house, if that is the case, he

also wrote an essay, then said that i would like to propose a boycott of all russian goods in connection with this aggressive action but suddenly remembered that in principle, russia does not produce any goods except weapons and vodka that can be exported. well, in fact, it is gas, oil, and today the world is normal there. we're moving on we're moving on in our matter today elected officials oksana savchuk and volodymyr vyatrovych welcome you gentlemen to our broadcast good day glory to ukraine to the heroes i don't even know how much there is to discuss starting from may 8, i.e. from the fact that it's already far er eight nine finally the verkhovna rada passed the necessary law and er this means that we are now celebrating may 8, it will be a public holiday i don't know if it is a public holiday

of the european union in all countries elephant how do you rate it this is an epoch-making decision. what will it do with buzhansky, who did not vote for this decision? well, in a word, vladimir , we will probably start with you, because it was your initiative, you cheered for it. principle in the long way of gradual renunciation of publicity, this way has lasted since the beginning of the 2000s, when it was initially a public initiative. the union of ukrainian youth was the first in the early 2000s to introduce may 8 as a day of remembrance and reconciliation then in 2014 it was done for the first time by the participation of state bodies of ukrainian culture of national memory my cult 2015 by the decree of president poroshenko actually this day has already become a public holiday first in march 2015 by a decree to the presidents and then the corresponding laws were passed as part of decommunization but that was already

in parallel with keeping may 9 , victory day for a month why, because even in 2018, 59 ukrainians considered may 9 an important holiday for themselves, the consultation began to change radically only after of a full-scale invasion and already last year there were 15 percent of them. well, actually. last year, my colleagues and i registered a bill that ultimately provided for the refusal to celebrate victory day together in russia on may 9. unfortunately, this did not happen last year, unfortunately. last year, it even happened. from the side of president zelensky to the ukrainians that we will not give it to our saint on may 9. well, it's good that it finally happened this year and that we finally put an end to the existence of one of the key myths, look of the key myths of russian ideology. i am sure that this is for us a step towards meeting our victories and i am sure that it is our victory day for young people. we are a step closer

to it, mrs. oksano. and for you, you know what a holiday is close to my heart. i remember it in 2008 with a big so big so walk and er, so that on the 9th there were not all these parades and celebrations and we were then chased by golden eagles, including there were clashes because we were forbidden to show our with great parades. i remember it very well and imagine. i am very glad that it was still in 2008, then in 2010, and finally we got there. the road was long, but it is good that we

at the state level at least started to change cycle of public holidays that clearly need changes, we understand what this is the first important thing that we did because on may 8 we will already celebrate with the whole world the day of reconciliation and victory over nazism, but we still have a number of such holidays that need to be entered into the state holiday calendar or change the existing dates let's be honest, we had heroes' day on may 23, and not everyone in the president's office understands that this is a very important strategic day for ukraine, it should be made a state one next. in our country, the change of the church calendar and the intercession is postponed to october 1 and there are different opinions here, i will tell you that i still believe that october 1, when the intercession is moved , and it is worth moving the day of commemoration

of defenders and defenders, to do it quickly during the war so that later we do not have a celebration again, as you know at christmas and go to december and then in january, so maybe at first now it looks like such a difficult decision, but then in the end it will be one single day that we will celebrate, it is also a very important day for us, so i definitely support and am convinced that this is the time, i will tell you even more when my the draft law on changing the dates of public holidays, that's all, the committee missed something , that is, create a working group to say that this is a very important issue and it should be studied in the future, that is , the social policy committee with a strategic you know the important things that need to be accepted, i remembered that before

the full-scale invasion, february 16 was just announced as the day of unity. a holy new-found holiday eh hmm, president zelenskyi took such an initiative when we have the day of cathedral unity , do we still need it, this unity is starting a holiday, it has no basis behind it, you know that despite what they said that this holiday was celebrated one year it was even indicated in the decree, that is, it referred only twice in the 22nd year , supposedly in connection with this institution, the situation regarding the war, and remind you that the day when the war did not start was celebrated . the approach of the very stupid constitution is like this again this year after all, there was some kind of inexplicable and completely pioneering celebration of this holiday, when colors were brought out into the streets , some forced collective photos were taken, therefore , unfortunately, we see that a lot of absolutely

in soviet traditions continue in our society and the most prestigious thing is that part of all traditions are initiated. well, you are the state leadership. by the way, i can't help but remind you that this is also the date of which mulya coins. events that would have taken place with the ukrainian flag on august 23, this decision is unknown. where did the then president get the kuchma, as far as i remember ? it is obvious that this was done with a very simple purpose. on august 23, in this europe, the day of remembrance of the victims of the black ribbon hammerfish pact is celebrated. this is the day when the victims of communism and nazism are remembered, so it is extremely important for us, together with the powers of the world , to determine this as well, and by the way, here we are now saying there are a lot of such initiatives to change

certain dates, to celebrate certain days, i would like to remind you that at one time , a conceptual framework law was developed to celebrate national memory, which provided for putting an end to all these holidays finally, put them in order. unfortunately, you do not care. unfortunately, this draft law never got to the parliament, so we are moving in the right direction, but here it is, fragmentary and gradually put forward. at that time , soviet holidays are over, but such as march 8, for example, as a day off, international women's day it is in this soviet format that it remains quite a word , there is still work to be done and and sometimes new ones are added to the old ones, and it is also necessary to do some work to organize the ukrainian calendar in order to explain to people the meaning because to give how and street names are important. i would also like to add that in addition to the fact that these laws are needed

and sometimes it is difficult to put them on the agenda , but there are also laws that have already been voted sometimes by a constitutional majority even of deputies in the hall over the last year during the year of the great war with russia and which it is not simply signed by the president, that is, there are already more than two dozen such laws, this is a violation in principle of the requirements of the constitution, one of such laws is, by the way, about the ban of printed russian products in ukraine, there may be a little mistake with the official name, i know that there was a collection of signatures, even to the fact that you reacted to this situation yesterday, the president's office, what to do with the ones gathered under this petition. that means that they have to consider it. well, i already have to answer to consider. there were 15 days to actually sign this law or impose a veto i got anitola. i don’t care how the deputies in principle feel about it. why are such laws important? oksano

, continue. i will say that we really have a lot of cases when the legislation is violated, and i am very sorry that the parliament calmly reacts to these things, in the end we we see that today the parliament does not fully fulfill the controlling functions assigned to it by the legislation, it should do more of ours, which i think in the opposition niche, there are not so many votes in terms of the number of votes, but still we are loud and we are heard. hmm, it is a shame that we in the end, we still don't, er, properly conduct the policy of ukrainization, such calm ukrainization, for that it is, first of all , to really ban everything russian-speaking, because language is also a weapon, and the ukrainian language is what

helps us in the future to form that the state for which we are fighting today, i will tell you even more, you really said this draft law and here my colleague and i together er-er always raised these questions. what is necessary er-er to give privileges to a ukrainian book publishing house, thereby, er, anything prohibiting russian-language literature, do you even know that there were such actions when people gave us waste paper russian books. i even personally bought an entire car for the russian-language books given to us by the armed forces of ukraine and we handed over, for example , we had a bill on the same issue that was not signed for a very long time and no one explained why and why they didn't sign because there were internal conflicts, you know, mainly when the draft laws are not signed, it comes from the other side, which earns from this and does everything possible to avoid signing in the office, delays this process, and unfortunately

it remains without an order and everything that is not punished about me about postponing the terms of signing it keeps repeating itself and that is why we have such problems with the law regarding russian literature in the ukrainian language and regarding the support of ukrainian-language publishers. this time is also longer. the law was held until the question arose that i am talking about opposition to other important draft laws, so it is important to talk about it here, if we do not talk about it , emphasize, shout, then it will remain unpunished, which is also about historical justice and actually about the fact that finally those people who brought the independence of ukraine closer, who fought for ukraine, they will receive a pension of uah 4,200 with further indexation . why is it important, because

there are still such people among the living, because many of them simply did not live to the moment when ukraine began to respect and thank for what they did in order for it to be independent, mr. volodymyr, everything about their place and role in history, we restored political justice by bending the laws that allowed them to become participants in the struggle for independence, but obviously long ago it was necessary to decide on issues that there will be novellas that are more socially fair to these people, these are people who often receive a pension of uah 1,600, that is, this is absolutely unacceptable for the ukrainian state . i was ashamed that when i met these people, you see the conditions in which people live of their age, unfortunately, they will be for a very long time, but if laws, even this draft law passed through the committee for more than six months, the first one eventually got to the remainder , unfortunately, a lot of people voted for it

. they did not live to see the adoption of this law. according to the law, stepan fetr, so that the insurgents i know flew away, the ukrainian insurgent army died, how many such people are left , it is very difficult to say if it is about the insurgency, then i think we are talking about units in general, but there are also other participants of the struggle for independence of the members of the dissident movement. i hope that at least these several hundred people who still live in ukraine lead them. they receive this social reward from the state, which is absolutely deserved. we have literally 4 minutes left. i will also ask you about what should come to replace what we we remove, conditionally speaking , this initiative of the new minister of forestry, oksana lisovoy , about the possibility of introducing patriotic education in schools, what do you think about it? i

know that this is not viewed very favorably in there, one might say, the left in liberal ukrainian circles believe that it will be that it will be a bad tracing of some soviet approaches, can such an approach as special lessons in patriotism be useful, or will it not be some kind of reflection of the russian state of some kind of oblivion, how is it right to do it, or do you see it literally in a minute, if possible , mr. volodymyr, mr. oksana , and oksana, let's start with you very briefly. life, so if we start this from school, it is very good because we will be able to form those people who will be able to teach this education , and secondly, we will be able to involve war veterans and who today can apply their skills by conducting this training. by the way, not only in schools but also in the first courses of higher educational institutions, so i am convinced that these

things need to be implemented where i personally like mr. volodymyr, your opinion goes, i think it is necessary but it seems to me that the most receptive here was the approach of support from the ukrainian state to such organizations, the union of ukrainian youth and other patriotic organizations, because it seems to me that they can do it more effectively and more interestingly , although i absolutely do not rule out the fact that the processes of the u-e in this topic had would be implemented in the education system, well, that is, it depends on how it will be organized. but it seems to me that here , after all, there should be more attention and more support from the state. this is a colossal experience. they know how to do it well and have a tradition where they get it from. it's very good that i remember that just like finland, estonia seems to have such non-governmental organizations that are built in a patriotic way. thank you very much.

people's deputies were with us today. oksana savchuk and volodymyr vyatrovych thank you for this conversation. that's it. we and lesya ukrainka will also arrive . we will say goodbye to our viewers at 7:10 . is happening in the country and actually next should be the news in which you will find out what has happened in the country in the last hour i can't get out of my head the fact that the russians will now watch the forest mavka mavka forest song mavka forest song well, they are somehow called no yes, well, mavka dot, forest song, that's what it's called, okay, okay, let it be of course, and maybe they can throw some more logs to lisa, it's nice that this mavka did, because

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