[000:00:00;00] uh, people who are able to set before themselves real military goals and achieve them. and there is one more nuance that often remains outside the sphere of uh, attention, well, there is a well-known meme that it is necessary to bomb voronezh, it’s true, but so far, ours has already arrived, but somehow to bomb shabekino the rashists themselves, somehow it doesn’t work out very well, it doesn’t work out very well . because it doesn’t work out very well. they will then strike on their own territory, and this, as i understand it, is a moment that has a significant psychological impact. the years of the second world war and nothing, no one died, they destroyed who died, but in the soviet leadership, stalin did not die like that

, i am alive, it was a completely different situation, and uh , putin, despite all his shortcomings , did not sign anything with hitler, who exactly was stalin and molotov signed and patrushev did not sign , therefore, accordingly, they currently have such, it seems to me, psychological super , they cannot strike on their own russian territory, what they call old russia, well, that is, they are not attached to any territories, and theirs, which they consider to be completely, completely, they think so, yes, for sure, let's move on. vitaliy wanted to ask something, please, of this political community. here is the big summit in kishenev of 48 leaders. by the way, such a meeting at the european level is unprecedented. one meeting there of the leaders of the european union and candidates or not of the european union

and georgia, armenia, azerbaijan, norway, iceland, liechtenstein . that is, it is really so. it just shows that europe has some common idea about although about the discussion, but to what extent, it will not work. so that it will then be transformed into such and such a waiting room for us and for the young, here you are already in the european community of political we invite but we do not allow but we do not give the mandate and yes, we will talk until you fulfill all the conditions and so on for 10 years well, i will start with the politically incorrect just kidding, first of all, it is strange that representatives of belarus did not come to the village called bulboak, neither lukashenko, nor tykhanovskaya, and that. well, by the way, this is telling . only, there were no russians, belarusians there, uh , everyone was there except for them, that is, they are uh, politically, they are not members of the european community

our moldovan neighbors are a little underestimating us here, who are blaspheming, and this is not the first time they are not. the minister of foreign affairs of european integration stated that they see themselves in the eu somewhere until 2030 . we will be in brussels, accordingly, banquets and a banquet in this honor, well, the president already said the wrong thing in kishenev , well, the president said the wrong thing, the prime minister spoke differently a couple of months ago, of course, which, by the way, i positively assess the fact that volodymyr zelenskyi is going there he came because he was able to communicate with various leaders there anyway, and the fact that he signed with klaus johannes or spoke with other politicians , i think it is still useful for him and for us . i hope it is useful he is of course aimed at obtaining new

new weapons, that's why a coalition of patriots appeared, although it seems to me that it is no less difficult to form than a coalition of fighter jets, but i still called the european political community with the old world's attempt to react to those changes which the russian-ukrainian war is carrying out, because it will bring about changes in international relations, and accordingly the leading european players have created such a format well, which was initiated by macron, so that when the war ends, they could somehow talk plus-minus with a united front in this format, maybe this will not happen it is extremely difficult to remember in advance, especially since the elections to the european parliament await us and it seems to me that they will not be as simple

as many people think, but europe simply wants to be a center of influence and to receive one's own compensations for the fact that it, er, has actually become european , the continent has become, among other things, the arena of the largest war in the 21st century, this is also a serious challenge for europeans, for european political leaders. i think that we should be alarmed by the statement where is the president of lithuania about the fact that ukraine should receive compensation for not becoming a real candidate for nato membership? that is, we have. i think we should say frankly to ourselves that a large part of the current european euro-atlantic establishment is not ready to support ukraine's accession to nato and the european union, they continue

to help us, but they do not see us inside these clubs, the most prestigious in the world today, mr. yevgeny, and here it is a trick when we say the europeans should provide ukraine with reliable security opportunities before ukraine joins nato, and i'm trying to understand what this is, i can't translate it into a language that i understand that is, what does this mean that if not in nato , but there are such reliable guarantees that would warn russia against an attack, and here i am, but without nato, this is how it is, how it is translated, this is diplomatic equilibrism. because the ukrainian army is actually the strongest in europe today, that is, they well, it is unlikely that they will give us a guarantee that they will receive our army

because it will be a matter of sovereignty and they. i would say that many european leaders after the end of the war with russia will be interested in ukraine getting its army as soon as possible reduced, carried out demobilization, you know. there was no temptation for some neighbors there to recall their unconstructive position. by the way, i understand that the attempts to implement and actions they will play against ukraine because, uh, europe is already worried about the course of the russian-ukrainian war in order to tolerate its spread and russia understands this very well, and that's why we see how it's happening with georgia, that's why we see lukashenka's rebuke to the kremlin, and it's all taking quite serious forms. i think that the kremlin can

respond to the summit of the european political community, the activation of the process of internationalization of the russian-ukrainian war at the expense of its actions, primarily in the post-soviet space. well, of course, ok , then we will move on to the post-soviet space. this is mr. zelensky's enigmatic phrase that the actions of the armed forces of ukraine in transnistria are possible only with kishenev's consent. to resolve the situation in eastern moldova, which is called transnistria, what to do there, in fact , the president preached five plus two , and he is no longer there, then it is simply the impression that only the military remains the military invasion of ukraine and the transfer of the keys to transnistria, then to the official pocket and that's it . well, the hunter of international law contradicts everything that can be, not only this, not only contradicts international law, it contradicts the political interests of sandu, because i can't imagine

a woman president which, well, in such and such a scenario, should call foreign troops to its territory, won the next presidential election, given the current mood of the moldavia, there is no militancy similar to the ukrainian one. well, i would say rational militancy and the joining of several hundreds of thousands of residents of the unrecognized transnistria are not the voters of sandu, we understand that, well , in general, and it is not a fact that they will use their different passports in order to get away from there right away , forgive me for my word, it is far from a fact. i think that here there is one more interesting point. you must have noticed that yesterday the russians launched a fake about the fact that sandu said that she was ready to invite ukraine. here there is a point called sausage. and sausage is

about 20,000 tons of ammunition. i am far from thinking that they have been kept in such perfect condition for more than 30 years, that they can be used at once to inflict fire damage on russian troops on any part of the russian-ukrainian front , there will soon be many other problems. therefore, this is a place that ukraine will have to freeze in any in any case, to refrain from such temptations to play with muscles, that is, it is not only ukraine. well, if ukraine does not take any active military participation, it means that it will freeze for another year at 10:20 a.m. at the very least, it will be a gray area on the border with ukraine without a powerful russian force. because as i understand it, there are 2-3 thousand soldiers of some kind and the ukrainians have learned to fight like that. what 2-3 thousand well, they do not play any role there

under the there is a contingent of under 10,000, but these are mostly local residents, that is, they really have a set of passports that are diverse for all occasions, so it is really not necessary to talk about any serious hostilities there. come out of the strategic defeat of russia yak will cause a crisis in the self-proclaimed transnistria, and then we can say that the stripping of the ukrainian citizenship of the leaders there can be suspended, because many of them have ukrainian passports. because it turns out that for some the tool of depriving citizenship works for others, for some reason it does not work. why does it not work for those who are called, er, vip precisely the declared transnistria i don't know, maybe someone is just shy and how did you assess the words

of the british defense minister about the need to be realistic we were just starting our conversation today's ukraine is not will join nato in the near future it is possible to translate into normal language the phrase in the near future it is the next two years five years or 10 years this is before the washington summit , at least the washington summit. today's moment, the united states will play uh, well, that's such a role and run away with us uh, in principle, to play this game, i think that no

, that's why it's difficult to imagine a similar situation , to be honest, because yes, the 24th year will be exactly nato and there will also be the logic of the presidential elections in the united states, and this well, again, the factor of the presidential campaign will play, as it often happens in our country, and the president already said today that we will not be members of nato as long as the war continues, in fact he repeated what everyone is saying western leaders, but ukrainian leaders have not spoken like that until now, what caused this , said the crystallization of the position. i think that this is a general mass of conversations and expressions, because the president must be given credit for constantly communicating with various representatives members of the north atlantic alliance, and if white is always said to be white, then the bank will see that it is white

, see if it is not the color of the ukrainian capitulation. after the war, you know, after, maybe 10 years after the war, maybe a year after the war, maybe at the same moment after the war, and somehow, if we say that victory is the exit to the borders of the year 91, well, we left on the second day, it already says too much come in. maybe in 10 years, and everything is possible. that is, i can't understand what it is after the war, this is how i will try to explain why this cannot happen during the war, because there is the fifth article of the washington treaty, which stipulates that nato member countries can count on collective protection. ukraine has already said that it will not initiate the application of this article. as for itself

, but then nato appears in the role of a geopolitical invalid, you understand, so it turns out that for some it can apply this article and for others it cannot and this blow is primarily a reshuffle of the alliance. but i think that after the end of the russian-ukrainian war, since the composition of nato and the european union are 85.90 percent the same, then the restoration of ukraine and the economic restoration will come to the fore, here we will see competition from the european union from the side of the united states, perhaps china will want to say something specific if it has the opportunity to do so, and it will also be more important. the president told chisinau that he wants to talk to russia from a position of strength with position of strength of course we can talk about the fact that we are joining nato, but if

the victory does not happen from a position of strength , but from a position of desire to end the war , is it possible that the idea of ​​ukrainian neutrality will again become the theme of these victories? i think that a significant number of ani our fellow citizens, nor the political leadership of the country, will not go for it, it is now in the procrustean vine of its own patriotism, it will have to move in this direction, keep listening, but you said that talks about the european union may come to the fore, but to the european union, there are countries that we may even talk about today, and tomorrow the day after tomorrow, we will definitely talk about those who have been waiting for tens of years to join the european union and nothing comes out, then well, for me, i translate it as if some

high-ranking european officials come out, they say first the eu, then nato it means that they don't want security guarantees for ukraine anymore, i can't translate it anymore, i was once in montenegro , it was not a member of the european union then , but it was already a member of nato, and i saw that i will not spread here what is nato for prevention of the influence of russia and serbia was done in montenegro already then for the first time literally a month after montenegro became a member of nato and it obviously helps stabilization in the western balkans, it helps, but there now i think that there may be new challenges with the new president, maybe not are so obvious because, after all, the western balkans remain the soft underbelly of europe with a significant russian influence, you know, if

we speak frankly, then now we should say, uh, how it will all depend on the format of the end of the russian-ukrainian war without it, without it of the process of its completion, in general, our assumptions, our considerations, they do not give the proper effect, because it is clear that we are all absolutely determined that ukraine will win this war for its independence, but will our further movements be effective in the future, or will our internal transformations be effective? what is the problem because i am afraid that we are running out of time in order not to carry out these transformations, we should do it in parallel and fight to knock on the doors of nato and change everything inside the countries because

it is difficult to imagine that in a nato country the former the head of the internal security of the special service left the country before the russian invasion, it’s true. yes, in such conditions there are a lot of demands. thank you, the executive director of the institute of world politics was with us, and now we are in the baltics. and 19 22 twice the minister of defense the director of the analytical center the northern european political center will be with us we will switch to how i understand the russian language hello hello hello vot мы толко что колобый the latvian diet has just called to invite ukraine to nato, and how far is the position of the baltic countries considered in principle, the effective position of poland in relation to the intentions of other countries in the black alliance , it is very important that such states as

lastovia and poland and lithuania and steel are now the most guilty before nato, which brought out which will be er in the middle of july er lays down this position on the account of inviting ukraine to nato because er in principle before such er meetings of ministers or exactly there calculates positions and too, mmm unfortunately, compromises yes, because politics is also the art of compromise, and we know that there will be uh, mmm, too, some states that will be on the very body in front of us there and even now already in these negotiations with us inside and in nato, it is more cold acceptance of ukraine in nato, and this means that in order to obtain a positive balance for ukraine, we must

be more active now, and it means that our diplomacy has now included our , our, our experts have included to eat position a little let's say a promoter in the direction of ukraine eh if you look realistically yes then what if you ask my opinion? i think that now , in principle, the discussion is about eh. here is the president of france

macron apologized to the leaders of the baltic states of central europe for the fact that such countries as france did not pay attention to their reminders about the threat posed by russia . this country has been left out, maybe they will shut up if it is at all clear how satisfied you are with such changes and apologies , you know and i was still a politician he said so, but it is important, on the one hand, that people say, of course, sometimes they admit their mistakes, but it is important that what will be done later and what these state politicians are doing, and i think that ours will say yes, well, probably in russian. i don’t know how

it is correct to say that it is a struggle, or ours, how we try to show our opinion there. i don't think that it will be very easy for us in the future, because it helps us here, and in principle, the same thing helps you in ukraine. i still hope that uh, i will also be able to move forward with sweden, and this will strengthen this uh, the northern euro and the polish position, and of course also the position of great britain, because we are very wrong. eh, how does an angel look? but we talked about it today, but not with you, that's when european leaders are talking . well, maybe nato won't work very quickly in ukraine

. it is not clear what this means, this is how it can be translated into a language that will be understood, this is what britain said , it should say. well, if they go to ukraine, we will drop a nuclear bomb on those who offend ukraine. from my life , my personal life , and my personal history. the only guarantee for ukraine, this is the introduction of nato. you already had the budapest memoranda and so on . and we also know what guarantees were in poland in 1939.

how did we deal with the baltic states in 1939-1940? that is, i think we should be realistic and guarantees are the best guarantee - this is the fifth paragraph of nato and then we will talk. that is, i think that uh, how uh, one of those famous uh, uh, american uh, um, uh, grandpa talks against terrorists and so on, and he said uh- eh kak eto i don't know the word in russian but uh he is we don't have to but let's say it divides in half in russian it is possible to say so we won't divide it in half a million yes that is, i think that without nato there will be no 100% guarantees well , now there is another strange question what about

corruption in latvia because fukuyama how we know now, now it's wrong, he says well, we somehow thought about ukraine too much, we thought about the fact that there is too much corruption, and this is wrong, and i myself do not know the place of corruption, where it is located. гитарастепенное because there are corrupt countries where gdp growth is quite fast, well, in africa today, yes, they will grow, people are satisfied, there is corruption, and well, i don’t know, satisfied yes, but you understand everything well, and i ’m sitting thinking. well, how about the baltic countries, there is a little bit of corruption well, a little bit related to the economy, or after all, the fight against corruption is a serious thing , you know, but now they will answer as a political scientist , of course, corruption is a serious thing,

and of course, political and economic financing of any corruption and it can divide it, it prevents the state, society, and the development of a person, we can start this by considering machiavel and so on, but i have to say that here there is such an anthropological moment at the expense of latvia, for example, the first baltic state and there is uh, too, uh factual material, if we are talking about anthropology, then you know. we are latvians here, we are used to the principles of looking around, then we see denmark, sweden , we say yes. i think that maybe not everyone will agree here in riga with me. i would like to say that uh, mi band , i know that corruption exists. i don't think that there is more corruption in latvia. let's say that

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