[000:00:00;00] americans, it’s nice, actually, i confirmed it here already once, i even mentioned it, there is such a character when i understand that almost no one knows scott ritter in the united states, he is some kind of former military man who participated in operations there somehow well, but not in combat actions but he was like that, he was a staff officer, he was engaged in officer inspections there. well, the word a-and then he got in. here he is in russia, he has a constant tour of presentations , his books are published there, he is quoted in all different publications there. he is the main american expert from america, who is always ready to say that without the ukrainian, they hold back from power every week, well, he has millionaires of gods , or is america a trepejschik in front of новый новые ракеты и россии well, and so on, and the like well, plus, he has a million different conspiracy theories there reptiloids rule biden well and so on. well, there are enough useful

idiots. it’s interesting. i just read his biography . it turned out that a man before he discovered russia as a new family, he was recently in america. he went home and said that he can't be at home because all the neighbors around him have raised those ry-ukrainian flags. i'm going to try to explain that people are nazis. and you raise their flags. they made him laugh, and it turns out not for nothing , because a person turns out that before he fell in love with russia, he sat for several years for uh -e corruption of minors he presented to the children in his town well, in short, a beautiful character but in russia he is now a good american, a good new russian so funny here is the story, but in general uh, that is, there is a big

support among the people of america, ukraine, ukraine, they recognize ukraine, they know themselves on the map, it’s not events and well, to be honest, before this war, probably a large proportion of the same americans would not have even found ukraine on the map , but this war is so black and white that there are no such grays there are some gaps, there is no reason to doubt that this is a just war on the part of ukraine and not a completely unjust war on the part of russia , which, in addition to all this, is also unfairly conducted like this with crimes against humanity with war crimes with all these things and and here, somehow, it is absolutely not difficult for a conscious person to choose who you are in this war , but to support, regardless of what the previous attitudes towards russia might have been, let's remember that at the beginning of the 90s there was a big such-and-such rise

, it was reliable that there russia would become democratic there was some kind of romanticism in this state. it was once the soviet union and it was as violent there as all of us were afraid of an atomic war during the cold war. and now we can go to russia and the russians are all like stinga. from the song so they also love their children, and there was such a somewhat naive elation . and now, there is nothing left of him at all . the attitude towards russians in america, towards the russian community, has somehow changed. well , i can’t say that. i don’t know, i don’t belong to those . some circles are russian to feel it, but as far as i know, how much. that's how i can judge the russian community, it is not a community, that is, there are russians somewhere there who live for themselves, but they mostly do it

very quietly, well, there are no protests there is there any kind of solidarity in support of russia for these good russians who could mobilize and somehow declare their position? i understand that for many this is a very difficult situation, because probably every person deserves to be proud of their country at least somehow at least in some aspect, and here putin has actually elected all russians, at least with some reasons, some reasons to be proud of russia, if indeed the person is conscious , has some common sense and does not listen to russian propaganda, but this is not enough it seems to me that it is not enough to just internally condemn this and to distance myself from today's government , it is a moral duty. it seems to me that every russian

should openly declare his position, especially after my life in the united states of america , having already american citizenship, i don't know what to fear from putin, not to mention that to be afraid. and the question of whether there is a personal position to be determined on this . at this moment, this is not enough, as it seems to me, uh, you mentioned that when it was about energodar. for example, the americans reacted very much to it. and this is so strange because among ukrainians it was probably not the number one thing that ukrainians feared the most , actually foreigners were even more worried. is flying and i specifically went to look for information about energodar about what is happening there in order to tell them because it

is definitely not what happened that bothered me in the first place, although it seems that he is also a journalist because he wants to know everything, but in ukrainian at that time they talked about something, about other things that bother them, about some shelling, about some children with lost limbs from the family, raped in mordovani , etc. as if they are not afraid of these threats of putin, they are no longer afraid of those red lines that putin talks about all the time. well, this is a red line , you have all already crossed it, because they say that he is just bluffing, in fact, but there is such a summary at the end that who knows him or how many more will putin block, or will he eventually not implement one of his threats, actually

? this is the courage of joseph biden and the american leadership, because it will hold out, because from that courage, we see that we will then receive more and more help , such more decisive help, now they are already saying what will the americans teach our pilots to control the f-6, they will gradually test these red lines, such as salami tactics . yes, they are pushing little by little so that there is not one such big, massive events in response to which she could have provoked some such well, absolutely inadequate on the part of russia, er, some kind of response , let's say, including a nuclear one, well, this is not a question that has completely disappeared, nuclear, everything, nuclear, atomic, it has its own magic, it

has its own special category of dangers and threats. is this the seizure of the largest nuclear power plant in europe ? yes , it is, well, this is not a joke. and from the nuclear power plant that are still there. they have to perform some such work. they are very responsible . all this is under occupation. this is unprecedented. that is, i am already dealing with the issues of atomic energy and nuclear weapons there with my hands, and everyone somehow grabbed their heads about the fact that we are such things, such options . they did not even calculate me , they predicted what this could be and how to respond to it today, but also how to build such security systems , international systems, international institutions that

could prevent the development of such events for the future, in relation to threats with nuclear weapons, in particular. well, this is what started the war, so everything went on under this cover, under this nuclear shield, with which russia was fenced off , accordingly, this is the political use of nuclear threats, at least in the beginning, it worked somewhat, so the biden administration said that under no circumstances will there be any direct intervention in the united states on the side of ukraine and nato countries because there is such an understanding since the cold war that direct confrontation even in the conventional dimension it can lead to an escalation to the nuclear to nuclear level , and therefore it is necessary to make all possible efforts to avoid even that, well, there is an american soldier shooting at a certain russian soldier

, this cannot even happen, because then it will be very difficult to control this escalation, how did they end? things war, we understand that it is already making some very serious shifts in politics, for example, not spreading adrenal weapons, uh, there kissinger says, and i am in principle inclined to believe that this makes sense, that the next couple of decades japan will most likely join the nuclear countries. there is no such possibility for this, but we also see that china is revising its policy regarding the nuclear arsenal, and if they still possessed several there were several hundred . it seems that there were warheads, they considered their 10, now they have decided to compete with the united states with nuclear arsenal in the coming decades, and this all shows that the world is becoming more dangerous

, or vice versa this is such a big paradox. that is, we can clearly see today that it fulfills this role of deterrence, but as we just mentioned, nato and the western countries will not intervene directly, so there will be support , military support, and so on, but in order to let's say that the country went to the un general assembly and raised the issue of article 51 on collective security, which, in principle , every country can do. the country is under such a serious threat. it can call on others to come to their aid. it does not do this because it knows that no one will actually join such a coalition and defend it in such a way. why because russia is a nuclear country. and on

the other hand, really, in addition to all that, considering our history, ukrainian history with disarmament in the early 90s with those security guarantees or security assurances who gave ukraine then nuclear powers and all this has now broken down and fallen apart. and of course this is a very, very bad picture for the regime of non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, that is , first of all, i would look at iran, now already restrain the rank from eh from its nuclear weapons ambition i think it will be very difficult if iran becomes a nuclear power, we need to closely monitor other countries of the arab world, the saudis, and so on. maybe even turkey, you mentioned japan. i also think of south korea. there, according to public opinion polls , there is huge support, in my opinion, up to 70%

the population supports the development of its own nuclear weapons there, why was the president of south korea in washington, the washington declaration was signed and there were some additional guarantors sure that there is some kind of underwater nuclear well, a nuclear submarine, well, with nuclear weapons, will enter the ports of south korea from time to time, and actually it is for these reasons , so that is, what putin did, he played this nuclear card, he drew the attention of those who want it, and who depends on it uh, whose security depends on the guarantee of the united states, now they want more, so bigger, for certain bigger, stronger guarantees, as well as those for whom the western world can somehow pose a threat and who see that, well, nuclear

weapons still work, so they it works if you keep the united states at a distance from the conflict, and what works for us while it is in its bunkers and the birds, if it is actually applied , it will be completely different, and i think that this is also understood in russia, and putin nevertheless continues to blackmail from time to time these nuclear weapons appear again and there, as they recently said a few months ago, and this is not a bluff yes yes yes, but we all understand that if this counteroffensive, which everyone talks about a lot, the next ukrainian offensives, if they will have success and russian troops will be pushed beyond the borders, then now many stories are happening on the territory of russia itself, just now , which is basically blurring all those red lines, they are already making them incomprehensible, it is probably possible that this is the informational and psychological meaning

of all this, but surely we have not yet experienced the greatest threats and the biggest blackmail is probably , and in the end, everything depends on putin himself , he is the commander-in-chief, he is a person who can, even there according to the military and russian doctrine, he is the only one who can to make a decision on the use of nuclear weapons, and we know what is going on in his head, are there any very , very dangerous things being done in general, does he have an understanding of what nuclear weapons actually are, so what could be the consequences, or does he have any internal brakes will work at the moment of this, we cannot know that, we know that he is not enough what is he and so if according to the constitution he is the only one who can accept besides all that he actually accepted and very little when people

around him accept such the most important the decision in general and in relation to this war and in relation to other aspects of russian foreign policy is so dangerous here, and this despite the fact that from time to time nuclear rhetoric descends, despite the fact that the west seems to be neatly washing away the red the lines are supposedly russian, but i think that we still need to keep a close eye on them. i think there are american special services and western special services . they have, uh, they are following this very closely, uh, maybe there will be some kind of warning for a few days, if suddenly something happens, but i don't

think that this topic has completely disappeared, uh, here are these thoughts of putin to place nuclear weapons in belarus, how far are they, or is it again mmm scarecrows is this still some kind of step towards implementation and he will implement it in the end and where will it fly, i.e. the button will he have or lukashenka will have the bomb eh both mmm no and the button and the bombs will be in the hands of the russians e-e russian forces e-e maybe carriers scandals are there, are there military planes? they may be serviced by belarusian military personnel, but russia will not entrust such weapons to anyone else . it was the same during the time of the soviet union, when soviet weapons were located in the countries of the warsaw pact, as if they were on the territory of allies

. but russia is very it very closely controlled these weapons and its allies had no influence whatsoever on the decision of the mm about the use of er. nuclear states are not directly prohibited from placing these weapons on the territory of allied states , but they are prohibited from transferring control of these weapons to anyone else. well, i do not think that russia will transfer control to belarus from a military point of view. there is absolutely no one. well, it does not do any. the difference does not matter in russia there is a warehouse there in belgorod that is literally a few kilometers from the ukrainian border, and a warehouse of tactical nuclear weapons is located there, the

same iskanders and, well, that is, military there is no expediency in this. it seems to me that this is such a political step, since the united states has very small tactical nuclear weapons. what contingent is there , the number is possible up to 200 units of e-e aerial bombs on the territory of nato allies somewhere in six locations, six places in europe and in turkey. it's just like this, if the united states can do this, and we can do that, too. and we have belarus. we will build warehouses there and bring these weapons there. well, realistically, if the flight range of the iskander is such as they are, somewhere there, 400 km, somewhere there, half 500. are they launched from the territory of belarus or from some border territories to ukraine with russian territory, and this is a warehouse. and it must be some kind of special warehouse, since it is being built

anyway. well, putin said that by july 1 they are building something there, maybe it is restoring old warehouses. the soviets may be building something completely new, because it is not known in what condition these soviet warehouses ended up after years of not using them , but it is possible that they will finish this warehouse and perhaps bring some tactical nuclear weapons, well, obviously, either for the iskanders or for su, in my opinion, either 25 or 24 or 25 bombings, as bitology here is not a science and historians do not like it, but ordinary citizens really like it. and what was recorded by the survey of the sociological campaign rating plus at the end of november last year here, about six months ago, more than half of 53% of ukrainians believe that ukraine should restore its nuclear status. what is your opinion on this matter? well, in

terms of technology, of course , there is the potential of ukraine, of course, and physics and the engineers that are needed there. well, of course. all this must be mobilized. it is not so easy. it is necessary to invest money. the question here is not so much the technical ability of the ukrainians to do it, but all the political aspects and consequences that you are planning from all this, and obviously, since ukraine is on now mm is very dependent on the support of partners , including in terms of the supply of weapons there. i think it would be an extremely risky step to start any movements in the direction of er, it would weaken the support when finalizing russia would strike at such objects, and that would be the line between good and evil, then it would be a little bit. well

, we are there, i guess, on the side of light and good, yes , and russia. on the contrary, it would then be more blurred . i think it would be extremely results journalists yesterday or the day before the day before yesterday, the coast was mooted, it was a walk, is this a swedish walk, or what is the name of such a sportlife with sticks, er, kravchuk, the majority of the parliament at that time is communist, that they are responsible for the fact that they, as they accuse them, gave away nuclear weapons by signing very weak guarantees, well, this this version of the event is quite simplified. in fact, there were options in ukraine, but the one that was chosen was far from the worst, and perhaps even the only more or less good option. it is hard for us to hear this now, because

of course, it creates the impression that if it was still in ukraine has nuclear weapons, all this would not have happened, there would not have been a full-scale invasion if this deterrence works there for the states, for france and for others. so why would it not work for ukraine, but in order to transform at that time and this nuclear legacy which we received from another country, so from the soviet union and which was developed for the strategic needs of this country of the soviet union to deter the west , that is, it had to be worked on, it had to be reworked for ukrainian strategic needs and, including, fixed. e nuclear program, which ukraine did not have, in particular , rockets and so on, rockets were just rockets , our rocket industry was at a very good level, it was actually the production

of the warheads themselves and the nuclear fuel for them, we have own plowing in zhovtyh vody, its initial processing into this yellow cat, but there were no further links to the full cycle of nuclear fuel. it was necessary to build uranium enrichment there, convert it there into fuel, there development and production of the warhead itself , all this was in russia. that is, it is necessary ukraine was being completed in the early 90s . well, there are many of us, who still remembers these numbers in the 22nd year, where some still thought that it would not happen and there would be barbecues. well, that's how we remember well, well, purely economically, it would it was very, very difficult to justify why some funds from the budget were allocated for the nuclear program and not for the payment of pensions to the grandmothers who were outside the limit of the limit this year

. thank you very much for the conversation. mariana budzherin would be with us. sasha is investigating the atomic control project we are visiting the belfer center, thank you for the conversation. thank you to our viewers for being with us. andriy saichuk and lesya vakulyuk worked in this studio for you tomorrow . we will be back at 7:10. espresso continues . stay with us. it will be interesting. it will be difficult to get up and climb the stairs. on the stairs, old injuries and sprains constantly remind you of yourself with sharp pain . you need help. the knee brace moves easily, a reliable assistant for the joints . in three-dimensional fixation of the knee joint and reliable support of the muscular skeleton see how easy it is to use

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